Advent

[GSJ1967]

Quick question..is Advent celebrated by all Christian churches or just Lutheran?

[synger]

It's celebrated in Presbyterian churches. It's the beginning of the church year, and the liturgical colors and banners change. While Presbyterians are not AS liturgical as Lutherans, there is still a specific order to the worship service, and they follow the church year.

I believe other liturgical traditions also observe Advent, like Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglican/Episcopalian.

If you google "Baptist, advent (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=baptist+advent&btnG=Google+Search)" you get some hits that suggest that at least some of their churches celebrate Advent.

The home page of the United Methodist church (http://www.umc.org/) shows links to "Advent Worship LItanies" and "Christmas and Advent Music and Lyrics"


A search from the Assemblies of God (http://search.ag.org/search?q=advent&btnG=Search&site=default_collection&client=AG_frontend&proxystylesheet=AG_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd) home page shows a few advent articles and suggestions, but they seem designed more to give you a new option rather than giving you tools for an already-established tradition.

For grins, I did a search from the UU (http://www.uua.org/searchoursite.shtml?cx=016296414813540480069%3A2ojoudvbsli&cof=FORID%3A11&q=advent&go.x=0&go.y=0&go=go#998)home page... no hits of any real significance. No surprise there.

So, I'd say that yes, most traditional churches have some sort of Advent celebration... and that those who have gone away from the liturgical year probably don't do it regularly.

[DaRev]

The RCC and EO do observe Advent, but with different emphases. The Lutheran Church generally observes the season of Advent as a preparation for the coming of Christ, primarily His return on the Last Day. It is a season of hope and anticipation.
The RCC tend to focus more on repentance during the season, similar to Lent.
In the EO, the season is known as the Nativity Fast and runs 40 days (similar to Lent) from November 15 to Christmas Eve.

[vle045]

The RCC and EO do observe Advent, but with different emphases. The Lutheran Church generally observes the season of Advent as a preparation for the coming of Christ, primarily His return on the Last Day. It is a season of hope and anticipation.
The RCC tend to focus more on repentance during the season, similar to Lent.
In the EO, the season is known as the Nativity Fast and runs 40 days (similar to Lent) from November 15 to Christmas Eve.

I am in RCIA right now (learning about the Catholic Church for the sake of my hubby who is Catholic) and they actually teach that Advent is a preparation for the coming of Christ. I haven't heard anything about "Repentance".

[DaRev]

I am in RCIA right now (learning about the Catholic Church for the sake of my hubby who is Catholic) and they actually teach that Advent is a preparation for the coming of Christ. I haven't heard anything about "Repentance".

In the RCC the season of Advent tends to take on a more solemn tone. Their liturgical colors are usually purple, which is the color that represents penitence. In the Lutheran Church the liturgical color for Advent is usually blue, which is a color of anticipation and hope.

[GSJ1967]

How long is Advent? I thought I read something about it going until Jan. 6th...

How is Advent celebrated in your home?

[filosofer]

What's fascinating about this is that the traditional color for Advent has been purple, especially within the Lutheran Churches as well as RCC. The RCC was the first to move to blue about 30-40 years ago, which has slowly crept into the Lutheran circles.

So, historically for Lutherans, Advent focused on repentance and hope and joy, but purple was the color of Advent. (I was in my 30's before I ever saw liturgical paraments/styles that were blue)

[DaSeminarian]

In the RCC the season of Advent tends to take on a more solemn tone. Their liturgical colors are usually purple, which is the color that represents penitence. In the Lutheran Church the liturgical color for Advent is usually blue, which is a color of anticipation and hope.


Actually I have seen either blue or purple in the Lutheran church. I like the idea of blue better because the purple seems to be a carryover from the last weeks of the church year which is the last days and judgement.


How long is Advent? I thought I read something about it going until Jan. 6th...

How is Advent celebrated in your home?
Advent goes until the Sunday right before Christmas. If Christmas day falls on a Sunday, the last Sunday of Advent would be Dec. 18. Christmas usually lasts 12 days (Dec 25-Jan 6) Epiphany is from Jan 6 through Ash Wednesday.

[GSJ1967]

So Advent is celebrated more in conservative denominations rather than, say evangelical?

[DaRev]

What's fascinating about this is that the traditional color for Advent has been purple, especially within the Lutheran Churches as well as RCC. The RCC was the first to move to blue about 30-40 years ago, which has slowly crept into the Lutheran circles.

So, historically for Lutherans, Advent focused on repentance and hope and joy, but purple was the color of Advent. (I was in my 30's before I ever saw liturgical paraments/styles that were blue)



It must vary by location. I was RC for the first 30 years of my life and I never saw blue used during Advent until I joined the Lutheran Church. I do know that the use of blue in the Lutheran Church is a relatively recent practice.

[DaRev]

How long is Advent? I thought I read something about it going until Jan. 6th...

How is Advent celebrated in your home?

Advent is the first season of the Church year and begins on the Sunday closest to the Feast of St. Andrew which is November 30th. It technically runs through December 23. There are four Sunday's in Advent.

[DaSeminarian]

So Advent is celebrated more in conservative denominations rather than, say evangelical?


The Evangelical community does not observe the Church calendar as closely as the more Orthodox denominations. They will observe Christmas and Easter, but for the most part do not emphasize Advent or Lent.

[filosofer]

Originally Posted by GSJ1967 http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41584247#post41584247)
So Advent is celebrated more in conservative denominations rather than, say evangelical?

The distinction is between liturgical and evangelical, not conservative and liveral.

[vle045]

What's fascinating about this is that the traditional color for Advent has been purple, especially within the Lutheran Churches as well as RCC. The RCC was the first to move to blue about 30-40 years ago, which has slowly crept into the Lutheran circles.

So, historically for Lutherans, Advent focused on repentance and hope and joy, but purple was the color of Advent. (I was in my 30's before I ever saw liturgical paraments/styles that were blue)


I have no other experience with Advent until this year... so it is all new to me... But the RCC here uses purple for the first three weeks then pink for the 4th week.

I have never heard of any meaning being attached to the colors.... but I really haven't heard much about it at all... just learned of the term Advent this year.

[DaRev]

They use pink for the 4th week? Usually pink is for Gaudette Sunday which is the third week.

[GSJ1967]

maybe I can find this info on the lcms website..but when do you light them? daily? weekly? all at once?

[DaRev]

If you are referring to the Advent candles, one is lit each week. One on the first Sunday, two on the second, three on the third (which includes the pink one if used) and all four on the fourth week.

[LutheranChick]

It must vary by location. I was RC for the first 30 years of my life and I never saw blue used during Advent until I joined the Lutheran Church. I do know that the use of blue in the Lutheran Church is a relatively recent practice.

We still use purple at our church. I haven't been to any Advent services in any other ELS churches, so I don't know if anyone uses blue or not. I am sure it is up to the individual church, but we are so VERY traditional I would assume that more use purple. Because of course the word "change" is not in our vocabulary!

[Mary of Bethany]

The RCC and EO do observe Advent, but with different emphases. The Lutheran Church generally observes the season of Advent as a preparation for the coming of Christ, primarily His return on the Last Day. It is a season of hope and anticipation.
The RCC tend to focus more on repentance during the season, similar to Lent.
In the EO, the season is known as the Nativity Fast and runs 40 days (similar to Lent) from November 15 to Christmas Eve.

This is true. The Nativity Fast is very much like the Lenten Fast, in that it has a focus on repentance and preparation for the Incarnation of Christ. It is a little "lighter" in tone, though. For instance, there are quite a few days that fish is allowed, which is not true in Lent. But it's not a time for parties and celebrations, either, which rather makes it hard in this society. For us, Christmas season begins on December 25th and lasts until Theophany (January 6th); whereas it seems like for most people (not talking about Lutherans or others who observe Advent) Christmas is over on the 25th!

I started observing a little bit for Advent even when I was a Baptist. I thought it was a great idea. And then when I became an Anglican, I was able to observe it more fully, like y'all do. :thumbsup:

FYI, the Anglican emphasis is also on Christ's Incarnation and His Second Coming.

Mary

[synger]

At home, we have an advent calendar, and a wreath. We didn't get it out this year, but when we've used the wreath in the past we've lit the candle(s) for the week after dinner and done family devotions. Since we don't usually sit down for dinner as a family but a couple times a week, that was when we did it.

The advent calendar (http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=4146&event=1022SPF%7C141216%7C86946#CURR)is similar, in that Gem gets to put the new animal/person for the day into the nativity scene, and we read a story from the Bible. I try to coincide it with the stories she's learning in Sunday school, so for instance last week it was about Elizabeth and John the Baptizer.

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I understand that in the RCC, only the Eastern Rite uses blue for advent, and all the rest should use purple, (rose for the third Sunday).

In my City we have two LCC Congregations, mine uses purple and our wreath has three purple, and one rose candles with the Christ candle in the centre. St. Peter's use blue paraments. All four of their Advent candles are blue, and the Christ candle stands alone, beside the Font, not in the centre of the wreath.

Mark

[DaRev]

I understand that in the RCC, only the Eastern Rite uses blue for advent, and all the rest should use purple, (rose for the third Sunday).

In my City we have two LCC Congregations, mine uses purple and our wreath has three purple, and one rose candles with the Christ candle in the centre. St. Peter's use blue paraments. All four of their Advent candles are blue, and the Christ candle stands alone, beside the Font, not in the centre of the wreath.

Mark

Our Advent wreath in church has three blue candles and one pink/rose. We have a "Christ candle" in the center, which we light on Christmas eve after the four Advent candles are extinguished during the service.

[vle045]

I understand that in the RCC, only the Eastern Rite uses blue for advent, and all the rest should use purple, (rose for the third Sunday).

In my City we have two LCC Congregations, mine uses purple and our wreath has three purple, and one rose candles with the Christ candle in the centre. St. Peter's use blue paraments. All four of their Advent candles are blue, and the Christ candle stands alone, beside the Font, not in the centre of the wreath.

Mark
Ya know, I THOUGHT that they said the pink one was last... but this is all new to me, so I'll have to pay attention when we go this week...

[DaRev]

This Sunday the pink/rose candle should be lit.

The color pink/rose represents Joy. The name for the third Sunday in Advent is Gaudete Sunday, which comes from the Latin word for "rejoice." It is sometimes referred to as the Shepherd's candle, which signifies the joy that the shepherds experienced when it was announced to them that Christ was born.

[Tetzel]

In the RCC the season of Advent tends to take on a more solemn tone. Their liturgical colors are usually purple, which is the color that represents penitence. In the Lutheran Church the liturgical color for Advent is usually blue, which is a color of anticipation and hope.
I'd point out that the new hymnal seems to make Advent into a more lent-like time. I don't remember the "Glory to god in the highest" canticle being omitted for both Advent and Lent before the new LSB came out, just Lent.

[Tofferer]

All four of our advent candles are purple with the white candle in the center. Really looks nice. I don't know which I love more, advent or lent.

[filosofer]

I'd point out that the new hymnal seems to make Advent into a more lent-like time. I don't remember the "Glory to god in the highest" canticle being omitted for both Advent and Lent before the new LSB came out, just Lent.

I have been Lutheran , ... well, for many decades. And "Glory to God in the highest" has been omitted during Advent as well as Lent. The primary difference is that the Hallelujah/Alleluia was also omitted during Lent.

But technically the Sundays prior to Easter are not part of Lent and so are named "Sundays in Lent", rather than "Sundays of Lent" ... but I digress.

[DaRev]

I'd point out that the new hymnal seems to make Advent into a more lent-like time. I don't remember the "Glory to god in the highest" canticle being omitted for both Advent and Lent before the new LSB came out, just Lent.


I have been Lutheran , ... well, for many decades. And "Glory to God in the highest" has been omitted during Advent as well as Lent. The primary difference is that the Hallelujah/Alleluia was also omitted during Lent.

But technically the Sundays prior to Easter are not part of Lent and so are named "Sundays in Lent", rather than "Sundays of Lent" ... but I digress.



This is something that I've run into since we switched to the new hymnal.

In Lutheran Worship, the "Hymn of Praise" was only omitted during Advent in Divine Service I, according to rubric 5 (LW p. 137). DSII did not require the omission of the HoP. Such omission was optional for Advent. In the LSB, the rubrics for DS 1-4 all say to omit the HoP for both Advent nd Lent.

I am not accustomed to omitting the HoP for Advent, but have been reminded of the rubric saying so by members here the last two years. It's just something that I'm not yet used to.