I have a question regarding the Greek word in this passage.

[WarriorAngel]

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LLJ said
One other question. Why did JESUS proclaim to the Apostles that He would be with them only until the "end of the age"? :eek:

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Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to be keeping all as much as I direct to ye.
And behold!, I with ye am all the days, till the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age/aiwnoV <165>. Amen"

Hebrews 9:26 Since it was binding Him many-times to be suffering from according-casting of world, now yet once, upon together-finish/sun-teleia <4930> of the Ages/aiwnwn <165> into putting-away of Sin thru the sacrifice of Him, He has been manifested.

[WarriorAngel]

LLJ is asserting that Jesus did not stay with the Church and will NOT continue to stay with the Church until the consummation of time aka world.

Which is correct?
Did Jesus leave His Church when the Apostles died...
Or did He say until the world ended or time ended?

[Jacob4707]

The question does not make sense. What part of "all the days until the consummation/completion of the age" suggests that after this age ends, Jesus goes away? Each author/passage has to be seen in its own context. Just because the author of Hebrews uses the same phrase as Matthew does not mean that it means the same thing. Look at Matthew's 5 uses of suntelia [tou] aiônos - 13:39, 13:40, 13:49, 24:3, 28:20. They all refer to the end of all things at Jesus's return. Hebrews 9:26 uses the phrase to mean the timeframe/era of the author and his readers (similar to St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:11 saying that he and they are those upon whom have come the telê (from telos) tôn aiônôn).

[ConanTheLibrarian]

I am not a Greek scholar, not do I play one on TV, but it is rather clear that Jesus is promising to be with us until the end of time.

[WarriorAngel]

The question does not make sense. What part of "all the days until the consummation/completion of the age" suggests that after this age ends, Jesus goes away? Each author/passage has to be seen in its own context. Just because the author of Hebrews uses the same phrase as Matthew does not mean that it means the same thing. Look at Matthew's 5 uses of suntelia [tou] aiônos - 13:39, 13:40, 13:49, 24:3, 28:20. They all refer to the end of all things at Jesus's return. Hebrews 9:26 uses the phrase to mean the timeframe/era of the author and his readers (similar to St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:11 saying that he and they are those upon whom have come the telê (from telos) tôn aiônôn).

I would love to either be allowed to quote you, with permission, or to ask you to post that.
Thank you.

I am not a Greek scholar, not do I play one on TV, but it is rather clear that Jesus is promising to be with us until the end of time.
I dont play one on tv either. Tough luck I think...they make alot of money. ;)

I believe as much as well. Until everything ends... He remains with His Church, His ppl.

GH...er I mean GT is a tough crowd.

Thanks again, Jacob. :hug:

[Theophorus]

"See also how He mentioned the end so as to arouse in them disdain for these calamities. Do not be downcast, He says, for all things will have an end, both worldly sorrows and worldly joys. Do not be oppressed by sorrows for they will pass, and do not be deceived by good things, for they too, will come to an end. His promise to be with them was not made only to the apostles, but to all His disciples. For of course the apostles would not live unto the end. He makes this promise even unto us, and to those after us, not that He would be with us until the end, and then and then after the end He would depart from us -- far from it! For it is rather from that moment on that He will be with us ever more clearly and distinctly. For the word "until", wherever it occures in scripture, does not exclude the things that come after.

Blessed Theophylact on Matt 28:20

He spoke Greek.

[WarriorAngel]

"See also how He mentioned the end so as to arouse in them disdain for these calamities. Don not be downcast, He says, for all things will have an end, both worldly sorrows and worldly joys. Do not be opressed by sorrows for they will pass, and do not be deceived by good things, for they too, will come to an end. His promise to be with them was not made only to the apostles, but to all His disciples. For of sourse the apostles would not live unto the end. He makes this promise even unto us, and to those after us, not that He would be with us until the end, and then and then after the end He would depart from us -- far from it! For it is rather from that moment on that He will be with us ever more clearly and disticntly. For the word "until", wherever it occures in scripture, does not exclude the things that come after.

Blessed Theophylact on Matt 28:20

He spoke Greek.
I think somewhere it is written that also He does stay with us in the Eucharist.

Maybe I err.

[Jacob4707]

I would love to either be allowed to quote you, with permission, or to ask you to post that.
Thank you.


I dont play one on tv either. Tough luck I think...they make alot of money. ;)

I believe as much as well. Until everything ends... He remains with His Church, His ppl.

GH...er I mean GT is a tough crowd.

Thanks again, Jacob. :hug:

Well, since nothing (or very little) that any of us write on this forum is copyrighted, there is nothing to prevent anyone from copying what someone writes and posting it or referencing it elsewhere. So, be my guest!

[Theophorus]

I think somewhere it is written that also He does stay with us in the Eucharist.

Maybe I err.

Well, there is Melchizedek , who prefigured or was the Logos offering bread and wine. Taken with the singular "hiereus" in Hebrews being Christ.

[WarriorAngel]

Well, there is Melchizedek , who prefigured or was the Logos offering bread and wine. Taken with the singular "hiereus" in Hebrews being Christ.
:wave: I could have read an ECF who said this. Thanks.

I will have to look for it sometime.
It drives me crazy when i remember, but not specifically. :)

[Theophorus]

:wave: I could have read an ECF who said this. Thanks.

I will have to look for it sometime.
It drives me crazy when i remember, but not specifically. :)

I'm the same way. Concepts and principles stick, and then I scramble to remember the source.

[buzuxi02]

Christ sent the all-Holy Spirit to guide the Church. And as the Lord teaches "Where two or Three are gathered together in my name, i am in the midst of them (Matt 18.20)

Hope this clears up any confusion.