Mayim."Waters" or "Nations, Tongues, and Multitudes"

[Annalien]

Personally, I believe when one is studying the scriptures a couple of factors must be taken into account...

1. The Tanakh is written in hebrew, and therefore to gain a deeper understanding it is important to go back to the root of the hebrew word to gain a deeper understanding of what a particular verse is talking about.

2. Context, Context, Context!!

3. and a humble heart set to know the truth of what Yah is telling us

So with that said, I was studying with a friend of mine the book of Genesis, and something in particular arose from the verses in which I would like to discuss...

Genesis 1:2 " ...and the Ruach of Elohim moved upon the face of the mayim. (Restoration Scriptures)

Genesis 1:2 "...and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)

In hebrew, the word "mayim" means "waters" with that said lets take a look at Revelation 17:15

"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

"And he said to me, The mayim that you saw, where the whore sits, are people and multitudes and nations and tongues. (Restoration Scriptures)

Now in the beginning the scriptures say the earth was void, without form, and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and althought this is a whole different discussion I believe something must have happen before the ruach of Elohim was over the face of the mayim for the sole reason of the shape of the earth...and since G-d is a G-d of order and PERFECTION, why was the earth DARK? VOID? My question to you all is the following...the two theories are these...

1.) In the beginning where it says The Ruach of Elohim moved upon the face of the mayim it is talking about how his Ruach moved upon the multitudes nations and tongues...meaning, nations, tongues, and multitudes existed already in Genesis? meaning that the word "mayim" doesnt necessarily mean water but nations, tongues, and multitudes?

OR

2.) This is compleatly false and in Genesis it is talking about actual WATER and not nations, tongues, and multitudes...and in Revelation 17:15 it is talking about something different than Genesis 1:2

FYI: I want you guys to think and supply bible verses if your going to claim what you believe biblically...

so, any thoughts about the meaning of the word mayim?

[visionary]

Not to muddy up your waters.... but I though I would throw this thought into the picture.

All these scriptures have been very discriptive...

1.) that the Lord's voice sounds like many waters... I think about everyone hearing the commandments in their own languages....

2.) how the nations voices are a crescendo of voices together and they sound like a babbling brook.

Ps 29:3 The voice of the LORD is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the LORD is upon many waters.

Jer 51:55 Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
Eze 1:24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

Eze 43:2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

Re 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Re 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Re 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

[Annalien]

Not to muddy up your waters.... but I though I would throw this thought into the picture.

All these scriptures have been very discriptive...

1.) that the Lord's voice sounds like many waters... I think about everyone hearing the commandments in their own languages....

2.) how the nations voices are a crescendo of voices together and they sound like a babbling brook.

Ps 29:3 The voice of the LORD is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the LORD is upon many waters.

Jer 51:55 Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
Eze 1:24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

Eze 43:2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

Re 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Re 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Re 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Yep!! totally with you!...

I went to my concordance to find out if the word "waters" had the same root meaning in hebrew for the two verses I provided, that is Gen 1:2, and Rev 17:15 and this is what I found...

in Genesis it's written in hebrew and mayim means water...

in Revelation where the text is in Greek the meaning is water as well...

what that means no idea...might be just two different representations for these two verses might not...still researching... :)