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IisJustMe
10th December 2007, 03:01 AM
Its 10.30 p.m. Sunday December 9, and I just got back from New Life Church in Colorado Springs where the pastoral care staff invited me among several other counselors, therapists and psychologists to help the witnesses to this afternoon's tragic shootings. It was necessary to keep about 100 people at the church until they could all be interviewed by the various police agencies, and because it wasn't known until well after sundown that the building was actually secured and safe, it took time to get to all of them. Naturally, they were frightened, and in need of help.

I can only describe those who I spoke with this evening as very much in the same state of mind as a rookie soldier returning from his first combat experience. Fearful, filled with doubt, remorse, and memories of horrible things people outside of a war zone should never have to experience. My purpose in writing this is, first, to ask you to pray for these folks. They were forced to view something they never wanted to experience, and now the events of 1.10 p.m. today are indelibly burned into their memories. They will need counseling and spiritual guidance for years to come.

The second half of my purpose is to tell you that no one can know why this tragedy, and the one in Arvada 12 hours earlier, happened. There was no warning in either case, though the gunman at the Youth with a Mission dormitory talked for nearly a half hour before pulling his weapon and snuffing out two beautiful lives and seriously wounding two other people. At New Life, the gunman started walking toward the church after the noon service let out, and shot five people, killing two, before a brave security guard confronted the man and killed him herself. Only God knows why these events happened, though I'm sure in the next few hours and days the media will be happy to regale us with the intimate half-truths of the "facts" as they discover them.

God is in control. When I arrived at the New Life campus late this afternoon and looked around, I was struck by the numbness in the air. Veteran police officers, fire fighters, EMT's and even FBI and ATF agents were wearing looks of mixed somberness and intensity. Ever vigilent, they were nonetheless affected by the ground upon which they stood that this tragedy was acted out upon.

This is a church! This shouldn't happen here, especially not in the "ministry capital of America," Colorado Springs! There are over 400 Christian ministries located here, not the least of which is Focus on the Family, just a few miles down I-25 from the shooting scene. How can this happen in a church?

I ask you, how can it not happen in a church? Are we specially endowed with protection from the evil of the world? Are we exempt from having lunacy and violence visited upon us? Are we to believe that nothing like this can happen in a church? The answer is no, none of these things. To be certain, the dead, having made a true confession acceptable to God for their salvation, now rest in the arms of the Lord Jesus. Their wounds are healed, their faces wiped clean, the trials and unfairness of this world but a distant memory. But what of the rest of us?

I looked into the face of fear tonight. People who never should have had to endure what they saw, heard and felt were forced to see, hear and feel these unspeakable things. They don't understand. They wonder if it can happen again. They fear that, if it does, the next victim might be themselves.

Colorado has seen a plethora of this kind of tragedy over the years. Jack Gilbert Graham blew up an aircraft taking off from Denver's Stapleton Airport in 1955, killing 44. Columbine in 1999, 15 dead including the perpetrators. Now Youth with a Mission, and New Life Church, two dead at each. But ... a church? Yes, a church, and a missionary training center. We are not exempt, but we do not need to fear. We need not give in to the ways of the world and quake in our boots at every loud noise, or wring our hands and cluck our tongues while reciting the mantra,"The end times are here."

Yes, of course they are! But these events are no more a sign of them than "wars and rumors of wars" have been for thousands of years. Remember, God is in control. There will be a media frenzy over these killings for a few days, until the next big sensational story comes along, and then it will just be "Youth with a Mission" or "New Life Church" just as it is "Columbine" or "Oklahoma City."

Don't lose sight of who you are in Christ. Don't lose sight of the work He has given us to do until He returns to call His church home. Don't lose sight of the need we have to remain focused in Him, confident that even if we step in front of a bus or we are met at our church door by a homicidal maniac ...

... we are not citizens of this world, but citizens of heaven, and our death to this life means birth into eternal life in Christ, if we know Him as Savior and Lord. That should give us confidence to face any challenge, any tragedy, any crisis, either of life or of faith.


And if you don't know Him? Let me introduce you to Him. God bless you all, and remember --

God is in control!

mont974x4
10th December 2007, 09:59 PM
It's a horrible event and I know many prayers are being offered in intercession for the families involved.


Last I heard, unconfirmed, was that search warrants are being served and the shootings are linked. I guess the shooter was booted from the program?

In the end, it doesn't matter. I hope the dead shooter, and the victims, knew Christ and pray for His hands to comfort all involved.


We have gotten an easy pass on the tormenting front, but Christians in other nations and regions are not so lucky.

Jay

BrotherOfJesusChrist
11th December 2007, 01:44 AM
An upsetting incidence it is. Just yesterday, I watched Pastor Dollar explaining why bad things happen to good people: “for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Matt 5:45) I thought of that immediately after I heard the news. Today, it rains on us.

Let us acknowledge and celebrate the lives taken from us today. As far as I’m concerned they are martyrs. I read two of them made significant contributions to the performance of good, and spreading the Word. Their service to God has been great, their salvation is guaranteed, and their reward is everlasting. Today, we have much to be thankful about, including the victims’ lives, the heroic security guard, and the many whose lives were spared. I will pray for all of them and their families, and the shooter and his family.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071211/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings

IamRedeemed
11th December 2007, 02:13 AM
Amen brother.

Also, God bless you Itisjustme. May God
give you continual strength, wisdom and courage as well
as continue to cause you to be a blessing to others.

God bless.



An upsetting incidence it is. Just yesterday, I watched Pastor Dollar explaining why bad things happen to good people: “for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Matt 5:45) I thought of that immediately after I heard the news. Today, it rains on us.

Let us acknowledge and celebrate the lives taken from us today. As far as I’m concerned they are martyrs. I read two of them made significant contributions to the performance of good, and spreading the Word. Their service to God has been great, their salvation is guaranteed, and their reward is everlasting. Today, we have much to be thankful about, including the victims’ lives, the heroic security guard, and the many whose lives were spared. I will pray for all of them and their families, and the shooter and his family.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071211/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings

Cris413
11th December 2007, 10:14 AM
As we keep these saints in prayer...as well as the friends and family of the shooter....

We should pump up the prayer for all the saints as I'm sure the enemy would love nothing better than to cast a shadow of doubt and fear over all believers as we gather together to study Scripture and praise and worship Him.

bluemarkus
11th December 2007, 10:27 AM
I did the summer SBF 2005 on the Arvada Campus !
just heard is from another YWAM friend of mine...

I wouldn´t have thought this could happen...

IisJustMe
11th December 2007, 11:12 AM
Praise God for Jeanne Assam. She is the security guard who took Murray down before he could get off a round in the church itself. I'm not going to break any confidences, as I know Jeanne, but she's had a difficult year. She just finished three days' fasting on Saturday, and when the New Life staff heard about the Arvada shootings, it was suggested to Pastor Boyd that extra security, some with guns, be called in for Sunday's service. Ms. Assam is retired from a Minnesota police department [this is a correction, I said CSPD earlier but I knew better -- "senior moment" I guess], and was asked to come in. She agreed. I'm sure many of you have heard her interview with the media from yesterday. She is a brave, awesome woman and is to be praised for her quick action that I'm convinced, having talked to many of the witnesses and those present at the church, saved literally hundreds of lives. Murray had a backpack filled with a thousand rounds of ammunition, an AK-47 assault rifle (where the heck are these kids getting these things? The Westroads shooter had stolen his dad's) and two handguns. Jeanne was outgunned and outsized, but as she said, God was with her. What do the purveyors of a false peace have to say about that, I wonder?

Nadiine
11th December 2007, 12:39 PM
If this shooter was able to murder people like this, I can only imagine what he was booted out for prior.

They obviously saw something serious enough to have him leave.

I think this is a good case for having guns for protection for our pacivist friends who don't believe in protecting life.
If it weren't for them, how many more innocent people would have been killed before he was done?

Cris413
11th December 2007, 12:48 PM
If this shooter was able to murder people like this, I can only imagine what he was booted out for prior.

They obviously saw something serious enough to have him leave.

I think this is a good case for having guns for protection for our pacivist friends who don't believe in protecting life.
If it weren't for them, how many more innocent people would have been killed before he was done?

As mentioned before...with these types of attacks escalating...

Do you think this will eventually lead to churches employing armed guards, metal detectors, video surveillance and such...

...pretty much like we have in our schools these days...

:confused:


As I mentioned earlier...pump up the prayer that doubt and fear not hang like a shadow over those congregations...and others

bill16652
11th December 2007, 12:50 PM
As mentioned before...with these types of attacks escalating...

Do you think this will eventually lead to churches employing armed guards, metal detectors, video surveillance and such...

...pretty much like we have in our schools these days...

:confused:

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As I mentioned earlier...pump up the prayer that doubt and fear not hang like a shadow over those congregations...and othersBigger churches, armed gaurds definitely. This man had 1000 rounds of ammunition in his backpack. If that woman hadnt been there and intervened which I believe was the hand of God think how many more would have been killed.

Cris413
11th December 2007, 01:05 PM
Bigger churches, armed gaurds definitely. This man had 1000 rounds of ammunition in his backpack. If that woman hadnt been there and intervened which I believe was the hand of God think how many more would have been killed.
how true...we are not exempt from the realities of the world we're passing through...

As we watch and pray in intercession for all the saints...and against the enemy who would like nothing more than to gain a foothold through fear and doubt.


:groupray:

MaidforHim
11th December 2007, 03:57 PM
I think that in the most basic sense we know exactly why this happened... satan. I read 2 articles on wnd.com this morning that gave a little more insight into the killer and I have to wonder why no familiy members knew that this young man was so hurt and angry towards Christians?

I feel very sad for this family, but I also wonder was there no discussion at home at all about this young mans anger or frustration about being dismissed from the YWAM several years ago? I'm confused about how an individual could be so deeply angered and his family not know it, not talk about it or something.

So many questions on this line go through my mind and yet the answer always comes back to satan and how he'll use any hurt, any anger or resentment, no matter how misplaced or inappropriate, as a key to enter someones life and destroy what he can.

The spiritual battle around us wages on and I think we sometimes forget about it until it spills over into our physical world and then we are shocked back into realizing that there is indeed a real battle going on.

I thought I understood before why some in law enforcement wore their firearms to church.. I seemed like it was a good idea to be watchful like this, but now I have an even deeper appreciation for those who are called to be protectors.

MaidforHim
11th December 2007, 04:03 PM
Praise God for Jeanne Assam. She is the security guard who took Murray down before he could get off a round in the church itself. I'm not going to break any confidences, as I know Jeanne, but she's had a difficult year. She just finished three days' fasting on Saturday, and when the New Life staff heard about the Arvada shootings, it was suggested to Pastor Boyd that extra security, some with guns, be called in for Sunday's service. Ms. Assam is retired from the Colorado Springs PD, and was asked to come in. She agreed. I'm sure many of you have heard her interview with the media from yesterday. She is a brave, awesome woman and is to be praised for her quick action that I'm convinced, having talked to many of the witnesses and those present at the church, saved literally hundreds of lives. Murray had a backpack filled with a thousand rounds of ammunition, an AK-47 assault rifle (where the heck are these kids getting these things? The Westroads shooter had stolen his dad's) and two handguns. Jeanne was outgunned and outsized, but as she said, God was with her. What do the purveyors of a false peace have to say about that, I wonder?
Amen Brother. God bless her. and I thank the Lord for blessing us with individuals who are willing and able to do this kind of work.

IisJustMe
11th December 2007, 09:08 PM
If this shooter was able to murder people like this, I can only imagine what he was booted out for prior.Sounds like paranoid schizophrenia, from the news accounts. How his father, a neurologist, could sit by and not get him proper treatment is beyond me. There doesn't appear to be any record he was ever hospitalized or medicated.

bluemarkus
12th December 2007, 07:23 AM
i didnt know this was the church of ex-pastor ted haggard where this happened ! interesting...

Nadiine
12th December 2007, 07:49 AM
i didnt know this was the church of ex-pastor ted haggard where this happened ! interesting...
Ya that is interesting... but so far there seem to be no ties to him so far that I've heard about.
But the analysis people were giving on the news about it in general was that churches may need to think about stepping up security & carrying weapons.
(we joked about it here a little, but that's what they're saying for real).

Ugh