Evolution

[7angel]

Evolution of Man:

The question is, why not Jesus instead of Moses? why Jesus came after 4000 years? ... The teachings of Jesus, are far superior to those of Moses, and the men of those times had not yet evolved to understand intellectually, in the same way that a child can not go to a university without passing first by the primary and secondary in the same way that a child who has just begun to walk, need someone who not hold.

Therefore, first, man received the Ten Commandments from God, a law that punishes those who do not obey , just as a father to his son rebukes it rebel, until they cease to be.

When the men had overtaken the preparatory stages for a higher evolution, came Jesus, and what made, are summarized in the following reading:


Galatians 4
1 1 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot1) 2 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot2) I mean that as long as the heir is not of age, he is no different from a slave, although he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under the supervision of guardians and administrators until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were not of age, were enslaved to the elemental powers of the world. 3 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot3) 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption. 6 As proof that you are children, 4 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot4) God sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" 7 So you are no longer a slave but a child, and if a child then also an heir, through God. 8 5 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot5) 6 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot6) At a time when you did not know God, you became slaves to things that by nature are not gods; 9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again?
This is a reproach to those who are still tied to customs and traditions that are an obstacle to our spiritual growth

[7angel]

Psalms
Chapter 117

1 1 (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm117.htm#foot1) Praise the LORD, all you nations! Give glory, all you peoples! 2 The LORD'S love for us is strong; the LORD is faithful forever.

[Zecryphon]

Evolution of Man:

The question is, why not Jesus instead of Moses? why Jesus came after 4000 years? ... The teachings of Jesus, are far superior to those of Moses, and the men of those times had not yet evolved to understand intellectually, in the same way that a child can not go to a university without passing first by the primary and secondary in the same way that a child who has just begun to walk, need someone who not hold.

Therefore, first, man received the Ten Commandments from God, a law that punishes those who do not obey , just as a father to his son rebukes it rebel, until they cease to be.

When the men had overtaken the preparatory stages for a higher evolution, came Jesus, and what made, are summarized in the following reading:


Galatians 4
1 1 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot1) 2 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot2) I mean that as long as the heir is not of age, he is no different from a slave, although he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under the supervision of guardians and administrators until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were not of age, were enslaved to the elemental powers of the world. 3 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot3) 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption. 6 As proof that you are children, 4 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot4) God sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" 7 So you are no longer a slave but a child, and if a child then also an heir, through God. 8 5 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot5) 6 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/galatians/galatians4.htm#foot6) At a time when you did not know God, you became slaves to things that by nature are not gods; 9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again?
This is a reproach to those who are still tied to customs and traditions that are an obstacle to our spiritual growth
"The question is, why not Jesus instead of Moses? why Jesus came after 4000 years? ... The teachings of Jesus, are far superior to those of Moses,"

How are the teachings of Jesus superior to Moses?

"and the men of those times had not yet evolved to understand intellectually, in the same way that a child can not go to a university without passing first by the primary and secondary"

You're not talking about evolution here. You're talking about education. Why are you assuming that people in the time of Moses were not as smart as the people in the times of Jesus? What are you basing that presupposition upon?

[7angel]

How can evolve a people without education?


Isaiah 29

17 5 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah29.htm#foot5) But a very little while, and Lebanon shall be changed into an orchard, and the orchard be regarded as a forest! 18 On that day the deaf shall hear the words of a book; And out of gloom and darkness, the eyes of the blind shall see. 19 The lowly will ever find joy in the LORD, and the poor rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the tyrant will be no more and the arrogant will have gone; All who are alert to do evil will be cut off, 21 those whose mere word condemns a man, Who ensnare his defender at the gate, and leave the just man with an empty claim. 22 6 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah29.htm#foot6) Therefore thus says the LORD, the God of the house of Jacob, who redeemed Abraham: Now Jacob shall have nothing to be ashamed of, nor shall his face grow pale. 23 When his children see the work of my hands in his midst, They shall keep my name holy; they shall reverence the Holy One of Jacob, and be in awe of the God of Israel. 24 Those who err in spirit shall acquire understanding, and those who find fault shall receive instruction.

[Tea]

I see no where in the bible where God gave Adam et al, a lower intellegence then us. If anything, with the entrance of sin into the world, there would be agruement, that they did indeed, have a higher intellegence than us, and that through sin, we have lost that edge.

Also if we believe that Jesus was "The Word" of the Old Testament, John 1:1, then the words/teaching given to Moses, where direct from God who gave them to "The Word".

I think we do God a great disservice in thinking that his original and first creations were inferior to us. The bible states that God looked upon His creations, and said it is good. Not that they needed improvement.

Unfortunately with the rise in the belief of evolution, christians find themselves on a slippery downward lope.

Tracey

[Zecryphon]

How can evolve a people without education?


Isaiah 29

17 5 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah29.htm#foot5) But a very little while, and Lebanon shall be changed into an orchard, and the orchard be regarded as a forest! 18 On that day the deaf shall hear the words of a book; And out of gloom and darkness, the eyes of the blind shall see. 19 The lowly will ever find joy in the LORD, and the poor rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the tyrant will be no more and the arrogant will have gone; All who are alert to do evil will be cut off, 21 those whose mere word condemns a man, Who ensnare his defender at the gate, and leave the just man with an empty claim. 22 6 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah29.htm#foot6) Therefore thus says the LORD, the God of the house of Jacob, who redeemed Abraham: Now Jacob shall have nothing to be ashamed of, nor shall his face grow pale. 23 When his children see the work of my hands in his midst, They shall keep my name holy; they shall reverence the Holy One of Jacob, and be in awe of the God of Israel. 24 Those who err in spirit shall acquire understanding, and those who find fault shall receive instruction.
You haven't answered the questions I asked you. Why are you presupposing that the people in Moses' day were not as smart as the people in Jesus' day? Also, why do you think that the teachings of Jesus were superior to the teachings of Moses. Do you not see Moses as a shadow of Jesus? He too was a messiah-like person. He led people out of bondage to Israel. Jesus led people out of bondage to sin.

[Zecryphon]

I see no where in the bible where God gave Adam et al, a lower intellegence then us. If anything, with the entrance of sin into the world, there would be agruement, that they did indeed, have a higher intellegence than us, and that through sin, we have lost that edge.

Also if we believe that Jesus was "The Word" of the Old Testament, John 1:1, then the words/teaching given to Moses, where direct from God who gave them to "The Word".

I think we do God a great disservice in thinking that his original and first creations were inferior to us. The bible states that God looked upon His creations, and said it is good. Not that they needed improvement.

Unfortunately with the rise in the belief of evolution, christians find themselves on a slippery downward lope.

Tracey
Well I think he's falling into a trap of modern-day thinking, which says that Christianity is nothing more than bronze age mythology. If people were as smart then as we are today they never would have believed in Christianity. I hear this line of thinking from agnostics and atheists and other free thinkers.

[Tea]

mmm I don't know what it is, but coming from someone who's faith icon states, "Christian", I find this truely scarey thinking.

T

[7angel]

You haven't answered the questions I asked you. Why are you presupposing that the people in Moses' day were not as smart as the people in Jesus' day? Also, why do you think that the teachings of Jesus were superior to the teachings of Moses. Do you not see Moses as a shadow of Jesus? He too was a messiah-like person. He led people out of bondage to Israel. Jesus led people out of bondage to sin.
I do not doubt what I say, I am sure, do you know the story of Gideon?
What is your interpretation of the original message? If you have one, I say it, for our education , what is the difference between growth and evolution?
Your questions are really wrongs

[Zecryphon]

I do not doubt what I say, I am sure, do you know the story of Gideon?
What is your interpretation of the original message? If you have one, I say it, for our education , what is the difference between growth and evolution?
Your questions are really wrongs
"I do not doubt what I say, I am sure, do you know the story of Gideon? What is your interpretation of the original message? If you have one, I say it, for our education , what is the difference between growth and evolution?
Your questions are really wrongs"

I'd love to answer these questions by you, but my initial post in this thread has been reported. Since, someone, clearly does not want me here, I will leave this thread. If you make the thread [OPEN], then and only then will I be able to answer your questions. Btw, the questions are not wrong, they are simply asked to get you to define your premises.

[7angel]

Ok. I never report any post, I accept them and I say what I think.

Responding to your initial post:
Any Bible shows the evolution of man, from Adan and Eve, until our time, in the history of Gedeon, we see as God instructs him for who knows how to choose the best men to carry out the battles to liberate the people of Israel . In that story we can know the level of awareness of these people, which in turn indicates the degree of evolution.
God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, a law perfect, but the man is not perfect, its evolution had not yet reached the point to understand that perfection is the work of God, Today, the man is still imperfect because of their arrogance.
The perfection is not achieved by natural means, but by spiritual means, FAITH, HOPE AND LOVE

We know, but we do not want to accept

Greetings

[Sleaker]

That's not an evolution. Adam was made and he had no sin. He was perfect until he took of the tree. It is said that there are only two men in the world. Those born of Adam and those Born of Christ. There is no room for evolution. You are either of Adam or you are of Christ. It's not a question of 'evolution' otherwise how could any of the OT prophets have ascended to heaven? How could David have been said to be a 'man after God's heart?' if they were not 'evolved' as you suggest?

Why do we have the 'hall of Faith' in Hebrews if these men were not 'evolved?'

No, on the contrary Faith was active before Moses, Love was active before Moses and Hope was active before Moses. To suggest otherwise is to disregard scripture completely.

[7angel]

That's not an evolution. Adam was made and he had no sin. He was perfect until he took of the tree. It is said that there are only two men in the world. Those born of Adam and those Born of Christ. There is no room for evolution. You are either of Adam or you are of Christ. It's not a question of 'evolution' otherwise how could any of the OT prophets have ascended to heaven? How could David have been said to be a 'man after God's heart?' if they were not 'evolved' as you suggest?

Why do we have the 'hall of Faith' in Hebrews if these men were not 'evolved?'

No, on the contrary Faith was active before Moses, Love was active before Moses and Hope was active before Moses. To suggest otherwise is to disregard scripture completely.
Adam and Eve were totally ignorant as two babies, knew not good nor evil, how two people ignorant, can be considered perfect? Why do you think that God plants the tree of good and evil? - If were perfect, they would have obeyed.

We are all descendants of Adam, we must now be born again of the Spirit.

Genesis 2
9 Out of the ground the LORD God made various trees grow that were delightful to look at and good for food, with the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, yet they felt no shame. ( Why ? )

Genesis 3
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.

22 Then the LORD God said: "See! The man has become like one of us, knowing what is good and what is bad! ( As you can see, God was not angry but rather cheerful, because Adam and Eve could be like them in terms of knowledge of good and evil ) .....
Thus began the evolution of man

Therefore, he must not be allowed to put out his hand to take fruit from the tree of life also, and thus eat of it and live forever."

Can you understand ignorance of Adan and Eve?

[Sleaker]

I think you fail to see that before Adam ate of the fruit he was Like God already! He was born of spirit before Christ came. His spirit was corrupted because of the sin that he did.

Perfection is a tricky thing to understand. Who's to say you can't corrupt perfection through your own choices? It may be a paradox but there are many paradoxes in Christianity that are accepted and to suggest that Adam was perfect before sin is not a hard one.

Before Adam ate of the tree he was in Perfect unity with God, thus he only knew. If Adam had not sinned and eaten we would not have needed a sacrifice to be 'born again' under a new man. Our Spirit would still be whole and unblemished. The idea that we are 'evolving' rather than returning to an unblemished state is counter to everything presented by God in the bible. God is about redemption, making what was broken whole again.

They felt no shame because perfect love casts out fear. When they ate of the tree they knew what they had done was wrong and now they were outside of God's perfect love, thus they feared wrath.

[7angel]

I think you fail to see that before Adam ate of the fruit he was Like God already! He was born of spirit before Christ came. His spirit was corrupted because of the sin that he did.

Perfection is a tricky thing to understand. Who's to say you can't corrupt perfection through your own choices? It may be a paradox but there are many paradoxes in Christianity that are accepted and to suggest that Adam was perfect before sin is not a hard one.

Before Adam ate of the tree he was in Perfect unity with God, thus he only knew. If Adam had not sinned and eaten we would not have needed a sacrifice to be 'born again' under a new man. Our Spirit would still be whole and unblemished. The idea that we are 'evolving' rather than returning to an unblemished state is counter to everything presented by God in the bible. God is about redemption, making what was broken whole again.

They felt no shame because perfect love casts out fear. When they ate of the tree they knew what they had done was wrong and now they were outside of God's perfect love, thus they feared wrath.
Ok. if you think so , go ahead !

[IisJustMe]

The teachings of Jesus, are far superior to those of Moses, and the men of those times had not yet evolved to understand intellectually, in the same way that a child can not go to a university without passing first by the primary and secondary in the same way that a child who has just begun to walk, need someone who not hold. Actually, it had nothing to do with a lack of understanding, but an unwillingness to obey. Moses called Israel a "stubborn and stiff-necked people" who were deliberately disobedient. That implies an ability to understand but a rejection of the opportunity to be faithful.Therefore, first, man received the Ten Commandments from God, a law that punishes those who do not obey , just as a father to his son rebukes it rebel, until they cease to be. The Law was intended to reveal Christ and the need for a Savior.When the men had overtaken the preparatory stages for a higher evolution, came Jesus, and what made, are summarized in the following reading:There is no such thing as evolution, even of a spiritual nature. Man has the innate need to seek God built into him by the human spirit given him by God. He has a choice to try to meet that need with God, or by trying to fill the "hole" in his overall makeup with something else. Your use of the Galatians 4 passage does not relate to evolution, but coming of spiritual age in Christ, rather than holding to traditions of men.

[Sleaker]

Ok. if you think so , go ahead !

You didn't really address my question of Hebrews 12. How, if these people were less 'evolved' did they get put in the new testament as Examples of what it is to have faith, which you say didn't evolve until after Christ? How is it that Enoch was taken up directly to heaven? And how is it that David was considered a Man after God's own heart?

These issues, which you fail to bring light to, completely go against what you suggest as evolution, and which IisJustMe has directly shown is an issue of Obedience and Love, rather than man not being 'evolved'

[7angel]

You didn't really address my question of Hebrews 12. How, if these people were less 'evolved' did they get put in the new testament as Examples of what it is to have faith, which you say didn't evolve until after Christ? How is it that Enoch was taken up directly to heaven? And how is it that David was considered a Man after God's own heart?

These issues, which you fail to bring light to, completely go against what you suggest as evolution, and which IisJustMe has directly shown is an issue of Obedience and Love, rather than man not being 'evolved'

Judges
Chapter 71 Early the next morning Jerubbaal (that is, Gideon) encamped by Enharod with all his soldiers. The camp of Midian was in the valley north of Gibeath-hammoreh. 2 The LORD said to Gideon, "You have too many soldiers with you for me to deliver Midian into their power, lest Israel vaunt itself against me and say, 'My own power brought me the victory.' 3 Now proclaim to all the soldiers, 'If anyone is afraid or fearful, let him leave.'" When Gideon put them to this test on the mountain, twenty-two thousand of the soldiers left, but ten thousand remained. 4 The LORD said to Gideon, "There are still too many soldiers. Lead them down to the water and I will test them for you there. If I tell you that a certain man is to go with you, he must go with you. But no one is to go if I tell you he must not." 5 1 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/judges/judges7.htm#foot1) When Gideon led the soldiers down to the water, the LORD said to him, "You shall set to one side everyone who laps up the water as a dog does with its tongue; to the other, everyone who kneels down to drink." 6 Those who lapped up the water raised to their mouths by hand numbered three hundred, but all the rest of the soldiers knelt down to drink the water. 7 The LORD said to Gideon, "By means of the three hundred who lapped up the water I will save you and will deliver Midian into your power. So let all the other soldiers go home." 8 Their horns, and such supplies as the soldiers had with them, were taken up, and Gideon ordered the rest of the Israelites to their tents, but kept the three hundred men. Now the camp of Midian was beneath him in the valley. 9 That night the LORD said to Gideon, "Go, descend on the camp, for I have delivered it up to you.

Can you see the degree of development or growth of this army, and as God let just three hundred men?

[Sleaker]

Can you see the degree of development or growth of this army, and as God let just three hundred men?

How is this an example of evolution? Some people drank one way, and others another. Evolution is defined as a process whereby one organism changes into another. Or in the context you are using it Man changing his behaviour from one way to another.

There was no time here, all men drank at the same time. So obviously some men chose to do it differently. Lets call it 'personality.'

And for the sake of going somewhere, maybe this is an example of evolution? But you haven't explained How it relates to someone coming into salvation. You still have the issue of no time passing here. If you are trying to show man evolving then you must show him acting one way at one part in time (as a whole) and then a different way in another part of time. You have failed to show any difference in man's behavior between OT and NT.

[7angel]

How is this an example of evolution? Some people drank one way, and others another. Evolution is defined as a process whereby one organism changes into another. Or in the context you are using it Man changing his behaviour from one way to another.

There was no time here, all men drank at the same time. So obviously some men chose to do it differently. Lets call it 'personality.'

And for the sake of going somewhere, maybe this is an example of evolution? But you haven't explained How it relates to someone coming into salvation. You still have the issue of no time passing here. If you are trying to show man evolving then you must show him acting one way at one part in time (as a whole) and then a different way in another part of time. You have failed to show any difference in man's behavior between OT and NT.
This is the original post:

Galatians 4
1 1 2 I mean that as long as the heir is not of age, he is no different from a slave, although he is the owner of everything, 2 but, he is under the supervision of guardians and administrators until the date set by his father. 3 In the same way we also, when we were not of age, were enslaved to the elemental powers of the world. 3 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption. 6 As proof that you are children, 4 God sent the spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" 7 So you are no longer a slave but a child, and if a child then also an heir, through God. 8 5 6 At a time when you did not know God, you became slaves to things that by nature are not gods; 9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again?

You never have it in mind, in this reading, Paul refers to the evolution of man, which is why he says, that being the owner, first went slaves, and this is a consequence of slavery, the man had not yet reached an evolution to understand what is divine, do you think at that time he could preach the gospel to people who still drank water like animals?

It's not pleasant to talk with you

[Sleaker]

You never have it in mind, in this reading, Paul refers to the evolution of man, which is why he says, that being the owner, first went slaves, and this is a consequence of slavery, the man had not yet reached an evolution to understand what is divine, do you think at that time he could preach the gospel to people who still drank water like animals?

It's not pleasant to talk with you

Paul is not referring to the evolution of man in Galatians. He is showing that by the law, Man was under a guardian, a protector. But when Christ came we no longer needed the tutor or guardian. There was a positional move from a slave to law to being children of God. but that's not an evolutionary step. It's a step that people have a choice on, every single person has a choice to still be a slave to the law or to have Faith in God's redemptive power.

If it's an evolutionary process why is Paul reminding them not to go back to their former ways? In evolution once you reach a new status you don't go back.. You have evolved past the old. It seems abundantly clear that this is not what Paul is referring to.

This still doesn't answer the question of Old Testament people who understood grace and Faith. In fact, it only makes your 'evolution' work less. David didn't live as a slave to the law, in fact he broke the law, but he was still considered a 'man after God's heart' He understood Faith, hope and love.

There really is no difference in man himself between OT and NT, the only difference is that the Messiah has come. The entrance into eternal life is still the same for those who were in the OT as it is for those who are in NT times. It still requires Faith.

Under your explanation it would be assumed that no one could have entered into eternal life until after Jesus.

[7angel]

evolution
A noun
1 development, evolution

a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage); "the development of his ideas took many years"; "the evolution of Greek civilization"; "the slow development of her skill as a writer"

Category Tree:
phenomenon
╚process
╚development, evolution
╚unfolding; flowering
╚growth
╚deepening
╚assibilation

2 evolution, phylogeny, phylogenesis

(biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species

[Sleaker]

evolution
A noun
1 development, evolution

a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage); "the development of his ideas took many years"; "the evolution of Greek civilization"; "the slow development of her skill as a writer"

Category Tree:
phenomenon
╚process
╚development, evolution
╚unfolding; flowering
╚growth
╚deepening
╚assibilation

2 evolution, phylogeny, phylogenesis

(biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species

Yes I realise what the definition of evolution is, what I'm saying is that the requirements for salvation have always been the same: Faith in God. whether Old or NT, and Hebrews 12 clearly shows that people in the past were able to have faith to be saved. There was no evolution here, the difference between OT and NT times is in OT they looked ahead and had Faith that a sacrifice for all sin would come, and NT we have faith that it has already come. I don't really see any room for evolution here.

[7angel]

It is written: Faith comes by the preaching of the Gospel, and it is a gift from God, Gedeon was not a man of faith, he had asked many proof, and gedeon was the best of its kind at the time, yet had evolution enough to receive the Gospel, which is why at that time, it was in force only law,

John the Baptist said: I baptize with water, but, who comes behind me, baptize with the Holy Spirit.
This is the last stage of the evolution of man to reach perfection or could say; salvation.
Be perfect like my father, say Jesús

[IisJustMe]

It is written: Faith comes by the preaching of the Gospel, and it is a gift from God, Gedeon was not a man of faith, he had asked many proof, and gedeon was the best of its kind at the time, yet had evolution enough to receive the Gospel, which is why at that time, it was in force only law,

John the Baptist said: I baptize with water, but, who comes behind me, baptize with the Holy Spirit.
This is the last stage of the evolution of man to reach perfection or could say; salvation.
Be perfect like my father, say JesúsI don't know if there's a language barrier here, or what, but there is nothing in the Bible that can remotely be conceived as "evolution" and certainly not in the spiritual realm. This is a dead-end line of thought.

[Sleaker]

It is written: Faith comes by the preaching of the Gospel, and it is a gift from God, Gedeon was not a man of faith, he had asked many proof, and gedeon was the best of its kind at the time, yet had evolution enough to receive the Gospel, which is why at that time, it was in force only law,

John the Baptist said: I baptize with water, but, who comes behind me, baptize with the Holy Spirit.
This is the last stage of the evolution of man to reach perfection or could say; salvation.
Be perfect like my father, say Jesús

You still haven't addressed the biggest thing, Faith as seen in Hebrews which uses Older references than Gideon. Gideon is one man of many. You are trying to suggest that all of mankind evolved, which is absurd.

[7angel]

1 Corinthians
Chapter 31 1 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians3.htm#foot1) 2 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians3.htm#foot2) Brothers, I could not talk to you as spiritual people, but as fleshly people, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you milk, not solid food, because you were unable to take it. Indeed, you are still not able, even now, 3 for you are still of the flesh. While there is jealousy and rivalry among you, 3 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians3.htm#foot3) are you not of the flesh, and behaving in an ordinary human way? 4 Whenever someone says, "I belong to Paul," and another, "I belong to Apollos," are you not merely human?

[Sleaker]

1 Corinthians
Chapter 31 1 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians3.htm#foot1) 2 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians3.htm#foot2) Brothers, I could not talk to you as spiritual people, but as fleshly people, as infants in Christ. 2 I fed you milk, not solid food, because you were unable to take it. Indeed, you are still not able, even now, 3 for you are still of the flesh. While there is jealousy and rivalry among you, 3 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians3.htm#foot3) are you not of the flesh, and behaving in an ordinary human way? 4 Whenever someone says, "I belong to Paul," and another, "I belong to Apollos," are you not merely human?

I see growth here. Does a baby evolve into an adult? Do we call it 'evolution' when a child grows up? or when a kitten becomes a cat? No! Evolution is a process whereby one thing becomes another, and it is generally accepted to be a long drown out process. (At least the intellectual idea of evolution is referred to as this) I've asked you to explain Hebrews 12 many times but still no response, any reason?

The only idea within the bible that remotely coincides with 'evolution' is the immediate process whereby a man accepts Christ and becomes a new Creation. But this would merely be semantics on an intellectual word used in a spiritual context.

But I think you are trying to say that man has evolved from Adam to now giving him a greater capacity to be like Christ. This is in no way concurrent with scripture, and please do correct me if I have the wrong idea about what you are saying.