Image in Window

[the_Abbot]

I hope you guys don't think I am crazy. Anyways Thursday night my mom noticed an image in the window in the house. I went and looked at it and there is a face in the window. I tried to take pictures, but the face wasn't visible. Today we took a video of the face and I want to show you guys and tell me what you think? As some of you know my dad passed away a few weeks ago and maybe it's him but I dont think it looks like him, maybe when he was younger. I dont know.

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/?action=view&current=Imageinwindow.flv

[Orthosdoxa]

:eek:

I don't think you're crazy. I don't know what to think.

Are you under the care of a priest at all? I'd probably be asking him what he thinks!

[the_Abbot]

No I dont have a priest or attend Church yet

[Orthosdoxa]

May I show it to my priest?

[the_Abbot]

Yes and please let me know what he says. I would really appreciate it.

[Knowledge3]

It looks like a thermal/residual imprint.

[Orthosdoxa]

K3 could be right, but that really does look rather strange. I did email my priest and I will reproduce his answer here when I get it - he usually answers within 24 hours.

[the_Abbot]

Thank you very much. When you see it in person it looks just like a smudge that your hand would make when touching glass. But when you look at it up close the image has everything like a human face. You can even see eyebrows and eyelashes on it.

[Orthosdoxa]

Hey, can I show this to my mommy board? (not a Christian board per se, but with some Christians there). They've been talking about the paranormal recently. I bet they'd be interested.

[the_Abbot]

Yes

[repentant]

It looks like someone pressed their face up against the glass. Did you try to wipe it? I think the question is who did it. Did someone break into your house or something?

[Orthosdoxa]

I'll let you know what they say. :)

Honestly, it might just be someone had their face smooshed up against the glass. My hubby said to just Windex it. (And if it comes back, you'll know! :eek: ) I certainly don't think you're crazy for at least wondering, though. There was a time in my life, I would've, but I had some extremely weird experiences while I was inquiring into the Church - and thank God, my priest at that time didn't dismiss me or call me an idiot. He believed me, and came and sprinkled holy water in my house and blessed it - and the weird stuff stopped. So while it may be nothing, I don't just dismiss this stuff out of hand, either. There are definitely presences at work in this world that we can't see, both good and bad.

[the_Abbot]

No one broke into the house and that image dont belong to any body that lives here. The only people that live here is my mom, my son, and myself. I asked my son when we first saw the image if he pressed his face against it and he said no and I believe him, because he is scared of it. I do believe it is his hand marks that are on the glass due to him always touching it. I just dont understand how it looks so human. I would index it, but I think it is bringing comfort to my mom at this time after my dads death. She thinks it looks like him when he was around 30 years old or so. I am looking forward to what your priest says and from that I will show my mom.

[repentant]

Did you try to wipe it yet?

[Theophorus]

Hmm...

It's the face of some ape type thing.

Here we see that it is not " in the window" as the ceiling fan passes in front of the image.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/ape1.jpg

Here even more, the lights of the fan eclipse the image.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/ape2.jpg

Here is the face that you should really be concerned about. :P

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/face.jpg

So, how did you do it?

[Theophorus]

my apologies for whoever I called an ape, but really...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/ape_appology.jpg

[the_Abbot]

It is in the window. I dont know if it is a face of an ape or not, but I am not lying when I say me, my mom or my son did this as kind of prank which you are implying. Ha "the face I should really be concerned about" is the kid that was filming it with his camera.

The image can be seen with the light and fan off also.

[the_Abbot]

You know I came here in all seriousness about this and now I am being insulted.

[repentant]

It is definitly the side of a face pressed into the window. The question is who did it..

[the_Abbot]

That is a good question if thats what it is. Because if someone pressed their face to the window it was someone that didnt belong in the house and there is always someone home.

[repentant]

Abbott, that is what it is. You can tell it is the side of the face. You cannot make an impression of the front, because of your nose. You can see in the image that the nose if seen from a more to the side view, and also the big gaps from the nose to the eye, and lip. It is like someone put the front side of their face and rolled it to the ear.

[the_Abbot]

I really hope that is what it is.

[the_Abbot]

"I really hope that is what it is"

Wow that is some bad grammar

[Theophorus]

You know I came here in all seriousness about this and now I am being insulted.


It could be a transparency on the lens or a reflection that would be obscured by the lights. But that does not explain why the image blocks out the clock.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/clock.jpg

[the_Abbot]

I wish someone could come and see it in person. If any of you guys live in South Florida I would be more than happy to invite you so see it for your self so you know I am not trying to scam you guys and know I am not lying.

[Theophorus]

I wish someone could come and see it in person. If any of you guys live in South Florida I would be more than happy to invite you so see it for your self so you know I am not trying to scam you guys and know I am not lying.

OK OK,

Check this out.

Here is a shot of the "scary face" moving around the ceiling fan lights. It seems as though the fore head of the tiny face reflects the lights of the cieling fan as it moves. look.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/reflection2.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/reflection1.jpg

It's not in the glass from this perspective, which is far creepier.

[the_Abbot]

I think that tiny face is the kid next door that used his camera to film the face in the window, because that looks like that was the angle he would of been standing at.

[Theophorus]

but then again, the light is reflecting off the image of the camera man, by your own admission. Why does the image move exactly in proportion to the one filming?

[repentant]

That is not another "tiny face" it's an eyebrow and a forehead. It changes its look from different angles because of the reflection of light.

Abbot, I personally am not trying to discredit you in anyway. Saying that, I don't think it is spectre in nature either. Someone (living) did it, you just need to find out who. The reason I said maybe someone broke in is because in the dark, they may have not seen the door, and ran into it face first..but since you say someone is always home, then I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know why you had to criticized my bad grammar, which I already acknowledge I have...

swab it, and run dna..I am sure you can get some epithelials out of it, or saliva...

[the_Abbot]

I have no idea. That's why I came here, because this something I can not explain.

The only people in the house have denied pressing their face to the window. When my brother came over to see it he said it must be my son that did it, but my son denies it. I am going to post a picture of him and maybe you guys will be able to tell if his face mashed against the window would look like that.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/Yovon.jpg

I really hope it was him, but I tend to believe him in this situation. He may have done it sometime without realising it or remembering, but who know.

[Theophorus]

That is not another "tiny face" it's an eyebrow and a forehead. It changes its look from different angles because of the reflection of light.
.


It's a "tiny face" if I ever saw one. ...and I have. :D

[the_Abbot]

Sorry I wasn't criticizing your grammar I was criticizing mine when I said "I really hope that is what it is". It just dont sound right to me. I would never criticize someone elses grammar especially on a message board when sometimes we post so fast and not pay attention.

[repentant]

Matches his lips...what is the height of the image? And how tall is he?

[Theophorus]

I have no idea. That's why I came here, because this something I can not explain.

The only people in the house have denied pressing their face to the window. When my brother came over to see it he said it must be my son that did it, but my son denies it. I am going to post a picture of him and maybe you guys will be able to tell if his face mashed against the window would look like that.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/Yovon.jpg

I really hope it was him, but I tend to believe him in this situation. He may have done it sometime without realising it or remembering, but who know.

No, I don't think it was your son. The profile does not fit.

[Theophorus]

Do you really think the "tiny face" is the one filming?

[the_Abbot]

Do you really think the "tiny face" is the one filming?

I sure hope so. Just the original image has me freaked a little bit and now there is a tiny head floating around. But yeah I think that is the kid though.

[the_Abbot]

My sons height would be somewhere around the height of the image.

[repentant]

There is no "tiny face".

And I think it was your son...

edit:

My sons height would be somewhere around the height of the image.

Like I said...

[the_Abbot]

I hope you are right Repentant

[Theophorus]

There is no "tiny face".

And I think it was your son...

edit:



Like I said...

Just went out on the deck and made a face print. It was not eclipsed by the overhead light, and it did not eclipse the thermostat on the wall behind it.

Will test tomorrow in the dark when my son gets home with the video camera.

[repentant]

I am pretty sure I am. Either he did it and doesn't remember, or thinks he will get in trouble now. His lips match, and according to you, the height matches, it has to be. Either way, it is human in origin. A "non human" imprint like that wouldn't just so happen to be missing the same parts of the face that a human with a nose could not do...

[Theophorus]

I will approach this in an apophatic fashion. Testing what it is not.


pending (though I have my suspicions)

[repentant]

It's the child...

[Theophorus]

BTW, does anyone have the ability to save a .flv? I am away from my regular PC. Please save it for me.

[Theophorus]

It's the child...

I'm a cynic.

But I try....

[repentant]

What do you think it is Theo? Just wondering what you are getting at..

[RebeccatheGreat]

it looks like the face of a grown man to me,not a child.
I went through some really freaky stuff as a kid and this gave me the same creepy feeling.
the only way to ever know is to clean the glass.just clean the glass.
please.

[repentant]

Its a kid..the height of the image, according to Abbot, matches. And the size of the face to the proportion to the size of the windows panes say it is a youner person...smaller face

[the_Abbot]

My son spent the night at his friends house tonight. I am going to ask him to press his face to the window and see how it comes out tomorow.

[RebeccatheGreat]

Its a kid..the height of the image, according to Abbot, matches. And the size of the face to the proportion to the size of the windows panes say it is a youner person...smaller face

well that kid needs a shave and a haircut.
it looks to me like he has a kind of goatee and longer hair but you can barely make that out.also the mouth is shaped like it has bad teeth or something.
I realize that sounds ridiculous.I've got to quit looking at it.:help:

if the kid doesn't measure up,are you going to try washing it off?
it just looks 2 dimensional at times to me,I don't know.

[repentant]

There is no facial hair present..it is a smooth image..

[buzuxi02]

I dont know if its a smudge or a spectre, but its definately a face. Its not a random stain. And to make a smudge like that, the person has to have a really greasy dirty face.

[the_Abbot]

I am going to see if my mom will let me clean it off. It is her house so I dont just want to do it. i will find out tomorow if I can clean it and see what happens.

[RebeccatheGreat]

ok,also you can see the teeth.how do you leave teeth impressions on glass? maybe scummy teeth would from a front angle,but these are from the side.

[the_Abbot]

Where do you see the teeth at?

[RebeccatheGreat]

There is no facial hair present..it is a smooth image..
you may be right,but I think I see a scragley beardy thing in the chin region.
I'll give you that one though,maybe he doesn't have one....

and yes,I hope your Mother will allow you to clean it.
if it comes back......*shiver*

[Theophorus]

What do you think it is Theo? Just wondering what you are getting at..

.....I'll wait on that. But i do not think it is a face smudge.

[Theophorus]

I am going to see if my mom will let me clean it off. It is her house so I dont just want to do it. i will find out tomorow if I can clean it and see what happens.

do that.

[RebeccatheGreat]

Where do you see the teeth at?

00:37
the lips are clearly parted and I see teeth when I look closely.and I know I see those.

[Theophorus]

ok,also you can see the teeth.how do you leave teeth impressions on glass? maybe scummy teeth would from a front angle,but these are from the side.


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/teeth.jpg

[RebeccatheGreat]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/teeth.jpg

thank you!

[repentant]

I don't see teeth, there some kind of gap, but doesn't look like teeth. And there is no facial hair.

It's the kid, I'm telling you...

[the_Abbot]

I just dont see my son in that image, but i wont say it is not him because I'm just not sure.

[repentant]

Theophorus are you suggesting that it is some kind of paranormal activity..

[Theophorus]

I don't see teeth, there some kind of gap, but doesn't look like teeth. And there is no facial hair.

It's the kid, I'm telling you...

It's more sinister than that.

[Theophorus]

Theophorus are you suggesting that it is some kind of paranormal activity..

No.

[repentant]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/ape1.jpghttp://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/Yovon.jpg

[repentant]

Ok you said it's not a face smudge, or paranormal activity...so what do you think it is?

[RebeccatheGreat]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/ape1.jpghttp://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/Yovon.jpg

I just don't see any resemblance what so ever.
the boy has a full face,where as the image or whatever it is seems more chisled for lack of a better word.
and surely I'm not the only one seeing teeth?
theo sees them right?

[buzuxi02]

The kid doesnt seem to have that droopy mouth or that chiseled nose, like Rebecca pointed out. Looking at the height and the size of the face, its as if an adult dwarf would leave it.

[Knowledge3]

Like I said, it looks like a thermal/residual imprint because for
something to imprint itself on a solid glass surface has to have a property of heat or moisture.

[repentant]

The lips match. The face is disprorptionate to the real face because the face would have to be rolled to show up like that. Kind of like they do finger prints. Think of it as how Greenland looks 10 times as big as it really is on a flat map.

I don't see teeth. How could teeth be tranfered onto the glass? And there is no paranormal activity behind this to cause teeth to show up..

[repentant]

Take a picture of it, and make a negative image of it..

[the_Abbot]

Take a picture of it, and make a negative image of it..
How do you make a negative image? I have a digital camera can I do it with that?

[flod logic]

I just don't see any resemblance what so ever.
the boy has a full face,where as the image or whatever it is seems more chisled for lack of a better word.
and surely I'm not the only one seeing teeth?
theo sees them right?
I really don't think it could be just a smudge either...it looks a lot more "3D" or something from what I can tell.
I didn't see any teeth myself, though. The rest of the face is at a side/very slightly turned angle, so for those to be teeth, they would be at the wrong angle...I think. :P Looks more like it's just the bottom of the lip or something.

[RebeccatheGreat]

How could teeth be tranfered onto the glass? .

exactly.

[flod logic]

How do you make a negative image? I have a digital camera can I do it with that?
Take a picture with your digital camera and invert the colors in any image editing program. I think even Paint has an option for it.

[repentant]

How do you make a negative image? I have a digital camera can I do it with that?

Programs do it. Just post a picture on here, and I'll do it for you.

[buzuxi02]

The panel of glass on the left side of the face, theres a smudge there as well, can that be a palm print?

[Theophorus]

Ok you said it's not a face smudge, or paranormal activity...so what do you think it is?


The OP said it could not be captured on camera, Only video. The image moves with the camera. It was a reflection of a paused film on the tv or tivo video, captured by someone.

The reason being the dog needed to go out. The music sounds like the typical "background" music to some dvd splash screen that is repeated.

[repentant]

exactly.

Exactly. And it's not a ghost. It is human in origin.

[the_Abbot]

Take a picture with your digital camera and invert the colors in any image editing program. I think even Paint has an option for it.
OK thanks. I will try that tomorow My camera is on the other side of that door and I refuse to go through it at night by myself. i now I am sounding like a sissy, but it does have me freaked out a little bit.

[repentant]

The OP said it could not be captured on camera, Only video. The image moves with the camera. It was a reflection of a paused film on the tv or tivo video, captured by someone.

The reason being the dog needed to go out. The music sounds like the typical "background" music to some dvd splash screen that is repeated.

No it's a smudge of a face. A reflection wouldn't show up like that, and from the background movement, you can see that the image stays in the same spot..

and a negative image would show up on camera I think..

[the_Abbot]

The OP said it could not be captured on camera, Only video. The image moves with the camera. It was a reflection of a paused film on the tv or tivo video, captured by someone.

The reason being the dog needed to go out. The music sounds like the typical "background" music to some dvd splash screen that is repeated.
I am going to try to get a picture of it in daytime. I tried at night and my lenses do not work ggod at night and the flash blocked the image.

[Sacrum Silentium]

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/teeth.jpg

Maybe I'm making it more than it is, but that doesn't look like teeth to me at all. Looks to me like a woman with her head covered, facing left, with her head down, as if she's praying or worrying.

[repentant]

We are all over the place, lol.

[Theophorus]

The panel of glass on the left side of the face, theres a smudge there as well, can that be a palm print?

yes

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/palm.jpg

[the_Abbot]

OK guys I just braved it out and got my camera and took afew pics I am going to upload them now and see if we can see anything.

[RebeccatheGreat]

No it's a smudge of a face. A reflection wouldn't show up like that, and from the background movement, you can see that the image stays in the same spot..

and a negative image would show up on camera I think..

I agree I don't think it's a reflection,but I've also never seen a 2 or 3 dimensional smudge,and as a mother I'm a qualified expert on smudges.
it almost looks like a man is on the other side with his face pressed against the glass.
and I still see teeth.I see what someone said looked like a women with her head covered also, but that's not looking at the whole image as one thing.

[Sacrum Silentium]

Yeah, that's true, but there are two faces to the one big face, so I don't see why 3... things... couldn't show up. This whole thing kinda gives me the chills.

[RebeccatheGreat]

yes

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/palm.jpg

it's a palm print or a nose and moustache.
I'm kidding.

[Theophorus]

it's a palm print or a nose and moustache.
I'm kidding.

The "back ground" music in the video sounds familiar, I just can't place it. I'm searching all of the Jesus films right now.

[the_Abbot]

The "back ground" music in the video sounds familiar, I just can't place it. I'm searching all of the Jesus films right now.
That wouldnt suprise me the TV was on in my moms room and she usually had it on TBN

[repentant]

I couldn't hear anything in the video...

I need to sleep, but I want to see the pics, lol..

[the_Abbot]

They are uploading to photobucket right now

[Theophorus]

That wouldnt suprise me the TV was on in my moms room and she usually had it on TBN

Date and time the video was made?

[Theophorus]

I couldn't hear anything in the video...

I need to sleep, but I want to see the pics, lol..

I'm with you my brother

[the_Abbot]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1512.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1499.jpg

[the_Abbot]

December 1. I dont know the time, but anywhere between 6 - 8 pm I think

[the_Abbot]

I will try to get some more photos up tomorow

[repentant]

Negative..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/cantstopmycrossova/ghostface2.jpg

[repentant]

Wierd..

[Theophorus]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1512.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1499.jpg

Great photos, but who was tripped, or tripping when taking them? It's a different room.

Thanks for the diversion,

Abbot

[the_Abbot]

It is not a different room. It is the same room. I promise.

[Theophorus]

BTW, I hope you are not the ape.

[the_Abbot]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1502-1.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1502-2.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1498.jpg

[the_Abbot]

Why do you insist on trying to insult me?

[Theophorus]

Why do you insist on trying to insult me?

I don't. Show me another picture of the room, from the same angle as the video.

[Theophorus]

So when the video was made, someone was watching either, "hour of power", "billy graham crusade" or "7th street theatre" , "travel the road" ?

[the_Abbot]

I don't. Show me another picture of the room, from the same angle as the video.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1515.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1514.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1513.jpg

i tried to get different angles of the same door.

[buzuxi02]

That looks like a really cool house. That video was so detailed.

[the_Abbot]

So when the video was made, someone was watching either, "hour of power", "billy graham crusade" or "7th street theatre" , "travel the road" ?
I have no idea I don't watch the garbage on that channel

[RebeccatheGreat]

where does the door lead to Abbot?outside or another room?

[the_Abbot]

Another room

[RebeccatheGreat]

well I don't know but I think you've done a good job with pictures and video,and I believe you are being genuine.
I still don't think it is a kid smudge,but I'm wrong on a regular basis,so ....
I don't believe in "ghosts" or "paranormal", but I do know of the things spoken of in scripture.
I still say wipe it off tomorrow and see what happens.take a picture after you do, for those here who will want to see.

[Theophorus]

I'm still not convinced, but blowing up this image seems to disregard all of the amateur tricks.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/stuff.jpg

Are these stills from your video camera? Why the room decor change in one day?

[RebeccatheGreat]

I don't get what you're talking about when you say that Theo.
if you mean the flowers on the table,I just went and watched the video again,and you can see the flowers in the reflection of the glass breifly before the camera zooms in.
please be more specific.
I think since the first was a video camera,and the last were with the digital camera,the veiw,zoom and quality is just different,but I see all the same stuff.
nice house by the way.

[Theophorus]

I don't get what you're talking about when you say that Theo.
if you mean the flowers on the table,I just went and watched the video again,and you can see the flowers in the reflection of the glass breifly before the camera zooms in.
please be more specific.
I think since the first was a video camera,and the last were with the digital camera,the veiw,zoom and quality is just different,but I see all the same stuff.
nice house by the way.

You see all of the lace curtains in the photo and the video?

[RebeccatheGreat]

You see all of the lace curtains in the photo and the video?


I will go back and look again, but I think I already took note of those earlier(why am I even still up?).
I will look at all the erm,evidence again but I think it's just the reflections from the ceiling fan lights at different angles that make them easier to see in some.
I shall look again.

[Theophorus]

I will go back and look again, but I think I already took note of those earlier(why am I even still up?).
I will look at all the erm,evidence again but I think it's just the reflections from the ceiling fan lights at different angles that make them easier to see in some.
I shall look again.

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41205163&postcount=106

[Theophorus]

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w...geinwindow.flv (http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/?action=view&current=Imageinwindow.flv)

[the_Abbot]

I'm still not convinced, but blowing up this image seems to disregard all of the amateur tricks.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/stuff.jpg

Are these stills from your video camera? Why the room decor change in one day?
This picture was taken with my canon 400d. The video was taken by the kid next door with a little digital camera with video capabilities. There is no armature tricks here as you imply. this is just something freaky going on in my house. It doesnt matter if you believe it or not I really don't care. I just wanted some advice to what is happening, because I don't know. You just seem to want to attack me and call me a liar and imply I might look like an ape. it's all good either way though God knows I am tellin the truth.

[RebeccatheGreat]

also,before I go look....I do remember thinking about those curtains earlier and decided the are on the other side of the door (yes or no Abbot?) and that we could see them more clearly earlier because perhaps there was a little light left coming thru the window in the other room before,but not when the stills were shot?
I'll be back.

[Theophorus]

this is a scary close up

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/scarry.jpg

[RebeccatheGreat]

http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w...geinwindow.flv (http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/?action=view&current=Imageinwindow.flv)


gotcha.

I see the white curtains under the dudes chin when the camera zooms in.they are reflected in the glass,so they are behind the cameraman.

[Theophorus]

This picture was taken with my canon 400d. The video was taken by the kid next door with a little digital camera with video capabilities. There is no armature tricks here as you imply. this is just something freaky going on in my house. It doesnt matter if you believe it or not I really don't care. I just wanted some advice to what is happening, because I don't know. You just seem to want to attack me and call me a liar and imply I might look like an ape. it's all good either way though God knows I am tellin the truth.

No I don't want to attack you. I wish to rule out discrepancies and the obvious.

Both you and I have taken the time to post video and images here.

Thx for helping.

[RebeccatheGreat]

in the stills of the door there are lights turned off behind Abbot that were on before or there was still natural light when the video was shot ie no curtains.
I forget,is that what you are questioning?

[the_Abbot]

I am just sorry I brought this thread up here. This is the only place I felt safe talking about, because this is really the ony place on CF I hang out in. If I caused offense for showing this here I am sorry. But please believe me I have pulled no tricks here. I do not no what the image is and I hope it is some king of smudge that just happened to look human. But other wise I have no idea what it is. I just no what I see. And to be honest this image scares me and that why I felt I wanted to share with you guys.

[Theophorus]

in the stills of the door there are lights turned off behind Abbot that were on before when the video was shot ie no curtains.
I forget,is that what you are questioning?


Without reading through the entire thread this is what I noticed.

The camera person was a part of the original image.

The decor of the room changed in one day, not just curtains, but baskets etc.

The camera "young neighbor" person was the tiny face, by admission from Abott. Yet by proof of the recent photos, that were before "unattainable" , tiny face is always present.

:P

[the_Abbot]

I dont know how the decor of the room change I was all show in less than a 24 hour period. I certainly see no changes in the room from the video or the photos I took and I know for a fact there is no changes

[the_Abbot]

Please show me where the tiny face is present in my photos

[RebeccatheGreat]

I never believed in tiny face,I prefer to think of him as eye and brow :sorry:
I still think the baskets and things are just reflected in some shots and not in others. I do not know.I just don't know.
but I don't see what he has to gain by trickery.
I think it is for real.
I think.

[the_Abbot]

I took the pictures and I dont know if it is for real. I dont know what it is. That is why I asked. But there is NO trickery on my part.

[buzuxi02]

well, tomorow just re-enact it with your son. Ask him to reach for the door put the other hand, where it may show a palm print and see if his face will line up with the smudge. If that isnt it, then i dont know how it got there

[RebeccatheGreat]

the only way to know for sure is to see it in person,so lets all meet at Abbots house tomorrow 5:30 ish ?
I'm in the mood for roast Abbot.
roast beef,not roast Abbot....
anyway,it's time for bed.
keep us updated Abbot because we do want to know,and I believe you.

[Orthosdoxa]

WOW! This thread sure took off overnight.

My priest never did email me back - hope he doesn't think I'm nuts for asking. :D I still think it could have been your kid, or one of his friends or something - but I've just learned from hard bought experience not to automatically rule out supernatural phenomena. There are some interesting suggestions here that might help get to the bottom of it.

My hubby and I were talking about this last night, and he had an awesome saying from the Desert Fathers, but he doesn't like CF so he didn't want to bother to post it. :doh: I don't think I can recreate it here, but the basic point of it was that even our holy monks have been fooled as to the origin of things (whether supernatural or not, whether good or evil, etc.) and not to assume anything, just make the sign of the cross and give thanks to God. I'm sure I butchered it, but that was the gist.

St. John Chrysostom says the sign of the cross is our most powerful tool against the enemy. So use it a lot. :) And even if the face is nothing, it's good for you anyway.

[ma2000]

The simplest thing to do is to try to wipe a portion of it... If you can smudge it then it's clear it's a face imprint.
The "tiny face" is an eyebrow. Our minds can play tricks on us sometimes.
I don't think it's your son's fault. But I don't think it's something supernatural either.
If it's a face imprint, you can look at the window with a magnifying glass and see some grease residue.

Maybe you should call the cops to take DNA and/or fingerprints samples.

And.... Try to videotape it from the other side of the window.

[Thekla]

it is interesting that as the camera shifts position, the pattern of light (reflected) shifts somewhat, too. At one point, the entire cheek is bright

[Theophorus]

I dont know how the decor of the room change I was all show in less than a 24 hour period. I certainly see no changes in the room from the video or the photos I took and I know for a fact there is no changes

Abott, come on. Look at these three pictures. The crystal hanging off the ceiling fan is missing in the video. The video shows a window with a bare white frame. the photos show lace curtains. Btw, what is that floor screen in the background of the video in front of the window.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor1.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor3.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor2.jpg

[repentant]

Yea, whats up with the curtains?

[the_Abbot]

the fan is a reflection of the fan in kitchen which has lights hanging down on it. The other room does not have a fan, but has a chandelier which you can see on that bottom 2 picture. Either way I am done with this. I know what I posted regardless if you guys want to believe it or not. I cant prove it any more than what I have shown. Good bye

[the_Abbot]

Yea, whats up with the curtains?
the curtains are hangin on a window in that room. It's really not that complicated.

[Orthosdoxa]

Don't be mad, Abbot. You have some skeptics, and some who are less skeptical - you'll find that anywhere. I really think you should try to windex it off, and maybe put a little holy water on it (I can send you some if you don't have any). It never hurts to bless your house in any way you can. Still waiting for a response from Father.

[the_Abbot]

I'm not mad at people not thinking that it is a smudge or whatever. My problem is with the people calling me liar and acting like I have done this on purpose.

[Thekla]

the curtains are visible in the video, but are downwards and right from the dark frame; it is hard to "read" because the image of a reflection in glass can appear to be on the other side . Observe where your reflection "appears" to be in a window at night (I just tried it. my reflection looks like I'm on the other side).

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

It looks 3D to me, almost like a face was pressed into the glass. You'll know more if your mom lets you try to wipe it or smudge it.

Here is a pic from the DVR at work. It captures 6 frames per second and this is only on one frame. There is no sign of it on the previous or following frame and it appeared at the same time the alarm was triggered. There was no one on the property at the time. I make no claims as to what it is and it very well might be a glitch in the DVR but the video system is not connected to the alarm system.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/shagzilla69/flashpic1.jpg

[the_Abbot]

I believe it is a smudge or something also, but it is freaky to me the way it looks . I just wanted others opinions.

[RebeccatheGreat]

I can understand the disappointment Abbot. I'm getting a bit frustrated myself,so I'm finished here also.
I will be wondering about this and if you wipe it off and what happens,so if you think of it please pm me and let me know what happens.

Blessings to all.

[the_Abbot]

Here is some images of what are the reflections you guys see.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1518.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1519.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1517.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1516.jpg

[repentant]

the curtains are hangin on a window in that room. It's really not that complicated.

The curtains are on the window in the pic, and not the video..or vice versa..that is what I am talking about..

[the_Abbot]

I dont have the video on now, but that could be because of the angle. Regardless you can still see the image in some of the photos I posted also.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

The curtains are in the video, they are just hard to see because of the way the camera captures light and changes focus. At about second 14 of the video you can see them just before the background darkens.

[repentant]

Look at the pics Theo posted..in one they are there, and in one they are not..there is light or focus problems..

[repentant]

From the video, curtains are not there..

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor1.jpg

From the pics, curtains are there..

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor3.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor2.jpg[/QUOTE]

[Shubunkin]

There is probably some good explanation for it. We just cannot come up with it from pictures, maybe. I agree it should be wiped off with Windex, or something similar, and then see if it comes off. If it does, then you have your explanation that it was a smudge of some type.

For what it's worth, I certainly believe you. I'm not going to say outright that this is made up. I 've seen too many things stranger than this with no explanation, so I hope you can find one for your own sake.

[the_Abbot]

OK that top image of the video is a reflection of the frame of an old window that use to bethere in the kitchen untill that back room was added on

You can see that frame here

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/A_Saddler_13/IMG_1519.jpg

[Shubunkin]

Look at the pics Theo posted..in one they are there, and in one they are not..there is light or focus problems..
Those look like different windows, to me.

[the_Abbot]

Looking at the video image everything in that glass is a reflection of the kitchen

[Shubunkin]

Looking at the video image everything in that glass is a reflection of the kitchen
That's a very pretty house, btw ... ;)

[the_Abbot]

That's a very pretty house, btw ... ;)
Thank you. I am helping my friend and myself are putting down a new tile floor for my mom and then hopefully she will put the house up for sale and move to Daytona and be closer to the rest of her family

[flod logic]

Abbot - I saw this creepy smiling face in some paneling, so you're not the only one to see weird faces. :P

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/flodlogic/forum/face.jpg

[Shubunkin]

Abbot - I saw this creepy smiling face in some paneling, so you're not the only one to see weird faces. :P

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/flodlogic/forum/face.jpg
I have a weird man in one of my wood doors to the bathroom in this house. :eek: I keep trying to ignore it. :D

[the_Abbot]

That looks like the Joker from Batman

[Theophorus]

Looking at the video image everything in that glass is a reflection of the kitchen

That would explain why the fan eclipses the image, but why does the image obscure the reflected kitchen clock?

[Chocolatesa]

#1 It's real simple. He took the video from one side of the door and the pic from the other, from what I understand. And who cares about the reflections anyways?
#2 Why haven't you tried to Windex it yet???

[the_Abbot]

That would explain why the fan eclipses the image, but why does the image obscure the reflected kitchen clock?
I have no idea. I dont why things reflect the way they do.

[the_Abbot]

#1 It's real simple. He took the video from one side of the door and the pic from the other, from what I understand. And who cares about the reflections anyways?
#2 Why haven't you tried to Windex it yet???
my mom dont want to take it off yet

[Dorothea]

00:37
the lips are clearly parted and I see teeth when I look closely.and I know I see those.
I saw the same image you did. And it doesn't look like someone's face smushed up to the glass. It looks like it's behind the glass, just floating there. :eek:

[Dorothea]

I just don't see any resemblance what so ever.
the boy has a full face,where as the image or whatever it is seems more chisled for lack of a better word.
and surely I'm not the only one seeing teeth?
theo sees them right?
Yeah, and the noses are different.

[Dorothea]

Please show me where the tiny face is present in my photos
I saw the reflection of the guy taking the video. That's the face I thought everyone was talking about when saying the "tiny face."

[Dorothea]

From the video, curtains are not there..

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor1.jpg

From the pics, curtains are there..

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor3.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/chopin139/decor2.jpg[/quote]
I see the curtains to the right a bit in the first picture, and the dark rectangular/squarish part looks like a reflection of the fridge.

[MoNiCa4316]

wow...that is really creepy...:eek: I believe you, I don't think you did this on purpose or anything. I hope it's just a smudge or something. Please let us know what happens when you windex it :)

[Dorothea]

I do have to say that one pic that repentant posted that showed almost the look of a negative not a regular developed pic, there was more a resemblance to your son's face on that one.

[Chocolatesa]

You don't need to windex the whole thing, just spray some on a kleenex and try dabbing at it on the edge just to see if it comes off. Don't need to wipe the whole thing away.

[Akathist]

The Abbot,

Lets look at this from another point of view.

What if the image is not human? What would you do if you came to that conclusion?

What if the image was human and was someone who was in the house? What would you do if that was the conclusion?

I honestly don't know what caused the image. But, you say it is a comfort to your Mother. God makes ALL THINGS good for those who love Him. All things can lead us either toward God or away from God.

Perhaps this is the image of your guardian angel trying to bring you closer to God. Or, to comfort your mother.

Perhaps it is a prowler who left his mark in the night.

Which conclusion will help you grow in faith? Go with that as your answer.