Peter Popoff Ministries

[lismore]

Hello:wave:

Has anyone heard of Peter Popoff's Ministry?

Any impressions?

For those who dont know about him he has a TV programme and a website. He gets a lot of people to share their testimony of healing and release from poverty.

http://peterpopoff.org/

:)

Speak the truth in love now!

[TheMatmanReturns]

I believe he was the guy who once had his wife feed him information through an ear piece, mimicking the word of knowledge.

[robbymac]

I believe he was the guy who once had his wife feed him information through an ear piece, mimicking the word of knowledge.
Wasn't his brother a WWF wrestler? Leapin' Lanny Popoff, iirc?

[NorrinRadd]

I believe he was the guy who once had his wife feed him information through an ear piece, mimicking the word of knowledge.
Yep. I haven't really heard anything of him since that scandal was revealed, probably over 20 years ago.

[icedtea]

Yes. He was exposed by James Randi on the Tonight Show, showing he didn't get his 'word' from God but backstage.
Hes still on tv, sadly. Selling little things which supposedly bless you.

[zaksmummy]

I know who you mean, the man with his anointed green hankies

YUK

[lismore]

I know who you mean, the man with his anointed green hankies

YUK

Is that not Don Stewart? Peter Popoff sells miracle spring water.

[cyberlizard]

whatever they sell - it is repugnant - it is exactly the same as the roman catholic church was doing a few hundred years ago.


please let remove the superstitious element from the church (the worst thing is that those who cannot afford these 'miracle seeds' are often the ones that buy into it expecting a reprieve from the financial problems through the blessing of God')!


Steve

[lismore]

Actually, I saw Peter Popoff last night on TV and he is sending the Miracle Water free of charge now.

[seekthetruth909]

Hello:wave:

Has anyone heard of Peter Popoff's Ministry?

Any impressions?

For those who dont know about him he has a TV programme and a website. He gets a lot of people to share their testimony of healing and release from poverty.

http://peterpopoff.org/

:)

Speak the truth in love now!
Scroll down to the bottom of the page on this link. There is a video about him.
http://www.prayershack.freeservers.com/multimedia.html

[heron]

There is an odd thing that frustrates me to no end -- with a few of these ministries that seem distasteful, I also sense the Spirit of God when I'm flipping channels.

It might be a phenomenon of faith coming from so many believers (not necessarily the preacher), but we'd have to research the physics of air waves and the physics of the Holy Spirit to make sense of this.

:sigh:

God calls all sorts of imperfect people to imperfect ministries, and continues to work through them.

[BenAdam]

There is an odd thing that frustrates me to no end -- with a few of these ministries that seem distasteful, I also sense the Spirit of God when I'm flipping channels.

It might be a phenomenon of faith coming from so many believers (not necessarily the preacher), but we'd have to research the physics of air waves and the physics of the Holy Spirit to make sense of this.

:sigh:

God calls all sorts of imperfect people to imperfect ministries, and continues to work through them.
There is a difference between being imperfect and being a charlatan.

[icedtea]

True! All the good ministers I've known have been local, I've known them.

[blackbyrd]

A preacher friend of mine said regarding certain "free stuff preachers" ya either gots the annointing of God or the gimmicks of men.......

[Adammi]

Hello:wave:

Has anyone heard of Peter Popoff's Ministry?

Any impressions?

For those who dont know about him he has a TV programme and a website. He gets a lot of people to share their testimony of healing and release from poverty.

http://peterpopoff.org/

:)

Speak the truth in love now!
Yes, I've heard all about him. In Psychology 101.

[Svt4Him]

He's a joke. I received some free spring water from God's thrown from him along with a personal prophecy. Amazing marketing material, but totally false. My pastor wrote him to ask if he was aware his ministry was doing this but received no answer. I suggest you order some free water and wait until you get the prophecy just for you, then post it here.

[icedtea]

I recall reading in James Randi's Faith Healers of some minister who offered holy powder.
They ordered some, tested it, and found it to be Kool-Aid.

[habeas]

Let's see....little green hankys, wed blood of Jesus hankys, green prosperity bracelets, pers'nul pear package, vial of miracle spring water...I haven't decided which one will be most effective! The choices are endless!

Its called simony and has been outlawed in the Catholic Church for centuries! Martin Luther is rolling over in his grave, too. I guess the only difference is, rather than buying your way out of purgatory, you buy your way out of misery in this life.

[Andry]

The guy collects names and addresses for his huge and continual mailout campaigns. The odds are in his favour that someone will donate enough money to keep his gig running.

[BenAdam]

Let's see....little green hankys, wed blood of Jesus hankys, green prosperity bracelets, pers'nul pear package, vial of miracle spring water...I haven't decided which one will be most effective! The choices are endless!

Its called simony and has been outlawed in the Catholic Church for centuries! Martin Luther is rolling over in his grave, too. I guess the only difference is, rather than buying your way out of purgatory, you buy your way out of misery in this life.
Actually Simony is the practice of buying an ecclesiastical position, ie paying someone to appoint you to a position in the church. Named after Simon Magus who in Acts attempted to purchase the gift of the Holy Spirit from the Apostles (namely Peter).

[blackbyrd]

thanks for that info Ben Adam, i truly learned something today

[habeas]

Actually Simony is the practice of buying an ecclesiastical position, ie paying someone to appoint you to a position in the church. Named after Simon Magus who in Acts attempted to purchase the gift of the Holy Spirit from the Apostles (namely Peter).

I was confusing it with the sale of indulgences or relics. But, you're right, I knew that already. :doh:

[lismore]

Actually Simony is the practice of buying an ecclesiastical position, ie paying someone to appoint you to a position in the church. Named after Simon Magus who in Acts attempted to purchase the gift of the Holy Spirit from the Apostles (namely Peter).

Hi there:wave:

I dont think its got anything to with an ecclesiasitcal position:

Acts 8:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=8&verse=20&version=31&context=verse)
Peter answered: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

Simon Magus was trying to buy the gift of God with money, a practice that still goes on today.

[Adammi]

Hi there:wave:

I dont think its got anything to with an ecclesiasitcal position:

Acts 8:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=8&verse=20&version=31&context=verse)
Peter answered: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

Simon Magus was trying to buy the gift of God with money, a practice that still goes on today.
That's my understanding as well.

[Svt4Him]

Some preach Christ for gain, and I think PP is one of them. I believe he is a false prophet, and I don`t say that lightly. As a matter of fact, he`s the only one I`ve ever said it about.

[Templedweller]

May He turn and see the right if he hasnt

[lismore]

That's my understanding as well.

Yes, sometimes a free gift and talk of money dont mix well.

But I wondered about Peter Popoff, because he seemed to be preaching a good gospel message too!

[RevKidd]

Yes, sometimes a free gift and talk of money dont mix well.

But I wondered about Peter Popoff, because he seemed to be preaching a good gospel message too!

Of course they do... They have to, at least on the surface, seem to be somewhat genuine...

But like most guys in his posistion, I am sure his finances are locked up tight and what goes on behind the scenes is no ones buisness but PP's.

I wouldn't put faith in the man if you paid me...

[Svt4Him]

Yes, sometimes a free gift and talk of money dont mix well.

But I wondered about Peter Popoff, because he seemed to be preaching a good gospel message too!

I really suggest ordering some of his free stuff. I may do it just for the personal prophecy I'll get. You can also youtube him when someone recorded the messages he was receiving through his ear piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUm-zcmswxE

[Simon_Templar]

whatever they sell - it is repugnant - it is exactly the same as the roman catholic church was doing a few hundred years ago.


please let remove the superstitious element from the church (the worst thing is that those who cannot afford these 'miracle seeds' are often the ones that buy into it expecting a reprieve from the financial problems through the blessing of God')!


Steve
hehehe I always find it funny when people who revile the Catholic Church for the abuses of 500 years ago, do exactly the same thing today...

Green hankies and miracle water... anyone for a finger bone of St. Peter? Maybe a piece of the true cross?

[Andry]

Maybe a piece of the true cross?
Yup. Send me $19.99 and it's yours. ^_^

[BenAdam]

Yup. Send me $19.99 and it's yours. ^_^
How do you antique wood for that real authentic look?

[lismore]

hehehe I always find it funny when people who revile the Catholic Church for the abuses of 500 years ago, do exactly the same thing today...

Green hankies and miracle water... anyone for a finger bone of St. Peter? Maybe a piece of the true cross?

Hey there:wave:

Is it not possible to revile the selling of God's free gifts 500 years ago and now?

[lismore]

How does he manage to get on several Christian TV channels!?!

[Andry]

How does he manage to get on several Christian TV channels!?!
$$$. If you have enough of it, they'll put you on despite your doctrine.

Especially for late night programming, where smaller stations are desperate for filling airtime.

[lismore]

$$$. If you have enough of it, they'll put you on despite your doctrine.



:wave:

Thats scary Andry. True but scary.

[Templedweller]

YA know he's gotten caught up in some things and done some things that he ought not to have and some outrightly...prayer for him would be good thing eh?

[lismore]

YA know he's gotten caught up in some things and done some things that he ought not to have and some outrightly...prayer for him would be good thing eh?

Yes and also prayer for those who might experience discouragement through seeing these things.

[heron]

How does he manage to get on several Christian TV channels!?!

:scratch: I was flipping channels a few days ago and ran across his show-- it looked like an informercial! He had a little blurb with pictures of houses and yachts flashing on the screen, "all this can be yours."

How much easier it must be to get a miracle-working prayer cloth than sending $39.99 for get-rich-business training videos. "I only have to work three minutes a day, in my pajamas -- I just put the cloth in my tea, and it starts doing the work for me."

Yes and also prayer for those who might experience discouragement through seeing these things.That's the key. You're a good man, lismore.

[Templedweller]

lismore i agree :)

[liketotalk]

$$$. If you have enough of it, they'll put you on despite your doctrine.

Especially for late night programming, where smaller stations are desperate for filling airtime.

Yea, what Andry said!

I would steer clear from PP's ministry from the little bit I know. :sigh:

[Svt4Him]

YA know he's gotten caught up in some things and done some things that he ought not to have and some outrightly...prayer for him would be good thing eh?

What exactly are you going to pray? Pray that God will go against His word of giving grace to the humble but resisting the proud?

[Svt4Him]

hehehe I always find it funny when people who revile the Catholic Church for the abuses of 500 years ago, do exactly the same thing today...

Green hankies and miracle water... anyone for a finger bone of St. Peter? Maybe a piece of the true cross?

You mean we still revile the Catholic Church, or we still revile those who do what the CC did? Are you saying we're doing that or are you saying it's funny that we are so open in embracing that kind of ministry and we all want to run out and do it? Or do you actually see that people are not condoning it either for the RCC or PP or pretty much anyone?

[Celestron]

i've heard the bad stuff too, about the earpiece...

but the first time i saw him on tv a spirit entered my room... some sort of power spirit and it tried to remove demons from me...

if this is waaay too much info, then sorry...


i don't follow him and he just may be the falsest (sorry not a word)... prophet there is.. .but i thought this was weird the night i saw him on tv ... and this happened to me...

some sort of miraculous spirit came from him
and i'm not saying it was a spirit from God either...

i'm not sure about all the spirits there are in the world

[lismore]

I watched Peter Popoff's programme tonight and he said God told him to get his spring water from Chernobyl in Russia.

I wondered, was that not the scene of a Nuclear disaster in the 1980s?

Its an odd place to use!

:scratch:

[Adammi]

I watched Peter Popoff's programme tonight and he said God told him to get his spring water from Chernobyl in Russia.

I wondered, was that not the scene of a Nuclear disaster in the 1980s?

Its an odd place to use!

:scratch:
He must not want for his followers to be around for very long. lol

[lismore]

He must not want for his followers to be around for very long. lol

Yea. Maybe there's something I dont understand!

:scratch:

[heron]

I watched Peter Popoff's programme tonight and he said God told him to get his spring water from Chernobyl in Russia.

I wondered, was that not the scene of a Nuclear disaster in the 1980s?

Its an odd place to use!

:scratch:
It was probably cheap.


if this is waaay too much info, then sorry...
No, it's good that you were honest about real experiences.

[heron]

http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/1997/B/199701149.html

I guess it's not completely free:

"Phytotech, a phytoremediation company based in New Jersey, has used floating rafts of sunflowers to clean up radioactive Chernobyl water.

Dangling sunflower roots pull both cesium 137 and strontium 90 out of the water. After they've done their work, the sunflowers are disposed of as radioactive waste.

The estimated cost for the project is $2 to $6 per thousand gallons of water. Phytotech researchers also used Indian mustard to clean cesium and strontium out of soil contaminated by Chernobyl fallout."

[Deba]

When my son was 12 (he's now 19) he sent away for Popoff's Chernobyl holy water.

He got a quick reply but the little sealed plastic vial that the water was suppose to be in was empty.

He also got a prophesy letter that he was suppose to keep under his pillow among other things and of course, send money to Popoff at some point.

[Simon_Templar]

You mean we still revile the Catholic Church, or we still revile those who do what the CC did? Are you saying we're doing that or are you saying it's funny that we are so open in embracing that kind of ministry and we all want to run out and do it? Or do you actually see that people are not condoning it either for the RCC or PP or pretty much anyone?
hehe :)

What I mean is, whenever anyone talks about Catholics, almost invariably, they think of the abuses of medieval Catholicism like selling indulgences, selling holy relics etc etc etc. Yet in the charismatic Church, many of those same things are readily accepted under different names.

I think it is humorous in an ironic sense that people think it was so bad that the Catholics did all that back in the middle ages, and then turn around and do the same things themselves.

I'd be willing to bet that if you talked to PP, or most of his followers about the medieval church, they'd condemn it for those things... then do basically the same thing themselves today.

For example.. most of the people I grew up with as an evangelical charismatic believed that Catholics were little better than pagans because of their views on saints. Yet I know some of the same charismatics who have no problem at all with the fact that Benny Hinn claims to have had several interactions with 'departed saints' that have been important to his development and ministry.

I'm not trying to turn this conversation to BH, but that is just one illustration. There are plenty like PP who sell what amount to "holy relics" and I've personally seen some, like Mike Murdoc, tell people that if they give money to their ministry, their unsaved relatives will get saved etc, which is not far from selling indulgences.

I think thats a humorous irony.

[Simon_Templar]

I watched Peter Popoff's programme tonight and he said God told him to get his spring water from Chernobyl in Russia.

I wondered, was that not the scene of a Nuclear disaster in the 1980s?

Its an odd place to use!

:scratch:
somewhat Ironic considering that some prophecy teachers say that chernobyl means "wormwood" in russian (I don't know if thats true or not)

[Andry]

You're actually right - it's the wormwood plant to make absinth, which abundant in the Chernobyl region.

[BenAdam]

hehe :)

What I mean is, whenever anyone talks about Catholics, almost invariably, they think of the abuses of medieval Catholicism like selling indulgences, selling holy relics etc etc etc. Yet in the charismatic Church, many of those same things are readily accepted under different names.

I think it is humorous in an ironic sense that people think it was so bad that the Catholics did all that back in the middle ages, and then turn around and do the same things themselves.

I'd be willing to bet that if you talked to PP, or most of his followers about the medieval church, they'd condemn it for those things... then do basically the same thing themselves today.

For example.. most of the people I grew up with as an evangelical charismatic believed that Catholics were little better than pagans because of their views on saints. Yet I know some of the same charismatics who have no problem at all with the fact that Benny Hinn claims to have had several interactions with 'departed saints' that have been important to his development and ministry.

I'm not trying to turn this conversation to BH, but that is just one illustration. There are plenty like PP who sell what amount to "holy relics" and I've personally seen some, like Mike Murdoc, tell people that if they give money to their ministry, their unsaved relatives will get saved etc, which is not far from selling indulgences.

I think thats a humorous irony.
There is nothing new under the sun, just different packaging.

[Simon_Templar]

You're actually right - it's the wormwood plant to make absinth, which abundant in the Chernobyl region.
cool, good to know

[Svt4Him]

hehe :)

What I mean is, whenever anyone talks about Catholics, almost invariably, they think of the abuses of medieval Catholicism like selling indulgences, selling holy relics etc etc etc. Yet in the charismatic Church, many of those same things are readily accepted under different names.

I think it is humorous in an ironic sense that people think it was so bad that the Catholics did all that back in the middle ages, and then turn around and do the same things themselves.

I'd be willing to bet that if you talked to PP, or most of his followers about the medieval church, they'd condemn it for those things... then do basically the same thing themselves today.

For example.. most of the people I grew up with as an evangelical charismatic believed that Catholics were little better than pagans because of their views on saints. Yet I know some of the same charismatics who have no problem at all with the fact that Benny Hinn claims to have had several interactions with 'departed saints' that have been important to his development and ministry.

I'm not trying to turn this conversation to BH, but that is just one illustration. There are plenty like PP who sell what amount to "holy relics" and I've personally seen some, like Mike Murdoc, tell people that if they give money to their ministry, their unsaved relatives will get saved etc, which is not far from selling indulgences.

I think thats a humorous irony.

OK, so let me say that it was wrong for the CC and it is wrong for these ministries. I'm equally surprised that a lot of Catholics bought these indulgences in the same way I'm surprised that anyone would send PP money. IMO, God will judge both rather harshly. Seems even in the Bible this was happening though, so I'm a bit surprised that you're surprised, as God said it would happen and didn't quite point out any denomination.

[Adammi]

I saw him on TV last night. I got a good chuckle. He was giving out his nucle-er-I mean miracle water.

[Svt4Him]

The problem with him though is he really prays on poor people. I'll send for some free water then copy the letter he sends.

OK, ordered. See if I can see into the future: I think I'll get a little thing of water with a book and a personal prophecy. I believe if I don't answer it, I'll get another. Now I had to send my email, which I'm changing soon, so perhaps it will come via the WWW. Let's see if he still preaches Christ for gain.

[lismore]

The problem with him though is he really prays on poor people. I'll send for some free water then copy the letter he sends.

OK, ordered. See if I can see into the future: I think I'll get a little thing of water with a book and a personal prophecy. I believe if I don't answer it, I'll get another. Now I had to send my email, which I'm changing soon, so perhaps it will come via the WWW. Let's see if he still preaches Christ for gain.

About a week after the free water I got a packet of salt, well it was a very small packet with a few white granules. The letter said I should send $200 in appreciation for my free salt.

:scratch:

[Svt4Him]

I appreciate you telling me that. Now send me $200.

[Simon_Templar]

OK, so let me say that it was wrong for the CC and it is wrong for these ministries. I'm equally surprised that a lot of Catholics bought these indulgences in the same way I'm surprised that anyone would send PP money. IMO, God will judge both rather harshly. Seems even in the Bible this was happening though, so I'm a bit surprised that you're surprised, as God said it would happen and didn't quite point out any denomination.
well I was raised in the charismatic church, and I baught a lot of the 'hype' and for years believed that we were the true church, and everyone else, especially catholics were able to be Christians.. but if they were it was indespite of their church, not because of it.

Once I got over myself a bit, I began to find it humorous looking back to see how arrogant, and how really not different from any other group, we really were.

[lismore]

well I was raised in the charismatic church, and I baught a lot of the 'hype' and for years believed that we were the true church, and everyone else, especially catholics were able to be Christians.. but if they were it was indespite of their church, not because of it.

Once I got over myself a bit, I began to find it humorous looking back to see how arrogant, and how really not different from any other group, we really were.

The wheat and the tares are together in every church and fellowship methinks.

[Simon_Templar]

The wheat and the tares are together in every church and fellowship methinks.
indubitably

[lismore]

indubitably

Yes and there is nothing new under the sun. The same issues and attitudes that dogged the roman Catholic CHurch in the middle ages still dog the churches today. Same problem- sin.

:)

[Svt4Him]

well I was raised in the charismatic church, and I baught a lot of the 'hype' and for years believed that we were the true church, and everyone else, especially catholics were able to be Christians.. but if they were it was indespite of their church, not because of it.

Once I got over myself a bit, I began to find it humorous looking back to see how arrogant, and how really not different from any other group, we really were.

I was raised Catholic, my wife Orthodox. They still believe they're the one true church. Once we got over ourselves, we realized the same thing you did.

Do posts like this help anything except show we're not really over ourselves?

[KenBrauckmann]

About a week after the free water I got a packet of salt, well it was a very small packet with a few white granules. The letter said I should send $200 in appreciation for my free salt.

:scratch:
(That must be for the 'activation key' for the salt!)

OOps - that's Microsoft, not Popoff.... they sound so similar - easily confuse them, sorry... :D )

(Popoff was debunked back in the 80's!!! Guess he thinks no one remembers him??)

[lismore]

On the surface though Peter Popoff doesnt seem to be unique, a lot of tele evangelists have the same lines and the same approach. Theres a lad on TV called Don Stewart that sells green miracle napkins.

:scratch:

[Svt4Him]

(That must be for the 'activation key' for the salt!)

OOps - that's Microsoft, not Popoff.... they sound so similar - easily confuse them, sorry... :D )

(Popoff was debunked back in the 80's!!! Guess he thinks no one remembers him??)

Hahaha! :thumbsup: If you say them both five times really quick the names roll into each other.

[Ann Doupont]

I didn't realize that Peter Popoff was still around. Saw him once in San Francisco. He called out a woman named Elizabeth to come forward. Another woman came up there saying she was Elizabeth, but he kept looking for that other woman and ignored this one.

This was probably about 15 or more years ago...too long to remember the details. I never returned to see him again.

[KenBrauckmann]

Hahaha! :thumbsup: If you say them both five times really quick the names roll into each other.
An even better one is to send me your address and I will send you a piece of miracle tape. When you apply the miracle tape to your faith donation (we recommend the greater your faith the greater the donation) and chant the miracle words: "Peter Popoff taught Microsoft" 50 times while holding the faith donation in your left hand AND then send the donation to us...

We will place your miracle tape and prayer request in our prayer bucket here by the desk where it will be constantly on our thoughts as we pray!

:eek:

(sorry - had to work New Year's Eve shorthanded and busy!)

[Svt4Him]

OK, got my special order. I can quote direct to point out the lies in it...I'll attach a photo first though, the post some direct quotes.

[Svt4Him]

OK, here it goes: purple page- ministry letter:

"our prayer center received your phone call and your prayer request for God's blessings on your finances. I have been praying on your behalf non-stop ever since the operator gave me your name. Vince, did I spell that correct? When you called perhaps you thought it was by accident...I feel that a Higher power directed you to call. I have something important to tell you...so please read on"

Well, I did not phone, I requested it via email. I'd hope he got my name right, I entered it into the form.

Hard things God showed PP about me will be a thing of the past. But God will ""use my (God's) prophet to lead thee (me) into deliverance...and release miracles of love, success, new health and joyous living"...as you can see you make the right new contact"

"the faith in my heart is saying to you, Vince, during the next few weeks you can become prosperous, more joyous than ever before, understand and know your future, and live a life filled to overflowing with love and happiness."

Wow, how you ask? Well:
"On February 25 2008, the miraculous occurs. Your greatest prayer shall be answered and your greatest wish shall come to be"

"But, we must work to restore the power, peace, health and prosperity that satan has stolen from you. God revealed to me in an awesome, SECRET VISION...things that I MUST SHARE with you at this time" (bold in original quote)

"I have been assigned by God to help you..."
1. next few weeks I'll get $1,700 to $17,000
2 I'll get authority and influence
3. Someone who causes fear "will be removed"
4. James will speak to me.

"Let me follow the direct leading of the Holy Spirit here...just as God opened up a SECRET WAY OF DELIVERANCE for the children of Israel...God is now ready to OPEN UP A SECRET WAY OF DELIVERANCE FOR YOU.

Vince, there are 3 more IMPORTANT PROPHETIC events that are yet to be revealed...HOWEVER...I must obey God in this. YOUR OBEDIENCE IS THE KEY! I CAN ONLY REVEAL THEM TO YOU IN MY ANSWER...Obey God in this!"

Directions to place water under my bed so the angel of the Lord will trouble this water as you sleep tonight"

"According to St. Luke 6:38...you MUST QUALIFY YOURSELF for a supernatural blessing...Yes, theis harvest of great INCOME..." (Give and it will be given to you)

How do I qualify? Well, I'm glad you asked:
"the way to QUALIFY yourself for a PRESSED DOWN, SHAKEN TOGETHER AND RUNNING OVER BLESSING IS TO "G I V E""

After I drink the water, "plant a HOLY CONSECRATED SEED for a Great Harvest Offering of $17.00. No, I don't want you to send $37 or $77"

Good thing too, I was just about to send $77.

When I return the money, I get the remainder of the prophecy. And if I reply, I get a free book. Signed my new friend, Prophet Peter Popoff.

[Svt4Him]

Red envelope:
The word spoken as "God's messenger, as God's prophet of prosperity...
FOR YEA, MY SON VINCE, DO NOT REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF MANY AND ALLOW SHORTAGE OR ADVERSITY TO AFFECT YOU GENEROSITY TOWARDS ME (so even if you're poor, send to PP) DO NOT THINK OF THE THINGS YOU NEED (like food) YOU WILL CERTAINLY HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH, EVEN "EXCEEDING ABUNDANTLY ABOVE ALL THAT YOU, VINCE ASK OR THINK" EPH. 3:20 (does God have to use quotes if He's quoting Himself?) ...SNIP...NOW IS YOUR TIME TO OBEY...QUENCH NOT MY SPIRIT FOR i SHALL SURELY BLESS THEE AND THOU SHALT ALSO BE A GREAT, GREAT BLESSING". (words in brackets added by me, grammar errors included in letter)

Ha, get this:

" PETER, I AM MOVING FORWARD...IN JESUS' NAME, BY FAITH! HERE IS MY GIFT OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE TO GOD:
AMOUNT ENCLOSED: ( ) 17.00 ( ) OTHER_______

Envelope comes with Russian spring water that saved Ukrainian people. Ya, did I mention my wife's Ukrainian and was in Kiev when the disaster happened?

[Svt4Him]

blue envelope:

"I am reaching out to you...under a direct mandate from God in order to enable you to master certain Divine principles so that you can enjoy your Divine Birthright"

Bunch of stuff about how this prophet of God MUST SPEAK to me in my ear in a "PROPHETIC WORD" but he needs to hold something I've touched. There is a silver type bow string thing that "That's why I have enclosed this God and Silver LUKE 6:38 BLESSINGS BRACELET. I want you to take it and tie it on your RIGHT WRIST TONIGHT ONLY.."
followed by another prophetic word ...I'll type it out:

"Vince, God just dropped this word into my spirit for you..."FOR YEA, MY SON, YOU ARE A PRODUCTIVE PERSON...AN UNCOMMON ACHIEVER, LIVING IN A DOUBTING WORLD...BUT YOU ARE ONE WHO BELIEVES, IN THIS WEEPING WORLD YOU ARE ON WHO REJOICES IN MY WORD...IN A QUITTING WORLD YOU ARE ONE THAT PERSERVERES...AND...THAT IS WHY I HAVE SEND MY PROPHET TO YOU...WITH A SUPERNATURAL SECRET THAT WILL RELEASE MY POWER IN YOUR LIFE AND CAUSE DIVINE SUBSTANCE TO MATERIALIZE...WILL YOU OBEY ME, SAITH GOD?""

How do I get this? Well, through "RELEASING YOUR SEED FAITH. SEED FAITH HAS THE POWER TO TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AN DCREATE WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE"
"You prove you have God's nature by what you give away"
"God has sent me with this AWESOME SECRET and I MUST SPEAK IT INTO YOUR EAR IN MY OWN VOICE...YOU ARE READY TO ASK FOR A GREAT HARVEST...and God is now asking for a SEED to release that GREAT HARVEST"


How much? Well, $27.

Why so little you think? Well, that's the best way to get people to give. If he asked for too much people won't respond. Marketing 101.

[Svt4Him]

I also have to add, I got another the day after the first, I'll post more when I read it.

[Alpine]

You do realize you're now on his mailing list? :-)

[lismore]

Yes its Dead Sea Salt and Miracle Mirrors next:(

[Svt4Him]

You do realize you're now on his mailing list? :-)

I do. But I will then continue to report his outright lies any chance I get. Some need to hear it. And these are lies I've personally been a part of, not something I've heard.

[Svt4Him]

Wow, a letter a day. The newest one?:

Well, again I'm going to get a raise. "Dear member of the "112 Team of God's Potential Millionaires""

And PP saw me! He really saw me in his vision. Now I'm walking up the stairs, and there are '3 things that can drastically change my present situation' But:

"THE LEVEL OF YOUR COMMITMENT DETERMINES YOUR LEVEL OF BLESSINGS AND MIRACLES". It's so strong, that the only way to lose this is to ignore these letters. I need to fill out some special leaves, but I need to open the "WARNING: Do not leave this in your house more than 3 days...IF FOR ANY REASON YOU DO NOT ANSWER THIS LETTER...RETURN THIS TO ME (UN-OPENED) please! Read my letter before you OPEN IT!"

How much you ask? Well, it started out with only $17, but within five short days, ready for it? $200 or $25 per month for an indefinite time.

[lismore]

Newsflash!

Revelation TV have booted Peter Popoff off their channel! Announced yesterday.

:)

[Svt4Him]

Thank God, and I really mean that.

[Svt4Him]

OK, just found another one:

God is leading me to challenge you to sow a seed-gift of $27.00. Now if that's impossible and you can in now way do that...sow at least $17.00/ YOU CAN'T COME BEFORE GOD WITH EMPTY HANDS. Now fill out this entire prayer page and return it to me with your offering. Then get ready to taste and see that the Lord is GOOD!

Wow, he's telling someone who can't afford $27 to at least send $17. Can you imagine?

[mdaniel]

Can you imagine?

Imagine, rather, a God just similar to the father in the Prodigal Son with his arms stretched wide open just waiting for him to repent.

The larger indictment here is that Christians are not reading their bibles. If they were they would never accept the counterfeits on television.

[MrSnow]

The larger indictment here is that Christians are not reading their bibles.

Unfortunately, that is the case.
I was thinking a few months back...to whom much is given, much is expected. For the past several hundred years christians have been able to have at least one complete Bible in their homes, and in their own language. Now we have, on average, four per household. We have no excuse to not be THE MOST biblically literate group of Christians to have ever walked the earth. But, sadly, such is not the reality of the situation.

[heron]

Now we have, on average, four per household. We have no excuse to not be THE MOST biblically literate group of Christians to have ever walked the earth.
Good thought.

The greek word used for Wormwood in Revelation was
Strong's Number: 894 aàyinqov
aàyinqov of uncertain derivation
Phonetic Spelling Apsinthos ap'-sin-thos
(sounds like Absinthe)


From Wikipedia:
The conventional explanation for the name Chernobyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl) has been that it means 'black grass' or 'black stalks'. In attempting to link the events of the nuclear accident to biblical prophesies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophesies), it has been claimed (see Schemann reference below) that the name of the city comes rather from a Ukrainian word chornobyl’, and that this word refers to the mugwort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugwort) (Artemisia vulgaris). Mugwort is a close relative of wormwood (Artemisia absinthium). As a result, chornobyl’ has been translated by some to be the equivalent of the English name wormwood.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/ArtemisiaVulgaris.jpg/180px-ArtemisiaVulgaris.jpg
Mugwort

The plant contains ethereal oils (such as cineole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cineole), or wormwood oil, and thujone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thujone)), flavonoids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavonoid), triterpenes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene), and coumarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coumarin) derivatives. Chewing some leaves will kill the fatigue and stimulate the nervous system. It was also used as an anthelminthic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthelminthic), so it is sometimes confused with wormwood (Artemisia absinthium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinth_Wormwood)).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Artemisia_absinthium_P1210748.jpg/180px-Artemisia_absinthium_P1210748.jpg
Grande Wormwood, Artemisia absinthium
It grows naturally on uncultivated, arid ground, on rocky slopes, and at the edge of footpaths and fields.
Active substances include silica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_dioxide), two bitter elements (absinthine and anabsinthine), thujone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thujone), tannic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannin) and resinous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin) substances, malic acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malic_acid), and succinic acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succinic_acid).

Absinthium comes from Ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) ἀψίνθιον (apsinthion) [1] (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/absinthium), possibly meaning "unenjoyable", and probably referring to the bitter nature of the derived beverage [2] (http://www.uni-graz.at/%7Ekatzer/engl/Arte_vul.html), though this is likely folk etymology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_absinthium

In Russian culture, the fact that Artemisia species are commonly used in medicine, and their bitter taste is associated with medicinal effects, has caused wormwood to be seen as a symbol for a "bitter truth" that must be accepted by a deluded (often self-deluded) person. This symbol has acquired a particular poignancy in modern Russian poetry, which often deals with the loss of illusory beliefs in various ideologies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_%28plant%29

Thujone is a ketone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone) and a monoterpene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene) that exists in two stereoisomeric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoisomerism) forms: (+)-3-thujone or α-thujone and (-)-3-thujone or β-thujone. It has a menthol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menthol) odor. Even though it is best known for being a chemical in absinthe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe), recent tests show absinthe contains only small quantities of thujone, and it is not responsible for absinthe's reported hallucinogenic effects. Thujone acts on the GABA receptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GABA_receptors) in the brain and does not cause hallucinations.


10 The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. 11 The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.


Since I'm so far off topic, mbe you might be interested in some miracle wormwood brew to stave off your thirst?

[Svt4Him]

Imagine, rather, a God just similar to the father in the Prodigal Son with his arms stretched wide open just waiting for him to repent.

The larger indictment here is that Christians are not reading their bibles. If they were they would never accept the counterfeits on television.

Or imagine God actually talking about people who preach Christ for gain in the Bible. Or imagine how God will judge one who abuses His people. There are many things to imagine, but the facts are this man preaches a different gospel that God wrote, and he will be judged rather harshly if he doesn't repent. And from the beginning of time, God has resisted the proud, given grace to the humble. Perhaps he may humble himself, but if he doesn't fall on the rock, the rock will crush him. And I would argue with your belief regarding reading the Bible, as PP uses tons of Scripture in his letters. He does take advantage of them being naive, but that has little to do with reading the Bible. That seems a belief not based on actual facts.

[Svt4Him]

Last letter asked for 19, although if I wanted 1000 fold return from God, and believe in a God of double blessings, then send 38.

And the newest letter I'll open now.

[Svt4Him]

OK, Prophet Peter Popoff received a word from God specifically for me. Although the previous dates he's said have come and gone, this time it's important. I have to follow two steps. One is wear a badge, the other, very important one...I'll quote:

Vince, I have sought God to lead me in asking you what MIRACLE SEED TO SOW...a seed you can sow in FAITH... a seed that will s-t-r-e-t-c-h your faith... A seed that will move you and God... and I heard this amount $28.30 for Exodus 28:30. It is the SEED TICKET to your blessing

How much is that already?

[KenBrauckmann]

ka-ching!!

ka-ching!!

I'm losing count...! :D

[LinkH]

whatever they sell - it is repugnant - it is exactly the same as the roman catholic church was doing a few hundred years ago.


please let remove the superstitious element from the church (the worst thing is that those who cannot afford these 'miracle seeds' are often the ones that buy into it expecting a reprieve from the financial problems through the blessing of God')!


Steve
Weren't the people buying indulgences often doing it for a more noble motive, to get Grandma out of the sufferings of purgatory? Some of these infomercials tell of the tens of thousands of dollars people received from the 'miracle' product the guy is marketing.

[LinkH]

How about if we all order the miracle spring water, but pour it down the drain instead of paying him the $17 dollars to make it work. (I think that was the figure they mentioned on a news expose' about him I saw on YouTube.) If he has to pay to ship the stuff out and doesn't get a lot of money back to multitudes of people who don't send the money in, it may stop looking like a good business opportunity for him.

Those of you with free time could also call several times and talk to the sales rep for a few minutes several times. Long distance is cheap. So that probably won't cost much. But the labor and the utilization used up at the call center during his commercial could hurt his business.