Who wants a debate sub-forum? non-denom's only

[stone]

Do you guys want a debate sub-forum.


The other forums that have debate sub-forums do so to remove the argueing that usually takes place from the main forum so that folks that are new to the site and lurkers are not exposed to any aggresive behaviour that may occur during a debate.

This poll is to see where everyone stands on making a decision to add a sub-forum to debate with those that are not members of the non-denominational forum.

[flyingsum0]

I'd love to see it

[HypnoToad]

Depends on what you mean.

If we're removing ALL debates and puting them there, regardless if the thread is just members, then no.

If you actually mean a subforum for non-member participation, then sure.

[stone]

Depends on what you mean.

If we're removing ALL debates and puting them there, regardless if the thread is just members, then no.

If you actually mean a subforum for non-member participation, then sure.


It would be for non-member participation.

[Cris413]

It would be for non-member participation.
By "non-member" are we talking about ND not on the Membership List? or anyone other than ND?

I'm a little confused.

Do we still have a list? I'm ND...but my icon is Calvary Chapel...an ND church.

I've submitted to being added to the List...to be respectful of the guidelines...but it does not appear to have been updated in several days...has it been done away with?

Personally...I have no problem with a sub-forum...I'm not certain we want to invite unorthodox posting...but I would like the opportunity to talk with others that are not necessarily ND...

I'm not sure I see a reason to split the forum...I guess I need a little more clarification as to whom the sub-forum would apply...

Thanks...

Cris

[HypnoToad]

I've submitted to being added to the List...to be respectful of the guidelines...but it does not appear to have been updated in several days...has it been done away with?
The reason it hasn't been updated is because it's not yet known what will happen. I don't want to update it if it's just going to be thrown out shortly.

From what I can tell about what's been said about the subforum idea, we would keep a member list, so "non-member" would be anyone not on the list. Any non-member debate would have to be in that subforum. (I don't know if we'd still use the [open] tag in the main forum or not.) Debating in the subforum would still be bound by the SoF and guidelines - so they still wouldn't be able to argue against the Trinity, the subforum would still be Nicene-compliant. If we want, we can still limit debating to Christians, so there may be some type of "unorthodox" ideas presented (the current SoF doesn't cover everything), but nothing unchristian.

[stone]

It's better to have a list that each member can post themselves to. Flaglady uses one like this in the Pentecostal forum. Basically, the way it works is that there is a general statement made about being charismatic and if you agree, you post that you agree to the rules of the forum. I like this method because mods already have enohgh work to do, to have to continue to update a members list several times a week.

If your non-denom and have a different faith icon, you just post to the sticky. You guys should take a look at the one Flaglady uses over in the Pentecostal forum if you have questions about how it will work.

Those that are not non-denom, say for example catholic, but want to debate a topic with non-denom's, then that person can create a debate thread in the debate sub-forum.

[stone]

By "non-member" are we talking about ND not on the Membership List? or anyone other than ND?

I'm a little confused.

Do we still have a list? I'm ND...but my icon is Calvary Chapel...an ND church.

The list would be used for folks like yourself. However, there will be rules for posting as a regular non-denom member that do not have a non-denom icon. For example what HypnoToad mentioned about abidding to the Nicene creed, that would be one rule. Another rule would restrict others from coming in here and telling us that were gonna burn in hell because we don't take the eucharist. Understand?


I've submitted to being added to the List...to be respectful of the guidelines...but it does not appear to have been updated in several days...has it been done away with?

I'd rather use a list system that allows for you, the poster to post to a sticky thread, that after agreeing to the terms of becoming a regular member, you simply make a post yourself to the thread, this allows you to add your own name to the list, so to speak.


Personally...I have no problem with a sub-forum...I'm not certain we want to invite unorthodox posting...but I would like the opportunity to talk with others that are not necessarily ND..

I understand what your saying, but it also sounds like your claiming that all nd's are orthodox?



I'm not sure I see a reason to split the forum...I guess I need a little more clarification as to whom the sub-forum would apply...

Thanks...

Cris


How do you understand that there is a split by creating a sub-forum for non-member debate? From what i've been hearing over the last couple of months, is that this is what the forum wants to have.

any other questions?

[MaidforHim]

Do you mean an open forum for debate between Non-D and those of other faiths?

But debate between N-D members would still continue in the main forum?

If that is the case I'm all for it.

[MaidforHim]

Are you saying that because I have a Calvary Chapel icon, I cannot be a member of the Non-denom forum, even though my church is a non-denominational church?

Yep, I am thoroughly confused.

[stone]

Are you saying that because I have a Calvary Chapel icon, I cannot be a member of the Non-denom forum, even though my church is a non-denominational church?

Yep, I am thoroughly confused.


Who am i to say if you are non-denominational or not? That will be up to you to decide, if you want to add your name to the sticky(list) or not.

[HypnoToad]

It's better to have a list that each member can post themselves to. Flaglady uses one like this in the Pentecostal forum. Basically, the way it works is that there is a general statement made about being charismatic and if you agree, you post that you agree to the rules of the forum. I like this method because mods already have enohgh work to do, to have to continue to update a members list several times a week.

If your non-denom and have a different faith icon, you just post to the sticky. You guys should take a look at the one Flaglady uses over in the Pentecostal forum if you have questions about how it will work.
Well, the sign-in we have here sounds identical to what you're describing. The member list we have is basically just a consolidation of the sign-in thread; it's just easier to have it all together in one post then to have to search through a thread for whatever reason. Plus, given the amount of time I'm available here, it's little effort for me to update the list.

[HypnoToad]

Do you mean an open forum for debate between Non-D and those of other faiths?

But debate between N-D members would still continue in the main forum?

If that is the case I'm all for it.
That's how I understand it is to work.

Are you saying that because I have a Calvary Chapel icon, I cannot be a member of the Non-denom forum, even though my church is a non-denominational church?
You'd be fine. We discussed a ways back that other icons (like the generic "Christian" or "Protestant") would still be allowed. Yours may be a more specific organization, but it's still non-denominational.

[stone]

Well, the sign-in we have here sounds identical to what you're describing. The member list we have is basically just a consolidation of the sign-in thread; it's just easier to have it all together in one post then to have to search through a thread for whatever reason. Plus, given the amount of time I'm available here, it's little effort for me to update the list.


We can always evolve it into a master list in the op or something like that down the road. The main principle here(list) will be that it will be up to the members themselves to decide if they want to abide by the rules of being non-denom in this forum and be a regular posting member.

[HypnoToad]

We can always evolve it into a master list in the op or something like that down the road. The main principle here will be that it will be up to the members themselves to decide if they want to abide by the rules of being non-denom in this forum and be a regular posting member.
The reason that it's separate is that the sign-in could theoretically hit 1,000 posts and close/restart itself - being the OP of the old thread, it wouldn't be carried over, it would have to be copied. Plus, several people could post before the list gets copied, so it would no longer be in the OP. Having it's own thread without other posts is just more convenient for me.

And as it is now, it is basically up to the individual to decide for themselves. The only ones I know of who've been refused are those who were already known to reject what's in the SoF.

[stone]

The reason that it's separate is that the sign-in could theoretically hit 1,000 posts and close/restart itself - being the OP of the old thread, it wouldn't be carried over, it would have to be copied. Plus, several people could post before the list gets copied, so it would no longer be in the OP. Having it's own thread without other posts is just more convenient for me.

And as it is now, it is basically up to the individual to decide for themselves. The only ones I know of who've been refused are those who were already known to reject what's in the SoF.


good:thumbsup:

[BustedFlat]

After much thought and prayer in this respect I voted no.
I am having a hard time how we as mere humans, debating in the flesh can promote spiritual growth in visitors. I would much rather see us focus on having questions asked by our guests, and having us, in the Spirit, answer in Truth and Love.
There are places here in Christian Forms ( love that name being back) where those debates can carry on without looking to bring that strife in here.

Just my opinion.

[Nadiine]

By "non-member" are we talking about ND not on the Membership List? or anyone other than ND?

I'm a little confused.

Do we still have a list? I'm ND...but my icon is Calvary Chapel...an ND church.

I've submitted to being added to the List...to be respectful of the guidelines...but it does not appear to have been updated in several days...has it been done away with?

Personally...I have no problem with a sub-forum...I'm not certain we want to invite unorthodox posting...but I would like the opportunity to talk with others that are not necessarily ND...

I'm not sure I see a reason to split the forum...I guess I need a little more clarification as to whom the sub-forum would apply...

Thanks...

Cris
Hi Cris :wave:
One of the things I mentioned was that I wanted our SOF to be in place if we did a debate Subforum for nonmembers/nonChristians. I hope it will be for our sakes - that way it doesn't turn super ugly. If this forum is considering doing away with the memberships, then I'd want to see how it would run in that subforum with the SOF in place like it would be here. Maybe it would work out well? I don't know.

I really liked Zec's Lutheran guidelines post about the protection they provide for their own members which I thought was really awesome.
I think we as ND's (who do belong here first & foremost) should be given some preference in protection as to how our mods allow us to be treated in our own forum.
If it gets nasty, I hope they step in for us & throw some authority around so we don't get run over by skeptics, trolls & whoever else.

Non ND's still have the entire Theology area to debate in, so if they want to debate stuff that's in our SOF, they can go there to ask or attack instead.

(that's how I see things for now --).

[stone]

After much thought and prayer in this respect I voted no.
I am having a hard time how we as mere humans, debating in the flesh can promote spiritual growth in visitors. I would much rather see us focus on having questions asked by our guests, and having us, in the Spirit, answer in Truth and Love.
There are places here in Christian Forms ( love that name being back) where those debates can carry on without looking to bring that strife in here.

Just my opinion.

Thank you for your post. By the looks of the poll there may be others that share your views, this is why i made the poll to see where everyone here stands on this issue.

[Nadiine]

Thank you for your post. By the looks of the poll there may be others that share your views, this is why i made the poll to see where everyone here stands on this issue.
I'm still undecided on what to actually vote. I hope we get alot of people voting on this one.

& thanks for making this poll Stone :thumbsup:

[Cris413]

thanks for you kind and patient response...

The list would be used for folks like yourself. However, there will be rules for posting as a regular non-denom member that do not have a non-denom icon. For example what HypnoToad mentioned about abidding to the Nicene creed, that would be one rule. Another rule would restrict others from coming in here and telling us that were gonna burn in hell because we don't take the eucharist. Understand?Understood.


I'd rather use a list system that allows for you, the poster to post to a sticky thread, that after agreeing to the terms of becoming a regular member, you simply make a post yourself to the thread, this allows you to add your own name to the list, so to speak. Understood

I understand what your saying, but it also sounds like your claiming that all nd's are orthodox? Why would it sound like I'm making such a claim?

It has been quite obvious over the past several months...there are those who belong to churches that may be governed in such a way that is considered ND...or that don't belong to any church at all and consider themselves ND...that have some seriously unorthodox beliefs...

My bad for simply assuming it was a given we were talking about orthodox believers...ND or otherwise... as agreeing with the SoF is not a negotiable issue...for either the main forum nor the proposed subforum...as the SoF would still be in place for any subform...
How do you understand that there is a split by creating a sub-forum for non-member debate? From what i've been hearing over the last couple of months, is that this is what the forum wants to have. Obviously I don't understand...hence the questions.

Does not a subforum create a "split" in the forum? perhaps section would have been a better choice of words.

Honestly...it makes no difference to me what you all decide...

any other questions?No thank you

[Nadiine]

It looks like maybe we should have the details spelled out in one post so people know how to vote?

Not to be a pain, but can we have the specifics listed about the subforum?

Like who is allowed to post in there

is the SOF covering it so that they still can't debate on SOF topics like trinity?

etc.
:blush: :sorry: sorry

[Cris413]

It looks like maybe we should have the details spelled out in one post so people know how to vote?

Not to be a pain, but can we have the specifics listed about the subforum?

Like who is allowed to post in there

is the SOF covering it so that they still can't debate on SOF topics like trinity?

etc.
:blush: :sorry: sorry
I think that's a wonderful idea sister...something clear and concise...all points ironed out and presented so we can make an informed vote.

Sometimes...you have to treat me like I'm 2...;)

[Nadiine]

I think that's a wonderful idea sister...something clear and concise...all points ironed out and presented so we can make an informed vote.

Sometimes...you have to treat me like I'm 2...;)
:thumbsup: me too girl... errgo my question to please spell this out so I know exactly what the Mods are considering for this area.

I kinda don't have the whole picture of what they're envisioning, that's why I was tossing out ideas everywhere in case they were thinking of one direction... if they're going to remove the membership anyways, then do we NEED a subforum? I doubt it.

I was kinda just throwing up little felt pieces to see what might stick onto the feltboard. LOL
(i loved that as a kid) =0)~

Anyways, so we're both 2, I'll wait & see what all they're considering & thinking then figure this out.
(restraining my impulsive self) - woe bessy.
:pink:

[IisJustMe]

A debate forum would have to be closely monitored and not allowed to get too far afield of the intent of this fellowship. I've seen, in another forum I used to be a member of, what happens when people with an agenda are allowed to debate without restriction, particularly when the people who are supposed to keep them in line actually join in with them in promoting a particular viewpoint.

I've voted "other" to indicate that I don't want to see this forum fall to pieces over legalism, bad biblical interpretation, and arrogance based on doctrine. This forum is to promote Christ, and fellowship in Him. Too many people want to use the anonymity they have as a result of hiding behind their screen names in order to take out their frustration at being someone they don't want to be. They use this venue to reinvent themselves and express their anger and attitude toward others because there are no real consequences for their actions. Debate forums enable this behavior, to the detriment of everyone.

[Cris413]

:thumbsup: me too girl... errgo my question to please spell this out so I know exactly what the Mods are considering for this area.

I kinda don't have the whole picture of what they're envisioning, that's why I was tossing out ideas everywhere in case they were thinking of one direction... if they're going to remove the membership anyways, then do we NEED a subforum? I doubt it.

I was kinda just throwing up little felt pieces to see what might stick onto the feltboard. LOL
(i loved that as a kid) =0)~

Anyways, so we're both 2, I'll wait & see what all they're considering & thinking then figure this out.
(restraining my impulsive self) - woe bessy.
:pink: Oh wow...I still like to play with felt...:) and bubble wrap...but I digress...

In all honesty...and I mean this sincerely...it makes no difference to me...

List or no List...subforum or no subforum...IMHO the real path to a successful forum is in the SoF, proper guidelines and Moderators equipped and given the latitude to serve the forum accordingly...

We can all do our part as well...Not feeding Trolls and reporting posts that blatantly disregard the SoF.

As the Mods are asking what we want...we should give them our thoughts...and our crayons so they draw us a picture...:pink:

:hug: Big squeeze sistah!

[Nadiine]

Oh wow...I still like to play with felt...:) and bubble wrap...but I digress...

In all honesty...and I mean this sincerely...it makes no difference to me...

List or no List...subforum or no subforum...IMHO the real path to a successful forum is in the SoF, proper guidelines and Moderators equipped and given the latitude to serve the forum accordingly...

We can all do our part as well...Not feeding Trolls and reporting posts that blatantly disregard the SoF.

As the Mods are asking what we want...we should give them our thoughts...and our crayons so they draw us a picture...:pink:

:hug: Big squeeze sistah!
LOL felt & bubble wrap!! Yessssssss! lol

speaking of being 2 again.... k, this is something I SHOULD know, but...... I don't.
What exactly is a troll & what are you doing to feed them? Are they like trouble makers who are baiting us?

And I actually agree with you that I kind of don't mind what they end up doing. As long as our mods will protect us ND peoples.... and our SOF is tight, it probly won't be as bad as I'm bracing myself for.

I'm just so gunshy with all the horrific things I've been involved in trying to fix around here thru all these landmines dropped on us lately, that I'm just dreading what might happen if we lose our protection.

That's kinda where I'm at & why my posts are what they are on these topics of change. (change: the new 4 letter word) hehe :P :cool:

[Nadiine]

A debate forum would have to be closely monitored and not allowed to get too far afield of the intent of this fellowship. I've seen, in another forum I used to be a member of, what happens when people with an agenda are allowed to debate without restriction, particularly when the people who are supposed to keep them in line actually join in with them in promoting a particular viewpoint.

I've voted "other" to indicate that I don't want to see this forum fall to pieces over legalism, bad biblical interpretation, and arrogance based on doctrine. This forum is to promote Christ, and fellowship in Him. Too many people want to use the anonymity they have as a result of hiding behind their screen names in order to take out their frustration at being someone they don't want to be. They use this venue to reinvent themselves and express their anger and attitude toward others because there are no real consequences for their actions. Debate forums enable this behavior, to the detriment of everyone.
I soooo hear you. Believe me, I've been thru plenty of nitemares the past 7 mos around here trying to go thru the new changes, then trying to shape new congregational areas with fights & headaches...

I'm seeing definite agreement here in people wanting PROTECTION FROM OUR MODS in not letting problem child's get an upper hand & start causing troubles here.
& refusing to step in & do some warning or steering the threads back to where they need to be, locking them down for cool off periods or closing them, or whatever.

That happened in the conservative area when our threads got too hot - they just did 24 hour kool off lockdowns & it worked pretty well. (till the next day ^_^ )
j/k =0)~

But let's face it, people are bonafied experts in staying within the rules to make rude, hostile and harrassing posts to attack people etc. I see it all the time. That's what bugs me - mods end up having to throw their hands up & say "well they didn't break a rule", so they end up letting people get run over. So, at least a lockdown could help.

[Cris413]

LOL felt & bubble wrap!! Yessssssss! lol

speaking of being 2 again.... k, this is something I SHOULD know, but...... I don't.
What exactly is a troll & what are you doing to feed them? Are they like trouble makers who are baiting us? Apparently...Trolls are snacks (that taste good with a little ketchup)...but bite back...or...trouble makers that bait us...;)

And I actually agree with you that I kind of don't mind what they end up doing. As long as our mods will protect us ND peoples.... and our SOF is tight, it probly won't be as bad as I'm bracing myself for. :thumbsup:

I'm just so gunshy with all the horrific things I've been involved in trying to fix around here thru all these landmines dropped on us lately, that I'm just dreading what might happen if we lose our protection. I don't blame ya one lil bit for being gun-shy sister. :hug:

You may be suffering from PTFDS...Post Traumatic Forum Distress Syndrome :eek:

[HypnoToad]

is the SOF covering it so that they still can't debate on SOF topics like trinity?
The forum guidelines cover the whole forum. By default, that would include any subforums unless specifically stated otherwise in the guidelines.

[Nadiine]

Apparently...Trolls are snacks (that taste good with a little ketchup)...but bite back...or...trouble makers that bait us...;)

:thumbsup:

I don't blame ya one lil bit for being gun-shy sister. :hug:

You may be suffering from PTFDS...Post Traumatic Forum Distress Syndrome :eek:
CALL UP MIRIAM WEBSTER, WE HAVE A NEW TERM TO BE ADDED!

rofl - and :amen: AMEN:amen:

[Cris413]

Mat 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Nadiine...:hug:

I think this is something we should all keep in mind as we navigate these forums...and this world...

('cause it's gonna get worse) :sigh:


Praise our awesome God in all things...He has it totally under control....:clap: :amen:

[Cris413]

ooops...I don't mean to derail the thread...:blush:

Back on topic...Do we have any specifics regarding the subforum...I personally would still like to see something cohesive in one post to make a decision...

Thanks!

[Nadiine]

Mat 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Nadiine...:hug:

I think this is something we should all keep in mind as we navigate these forums...and this world...

('cause it's gonna get worse) :sigh:


Praise our awesome God in all things...He has it totally under control....:clap: :amen:

awe thank you, those are such a blessing to read. It really does amaze me how God is able to protect us from getting personally wounded by the chronic attacks on our faith/beliefs & personal insults.
They just roll off, praise God:clap:

"If they hated me, they will hate you - no servant is greater than his master".

We serve a Great God!! (worth a short derail) :amen:

[MaidforHim]

That's how I understand it is to work.


You'd be fine. We discussed a ways back that other icons (like the generic "Christian" or "Protestant") would still be allowed. Yours may be a more specific organization, but it's still non-denominational.
Thank you for the clarification.

I think the subforum would be a nice addition.

[MaidforHim]

I think we as ND's (who do belong here first & foremost) should be given some preference in protection as to how our mods allow us to be treated in our own forum.
If it gets nasty, I hope they step in for us & throw some authority around so we don't get run over by skeptics, trolls & whoever else.

Non ND's still have the entire Theology area to debate in, so if they want to debate stuff that's in our SOF, they can go there to ask or attack instead.

(that's how I see things for now --).

I remember some posts a while back that were so bad I was praying for someone to ban some of the individuals involved. It can go so far beyond reasonable debate sometimes.

At the same time I know I have had questions about other denominations, our differences, why they exist etc and it is nice to be able to ask those questions in the forums that allow it.

I hope we can find a nice balance here where seekers can ask questions and we can answer and even have healthy debate without mean spirited attacks or liberal extremists and atheists coming in to do nothing more than try to disprove our faith etc.

I personally like the idea of having 2 forums, 1 that is for Non-d's only and a sub- forum where other denoms or seekers can inquire, and respectfully debate.

Although it sounds good on paper and after much thought I voted yes, I would hate to see our forum be turned into a war zone. I like what Nadine says about the SoF being in place and debating it being better suited for the theology area.

Question:
If it didn't work out well and turned out to be more of a burden than a benefit, couldn't we just get rid of it? :confused:

Maybe I should have voted "maybe" LOL ^_^

[Nadiine]

I remember some posts a while back that were so bad I was praying for someone to ban some of the individuals involved. It can go so far beyond reasonable debate sometimes.

At the same time I know I have had questions about other denominations, our differences, why they exist etc and it is nice to be able to ask those questions in the forums that allow it.

I hope we can find a nice balance here where seekers can ask questions and we can answer and even have healthy debate without mean spirited attacks or liberal extremists and atheists coming in to do nothing more than try to disprove our faith etc.

I personally like the idea of having 2 forums, 1 that is for Non-d's only and a sub- forum where other denoms or seekers can inquire, and respectfully debate.

Although it sounds good on paper and after much thought I voted yes, I would hate to see our forum be turned into a war zone and like what Nadine says about the SoF being in place and debating it being better suited for the theology area.

Question:
If it didn't work out well and turned out to be more of a burden than a benefit, couldn't we just get rid of it? :confused:

Maybe I should have voted "maybe" LOL ^_^
Thankfully, they have said the SOF is going to be in place over the entire ND forum - that includes all subforums we have.

And yes, this is the problem -- I've been in PLENTY of other forum sections to see horrific attacks on good Christians WITHIN THE RULES OF THE FORUM.
We all know how to be mean, nasty & spiteful without breaking one formal rule.
Sorry, but we all know it happens! Sometimes, it's just sheer numbers of skeptics & dissenters who overrun you right out of your own forum!

That's the type of crap I'm concerned about if we open up the main forum to all this, and I know it will happen.

All I can say is this, Mods have full authority to lockdown threads that go hostile & combative even if 'rules' aren't formally broken.
OR they can step into the thread & make a comment of warning that if the strife continues, the thread will be shut down, etc.
OR warn them that if they continue being combative, THEY WILL BE BANNED FROM THE ND SECTION or suspended for a week.
Heck, shut it down then! I don't care. That is how we can be protected when they know how to get around rules.

ps. my bold red was so a mod will see it & know what I am requesting as to protection for us when they harrass us while bypassing formal rules. ;) :cool:

[MaidforHim]

That's the type of crap I'm concerned about if we open up the main forum to all this, and I know it will happen.

Ok, you can officially put me back on the "confused" list.

They are going to open up the "main" forum to any and all outside the N-D members? I think I need to re-read this thread from the beginning.

Can I change my vote to "other"?
:scratch:

[Cris413]

Ok, you can officially put me back on the "confused" list.

They are going to open up the "main" forum to any and all outside the N-D members? I think I need to re-read this thread from the beginning.

Can I change my vote to "other"?
:scratch:
I'm not sure reading through the thread again would help you much sister...:confused: that's pretty much how I got confused in the first place...:o

this is why we're asking for a cohesive discription of the subforum...the status of the Membership List and how it all applies to the main forum and to the proposed subforum....

...in one post would be helpful to make an informed decision...

[Nadiine]

Ok, you can officially put me back on the "confused" list.

They are going to open up the "main" forum to any and all outside the N-D members? I think I need to re-read this thread from the beginning.

Can I change my vote to "other"?
:scratch:

Well, I had asked if the mods (who have been talking about removing our membership listing to open up the section (originally)), if we couldn't maybe just start with a nonmember debate Subforum and see how that area goes first.
Kind of seeing if our Statement of Faith (SOF) would be enough to keep it from getting ugly in there. & if the subforum stayed civil & lively, then it would probly be a good indication that our main forum won't get wiped out by constant skeptic attacks etc. on every single thread.

You can lose your ability to just enjoy fellowship when it's all opened up to debate; every thread becomes fair game.

So I was kicking around possible ideas - for either thing they might do: open up the main forum & not have a debate subforum - or, just open up a debate subforum for nonmembers & keep our main forum as it is - a membership that only members can debate in - & open to fellowship only posts by nonmember.
(head starting to spin LOL)...

But anyways, I was wanting to know from the mods before I vote, what exactly all the perameters were for the ND forum; their details or ideas of what they want.

What the subforum rules would be. We do know the SOF will be in place, so they can't be attacking the Trinity or the inspiration of the Bible. So there will be some limitations on what they can debate in ND. (which is fine, becuz if they want to do those topics, let them go to Theology forum & do it elsewhere).

So I was just waiting to find out if they're basically planning on removing our membership list. If so, then I don't see as we need a subforum for it when they can debate in the main area.

I'd just like to know what limitations & rules they're planning for ND in general.:scratch: :confused:

[Cris413]

Yep...some info would be quite helpful...:thumbsup:

[stone]

Does not a subforum create a "split" in the forum? perhaps section would have been a better choice of words.



It's an addition to the forum, not a split.

[DerSchweik]

I vote "Yes"

Details are always an issue, but the key goal and function is valid and IMO worthwhile. Can work out the details and any issues that arise as they occur.

God bless!

[stone]

It looks like maybe we should have the details spelled out in one post so people know how to vote?

Not to be a pain, but can we have the specifics listed about the subforum?



etc.
:blush: :sorry: sorry

done, and its going to be opened to other christians for now, not non-christians. We need to see how it goes with only other christians 1st.

After 3 months of a trial run and if all is successful we can talk about maybe opening up for non-christians.

[Nadiine]

done, and its going to be opened to other christians for now, not non-christians. We need to see how it goes with only other christians 1st.

After 3 months of a trial run and if all is successful we can talk about maybe opening up for non-christians.
sounds fine by me. I think a trial run is safe and it will probly save you guys (mods) extra work in case you'de have to go and undo all the new changes --- AGAIN.
lol:sorry:

Hey, I'd like to drop a note for you guys too - thanks for your hard work here. We do appreciate it. We're all trying to make this area a good one and sometimes that causes some extra work & irritations.

But we appreciate your time & efforts here on our behalf.
:hug: :clap:

[Nadiine]

K, I'm going to vote YES :thumbsup: now. :idea:

ROFL :P

[stone]

thanks for your hard work here. :hug: :clap:




Thank you! :hug:

Nd staff appreciates your kind words.

[IamRedeemed]

My experience in other areas that did this, as soon as a non-member posted in one of our member debates, the mods moved it to the debate subforum instead of dealing with the non-member debating, which defeated the purpose of talking with members on a topic to begin with and caused a lot of problems.

I would not like to see that happen here. :sigh:


Depends on what you mean.

If we're removing ALL debates and puting them there, regardless if the thread is just members, then no.

If you actually mean a subforum for non-member participation, then sure.

It would be for non-member participation.

[HypnoToad]

My experience in other areas that did this, as soon as a non-member posted in one of our member debates, the mods moved it to the debate subforum instead of dealing with the non-member debating, which defeated the purpose of talking with members on a topic to begin with and caused a lot of problems.

I would not like to see that happen here. :sigh:

I really doubt that would happen here. There's no reason to allow non-members to hijack a member discussion into an open discussion whenever they feel like it. I'm fairly confident the other mods here would agree.

[IamRedeemed]

:thumbsup: Sounds good!

PS... thanks for such a fassssst reply! : )


I really doubt that would happen here. There's no reason to allow non-members to hijack a member discussion into an open discussion whenever they feel like it. I don't believe the other mods here would see it any different.

[HypnoToad]

PS... thanks for such a fassssst reply! : )

No problem - just happened in at the right time. :cool:

We can change your vote if you want, ask any of the mods.

[IamRedeemed]

Well, if it becomes a swing vote, and you need it
you can change it. :P

My "other" was explained and you alleviated my
concern, so it would be easily justified. :thumbsup:

No problem - just happened in at the right time. :cool:

We can change your vote if you want, ask any of the mods.

[Cris413]

When does the poll close?

[stone]

It'll close in a few minutes.

[Cris413]

It'll close in a few minutes.
LOL...thanks Stone...guess I better make up my mind and vote then...:pink:

[MaidforHim]

done, and its going to be opened to other christians for now, not non-christians. We need to see how it goes with only other christians 1st.

After 3 months of a trial run and if all is successful we can talk about maybe opening up for non-christians.

This makes it sound very good, so I am sticking with my yes vote. :thumbsup:

[stone]

My experience in other areas that did this, as soon as a non-member posted in one of our member debates, the mods moved it to the debate subforum instead of dealing with the non-member debating, which defeated the purpose of talking with members on a topic to begin with and caused a lot of problems.

I would not like to see that happen here. :sigh:


I think a good solution to that problem could be to copy the thread and put one copy in the debate sub-forum and leave the original in the Members only main forum.

[stone]

The sub-forum is in the works now, so i'm closing this.

Thank you to everyone for your participation.

:wave: