stranger
13th November 2007, 10:11 PM
The KEY central discussion of the need for changes in the site sructure has been sidelined by the incogniti who really control this site to this location ...
presumably hoping that no-one will find it here because wiki has such a bad name,
and they can delete anything they don't want to hear even more easily here than the trouble of censoring the whole thread ...
it rather staggered me that they have the power to just shut down a whole topical crucially important thread for a whole week and then can just side-lie it here without anyone complaining bitterly that they have been disenfranchised from decisions about the site structure, not even allowed a voice ...
I for one am tired of these petty political tricks endlessly played on this site because the site structure allows an 'elite' to have power over others to censor , gag, ban, delete works with no recourse to Jesus rules for ALL Christians in these acts of disenfranchisement.
Jesus did not allow inequality, such as we have here, between his disciples and if this is ever to be a christian site, then the rules have to remove the inequality that corrupts people to disenfranchise others on basis of personal belief or misbelief ...
Jesus laid down a perfectly loving system for interaction between people and if one truly believed him then one would accept that his way is the ONLY way as he said, and adopt it here
If people really believe in Jesus, why NOT follow his way? Surely one does not believe him that his is the only way if one follows another way in life ?
We have inequality here of powers to censor and punish , we have sinners judging others who should not even be tempted to judge by the site , we do not have equal freedom of speech for all even about the site structure, we have many who feel disenfranchised and few who will speak up about this sin against the meek , we have apartheid here of 'christians' who by definition in scripture are one group , undivided, and yet the site which COULD unite Christians in one roup by reproof to scripture even sidelines that task in favour of separation of groups which cannot be separate and still be Christian
We have site politics because power is given to individuals to silence and even ban others from speaking , even their legitimate right of appeal against the endless injustices here created solely by the wrong structuring of the site
It is then absurdly contradictory to just sally on without REPROOF of the site to Jesus' principles of love , an over-riding rule of love needs to be applied above any rule here if this were to become a Christian site , that is by DEFINITION , not opinion..
And the definition of Chrsitain is given by St Paul in scripture and is different from that supposedly of the contentious Nicene creed , the earlier uncontroversial definition given by the saint is consistent with ALL who believe scripture because it IS scripture :-
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Sinners thus have to depart from sin to become Christians, become saints of the congregation of God
One should understand this from God before following sinners' teachings
As a second witness, Jesus himself states that he will not take anyone at his return who has not ceased from sin :-
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,ye that work iniquity.
That is what God inspired to be written in scripture, and the saints are united as one by God's own spirit leading them to one truth
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
Thus no-one who is not led into all truth, who understands all scripture , should be telling anyone else what they can or cannot discuss , let alone teaching others what to believe ...
This then is the explanation behind divided 'christianity' that sinners teach sinners what to believe and any number of tales are taught , but not by saints, by sinners ...
It is just as foolish to put sinners in charge of decisions on this site then too... let Jesus make the rules, he has set them down for us in scripture ,and if we BELIEVE him then we will follow his way... but it is not happening here, the very principles of the site are against the principles of Jesus ... so it doesn't work , nor could it ...
The division of this site continues unabated, no-one in command realising that love of christians is PERFECTED in interaction with the world... one cannot love everyone if one locks oneself away in a closet because one does not like what sinners say !
Even as a kid my people used to say words can never harm you, they can hurt, but one grows through seeing through them.... one cannot grow in the dark, nor is one;'s light for hiding under a bushel [if one has any light that is...
John the Baptist spoke of the baptism of 'fire' necessary for those who follow Jesus , the precious trial of faith in the world , against Satan, nose to nose, not locked away in a closet with one's closest few...
it is PRECIOUS , not a thing to be avoided ... and the site is still going the wrong way then , not realising that love has to be given, else it dies ... so it has to be given now in an increasingly evil world , and very much despite the evil one gets mostly in return... love does its work that way , because everyone knows they are wrong when they are evil or sin... everyone knows love is right [Adam and Eve took that knowledge for us, so we are guilty of sin when we sin, we all know ...]
I would like to see the site implement the law of Jesus, love , as the over-riding law here over any rule, that can thus be appealed against by test of whether it is loving or not, with the scripture as the common ground of ALL Christians , we do not need any alternative that divides men who wish to follow Jesus into arbitrary groups who simply cannot all know the one truth because they disagree...
If one sees then that men must understand the scripture and come to one truth BEFORE deciding what to say the BELIEVE , then one gets around a whole host of problems on the site...
It seems worth campaigning [as I am] for people to join this call for all of us here to demand that the site is run on Jesus rules of love, not an ad hoc collection of rules from he world, abused by some abusing many, that serves to divide people, not bring men closer through love's precious , but oh-so-hard work...
Christians should be ready to work and suffer for their faith , Jesus promised that ... it is not being directed her into upholding his law though, one must uphold Jesus' law if one truly believes him, one cannot say one believes him and yet live life a different way because one sees love as 'impractical' !! If one believes in him then one must do it with all interactions , not just say it ...
In His peace,
may it be your stay,
through faith in love,
through trail of 'fire' from God ,
presumably hoping that no-one will find it here because wiki has such a bad name,
and they can delete anything they don't want to hear even more easily here than the trouble of censoring the whole thread ...
it rather staggered me that they have the power to just shut down a whole topical crucially important thread for a whole week and then can just side-lie it here without anyone complaining bitterly that they have been disenfranchised from decisions about the site structure, not even allowed a voice ...
I for one am tired of these petty political tricks endlessly played on this site because the site structure allows an 'elite' to have power over others to censor , gag, ban, delete works with no recourse to Jesus rules for ALL Christians in these acts of disenfranchisement.
Jesus did not allow inequality, such as we have here, between his disciples and if this is ever to be a christian site, then the rules have to remove the inequality that corrupts people to disenfranchise others on basis of personal belief or misbelief ...
Jesus laid down a perfectly loving system for interaction between people and if one truly believed him then one would accept that his way is the ONLY way as he said, and adopt it here
If people really believe in Jesus, why NOT follow his way? Surely one does not believe him that his is the only way if one follows another way in life ?
We have inequality here of powers to censor and punish , we have sinners judging others who should not even be tempted to judge by the site , we do not have equal freedom of speech for all even about the site structure, we have many who feel disenfranchised and few who will speak up about this sin against the meek , we have apartheid here of 'christians' who by definition in scripture are one group , undivided, and yet the site which COULD unite Christians in one roup by reproof to scripture even sidelines that task in favour of separation of groups which cannot be separate and still be Christian
We have site politics because power is given to individuals to silence and even ban others from speaking , even their legitimate right of appeal against the endless injustices here created solely by the wrong structuring of the site
It is then absurdly contradictory to just sally on without REPROOF of the site to Jesus' principles of love , an over-riding rule of love needs to be applied above any rule here if this were to become a Christian site , that is by DEFINITION , not opinion..
And the definition of Chrsitain is given by St Paul in scripture and is different from that supposedly of the contentious Nicene creed , the earlier uncontroversial definition given by the saint is consistent with ALL who believe scripture because it IS scripture :-
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Sinners thus have to depart from sin to become Christians, become saints of the congregation of God
One should understand this from God before following sinners' teachings
As a second witness, Jesus himself states that he will not take anyone at his return who has not ceased from sin :-
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,ye that work iniquity.
That is what God inspired to be written in scripture, and the saints are united as one by God's own spirit leading them to one truth
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
Thus no-one who is not led into all truth, who understands all scripture , should be telling anyone else what they can or cannot discuss , let alone teaching others what to believe ...
This then is the explanation behind divided 'christianity' that sinners teach sinners what to believe and any number of tales are taught , but not by saints, by sinners ...
It is just as foolish to put sinners in charge of decisions on this site then too... let Jesus make the rules, he has set them down for us in scripture ,and if we BELIEVE him then we will follow his way... but it is not happening here, the very principles of the site are against the principles of Jesus ... so it doesn't work , nor could it ...
The division of this site continues unabated, no-one in command realising that love of christians is PERFECTED in interaction with the world... one cannot love everyone if one locks oneself away in a closet because one does not like what sinners say !
Even as a kid my people used to say words can never harm you, they can hurt, but one grows through seeing through them.... one cannot grow in the dark, nor is one;'s light for hiding under a bushel [if one has any light that is...
John the Baptist spoke of the baptism of 'fire' necessary for those who follow Jesus , the precious trial of faith in the world , against Satan, nose to nose, not locked away in a closet with one's closest few...
it is PRECIOUS , not a thing to be avoided ... and the site is still going the wrong way then , not realising that love has to be given, else it dies ... so it has to be given now in an increasingly evil world , and very much despite the evil one gets mostly in return... love does its work that way , because everyone knows they are wrong when they are evil or sin... everyone knows love is right [Adam and Eve took that knowledge for us, so we are guilty of sin when we sin, we all know ...]
I would like to see the site implement the law of Jesus, love , as the over-riding law here over any rule, that can thus be appealed against by test of whether it is loving or not, with the scripture as the common ground of ALL Christians , we do not need any alternative that divides men who wish to follow Jesus into arbitrary groups who simply cannot all know the one truth because they disagree...
If one sees then that men must understand the scripture and come to one truth BEFORE deciding what to say the BELIEVE , then one gets around a whole host of problems on the site...
It seems worth campaigning [as I am] for people to join this call for all of us here to demand that the site is run on Jesus rules of love, not an ad hoc collection of rules from he world, abused by some abusing many, that serves to divide people, not bring men closer through love's precious , but oh-so-hard work...
Christians should be ready to work and suffer for their faith , Jesus promised that ... it is not being directed her into upholding his law though, one must uphold Jesus' law if one truly believes him, one cannot say one believes him and yet live life a different way because one sees love as 'impractical' !! If one believes in him then one must do it with all interactions , not just say it ...
In His peace,
may it be your stay,
through faith in love,
through trail of 'fire' from God ,