PDA

View Full Version : Mental sin , moral problem


mrzero
7th December 2007, 01:02 PM
I was thinking about that people can commit sin while fantasizing about sinful acts like rape.
However are other sins like murder in this category if you enjoy violence are you committing violence ?

Well I know this friend “Tadeusz Wilczak” ( Polish name ) and his totally obsess with murder and other violate acts. Hess a non believer and he often asks me about hell he enjoys the concept of people being tortured so. He told me that “if there is haven his version of haven would be more like a sick and twisted hell because he can’t stand anything not connected to violence “.

So my question is he murdering by fantasizing about murder (and I mean weal day dreams about him killing someone !) besides hiss normal sometimes he helps me in studies and so on but sometimes he well tales me Howe he is masturbating to some murders or like he is exited when a atheist from you tube really got out and murder some people. Well one time he bought some chicken for me and other friends and when we were eating he started to tell something like this “Well I’m surprised Howe some people hawed problems with cannibalism its like eating meat chum chum from the bone and it goes so easy (While we where eating the chicken flesh from the bones) , a bather way is to ear people alive while they still can feel the pain”. The others didn’t mined and where enjoying his discussion.

He sometimes makes presents for chrisms for us I got some manga the one with he told me whose mild and he got board with it woes Its about a murdering 11 jar old who likes to be raped and has a fantasy of being eaten by a wolf.

My point is , is he sinning by watching or liking violence ?

Thanks for the answers :D.

eldermike
7th December 2007, 01:31 PM
Imagine a huge electronic billboard real-time streaming every thought you have. And everyone could see it. Imagine there is no hiding your thoughts from anyone.
This is what God would see if Jesus was not hiding it from the Father. This is why God will not be in the presence of man without Jesus in the heart of that man. This is why there is only one way, one truth and one life, John 14:6. This is why a man must be born again through the blood of Jesus, otherwise he's going to be living a hell beyond all possible hells forever. And, he will deserve it, just like me if it were not for Jesus. The only escape is Jesus. The only hiding place is Jesus.
In this you can find the answer to your question but you will need to think about it.

mrzero
7th December 2007, 01:58 PM
Hmm I don’t get it maybe because I’m from POLAND not from England so pleas don’t speak in metaphor.

My original point whose is fantasizing about violence or about committing murder a sin ? (Please YES/NO answer I can get confused )

And besides I don’t think TW will be scared of by hell he questions me about hell all the time and is redder amused by it. My 2 question is can suth a person actually be punished ? If he wants to go to hell then how can you punish suth a person is it possible ?

eldermike
7th December 2007, 02:30 PM
short answer - yes

mrzero
7th December 2007, 02:50 PM
Thanks for the answer :D however I have a question to you answer :
why aren’t Christians protesting violate media and movies , comics , songs ?

arunma
7th December 2007, 04:26 PM
Thanks for the answer :D however I have a question to you answer :
why aren’t Christians protesting violate media and movies , comics , songs ?

Many of us do.

mrzero
7th December 2007, 05:36 PM
Maybe I recently didn’t hear about 1 in my lintier life because I live in Poland.
Did you try to ban the terminator movies ore some guro in the same intensity like abortion ?

However this brings me to another question if ther are people like my friend and there a lot of them in Poland who don’t believe in God and have no problem with killing where is it going to lead us ?

Besides if I’m herring something like “Hell well I have no problem wit it if it exist the theirs a lot of fun for me” is it even possible to punish such people with hell if they chose it and I have no problem imagining them having no regret after that.

Is it even possible to punish them if they dream of being send to hell ?

eldermike
7th December 2007, 06:04 PM
Maybe I recently didn’t hear about 1 in my lintier life because I live in Poland.
Did you try to ban the terminator movies ore some guro in the same intensity like abortion ?

However this brings me to another question if ther are people like my friend and there a lot of them in Poland who don’t believe in God and have no problem with killing where is it going to lead us ?

Besides if I’m herring something like “Hell well I have no problem wit it if it exist the theirs a lot of fun for me” is it even possible to punish such people with hell if they chose it and I have no problem imagining them having no regret after that.

Is it even possible to punish them if they dream of being send to hell ?
When we were decieved, when we were lost, we spoke the words of the devil. Witness to them, they do not know what they say.
I suggest reading Titus Chapter 3 and then Ephesian Chapter 2

Both of these will bring out the lost condition of man to you.

God bless

Hisbygrace
8th December 2007, 12:56 AM
Maybe I recently didn’t hear about 1 in my lintier life because I live in Poland.
Did you try to ban the terminator movies ore some guro in the same intensity like abortion ?

However this brings me to another question if ther are people like my friend and there a lot of them in Poland who don’t believe in God and have no problem with killing where is it going to lead us ?

Besides if I’m herring something like “Hell well I have no problem wit it if it exist the theirs a lot of fun for me” is it even possible to punish such people with hell if they chose it and I have no problem imagining them having no regret after that.

Is it even possible to punish them if they dream of being send to hell ?


My answer to you would be yes, because their mind cannot really conceive what hell will be like. It will be far greater than the violence we see here on earth, because it will be complete seperation for eternity from our Creator.

mrzero
8th December 2007, 06:36 AM
You KNOW you made me think and if he rely inset himself then Howe can he actually go to hell ?

I mean have you read the first letter to the Corinthians if I remember write “as I where a child I desired childish things but as I grow up I rejected childish ways ” think of it if he is deceived the person who gets to hell will no longer be him when the deceive gets lifted.

If he rely is not himself and the illusion gets lifted he will be another person. And this person is going to be punished while the sinner simply stops existing. Imagine it like imitate change of personality like from a child to a adult now the difference is so huge that TW on earth cant possibly be the TW in hell like so another person is going to be punished while he simply stops to exist.

If a nether person gets send to hell for him then Howe come any since can get punished for this meter. Now I’m depress if this deceive is so strong like you say there is no punishment for sin ! Rely you scared me with this passage if its so then every sin gets unpunished however the hell victims are inset people while all sinners simply stops existing. I don’t knows If I’m communicating it write however let me give a example of this logic “For every man in the USA there have bean set equivalent people in Australia lets say every of thou Australians is good however they are responsible for every action of they counterparts in the USA. For every crime that a USA counter part commits the equivalent Australian gets punished while the US citizen gets blameless”.

I hope you can explain to me this moral dilemma god bless.

rainbowpromises
8th December 2007, 08:30 PM
You KNOW you made me think and if he rely inset himself then Howe can he actually go to hell ?

I mean have you read the first letter to the Corinthians if I remember write “as I where a child I desired childish things but as I grow up I rejected childish ways ” think of it if he is deceived the person who gets to hell will no longer be him when the deceive gets lifted.

If he rely is not himself and the illusion gets lifted he will be another person. And this person is going to be punished while the sinner simply stops existing. Imagine it like imitate change of personality like from a child to a adult now the difference is so huge that TW on earth cant possibly be the TW in hell like so another person is going to be punished while he simply stops to exist.

If a nether person gets send to hell for him then Howe come any since can get punished for this meter. Now I’m depress if this deceive is so strong like you say there is no punishment for sin ! Rely you scared me with this passage if its so then every sin gets unpunished however the hell victims are inset people while all sinners simply stops existing. I don’t knows If I’m communicating it write however let me give a example of this logic “For every man in the USA there have bean set equivalent people in Australia lets say every of thou Australians is good however they are responsible for every action of they counterparts in the USA. For every crime that a USA counter part commits the equivalent Australian gets punished while the US citizen gets blameless”.

I hope you can explain to me this moral dilemma god bless.

I am not sure I understand you, but I will try.


To start with we are ALL unworthy of heaven. The requirement is perfection, which we cannot meet.
So we have a choice. Either we believe or we don't believe. Here is where deception comes in.
Some are shown and understand the truth.
Some are deceived and don't have the truth. (Grey area)
Some reject the truth.You are asking about the grey area people.

I came from the grey area.
I was raised in a family where the truth was used to cover the lie. Anyone who fell for the deception, believes the lie, in turn is not worthy of heaven. The liars in my family rejected the truth and also are not worthy of heaven. The count of those who understand the truth is slowly increasing in number. I am not the only one in my family and I was not the first and glad that I am not the last. These are the ones that are covered the Christ's blood. When God looks at those hearts he sees Christ standing in the gap for us. Perfection!

I understand the passage in Corinthians to hint at how everything will be clear to us then. We are as children now in our understanding but when God reveals himself to us we will see how simplistic our views were.