Quick Question

[MbiaJc]

:clap: What must one do to be saved? :wave:

[arunma]

Here's the answer:
Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)

[JuJube]

:clap: What must one do to be saved? :wave:
Rom. 10:9,10
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

[TwistTim]

Repent of your sins and beg the forgiveness of God who would be just to destroy you, plead for His mercy and ask Him to save you from the worst of all things, not hell, not eternal falling, not destruction, but His wrath.

[MbiaJc]

Repent of your sins and beg the forgiveness of God who would be just to destroy you, plead for His mercy and ask Him to save you from the worst of all things, not hell, not beternal falling, not destruction, but His wrath.

Hi brother Tim;

Arunma and jujube hit the nail on the head. Believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is all that is required. Our salvation is a free gift of Grace. We can't obtain it no other way, but by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.
For it by Grace(the Grace of God the Father) through faith (the faith of Jesus Christ our Lord).

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
You can't buy, earn, by or steal it salvation it is a free gift of Grace. :amen: :amen: :amen:

[mlqurgw]

:clap: What must one do to be saved? :wave:
The answer is NOTHING! Which was the point of the answer given to the jailor in Acts 16:31. We read in verse 32 that they spoke the word of the Lord to him and his house. Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is not doing something but resting in Him. That is the Gospel, the word of the Lord they spoke.

[MbiaJc]

The answer is NOTHING! Which was the point of the answer given to the jailor in Acts 16:31. We read in verse 32 that they spoke the word of the Lord to him and his house. Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is not doing something but resting in Him. That is the Gospel, the word of the Lord they spoke.

:amen: :amen: and:amen: I agree with you except where you say there is nothing, when the word says. Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
If Father Aberham hadn't believed God, His faith could never been counted to him as rightousneess. However believing is not works, it is a state of mind(as you put it resting in the Lord}. Works is when you carry out that state of mine, which Aberham did when he offered up Issac

[Project 86]

:clap: What must one do to be saved? :wave:

Repenting of your sins and trusting in Jesus as your Lord in Savior is the short answer. I wrote an article (http://www.issuesthatmatter.com/christian.htm) on this topic which is on my web site. I also have posted it on this web site which caused some controversy.

[MbiaJc]

Repenting of your sins and trusting in Jesus as your Lord in Savior is the short answer. I wrote an article (http://www.issuesthatmatter.com/christian.htm) on this topic which is on my web site. I also have posted it on this web site which caused some controversy.

Brother don't add something that not there. I used to say that to. However I don't think it could be plainer or simpler than in Act. 16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)

Now go back to Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter is not telling them how to be saved. He is telling saved Jews how to obtain the Holy Ghost. The thief on the cross was saved, however he did not recieve the Holy Ghost. Because he was not baptized. Now do you see the difference? One more thing, the HOLY GHOST did not lite on Jesus till he came up out of the water when John baptized Him.

[Willo]

Brother don't add something that not there. I used to say that to. However I don't think it could be plainer or simpler than in Act. 16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)

Now go back to Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter is not telling them how to be saved. He is telling saved Jews how to obtain the Holy Ghost. The thief on the cross was saved, however he did not recieve the Holy Ghost. Because he was not baptized. Now do you see the difference? One more thing, the HOLY GHOST did not lite on Jesus till he came up out of the water when John baptized Him.
How is repentance adding to salvation?

Look at what the Apostle Paul said: "Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance." - Acts 26:19-20

Paul stresses the need of repentance for one to be saved, as does Jesus and the other Apostles. Repentance is not a work that we do, but rather it is a gift of God (2 Tim. 2:25).

While I 100% agree that we are to believe (trust) in Christ, we also need to repent. But you cannot separate the two for they are two different sides of the one coin.

To be saved you need to Repent and Trust in Christ alone to save you.

[Willo]

Repent of your sins and beg the forgiveness of God who would be just to destroy you, plead for His mercy and ask Him to save you from the worst of all things, not hell, not eternal falling, not destruction, but His wrath.
Agreed, and when you understand that then Grace is truly amazing!

[Project 86]

Brother don't add something that not there. I used to say that to. However I don't think it could be plainer or simpler than in Act. 16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)

Now go back to Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter is not telling them how to be saved. He is telling saved Jews how to obtain the Holy Ghost. The thief on the cross was saved, however he did not recieve the Holy Ghost. Because he was not baptized. Now do you see the difference? One more thing, the HOLY GHOST did not lite on Jesus till he came up out of the water when John baptized Him.

Believe in the Lord Jesus and that is it? What does believe mean? Even the demons believe. Even his worse enemies believed in a man named Jesus. Some will call him Lord and still will be rejected by Jesus. If you have a hard heart and are not repentful you will not be saved and will still end up in hell. When I was in grade school I was in a Lutheran school. I believed in Jesus and that he died for us but I didn't have any repentance. What end up happening is I turned away and got involved in things such as Satanism. It was not until I was 24 that God broke me. I knew I was a sinner and repented of all that I had done. I trusted him as my Lord and Savior. At that moment I became a new creature. Also I believe that one receives the Holy Spirit at the time of conversation. It is not something that requires some addition thing like you are stating.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[DeaconDean]

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[mlqurgw]

Repentance is an absolute necessity for salvation. Only clarifying not disputing brother. Yes there is no salvation without repentance. Still, every believer does repent not because he has to but because he wants to. It follows true faith naturally. A true believer doesn't need to be told he must repent he needs to be taught what true repentance is and what it is from.

As Project86 showed, believing only isn't sufficent. The demons believe, and tremble, but does that mean they are saved? Knowing about Christ and who He is isn't saving faith. Nor does repentance make it true. Faith that saves is seeing in the Lord Jesus Christ all that God requires of me and all that I need. It is resting in Him alone without looking to anything I do, including repentance. A great many people need to repent of their repentance. When things such as repentance become the ground for assurance, blessing, peace, favor with God or anything else Christ isn't being totally relied on. Anything we do, and we are so prone to it, that gives us a little more hope or makes us feel as though God will look more favorable on us, or that will cause God to bless us is dead works of religion that need to be repented of themselves. Saving faith id resting in Him alone. When you are resting you are doing nothing. If Christ ever brings a person to rest in Him He frees him to work for the right reasons. Only when a person is resting in Christ will he ever do true good works. Repentance isn't to quit doing one thing and doing another it is turning from yourself to Christ.

What was the first thing Jesus preached after the temptation in the wilderness?

"Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." -Mt. 4:17 (KJV) What was He calling them to repent of? False religion and dead works. He wasn't talking to drunks and adulterers and thieves and the profligate specifically. He was talking to a people who were very religious and thought they had the way to serve God. The thieves and profligates all already knew they needed to repent. He was speaking to a generation that thought they were serving God by their holiness. Not unlike this generation. You don't need to tell a sinner to quit sinning, he already knows that. You do need to tell a religious worker to quit looking to himself and his work.

Paul illustrates this very well in Rom. 10:9-10.

As to the reference to Acts 2:38, let me say:

The Greek reads:

"petroV de proV autouV, metanohsate, [fhsin,] kai baptisqhtw ekastoV umwn epi tw onomati ihsou cristou eiV afesin twn amartiwn umwn, kai lhmyesqe thn dwrean tou agiou pneumatoV:" -Acts 2:38 (GNT)

The word to be concerned with here is "baptisqhtw".

Now I will not define what this word means because we all know what Baptizo means. Rather, we should look at the other elements involved with this word.

baptisqhtw is listed as being "3rd person (he/she/it), singular, aorist, (fixed point in time reference, "The Aorist is said to be "simple occurrence" or "summary occurrence", without regard for the amount of time taken to accomplish the action. This tense is also often referred to as the 'punctiliar' tense. 'Punctiliar' in this sense means 'viewed as a single, collective whole,' a "one-point-in-time" action, although it may actually take place over a period of time. In the indicative mood the aorist tense denotes action that occurred in the past time, often translated like the English simple past tense, http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm#AORIST (http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm#AORIST)), Passive, (does play an active role), and imperfect, (Imperfect Tense The imperfect tense shows continuous or linear type of action just like the present tense. It always indicates an action continually or repeatedly happening in past time. It portrays the action as going on for some extended period of time in the past.
The idea of continual action in the past does not apply when the verb "to be" is in the imperfect tense. There it should be considered a simple action happening in past time, without regard to its "on-going" or "repeated happening" in the past. http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm#IMPERFECT (http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/verbs1.htm#IMPERFECT).)

Simply put, these individuals were baptized because of repenting and believing. Not because it was a requirement for salavtion.

God Bless

Till all are one.The rest needs nothing added by me. ;) :thumbsup:

[MbiaJc]

Believe in the Lord Jesus and that is it? What does believe mean? Even the demons believe. Even his worse enemies believed in a man named Jesus. Some will call him Lord and still will be rejected by Jesus. If you have a hard heart and are not repentful you will not be saved and will still end up in hell. When I was in grade school I was in a Lutheran school. I believed in Jesus and that he died for us but I didn't have any repentance. What end up happening is I turned away and got involved in things such as Satanism. It was not until I was 24 that God broke me. I knew I was a sinner and repented of all that I had done. I trusted him as my Lord and Savior. At that moment I became a new creature. Also I believe that one receives the Holy Spirit at the time of conversation. It is not something that requires some addition thing like you are stating.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So you think this statment is a false statment???????

16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)

[MbiaJc]

How is repentance adding to salvation?

Look at what the Apostle Paul said: "Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance." - Acts 26:19-20

Paul stresses the need of repentance for one to be saved, as does Jesus and the other Apostles. Repentance is not a work that we do, but rather it is a gift of God (2 Tim. 2:25).

While I 100% agree that we are to believe (trust) in Christ, we also need to repent. But you cannot separate the two for they are two different sides of the one coin.

To be saved you need to Repent and Trust in Christ alone to save you.

If they can not be seperated then this statment is false.

16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)?????????????

[Vambram]

Well, one don't need to be a Bible expert to see that its the same Apostle Paul who spoke in Acts 16:30-31 and in Acts 26:19-20. I doubt that there is anyone whom thinks that Paul is contradicting himself and what he preached & taught.

[DeaconDean]

And here I thought all these years repentance of sins and faith/believing that Jesus Christ was the Son of the Living God, and that He arose from the dead on the third day was the key to salvation.

Hum...I guess one person here who said I was a false teacher and promoting false doctrine was correct.

But how could I have got it so wrong? :scratch:

Gonna have to think that one over.

I'm outta here.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[MbiaJc]

Willo;40974578
How is repentance adding to salvation?


Because the scripture plainly says all that is necessary is believe in Jesus Christ.

Look at what the Apostle Paul said: "Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance." - Acts 26:19-20

I think mlqurgw explained that real well in post #14. We work out of love not necessity.

Paul stresses the need of repentance for one to be saved, as does Jesus and the other Apostles. Repentance is not a work that we do, but rather it is a gift of God (2 Tim. 2:25).

Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
and
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

These two scriptures are the simplest as to what one must do and neither mention repentance. Repentance is definately a work because it takes a action to preform it.

We can not come to the Son without the Father draw us. Also every thing that we have and do is a gift from God. However that doesn't mean everything is a Gracious free gift.

While I 100% agree that we are to believe (trust) in Christ, we also need to repent. But you cannot separate the two for they are two different sides of the one coin.

To be saved you need to Repent and Trust in Christ alone to save you.

Tow different sides of the one coin seperates them verry well.

[MbiaJc]

Believe in the Lord Jesus and that is it? What does believe mean? Even the demons believe. Even his worse enemies believed in a man named Jesus. Some will call him Lord and still will be rejected by Jesus. If you have a hard heart and are not repentful you will not be saved and will still end up in hell. When I was in grade school I was in a Lutheran school. I believed in Jesus and that he died for us but I didn't have any repentance. What end up happening is I turned away and got involved in things such as Satanism. It was not until I was 24 that God broke me. I knew I was a sinner and repented of all that I had done. I trusted him as my Lord and Savior. At that moment I became a new creature. Also I believe that one receives the Holy Spirit at the time of conversation. It is not something that requires some addition thing like you are stating.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Repentance does not get it, Judas was sorrful and repentent. However he was not saved. He believed the wrong things.

Also I believe that one receives the Holy Spirit at the time of conversation. It is not something that requires some addition thing like you are stating.

Show some scripture for openions for without they are just that openions.

I have given two scriptures that proves when we recieve the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

[MbiaJc]

DeaconDean;41005411 Repentance is an absolute necessity for salvation.


Simply put, these individuals were baptized because of repenting and believing. Not because it was a requirement for salavtion.

I must say I am confused!!!!!!!

[Project 86]

So you think this statment is a false statment???????

16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)

Nope. I believe every verse in the Bible to be true. I was defining what type of belief is needed. You can disagree with me if you like but you better be sure that repentance is not needed if that is what you are telling unbelievers.

[Project 86]

Repentance does not get it, Judas was sorrful and repentent. However he was not saved. He believed the wrong things.

I agree that repentance alone doesn't save you. Belief is useless unless it is in the right Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormons for example will send you to hell just as much as belief without repentance will send you to hell.

[Project 86]

If people want to learn more about the importance of repentance I recommend checking out Ray Comfort's Hell's Best Kept Secret (http://www.livingwaters.com/listenwatch.shtml). You can watch the video, listen to the audio or read the transcript.

[MbiaJc]

If people want to learn more about the importance of repentance I recommend checking out Ray Comfort's Hell's Best Kept Secret (http://www.livingwaters.com/listenwatch.shtml). You can watch the video, listen to the audio or read the transcript.

I recommend the Bible!!!!!!!!!!

[MbiaJc]

I agree that repentance alone doesn't save you. Belief is useless unless it is in the right Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormons for example will send you to hell just as much as belief without repentance will send you to hell.

Belief without repentance is like faith without works. However we do our works out of love for Jesus, not to obtain salvation.....

[DeaconDean]

Hey, since I'm totally wrong, what does it matter?

[Vambram]

And here I thought all these years repentance of sins and faith/believing that Jesus Christ was the Son of the Living God, and that He arose from the dead on the third day was the key to salvation.

Hum...I guess one person here who said I was a false teacher and promoting false doctrine was correct.

But how could I have got it so wrong? :scratch:

Gonna have to think that one over.

I'm outta here.

God Bless

Till all are one.

DeaconDean is not incorrect. Very often in the Scriptures, not only the Apostle Paul, but also Jesus and the rest of the Apostles such as Peter, preached and taught that we must repent and believe in order to be saved and born-again. Repentance and believe upon Christ trusting in HIM for the forgiveness of sins and all unrighteousness.
I alluded to what Paul preached in post #17 of this thread, MbiaJc. :thumbsup:


:groupray:

[mlqurgw]

And here I thought all these years repentance of sins and faith/believing that Jesus Christ was the Son of the Living God, and that He arose from the dead on the third day was the key to salvation.

Hum...I guess one person here who said I was a false teacher and promoting false doctrine was correct.

But how could I have got it so wrong? :scratch:

Gonna have to think that one over.

I'm outta here.

God Bless

Till all are one.
If I offended you brother please forgive me. I was only attempting to explain what true repentance is not dispute that it is necessary.

[Project 86]

I recommend the Bible!!!!!!!!!!

As do I. Of course it helps to sometimes listen to a teacher such as Ray Comfort who can show us important truth using God's word. If teachers profited us nothing then we should get rid of all pastors from our churches. I will now step out from this thread since what I believe keeps getting misrepresented. I have said what I have to say. God bless everyone and I hope what I have said is given consideration by everyone.

[Willo]

If they can not be seperated then this statment is false.

16:30-31 Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)?????????????
So let me ask you, was Paul wrong when he preached repentance? For instance look at Acts 17:30.

[Willo]

Because the scripture plainly says all that is necessary is believe in Jesus Christ.

Agreed, to trust in Christ is what is needed for salvation. But built within that trust in Christ is repentance, unless of course you are prepared to say that the Apostle Paul got it wrong when he preached repentance.

What about Jesus in Luke 13:3, 5 when He says "Repent or Perish"

Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
and
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

These two scriptures are the simplest as to what one must do and neither mention repentance. Repentance is definately a work because it takes a action to preform it.

How can repentance be a work if it is a gift from God?

"God may perhaps grant them repentance eading to a knowledge of the truth," - 2 Timothy 2:25

The Apostle Paul sees repentance as something that must come from God, so how can it be an action of man?

We can not come to the Son without the Father draw us. Also every thing that we have and do is a gift from God. However that doesn't mean everything is a Gracious free gift.

Agreed, no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws. And in light of 2 Timothy 2:25 we see that in that drawing God gives the gift of repentance.

Tow different sides of the one coin seperates them verry well.

So you can separate one coin? Belief in Christ on one side of the coin, and repentance on the other. Both are a gift and both are one thing.

[Willo]

If people want to learn more about the importance of repentance I recommend checking out Ray Comfort's Hell's Best Kept Secret (http://www.livingwaters.com/listenwatch.shtml). You can watch the video, listen to the audio or read the transcript.
Highly recommend that sermon by Ray Comfort!

[Willo]

I recommend the Bible!!!!!!!!!!
As do all those who are saying one must repent. Could you please provide answers to why the Apostle Paul preached that people must repent?

[eldermike]

All that's needed is God's first move.

Salvation is God's work alone.
Jesus asked Peter; "who do you say I am?" Peter then said: "You are the Son of the living God".........Jesus was quick to give credit where it was due: Jesus said: "You could not have know this unless my Father in Heaven told you" (Pharaphrased to show the importance of knowing scripture and not needing to look it up :) )

Salvation is all Grace.
Repentance comes from a broken heart, again it's grace.
The condemed man said: remember me when you enter your kingdom. Who told the man who Jesus was?

I reject all forms of works based salvation. It's all to easy to add a work to salvation.

The bible says one comes to know by hearing, and hearing the word of God.

I preach because many many people ARE hearing a word from God, what they need is to see a Jesus follower to connect the dots. But it's not them or me, it's God that makes these appointments.

[DeaconDean]

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God Bless

Till all are one.

[MbiaJc]

Willo;41040210 Agreed, to trust in Christ is what is needed for salvation. But built within that trust in Christ is repentance, unless of course you are prepared to say that the Apostle Paul got it wrong when he preached repentance.
Paul happened to be the one that wrote these verses, and to say it takes something else, is to say they are a lie.
Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
and
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


What about Jesus in Luke 13:3, 5 when He says "Repent or Perish"

The Leviticus Priesthood did not repent and likewise perished.

How can repentance be a work if it is a gift from God?

Repentance is a action, look up the word in any dictionary. It means a turning around. You are going doen this road, you make an about face and go in the opsite direction.

"God may perhaps grant them repentance eading to a knowledge of the truth," - 2 Timothy 2:25

We can do nothing on our own without God's help. Especially come to Jesus and the knowledge of the truth. You every heard someone say when they got saved. "well I found Jesus" I have many times, however that is a false statment. We do not find Jesus because He is not lost, He finds us.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


The Apostle Paul sees repentance as something that must come from God, so how can it be an action of man?



Agreed, no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws. And in light of 2 Timothy 2:25 we see that in that drawing God gives the gift of repentance.



So you can separate one coin? Belief in Christ on one side of the coin, and repentance on the other. Both are a gift and both are one thing.


Salvation is a free gift of Grace, no strings attached to a free gift. It is by Grace(the Grace of God) through faith(the faith of Jesus Christ). No man can say I anything pertaining to salvation. You can't earn, buy, steal it it is a gift. I think the confusion is in the difference of gifts. God gives gifts(you do this and I will do that) and He also gives free gifts where nothing is required.

[MbiaJc]

As do all those who are saying one must repent. Could you please provide answers to why the Apostle Paul preached that people must repent?

In case you missed this here it is again.

May I remind you Paul was the one that wrote both of these scriptures, in answer to what one must do to be saved. Neither of which mention repentance. To add repentance to these is saying these as they stand are a lie.

Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
and
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[MbiaJc]

So let me ask you, was Paul wrong when he preached repentance? For instance look at Acts 17:30.

Repentance has been explained on this thread several times, Go back and look.

Repentance comes out of love and respect after one is saved, not as a requirment to be saved.

Look at the two scriptures I have posted over and over that does not mention repentance. If every word of the bible is true(which it is)? Then what do these two verses tell you(for sake of meditation forget about every other scripture for a minit or two)? What are these two verses telling you?

Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
and
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[Willo]

In case you missed this here it is again.

May I remind you Paul was the one that wrote both of these scriptures, in answer to what one must do to be saved. Neither of which mention repentance. To add repentance to these is saying these as they stand are a lie.

Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)
and
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

So how would you respond to the preaching of Paul when he says:

"The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, " - Acts 17:30

"testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." - Acts 20:21

"Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance. " - Acts 26:19-20

"Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? " - Romans 2:4

"For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." - 2 Corinthians 7:10

"...God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, " - 2 Timothy 2:25

It sure looks like Paul was a preacher of repentance unto salvation. So I would be interested to know how you would explain away the above scriptures.

[Willo]

Repentance has been explained on this thread several times, Go back and look.

Repentance comes out of love and respect after one is saved, not as a requirment to be saved.

So the Bible is wrong then when it says:

"And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. " - Acts 2:38

"Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, " - Acts 3:19

"...And they glorified God, saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life." - Acts 11:18

"For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." - 2 Corinthians 7:10

All those passages show that repentance is needed in order to be saved. Yet you are saying that repentance isn't needed. So let me ask you, why would these passages say you need to repent, and you say you don't?

[Willo]

In regards to Romans 10:9: "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

Please keep in mind that 'believe' means in the Greek "trust, faith, belief"

Paul says: "...repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21). Now why does Paul put repentance and faith (belief, trust) in Christ in the same sentence in regards to salvation?

Surely he is showing that both are needed for salvation.

Also if one truly believes in Christ, then their life will change, which is repentance. So you cannot sit on two passages and say that it excludes repentance.

[MbiaJc]

So how would you respond to the preaching of Paul when he says:

"The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, " - Acts 17:30

"testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." - Acts 20:21

"Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance. " - Acts 26:19-20

"Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? " - Romans 2:4

"For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." - 2 Corinthians 7:10

"...God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, " - 2 Timothy 2:25

It sure looks like Paul was a preacher of repentance unto salvation. So I would be interested to know how you would explain away the above scriptures.

I don't think you read the post just before this one, which has been explained several times in this thread.

In second Cor. 7:10 Paul is talking to the saints at Corenth. This one man was having his fathers wife. Paul had them kick him out of church. He later repented and wanted back in (which was the purpous of the punishment). Paul told them to recieve him back as a brother, aparently some didn't won't to.

[MbiaJc]

Willo;41091879
In regards to Romans 10:9: "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

Please keep in mind that 'believe' means in the Greek "trust, faith, belief"

Paul says: "...repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21). Now why does Paul put repentance and faith (belief, trust) in Christ in the same sentence in regards to salvation?

Surely he is showing that both are needed for salvation.


Not at all

Also if one truly believes in Christ, then their life will change, which is repentance. So you cannot sit on two passages and say that it excludes repentance.

Exactly, that is what we have been trying to tell you. we do it out of love because we have been saved, not out of works to be saved.

[Willo]

So if repentance isn't needed for someone to be saved, why then did Paul preach repentance unto salvation?

[daveleau]

Here's the answer:
Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31)


Yes. Luke's recording in Acts made it plain and simple.

One is not saved by works, but instead works are a sign and calling of the saved. Eph 2:8-10

Repentance is a sign of salvation.

[TwistTim]

How is Repentance a work? It is a thing done, it is the humbled self-defacing acknowledgment that you personally are a sinner in the presence of a righteous and just Judge who has found you guilty and wanting... You are agreeing that you are what God says you are.

If you ever lusted, you are an adultery at heart. If you were ever unjustly angry in your heart against your brother, you are a murderer. If you ever stole a thing regardless of value your a thief. If you ever said something false against another or just said something false for your benefit to another, you bore false witness and you are liar.

All these deserve the same fate from the Just Judge of the Cosmos, The Exalted One of Israel who is the Most High. Because you have Offended Him by breaking His Laws He placed not only in the book but in the hearts of men ("having not the law, they have a law unto themselves, even their conscience bearing witness against them"). You are therefore Guilty before Him and Deserving of whatever He may chose to do to you and more, It is Mercy He doesn't do that as soon as you sin, and Grace is found in His offers forgiveness though the perfect willing sacrificial death of His Son.

If you will Repent before God of your sins, and Pray to Him, Seeking His Grace, not the prayers of a man, but your own prayers you will find Him. (remember the parable of the tax collector and the Levitt in the Temple praying? - the practiced prayer was as rubbish to God and the humbled heart was loved by God?)

That is what we mean by Repentance and Faith for Salvation, not some Roman Catholic Dogmatic Confessional thingy..... maybe that will help those of you who are bashing us understand us....

[eldermike]

Titus 3:3-7 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)

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3 For we too were once foolish, disobedient, deceived, captives of various passions (A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30100A)) and pleasures, (B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30100B)) living in malice and envy, hateful, detesting one another.
4 But when the goodness and love for man
appeared from God our Savior, (C (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30101C))
5 He saved us (D (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30102D)) —
not by works of righteousness that we had done, (E (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30102E))
but according to His mercy, (F (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30102F))
through the washing of regeneration (G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30102G))
and renewal by the Holy Spirit. (H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30102H))
6 This [Spirit] He poured out on us abundantly (I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30103I))
through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, (J (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30104J)) we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life. (K (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tit%203:3-7;&version=77;#cen-HCSB-30104K))


Verse 5 - He saved us - That's clear
Verse 7 - So we may become - Every good thing you do, including knowing what you once were comes after He saved you. That's clear.

[TexasSky]

I have to agree that salvation is dependent upon belief.

Repentance actually comes AFTER salvation.
Once you have Christ in your life, He brings you to repentance.

A sinner who does not know Christ has no desire to repent. It is Christ within the sinner that makes the sinner repent.

[daveleau]

I have to agree that salvation is dependent upon belief.

Repentance actually comes AFTER salvation.
Once you have Christ in your life, He brings you to repentance.

A sinner who does not know Christ has no desire to repent. It is Christ within the sinner that makes the sinner repent.

Exactly. One cannot repent unless they do so through the work of the Spirit. Those who do not repent are known by Jesus beforehand to not be sincere, I believe. Jesus knows the heart. And, like the young rich man, Jesus knew what the man held onto that would be a barrier to salvation.

In Him,
Dave

[JuJube]

It is the same as to what James was talking about in Ja. 2:18 saying that without a faith that is truely in Christ you will not have works. The works come about after and naturally to the new man created in Christ. They prove one has true faith. Same with repentance, it becomes a natural thing to do.
I am not saying by any means that repentance is a work. I am agreeing that repentance just like our works prove that we have put our faith in Christ . It is a work of the Holy Spirit...nothing that we could do on our own.

[DeaconDean]

If I offended you brother please forgive me. I was only attempting to explain what true repentance is not dispute that it is necessary.

No it is nothing you have done per se, its just that every time I post here lately, Satan has been using somebody to attack it. He is really working hard on me for some reason.

I have been and always will, remain your humble servant.

God Bless

Till all are one.