CUSSING and filth.

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[MrJim]

I guess if it brings in more people--->more people = more $$$ http://bestsmileys.com/money/6.gif...that's what it seems to be all about anymore

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[Lindon Tinuviel]

Do we want cussing allowed on this site?


Ain't up to us.

I'd say no, though. Too much cussin' might keep new people from clicking an ad for an All Christian Casual Sex Dating Site.

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[Lindon Tinuviel]

I don't see them either, but before I updated my filter (http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40689162&postcount=78), I saw a dating site or two advertised.

[ContentInHim]

No cussing. Period. No sex ads. Period. But it's not up to us or our standards - it's LeeD's standards. Pray that they will be high!

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[ContentInHim]

You and I are in agreement. Trouble is - neither of us has the power to change it.
We don't? I didn't get that memo. :D

Yeah, I know Max. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I clicked on your thread in the index not knowing what was up. I understand that many of the mods don't mind cussing but that was one thing I was cleaned up of overnight. I don't hang around with "cussers" IRL and see no need to on the net.

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I fail to see how a word can be "good" or "bad", personally.


But it's not up to us or our standards - it's LeeD's standards. Pray that they will be high!

Not to be rude or anything, but have you been paying attention (http://foru.ms/f3-announcements.html)?

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[Addicted2~Jesus]

I agree wit everthin folks have said, there should be no cussin, there shouldn't be filthy sex ads, there shouldn't be any of this crap bout slippin morals er standards, there shouldn't be any of this members left on the outside lookin in jes waitin for the other foot to fall so we can all git slapped round some more by stupidity.

I would say way to go Erwin... but he wouldn't care, it's been a long time comin, I wouldn't bother to say a thin to Lee as I hadn't seen em round an really am not expectin to. Jes another one of em folks that's jes to big to mingle wit the lil folks I think.

I cain't see the ads either til my ss runs out an then of course I wouldn't spend another dime on this place, but I seen some of the ads on my wifes puter jes today (it's right behind me) an I have got to say... wit everthin that's gone on, is goin on, how many more ways they are messin thins up... I am jes not surprised. I also completely agree... this isn't bout God anymore at all... it's all bout the dollar signs.

[MrJim]

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[E-beth]

Eh, cussing and such isn't the worst I have seen lately. I would rather read an expletive than insinuations that people are worthy of death or other mean-spirited posts. :sick:

Besides that, when you start worshipping the word censor you start not noticing the person behind the post. We got into that before, and there at the end, there were almost as many censored words as OK words, but the problem is, no one knew what they were.

[bubblefish]

I agree it shouldn't be allowed, but the problem is people have different ideas to what is swearing and what is not. What may be seen as offensive to one person or one culture is not necessarily the same for someone else. Who decides what is to be censored and what is not? Everyone is going to have a different opinion.

[BORNAGAIN2]

When everything changed and the rules no longer applied, or so they thought, then they started saying everything imaginable since they thought it doesn't matter. If there are no guidlines on that some need to be made or maybe LeeD would. What would Jesus say? It seems to be almost impossible to avoid on here now.

[ContentInHim]

I agree it shouldn't be allowed, but the problem is people have different ideas to what is swearing and what is not. What may be seen as offensive to one person or one culture is not necessarily the same for someone else. Who decides what is to be censored and what is not? Everyone is going to have a different opinion.
So since it would be difficult to figure out what the standards should be, there should be NO standards? :scratch:

[Tenebrae]

I agree it shouldn't be allowed, but the problem is people have different ideas to what is swearing and what is not. What may be seen as offensive to one person or one culture is not necessarily the same for someone else. Who decides what is to be censored and what is not? Everyone is going to have a different opinion.

Yes, fair point. There are several words in New Zealand that are not considered to be swearwords however I've been jumped on by US posters for using them

That said, there are some words that carry a universally rude and profane conotation and should not be uncensored IMO.

eg the word that talks about the sex act,
the word that is used as another version of excrement
the word that is used to talk about a female dog

[bubblefish]

So since it would be difficult to figure out what the standards should be, there should be NO standards? :scratch:
That's not true. There is a standard with our swear filter which has the main ones, but we can't really filter every word that someone may find offensive. What I see as offensive may not offend others and I have often not been offended by reports while other mods have. Who gets to decide what is offensive? Where do we draw the line?

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[Lindon Tinuviel]

By "highest", I assume you mean the most strict?

[Jeffwo]

Dang...my ads show Christian Internet Broadcasting and go bible dot com.

Shoot, I thought I was gonna get to see some sexy ad...LOL

No...actually, I would prefer to not have to see cussing on here. In fact, I won't expose myself to it. I don't hang around it in real life, won't do it here either.

God bless,
Jeff

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[Lindon Tinuviel]

Why not?

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[Lindon Tinuviel]

According to you? To somebody else? Is there a list, or do you just know it when you see it?

[Tenebrae]

even in polite conversation in england that term would not be used.

I beg to differ

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Ever get the feeling that some people are just looking for some place to argue?


<----looks around for someone to argue with...name a topic, choose a side, I don't care which side you choose, I will take the opposite



Not at all. I've never understood the concept of considering this word to be vulgar, that word to be profane, and some other word to be unutterable.

They're words. They have no value more or less than any other words. Is it because they refer to bodily functions or sex acts? I don't think so, because few want the terms "urine", "bowel movement", or "have sex" filtered.

For the life of me, I can't see how one is better or worse than the other.

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All words have power. Some have intrinsic power. Some have the power we give them. But they all have power.

[Lindon Tinuviel]

As a writer and a linguist, I will agree that words have power. I will not, however, agree that some words are inherently bad. Meaning is key. Meaning is always key.

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As a writer and a linguist, I will agree that words have power. I will not, however, agree that some words are inherently bad. Meaning is key. Meaning is always key. no - there are some words that have a power all their own and are always bad. Like that one that Dog the bounty Hunter got busted for throwing around . . . .

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I'm not familiar with that particular dog. I assume you aren't referring to the term for a female of the species?


ETA: Ah, ok. Dog is a TV personality who got busted for using a racial slur. I assume that it was the "N-word".

That isn't the same as cussing, though. That's an actual put-down of an entire group of people.

With so-called "dirty words", there are no victims. Nobody's being put down, nobody's being slurred. Some may take offense at hearing (reading) the words, but I see no rational reason for that offense.

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no sir - dog the bounty hunter is a person who issued a racial slur. Guess which one.

[Tenebrae]

I think of this example


I've always used a substitute word for idiot, and during the time of open reports someone reported my use of that word stating it was another derogatory name for a female body appendage.

I'd used that word for several years, basically for linguistic variety, never knowing that it had this other derogatory meaning.

Its all very well and good pulling someone up for language, however who are we to insist that our cultural norms and linguistics are superior to another persons

[bubblefish]

even in polite conversation in england that term would not be used.
But it may not be the same in other places. In Australia, or at least around where I lived it is commonly used to explain someone who is totally drunk but is not always seen as vulgar. There are other examples that have come across in reports but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
So who's definition of 'vulgar' do we use? I am not asking to debate but asking a genuine question. We are never going to have every person agree. If we start removing everything just because one person does not like the word we will get complaints of being too censoring and I don't know about you, but I know we certainly don't have time for that and I am sure my team doesn't.
And it also relies on context. These words themselves are not always seen as swear words in some areas. IF used as a cuss word it is removed or edited but they can have other meanings as well.

[Tenebrae]

But it may not be the same in other places. In Australia, or at least around where I lived it is commonly used to explain someone who is totally drunk but is not always seen as vulgar. There are other examples that have come across in reports but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
So who's definition of 'vulgar' do we use? I am not asking to debate but asking a genuine question. We are never going to have every person agree.
I totally agree with the different norms in different countries and that people need to be aware of and mindful of.


However there are some swearwords that are kind of universal at least among english speakers

eg the cuss word that could another word for excrement
the cuss word that could be another word for the sex act


It would be interesting to see if non english languages have these swearwords, i know german does

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I think this whole "bad word" thing started with the taboo-words of the ancient world. In all known cultures--Indo-European, Uralic, Afro-Asiatic, "Old European"--there were some words that just weren't said.

It was all just religious superstition, of course. You cannot name the bear, or a bear will eat you. So now, the original words for "bear" are mostly lost. The words we use now mean "the brown one" or "the one who knows where the honey is".


ETA a bunch of stuff that nobody else will find as interesting as I do:

A fer-instance may be "ULKw", which was Proto-Indo-European for "wolf". As a taboo, however, it was not pronounced but was altered to something like "KwUL". This gave us our word "Wolf", and possibly our word "evil".

But you see what's going on here--they didn't say the word they meant, but they said another word that meant the same thing.

And that's *exactly* what we're doing now... we won't say the word, itself, but we'll tapdance around it to make sure we get our meaning across. "Word for female dog", "Word for female anatomy".

That sort of thing didn't really do the nomadic steppe people any good, and it's not doing us any good, either.

[BORNAGAIN2]

If a word is commonly used in a bad way in this day and age then it should be filtered out

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But it may not be the same in other places. In Australia, or at least around where I lived it is commonly used to explain someone who is totally drunk but is not always seen as vulgar. There are other examples that have come across in reports but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
So who's definition of 'vulgar' do we use? I am not asking to debate but asking a genuine question. We are never going to have every person agree. If we start removing everything just because one person does not like the word we will get complaints of being too censoring and I don't know about you, but I know we certainly don't have time for that and I am sure my team doesn't.
And it also relies on context. These words themselves are not always seen as swear words in some areas. IF used as a cuss word it is removed or edited but they can have other meanings as well.That's fine - but we aim at the higher standard not the lower one. :wave:

[RealDealNeverstop]

Aim at the higher standard? So when you said hillary clinton is the devil is that the level we should be aiming for? Cuss words are a joke and overblown to absurdity. There isnt even anything Biblically based about cuss words. Moreover, as shown in the devil example, even if every possible cuss word is censored, so what? Peeps who want to say defamatory, childish, and derogatory things can do so in many ways without cuss words. I dont think cuss words should be allowed but let's cut this facade of higher standards.

[RealDealNeverstop]

Excellent example on how cuss words arent needed! Thanks :-)

[TheDag]

even in polite conversation in england that term would not be used.
well either there is not very much polite conversation or you have no idea what people use in conversation. I've heard that word come up an awful lot in conversations with english people and my brother and other friends who live in england. In any case you still ignore the question because that would come up in conversation in Australia. It is very much a part of the language which has been used by everyone from politicians, business leaders down through to average joe on the street. So do you care to actually give a solution that would work or are we just supposed to live according to your standards?

[RealDealNeverstop]

You seriously dont know the answer?

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[Tenebrae]

well either there is not very much polite conversation or you have no idea what people use in conversation. I've heard that word come up an awful lot in conversations with english people and my brother and other friends who live in england. In any case you still ignore the question because that would come up in conversation in Australia. It is very much a part of the language which has been used by everyone from politicians, business leaders down through to average joe on the street. So do you care to actually give a solution that would work or are we just supposed to live according to your standards?

I have to say I really agree with this. I'm so sick of getting my knuckles rapped for using a word that is not a swearword where I come from



Polite conversation = conversation with the Queen. One does not say such verbiage in the presence or in conversation with her majesty the Queen.

And given the likelihood that any of us will ever meet her majesty in person that is a totally unrealistic standard. As tempting as it is to tell the on duty crisis nurse the extent of his idiocy is just mind numbing and making disparaging comments on the stupidity of giving an oral dose to a patient who is stuck in the midst of hysterics and seizures, that would not be professional.


The two places I use the occasional profanity (By american standards) would be when I'm driving and and getting frustrated and only when I'm alone in the car, and when I'm amoung friends.


I would like to say however, American members need to stop accusing me of using profanity (when I use the H word and the D word) and insisting that the rest of the world conform to their standards


Sounds harsh? So if accusing someone of using profanity, when the word in question is not a swearword where they come from

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[BORNAGAIN2]

Matthew 5:37 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&verse=37&version=9&context=verse)
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Matthew 12:36 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=12&verse=36&version=9&context=verse)
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Proverbs 6:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=6&verse=2&version=9&context=verse)
Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

Matthew 15:11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=15&verse=11&version=9&context=verse)
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

[Lindon Tinuviel]

And not a single one of those verses applies to so-called profanity.

[TheDag]

Polite conversation = conversation with the Queen. One does not say such verbiage in the presence or in conversation with her majesty the Queen.
Once again Max you fail to give an answer that doesn't rely on a definition which changes from one person to the other. I would define polite conversation to be a much more broad meaning. It would include customers I serve at work (as well as those I work with of course). It includes the people at church. It includes the average person I meet on the street. It includes the homeless guy I talk with. Sure maybe some of these people may not keep the same standard I would but of course your definition you gave was an english example because of who you were responding to. Would the equivalent for me be the Prime Minister of the country I live in? I'm sure it would and I can assure you many of them have used words which you would consider swear words. So for all you know the Queen might as well!

[TheDag]

I have made some very rude posts but because of the clever way I word things no fault can or could be found when reported. That would cause the person who reported them to lose their cool and attack and end up getting punished instead. People seem to want to deny the big problems that go on here and instead focus on tiny little matters like this that vary from country to country.

People really need to look at how words became swear words. Alot of english swear words came about from when England was invaded. The invaders made a heap of words unacceptable as a way of making the conquered conform to the new culture. Words that had been perfectly acceptable for hundreds of years overnight became unacceptable. Other examples were given earlier in this thread.

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Max genuinely has a thing for profanity. Check some of the old Wikis--he just straight-up doesn't like it. So, for him at least, it's not a power play. It's what he feels is the right thing to do, and he has the right to say so.

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I wonder what would happen if I took to swearing in Dutch, (which sounds wonderfully nasty, but is usually just the names of common body parts)?

Let's see how close I can get:

POTISEN ET GhEBh-KAKw

[TheDag]

just remember guys that once or twice is a slip up, a weak moment as opposed to someone who does it all the time. Before we say shame on you Maz lets think about if it is a one off or repeated behaviour.

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I think that even one occurance of that is grounds for censure.

But I don't think that we're talking about the same thing....

[kiwimac]

taHqeq

[Annabel Lee]

Pog mo thoin

[kiwimac]

Qapla!

[Annabel Lee]

Qapla!

reH nay’meylIjyIn Dujablu’jaj!

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nuqDaq yuch Dapol?

[Lindon Tinuviel]

nyQuil yuck!

[Annabel Lee]

nyQuil yuck!

:D

That was my first laugh of the day, so you get a hug! :hug:

[3girls2dogs]

Closing for clean-up and thread separation

[3girls2dogs]

I have deleted several posts as part of a clean up, and I have moved some others that raise concerns over to the Suggestions/Complaints subforum.

I have also reopened the thread. Thanks for your patience.

[snoochface]

Link to the split please?

[3girls2dogs]

You know what I realized after I split it. I didn't know that suggestions/complaints was one of those forums where only the people involved can post. I can't access it for a link. Can you access it to get to the thread?

In the cleanup thread for this thread, I posted about this dilemma and am waiting on a response. I'm sorry, snooch, I didn't realize it at the time. So many changes and just my one little brain to comprehend them all :blush:

If you can't access them, I will find someone who can move it somewhere else where you can once I get an answer. I promise I will get back to you on it.

3g2d

[3girls2dogs]

Ok, we got it moved back to this part of the forum. The discussion is here:

http://christianforums.com/t6526812-concerns-regarding-staffing-changes.html

Sorry for the delay. I had to get some Christmas shopping done :blush:

[snoochface]

Ok, we got it moved back to this part of the forum. The discussion is here:

http://christianforums.com/t6526812-concerns-regarding-staffing-changes.html

Sorry for the delay. I had to get some Christmas shopping done :blush:
Thanks :)