View Full Version : Messiah's Atonement for Sin After Regerneration
applecore
1st December 2007, 04:12 PM
My first post here so greetings to you all and may the fellowship of this forum strengthen our faith in the One True Living God. Amen.
Romans 3:24 But they are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. 3:25 God publicly displayed him at his death as the mercy seat accessible through faith.34 This was to demonstrate35 his righteousness, because God in his forbearance had passed over the sins previously committed.
And Paul adds a few verses later...3:31 Do we then nullify the law through faith? Absolutely not! Instead we uphold the law.
This is a two fold question. Firstly,
1.Messiah's blood on the cross was an atonement for our sins in accordance with the Law, the fulfillment of the Law, through his offering and sacrifice. At the moment of regeneration all past sins are wiped clean. After this though when we commit a sin, how, in context of the (fulfilled) Law, are we forgiven by confessing them?
2.And can anyone elaborate on the word `Faith'? I know it is to believe/accept, to trust, but a clear description would do wonders to my studies.
Thanks for reading. I look forward to any replys on this matter.
May our Father's grace and peace be with you, Craig
GerTzedek
2nd December 2007, 02:29 AM
I can tell you that in Jewish thought, there is not this seperation between what a man believes in his heart and what he does. If you want to know if a person believes in G-d, you don't ask him, you look to see how he lives his life. You asked for a comment about faith. I can tell you that in Hebrew the word is EMUNAH, and that this word ALSO means FAITHFULNESS. This is why Ya'akov, who was VERY Jewish indeed, says to someone blah blahing about faith alone, "You TELL me about your faith. [You can almost sense his scorn] I will SHOW you my faith by my works."
RND
2nd December 2007, 04:18 PM
Apparently someone was upset regarding my post here and instead of discussing the situation with me privately they decided to report my post instead.
This is a very odd thread indeed and I see the hospitality here is somewhat lacking.
Apparently, I'm limited to the 'fellowship' posts, which unfortunately are not well defined in this thread.
Where is the "Christian" spirit in this thread?
Ivy
2nd December 2007, 05:26 PM
Some people have happy report-button-trigger fingers, RND, and yes, I agree hospitality is lacking when a first-time poster gets reported just like that.
How about showing a little forbearance, guys?
RND
2nd December 2007, 05:47 PM
Some people have happy report-button-trigger fingers, RND, and yes, I agree hospitality is lacking when a first-time poster gets reported just like that.
How about showing a little forbearance, guys?
That was very kind of you. Thanks so very much. :) How do I go about adding to your reputation?
Ivy
2nd December 2007, 05:56 PM
Just send chocolates. ^_^ ^_^
All you do is hit that little "thumbs up" button under your username. It's fun & inexpensive. :D
RND
2nd December 2007, 06:00 PM
Just send chocolates. ^_^ ^_^
I hope you won't mind getting half a box! :D
All you do is hit that little "thumbs up" button under your username. It's fun & inexpensive. :D
Done. Thank you again.
muffler dragon
4th December 2007, 02:41 PM
1.Messiah's blood on the cross was an atonement for our sins in accordance with the Law, the fulfillment of the Law, through his offering and sacrifice.
Since this is the debate section, I'll go ahead and play antagonist.
1) What offering was a fulfillment of the Law?
2) What sacrifice was a fulfillment of the Law?
3) What is your definition of "fulfillment of the Law"?
At the moment of regeneration all past sins are wiped clean. After this though when we commit a sin, how, in context of the (fulfilled) Law, are we forgiven by confessing them?
The experience of sin => repentance => forgiveness is laid out in Genesis 4. But I have to admit that many of the terms you use above are foreign to Judaism. That's not to say that I'm ignorant of them (as I was a Christian for many years); however, you may want to define so that I know where you're coming from.
visionary
9th December 2007, 11:02 AM
In the regeneration.... if you mean in the time when morality puts on immortality... there will be no clothing sinful nature. That is why we must be transformed, with the renewing of our minds. There will come a day when the Lord will take off the High Priest Robes and leave the Temple..
Services for the atonement of sin will be over. Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
ContraMundum
13th December 2007, 12:48 AM
This is a two fold question. Firstly,
1.Messiah's blood on the cross was an atonement for our sins in accordance with the Law, the fulfillment of the Law, through his offering and sacrifice. At the moment of regeneration all past sins are wiped clean. After this though when we commit a sin, how, in context of the (fulfilled) Law, are we forgiven by confessing them?
Yes, but you must repent of your sins as well, and forgive others theirs. Otherwise your own confession of sin my not be good.
2.And can anyone elaborate on the word `Faith'? I know it is to believe/accept, to trust, but a clear description would do wonders to my studies.
Faith is not just believing in God, but also doing His will. That means faith must be accompanied by holy action, or in other words good works.
"Faith without works is dead" said the Apostle James (Ja 2:16,17).
If one finds that they believe in God but do little for Him they should take that as an indicator of weak faith, and if they nothing for Him then their faith is mere rational assent, and is worthless, having no value.
Faith has works, and our works show our faith (Ja 2:18-26). We do not do works to receive faith, because faith is God's work in us (Eph 2:8; Jn 6:44 etc), but rather we do works because we have faith. Like a dog barks because it is a dog, but it does not bark to become a dog, so a follower of Christ does the things God wills because of the faith and love in his heart (1 Cor 15:10; 2 Cor 1:12).
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