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spiritlead
5th December 2007, 12:25 AM
The Prehistoric Angelic Conflict

Satan's Fall

Satan was the keeper of the Throne Room, the highest ranking angel of God until he sinned with arrogant ambition and rebelled. Satan's fall is portrayed by the fall of the king of Babylon, which is described in Isaiah. Although the description is not of Satan, it corresponds precisely to Satan.
Isaiah 14:12-14
12 "How you have fallen from heaven,
You star of light (morning star), sun of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have laid low the nations!
13 "But you said in your heart,
'I will ascend into heaven (throne room);
I will raise my throne above the stars (Elect Angels) of God,
And I will sit in the summit assembly
In the recesses of the north.
14 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.'Satan fell because he sinned and rebelled against God. He portrayed himself as the Morning Star, even though the Morning Star symbolizes the Lord Jesus Christ. When Satan was sent from Heaven, he was banished to the earth. Satan's ambition was to ascend to the Throne of God in the Throne Room where he worked. He was full of arrogant ambition and wanted to raise his throne (i.e. ascend the throne) above the other angels. He wanted to preside over the summit assembly, the convocation of angels over which the Lord presides. The throne of God is in the north. Satan's ambition was to make himself like the Most High God. He appealed to the woman in the Garden with the same argument. He told her that if she ate of the forbidden fruit that she would be as smart as God.

Satan's fall is also described in Revelation. When Satan rebelled he carried a third of the angels with him. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (Revelation 12:9, NAS)The fall of Satan is represented as Capricorn, the Goat, on the zodiac.
The Prehistoric Angelic Conflict

When Satan rebelled, there was war in Heaven between the Elect Angels of God and Satan and the fallen angels.
Revelation 12:7-8
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.Satan and his angels were thrown out of Heaven down to the earth. They had their wings clipped.

The war in Heaven was the Prehistoric Angelic Conflict, which is depicted in the signs of the zodiac as Sagittarius, the Archer, fighting Scorpio, the Scorpion. Scorpio represents the devil while Sagittarius represents the Elect Angels of God. Satan's Trial

Satan and the fallen angels were given an opportunity similar to the opportunity for Salvation, which they rejected. They already had Eternal Life. The only issue was where they would spend eternity, in Heaven or in the Lake of Fire. After the angels were given an opportunity to choose, Satan convinced a third of them to reject God's offer. The question has been asked, "Did they know they were going to the Lake of Fire if they rejected the offer?" The answer is obviously yes. They were no different than people today who know they are going to hell and yet continue to refuse the free gift of Salvation.

After God's offer was rejected, a trial was held for Satan and the fallen angels. They were prosecuted and sentenced to the Lake of Fire (Matthew 25:41). The trial is symbolized by the sign of Libra, the Scales, on the zodiac. After the sentence was passed, Satan appealed the decision, and God accepted the appeal. The human race was created to provide witnesses for the appeal trial. http://www.biblenews1.com/pictures/linecolo.gif

SWigton87
5th December 2007, 01:04 PM
I'm sorry but I can't help but label this theology as unbiblical. The Zodiac is not a Godly creation. Astrology originated in ancient Babylon and the Law and Prophets make a plethera of comands to avoid the practice. Also, Revelation 12 is yet to happen. That war is in the future. There was no real war. Some people consider Satan temping Eve to sin his rebellion. You probably don't need, or want me to really get into that. Please reconsider your stance on the zodiac... God didn't give us the liberty to formulate our beliefs on anything other than His Word. I'll pray that God blesses us both with learning so that we can be closer to Christ. Amen?

stone
5th December 2007, 01:07 PM
I've found that this scripture here explains to me that 1/3 of the angels of heaven:

Ge 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

-it makes clear that both satan and Eve will have seed. It would have been a prophecy spoken at the time before man was exiled to the earth.

stone
5th December 2007, 01:10 PM
I'm sorry but I can't help but label this theology as unbiblical. The Zodiac is not a Godly creation. Astrology originated in ancient Babylon and the Law and Prophets make a plethera of comands to avoid the practice. Also, Revelation 12 is yet to happen. That war is in the future. There was no real war. Some people consider Satan temping Eve to sin his rebellion. You probably don't need, or want me to really get into that. Please reconsider your stance on the zodiac... God didn't give us the liberty to formulate our beliefs on anything other than His Word. I'll pray that God blesses us both with learning so that we can be closer to Christ. Amen?

I don't see this as teaching astrology, he's only using the images to help make his point about what is said in scriptures about the war that may have already begun.

MichaelTheeArchAngel
5th December 2007, 09:23 PM
I've found that this scripture here explains to me that 1/3 of the angels of heaven:

Ge 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

-it makes clear that both satan and Eve will have seed. It would have been a prophecy spoken at the time before man was exiled to the earth. I have tried many times, telling Christians that much of the scripture is alegorical and parabolic to what is to take place here on earth and mankind. The scripture that you quoted is proof of that. Salvation in the Kingdom of God has never been an issue. It only has to do with human beings. Hebrews 12:22. But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23. to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven.

MichaelTheeArchAngel
5th December 2007, 09:31 PM
Luke 17:20. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21. nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is among you."

IisJustMe
5th December 2007, 09:32 PM
I have tried many times, telling Christians that much of the scripture is alegorical and parabolic to what is to take place here on earth and mankind.The last days are literal in meaning, though often that meaning is presented allegorically or in figurative language. Nonetheless, the Scriptures are absolute in their clarity and meaning for man's life on this earth and his destiny beyond this life. As to "heaven," the context is what determines the meaning of the Hebrew word shamayim or the Greek ouranos as meaning the sky, or the place of abode of the stars, or the location of God's throne. There is no definition of either that indicates it means "places." It does, however, describe three different "places" depending on its contextual basis.

spiritlead
6th December 2007, 12:27 AM
I have tried many times, telling Christians that much of the scripture is alegorical and parabolic to what is to take place here on earth and mankind. The scripture that you quoted is proof of that. Salvation in the Kingdom of God has never been an issue. It only has to do with human beings. Hebrews 12:22. But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23. to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven.

Amen, We are in the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of God, the kingdom now, in the Spirit, is that what you mean?

Also you said heaven was place's. Could you explain further

MichaelTheeArchAngel
6th December 2007, 02:31 AM
The last days are literal in meaning, though often that meaning is presented allegorically or in figurative language. Nonetheless, the Scriptures are absolute in their clarity and meaning for man's life on this earth and his destiny beyond this life. As to "heaven," the context is what determines the meaning of the Hebrew word shamayim or the Greek ouranos as meaning the sky, or the place of abode of the stars, or the location of God's throne. There is no definition of either that indicates it means "places." It does, however, describe three different "places" depending on its contextual basis. I agree with you.

MichaelTheeArchAngel
6th December 2007, 02:41 AM
Amen, We are in the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of God, the kingdom now, in the Spirit, is that what you mean?

Also you said heaven was place's. Could you explain further The word heaven is literal. Simply put place-s. It can be the earth, the sea, the sky, or under the earth, and even the stars above. It is also understood that Gods kingdom is a place that existed before the creation of this universe. The problem with correctly understanding the bible is always the question of literal, symbolic, or both.