I am no longer a Muslim

[MichaelArchangelos]

I went back to Malaysia with my wife, and her parents were very upset that she had married a Muslim. Her father said that he would give me a chance if I would renounce Islam and become a Hindu. I agreed. So I've been going to the Hindu temples here, and I've attended Puja (worship). It's beautiful.

Just thought I'd let you know.

[AJB4]

:eek: :confused: :scratch:

You are one complex guy.

[SeraphimSarov]

Are you for real?

[MariaRegina]

You know that I am praying for you, Michael.

Have the muslims put a futwa on your head?

[SeraphimSarov]

Have the muslims put a futwa on your head?
I doubt this person is even real anymore.

http://bugtraq.ru/library/underground/.keep/trolls.feed.jpg

[flod logic]

:scratch:
Do you happen to know PaladinGirl by any chance...

[Tsarina]

So you're no longer Jibreal anymore, hunh? What shall i call you know?

I have to say, your converting journey has been pretty complex. Just know that I am still praying for you and Seeta.

[MariaRegina]

Hey, maybe if we pray instead of criticize, maybe he will find his way home to Orthodoxy.

[SeraphimSarov]

If he's even real.

[wynd]

If he's even real.

It shouldn't matter if someone is a Muslim or a troll—we can pray for them both.

[nutroll]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I don't think you're really a Hindu, any more than you were a Muslim, or a Christian, or whatever else. Can't you see that constantly changing your beliefs means that you have no beliefs to begin with? When are you going to really be serious enough with yourself to be able to commit your heart to something instead of just saying that you believe things? To be honest, I care less about you being Orthodox, or even Christian, than I do about you really believing something or really anything. Until that happens, you can't ever really discover the truth.

[SeraphimSarov]

Ditto to nutroll.

[MariaRegina]

What are his parents thinking?

Could they face sanctions by the Muslim authorities?

Changing one's faith can be very risky behavior. Not only could one face death threats, but family members can be brutally murdered too. His father-in-law is now at risk, his wife, etc. This is so sad.

Perhaps Michael doesn't know what he has done.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do," Christ prayed.

Let us pray for him that he finds stability.

Lord have mercy.

[Protoevangel]

http://www.cadre-enterprises.com/phrases/pics/PHR0120-34_mental-problems-1clr_87x99-7731%281%29.jpg

[Orthosdoxa]

November 9th, 2007 02:54 pm
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I'm Going Back To The Mormon Church
Well everyone, I have made my decision. I'm going back to the Mormon Church. I will hopefully talk to the bishop soon and confess my sins to him. I hope that I am not seriously punished for what I have done wrong.
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I Switched to the Christian Seeker Faith Icon
I have switched from using a Catholic faith icon to using the Christian Seeker icon. Why? Because I am currently investigating Mormonism once more. I think I might go back to Mormonism but I am not certain yet. It is something I have to pray about.
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I Went To Confession Yesterday Evening
I went to confession yesterday evening. I am finally back in full communion with the Catholic Church and it feels great!
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October 30th, 2007 05:09 am
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I Have Finally Decided On The United Methodist Church
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October 27th, 2007 11:58 am
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Back to Liberal Christianity
Well everyone, I have decided to go back to being a liberal Christian. Mormonism is too legalistic for me and I don't like the idea that if you commit a "serious" sin that you can be disfellowshipped or even excommunicated. I find that to be rather ridiculous. So I am going back to liberal Christianity.

What do I believe? I believe that sex before marriage is fine, that abortion is fine, that euthanasia is fine, that the death penalty is not fine, and that gay marriage is fine too. That is what I believe.************************

October 18th, 2007 02:12 am
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I'm Coming Back To The LDS Church
Well everyone, I am coming back to the LDS Church. I honestly believe all that they teach and I do believe that there is a modern prophet of God that we have today known as Gordon B Hinckley. I am particularly attracted to the Church's doctrine of salvation and who will make it to Heaven. :)**********************************

June 11th, 2007 07:39 pm
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I Have Come Back To Catholicism
I came back to Catholicism today. I went to confession earlier and then also received the sacrament of the sick for my mental disorders. I am so happy to be home with Catholicism.

At church, I saw Missy Robbins. She was my RCIA sponsor. It turns out that she left the convent because it is not for her. I was so happy to see her.

I am so glad that I finally left Islam. Islam is a false religion and I am glad to be out of it!

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une 4th, 2007 06:25 am
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On My Way To Becoming Officially Episcopalian!
Well, I am on my way to officially becoming Episcopalian. Starting next Sunday, my priest and I are going to study the Episcopal Church. I have no idea how long we will do this for but we are starting with the Catechism in the Book of Common Prayer. I am pretty excited about all this!

Today I have an appointment with Mike. We are going to see my attorney for the first time. This attorney is the one helping me to get my disability. I can't wait to see him.

I am still pretty tired right now. I am thinking about going back to bed....

[OnTheWay]

From what I understand you cannot become a Hindu, you're either born one or you're not. Hinduism is very complicated, and it's as much social as it is religious. For example, you'd have to adhear to the caste system. Problem is you can't join a caste nor can you improve the caste to which you belong. As an example Buddhism broke off from Hinduism exactly because they refused to take part in the Brahmanic system. Even if you could break into the Brahmanic system it would make marriage to anyone but a Hindu of your own caste impossible.
You can take up Hindu practices, but full intergration into the religion is not possible.

[Orthosdoxa]

The above is from Paladin Girl's blog. Either MA and she are the same person, or the proliferation of beliefs out there makes some people just crazy, and they can never be sure what they believe.

Very, very sad.

[All4Christ]

wow

[OnTheWay]

I once met a Wiccan LDS high preistess and coven leader, so at least she does them one at a time. :P

[AJB4]

Crazy people...and PaladinGirl obviously didn't stay Mormon for long after her November 9th (?) post. She's now Catholic again. http://forumplanet.gamespy.com/images/faces/25.gif

[Protoevangel]

http://www.cadre-enterprises.com/phrases/pics/PHR0560-44_friends-flakes_100x100-12593%286%29.jpg

[Silentchapel]

Not a Moslem anymore? Good enough for me.

[Monica, child of God]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the update. Can you give a little more information about what you believe now? I know you are saying that you are Hindu, but what do you actually believe now?

M.

[MichaelArchangelos]

I assure you I am real. And I am also offended by your ignorance of Islam. A fatwa is an Islamic legal ruling. It is NOT a death sentence, but I see where this comes from: Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for writing "The Satanic Verses". This does not make a fatwa a death sentence any more than a king ordering the death of someone makes a royal proclamation a death sentence.

Apostates to Islam are NOT killed. At the time the particular hadith was written, the Muslim ummah (community) was one nation. To leave the religion was to leave the nation, which was seen as treason. A person who embraces Islam but then leaves it without truly understanding what it is is not to be killed, according to the scholars. The two types of apostates to be killed are those who join Islam with the intention of destroying the Muslim community from the inside, and those who leave Islam to join the enemies of Islam.

Aria, your ignorance of Islam and Malaysian customs is showing through. For a start, only one person in Malaysia know that I am a Muslim, and he has no idea where to find me. Secondly, my parents live in New Zealand, where freedom of religion is guaranteed. Thirdly, my father-in-law is a former civil servant, he knows the Prime Minister of Malaysia and the people in charge of the police. He has tremendous power and while I am under his protection, no-one can harm me.

And as I said, only one person (possibly two) know that I have left Islam. They have no idea where I am, and even if they did, they can't do much to me except make me feel bad and try to shame me back into accepting Islam.

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true. While some Muslims may do that, that doesn't mean that all of Islam is like that. While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.

[Monica, child of God]

Also, is Seeta still a Christian of some sort?

M.

[Silentchapel]

You forgot to mention, Michael, that Moslems cannot pick and choose which Hadiths to apply regardless of the reasons they were put into place. The same reasoning is used by some Christians to justify gay marriage "because people didn't know better then."

[SaintPhotios]

I assure you I am real. And I am also offended by your ignorance of Islam. A fatwa is an Islamic legal ruling. It is NOT a death sentence, but I see where this comes from: Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for writing "The Satanic Verses". This does not make a fatwa a death sentence any more than a king ordering the death of someone makes a royal proclamation a death sentence.

Apostates to Islam are NOT killed. At the time the particular hadith was written, the Muslim ummah (community) was one nation. To leave the religion was to leave the nation, which was seen as treason. A person who embraces Islam but then leaves it without truly understanding what it is is not to be killed, according to the scholars. The two types of apostates to be killed are those who join Islam with the intention of destroying the Muslim community from the inside, and those who leave Islam to join the enemies of Islam.

Aria, your ignorance of Islam and Malaysian customs is showing through. For a start, only one person in Malaysia know that I am a Muslim, and he has no idea where to find me. Secondly, my parents live in New Zealand, where freedom of religion is guaranteed. Thirdly, my father-in-law is a former civil servant, he knows the Prime Minister of Malaysia and the people in charge of the police. He has tremendous power and while I am under his protection, no-one can harm me.

And as I said, only one person (possibly two) know that I have left Islam. They have no idea where I am, and even if they did, they can't do much to me except make me feel bad and try to shame me back into accepting Islam.

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true. While some Muslims may do that, that doesn't mean that all of Islam is like that. While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.
Man, with all due respect, you just seem extremely confused. I don't know you and admittedly have never made myself too familiar with your posts on here. But you're a 22 year old guy that seems to change your faith with the wind -- as a result of a knee-jerk suggestion of your father-in-law no less. This is pretty convincing evidence that you had no real belief in either Islam or Hinduism.

Think about it..... Orthodoxy, Islam, Hinduism -- all of these faiths are polar opposites of one another. And I apologize if I'm mistaken, but it sounds like much of this cry for attention may be just that. Why else would someone go to forums of faiths they now oppose?

Deep down, simply taking a step back and looking at your life, you know that faith has never been part of the equation. But to make things worse, you now have a wife and sounds like kids soon enough. You're going to destroy their lives because you still feel like you have to go god-hopping for the pursuit of the new and unknown. And in some sick way, these criticisms that you so frequently invite are welcomed in your mind. Because after all, even negative attention..... is still attention.

My sincere advice to you, with all concern for you well being, is grow up. Do not pray, because I honestly can't be sure which God you would pray to from one day to the next. And I wouldn't encourage you to provoke anymore wrath than you already have. But seriously... just grow up and humble yourself. We are the same age, and I struggle to wave off my natural feelings of invincibility. But we both know they're false, and you need to sort your life out and realize the harm you're doing, not only to yourself, but everyone in your life. Your inquiry is welcome here.... but our attention will get you nowhere. I'm sure you have the prayers of TAW, but you have some choices to make. God be with you.

[MichaelArchangelos]

Thanks for the update. Can you give a little more information about what you believe now? I know you are saying that you are Hindu, but what do you actually believe now?

I believe in one God. Apart from that, I don't know that much about Hinduism yet. Seeta's parents will get scholars to explain it to me.

Also, is Seeta still a Christian of some sort?

M.

No, Seeta is a Hindu too. She should be meeting me at the temple in about 20 mins (depending if the rain stops or not).

You forgot to mention, Michael, that Moslems cannot pick and choose which Hadiths to apply regardless of the reasons they were put into place. The same reasoning is used by some Christians to justify gay marriage "because people didn't know better then."

Actually, that isn't entirely correct. Not all hadiths are genuine - some are classified as 'weak' or 'daif'. There are two volumes of authentic ahadith - Sahih Muslim and Sahih Al-Bukhari. Muslim scholars have deemed all these hadiths to be authentic saying of Muhammad.

I am actually living in a Muslim country now (although here Shari'ah law only applies to Muslims; non-Muslims cannot speak in the Shari'ah court) and here apostates from Islam are not killed. They might be pressured to return to Islam, and if they are Malays, they would lose their special priveliges in commerce, education etc if they left Islam, but no-one is going to kill them.

[-Kyriaki-]

...so you're saying that you're a Hindu, even though you don't know anything about it?

*sighs*

Well, I'm glad you're no longer a Muslim. That is the good thing.

[Vasileios]

Believing in one God and becoming a Hindu?
That makes sense.

I want to be an anarchist imperialist.

[Xpycoctomos]

So, what happened to your girlfriend becoming orthodox? She never did?

MA... I think you're real becuase I know that there are many very confused people out there. If I am correct, that you are real, I just wonder how you interact in real life.

I hope your soon-to-be wife becomes Christian. It sounds like you will be whereever she is. And if she truly becomes Christian, surely you will follow, and while at first it will just be for her sake, perhaps something will penetrate your sould and faith and religion will have meaning to you.

Until then, it seems that you have used religion as one would chess pieces. I think it would help if you just at least admitted that. At least we'd feel like there would be some form of honest communication. Until then, these announcements are frustrating.

God bless you,

Xpy

[Emmanuel-A]

Believing in one God and becoming a Hindu?
That makes sense.

I want to be an anarchist imperialist.

Some hindus actually do believe in one god. But a god that is everything. Me, you, everything, being part of the "divine".
It's called monism.
Salvation here constists of acquiring the consciousness of your "divine" nature and reuniting it with "Godhead", where it's supposed to come from.

[Xpycoctomos]

Yeah, and you do know that Hinduism is polytheistic, right? I mean anyway, I'm just curious. You say you believe in One God. Why? Why is that important to you? What do you base that conclusion on?

I'm not worried about how you would be hindu and monotheistic in philosophy because you have all but told us that you are converting only in name (since you have a agreed to convert before having even the most basic knowledge of the religion). The fact is you won't have to reconcile them. You'll just go through some ceremony, gets some meaningless statues and probably include in their a statue of Jesus just so you can feel like you are still sensitive to CHristianity. Wierd... but I imagine not uncommon at all.

Xpy

[Xpycoctomos]

Oh, thanks Emmanuel

[nikolayalexandroff]

Congrats! I knew it. Hope, you'll become something at last. But OnTheWay's right. You definitely can't become a Hindu.

[Matrona]

Hey Michael, for your next conversion, can you do me a favor and become a Yazidi? I've always wanted to meet one of those.

[Emmanuel-A]

a Yazidi?

What's a Yazidi ? :scratch:

[Lukaris]

I assure you I am real. And I am also offended by your ignorance of Islam. A fatwa is an Islamic legal ruling. It is NOT a death sentence, but I see where this comes from: Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for writing "The Satanic Verses". This does not make a fatwa a death sentence any more than a king ordering the death of someone makes a royal proclamation a death sentence.

Apostates to Islam are NOT killed. At the time the particular hadith was written, the Muslim ummah (community) was one nation. To leave the religion was to leave the nation, which was seen as treason. A person who embraces Islam but then leaves it without truly understanding what it is is not to be killed, according to the scholars. The two types of apostates to be killed are those who join Islam with the intention of destroying the Muslim community from the inside, and those who leave Islam to join the enemies of Islam.

Aria, your ignorance of Islam and Malaysian customs is showing through. For a start, only one person in Malaysia know that I am a Muslim, and he has no idea where to find me. Secondly, my parents live in New Zealand, where freedom of religion is guaranteed. Thirdly, my father-in-law is a former civil servant, he knows the Prime Minister of Malaysia and the people in charge of the police. He has tremendous power and while I am under his protection, no-one can harm me.

And as I said, only one person (possibly two) know that I have left Islam. They have no idea where I am, and even if they did, they can't do much to me except make me feel bad and try to shame me back into accepting Islam.

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true. While some Muslims may do that, that doesn't mean that all of Islam is like that. While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.
Since you say you are real and have converted to every religion conceived of by man, you have gone full circle and can lecture us about Orthodox Christianity or any other faith group about theirs. You oughta head the World Council of Churches which embraces everything but seems to lack expertise in. Lastly, collect all your posts and write a book or novel of world religions; I really think you'll outsell the Celestine Prophecy.

[Prawnik]

I am trying resist making snarky comments, but I find it mystifying that you have apparently changed religions (again) in an attempt to win favor with your in-laws. For someone who, on the surface, appears to crave rigidity and legalism, you are quick to abandon everything about a religion, if it will get you married to Seeta more quickly or in her parents' good graces.

Also, from what I understand, some Muslims are not worried about niceties such as New Zealand law when it comes to enforcing hadithi. So-called "honor killings" are not legal, either, but they happen in, even in countries such as England. So be careful.

[Prawnik]

The Yazidi are a smallish somewhat syncretistic sect, mostly found in Iraq. Some Satanists sometimes say that they are demon worshippers, but the Yazidi themselves would dispute this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi

I have never met an Mandean, for that matter.

[Matrona]

Yeah, and you do know that Hinduism is polytheistic, right? I mean anyway, I'm just curious. You say you believe in One God. Why? Why is that important to you? What do you base that conclusion on?

Actually, the gods and goddesses of Hinduism are not so much a pantheon of discrete entities, like the inhabitants of Mount Olympus, but are all actually manifestations/projections/expressions of Brahman.

[Philothei]

Oh yes Hinduism.... well a step further... this time you did better than Islam. At least the Hindu will not do futuwa... on you.
Kidding aside you remain in my prayers Scott.

God bless,
Philothei

[Vasileios]

Oh, my mistake. It does make sense then! Perfectly valid choice :P

Looking at all this, I can only view it with amusement. This has nothing to do with the idea Michael has about the divine (because he obviously doesn't care), and everything to do with how Michael interacts with other people and how Michael views himself. (see Proto's excellent contributions to the thread)

I only wonder how someone is gratified by looking stupid over the net. I am pretty sure deep down he does realize that the character he is selling here comes off as a stupid little boy playing silly games.

The game apparently is to make (what should be) life-changing decisions and the switching of perspective of Everything every now and then, with the mental and psychological struggle of a brick.

From "Lord have mercy" to "great and exalted is he" to "amamamam ami salami pastrami" or however the mantras go, the worrying pattern here is that there is a clear line of degeneration and corruption to the Perspective of choice and this is the only thing that gives me reason to actually believe that somewhere inside Michael's soul, something genuinely dangerous is going on. (for the record I do believe Hinduism is even lower in the scale of religions than Islam).

Lord have mercy.

[Xpycoctomos]

Actually, the gods and goddesses of Hinduism are not so much a pantheon of discrete entities, like the inhabitants of Mount Olympus, but are all actually manifestations/projections/expressions of Brahman.
Thanks. I didn't know that.

[Philothei]

Perfectly valid choice :P


Oh is this directed for me?? I do not usually like to make fun of people.... I do not have to apologize to anyone for what I write on a forum... as long as it is respectful.... if my post sounded confirming ... that is my opinion just like everyone else here. And if it is mature to stick your tongue to me ....well go right ahead... Posting with intent to make fun is not my way of thinking. Sorry if I am not going to participate in this....

Lord have mercy.

Philothei:crosseo:

[Orthosdoxa]

Philothei, he was talking Scott/MichaelArchamgelos.

[Vasileios]

Philothei, I was talking about Michael's choice to be a Hindu, while he believes in one God. Then Matrona said that in a way they do believe in one God, so I responded to that.

[Dorothea]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I don't think you're really a Hindu, any more than you were a Muslim, or a Christian, or whatever else. Can't you see that constantly changing your beliefs means that you have no beliefs to begin with? When are you going to really be serious enough with yourself to be able to commit your heart to something instead of just saying that you believe things? To be honest, I care less about you being Orthodox, or even Christian, than I do about you really believing something or really anything. Until that happens, you can't ever really discover the truth.
What he said.

[Jacob4707]

I assure you I am real. And I am also offended by your ignorance of Islam. A fatwa is an Islamic legal ruling. It is NOT a death sentence, but I see where this comes from: Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for writing "The Satanic Verses". This does not make a fatwa a death sentence any more than a king ordering the death of someone makes a royal proclamation a death sentence.

Apostates to Islam are NOT killed. At the time the particular hadith was written, the Muslim ummah (community) was one nation. To leave the religion was to leave the nation, which was seen as treason. A person who embraces Islam but then leaves it without truly understanding what it is is not to be killed, according to the scholars. The two types of apostates to be killed are those who join Islam with the intention of destroying the Muslim community from the inside, and those who leave Islam to join the enemies of Islam.

Aria, your ignorance of Islam and Malaysian customs is showing through. For a start, only one person in Malaysia know that I am a Muslim, and he has no idea where to find me. Secondly, my parents live in New Zealand, where freedom of religion is guaranteed. Thirdly, my father-in-law is a former civil servant, he knows the Prime Minister of Malaysia and the people in charge of the police. He has tremendous power and while I am under his protection, no-one can harm me.

And as I said, only one person (possibly two) know that I have left Islam. They have no idea where I am, and even if they did, they can't do much to me except make me feel bad and try to shame me back into accepting Islam.

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true. While some Muslims may do that, that doesn't mean that all of Islam is like that. While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.

1. You are incorrect. Do you read newspapers or Intenet News sites?

2. You are violating the rules for posting at TAW:The Ancient Way Forum Specific Rules

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If you were Orthodox, you could educate us about where you think our beliefs about Islam are wrong. But you are not, so you are not supposed to do this.

Mods: You will have my support if you ban MichaelArchangelos from starting threads or posting responses in TAW. The Nativity Fast starts in two days. We really don't need this kind of interaction in TAW.

[Philothei]

Philothei, I was talking about Michael's choice to be a Hindu, while he believes in one God. Then Matrona said that in a way they do believe in one God, so I responded to that.
Ah...well, it seemed that way as it was the next posting after mine.... re-read it and you will see... next time then try to be more specific... Thank you.

Philothei

[SeraphimSarov]

Mods: You will have my support if you ban MichaelArchangelos from starting threads or posting responses in TAW. The Nativity Fast starts in two days. We really don't need this kind of interaction in TAW.

Seconded. :sigh:

[OnTheWay]

The "catalogue" of gods in Hinduism goes well into the thousands. Outside of Vishnu most Hindus worship the gods that are most related to their lives. Of course the lack of structure in Hinduism allows for virtually everything, including atheism. Atheism is not common, nor is the belief that all the gods are actually one. Though Vishnu obviously has several expressions if you will. It's not an uncommon belief that the many gods walked the streets in India until the advent of electricial lighting. But again, Hinduism is about social structure as much as it is about religion, and you cannot break into the social structure. You're born into it or you're not, and there's nothing to be done about it. In much the same way you cannot move up or down in the caste system.

[Tsarina]

Hey, maybe if we pray instead of criticize, maybe he will find his way home to Orthodoxy.

Amen! :angel:

I assure you I am real. And I am also offended by your ignorance of Islam. A fatwa is an Islamic legal ruling. It is NOT a death sentence, but I see where this comes from: Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for writing "The Satanic Verses". This does not make a fatwa a death sentence any more than a king ordering the death of someone makes a royal proclamation a death sentence.

Apostates to Islam are NOT killed. At the time the particular hadith was written, the Muslim ummah (community) was one nation. To leave the religion was to leave the nation, which was seen as treason. A person who embraces Islam but then leaves it without truly understanding what it is is not to be killed, according to the scholars. The two types of apostates to be killed are those who join Islam with the intention of destroying the Muslim community from the inside, and those who leave Islam to join the enemies of Islam.

Aria, your ignorance of Islam and Malaysian customs is showing through. For a start, only one person in Malaysia know that I am a Muslim, and he has no idea where to find me. Secondly, my parents live in New Zealand, where freedom of religion is guaranteed. Thirdly, my father-in-law is a former civil servant, he knows the Prime Minister of Malaysia and the people in charge of the police. He has tremendous power and while I am under his protection, no-one can harm me.

And as I said, only one person (possibly two) know that I have left Islam. They have no idea where I am, and even if they did, they can't do much to me except make me feel bad and try to shame me back into accepting Islam.

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true. While some Muslims may do that, that doesn't mean that all of Islam is like that. While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.

If it's not true that apostates of Islam are to be killed, then why the heck do many Muslims I meet want my head cut off? Perhaps you may think that Islam doesn't kill people if they leave the religion, but most do think that way.

Oy! Scott, do tell me about Seeta, how is she doing and did she get baptized yet?

I'm praying for you both.

[MariaRegina]

(((((((Tsarina))))))

Do take care of yourself.


At my university, when a Muslim leader rudely moved his chair and sat down next to me at a supposedly Christian-Muslim gathering in 2006 last Fall, yes, I felt threatened.

The Copts didn't show. It was apparently all a show.

The Muslims took over the meeting, passed out a whole bunch of anti-Christian literature, and severely criticized anyone who claimed that the Muslim practices of prostrations and fasts arose from the Judeo-Christian influence.

During that meeting, the Muslims were heavily proselytizing. Then they complain that it is not all right if Christians have Bible Studies.

[Monica, child of God]

I don’t know which way is best: ignoring this behavior or addressing it. I guess both have their merits.


Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. --Proverbs 26:4
Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes. --Proverbs 26:5


M.

[minasoliman]

Logically, an apostate of Islam is an enemy to Islam. What you did is you forsook something, betrayed it for your fiancee. Islam teaches that there is nothing more important than Allah. You chose your fiancee over Allah, and that makes you an enemy of Islam. Logically, a fatwa against you is the Islamic thing to do because you have implicatively taught other Muslims that you can leave Allah for their beloved ones, and thus you have become a danger to other Muslims and you deserve death. Islam is a system that requires its followers' full attention and following and to be loyal to Allah and his prophet.

All the other scholars that you meet are nothing but sugar-coating liers. The Harvard of Islamic Sunni education in the world is Al-Azhar University in Egypt, and they will disagree with that assessment.

Trust me when I say this. Coming from an Arab with experience, what you did is simply betray Allah and Mohammed over someone who is less worthy, according to Islamic scholars. In fact, when a Christian leaves Christianity to go to Islam, Coptic priests are to present the argument in this manner: You choose the prophet who died over the ever-living Christ? It is not about family choices, it's about Who you're following, your personal feelings and experiences with God, not your family.

Finally, I'd like to add, and I'm not sorry nor do I regret saying this. But criticism seems to be the right thing here. I will pray for you and I love you. And for loving you I will speak frankly. I have much more respect for Osama Bin Laden who follows his religion sincerely, and who I think would even die for his religion than you who flip flops and shops for religion for the appeasement of your wife. You do not worship One God. You worship your wife and her family. You even converted to Hinduism without even knowing anything about it. That is like accepting food from a stranger. You are being inconsistent with yourself, you have lost your priorities, and on top of that have put your own family in danger with your stupid insincerity (whether or not you believe Islam teaches deaths to apostates, reality is you will receive death threats, and internet forums are not private forums mind you). The real issue right now is yourself. You have deep problems and issues in you and you don't know what you want for your life. To tell you the truth, I don't think you are even ready to get married and have a family because of your insecurity.

I hope you take my words seriously and ponder on your life just a little bit instead of following blind love.

Grace of God the Holy Trinity be with you.

[Brushstroke]

Logically, an apostate of Islam is an enemy to Islam. What you did is you forsook something, betrayed it for your fiancee. Islam teaches that there is nothing more important than Allah. You chose your fiancee over Allah, and that makes you an enemy of Islam. Logically, a fatwa against you is the Islamic thing to do because you have implicatively taught other Muslims that you can leave Allah for their beloved ones, and thus you have become a danger to other Muslims and you deserve death. Islam is a system that requires its followers' full attention and following and to be loyal to Allah and his prophet.

All the other scholars that you meet are nothing but sugar-coating liers. The Harvard of Islamic Sunni education in the world is Al-Azhar University in Egypt, and they will disagree with that assessment.

Trust me when I say this. Coming from an Arab with experience, what you did is simply betray Allah and Mohammed over someone who is less worthy, according to Islamic scholars. In fact, when a Christian leaves Christianity to go to Islam, Coptic priests are to present the argument in this manner: You choose the prophet who died over the ever-living Christ? It is not about family choices, it's about Who you're following, your personal feelings and experiences with God, not your family.

Finally, I'd like to add, and I'm not sorry nor do I regret saying this. But criticism seems to be the right thing here. I will pray for you and I love you. And for loving you I will speak frankly. I have much more respect for Osama Bin Laden who follows his religion sincerely, and who I think would even die for his religion than you who flip flops and shops for religion for the appeasement of your wife. You do not worship One God. You worship your wife and her family. You even converted to Hinduism without even knowing anything about it. That is like accepting food from a stranger. You are being inconsistent with yourself, you have lost your priorities, and on top of that have put your own family in danger with your stupid insincerity (whether or not you believe Islam teaches deaths to apostates, reality is you will receive death threats, and internet forums are not private forums mind you). The real issue right now is yourself. You have deep problems and issues in you and you don't know what you want for your life. To tell you the truth, I don't think you are even ready to get married and have a family because of your insecurity.

I hope you take my words seriously and ponder on your life just a little bit instead of following blind love.

Grace of God the Holy Trinity be with you.
Ditto to this.

Can we close the thread now?

[Tsarina]

(((((((Tsarina))))))

Do take care of yourself.


At my university, when a Muslim leader rudely moved his chair and sat down next to me at a supposedly Christian-Muslim gathering in 2006 last Fall, yes, I felt threatened.

The Copts didn't show. It was apparently all a show.

The Muslims took over the meeting, passed out a whole bunch of anti-Christian literature, and severely criticized anyone who claimed that the Muslim practices of prostrations and fasts arose from the Judeo-Christian influence.

During that meeting, the Muslims were heavily proselytizing. Then they complain that it is not all right if Christians have Bible Studies.

As a wretch that I am, the most merciful Lord protects me from harm. Thanks be to God! :angel:

What an annoying situation you were in! Muslims that I've heard of an knew always try to take over a debate or meeting and don't listen to the other side at all, they're so stuck in their demonic legalistic practices.

Personally, I would try to stay away from future situations like these. All it does is build up anger, hate and annoyance towards these people. It's truly not a healthy atmosphere to be involved in.

[JuvenalyMartinka]

Scott,

You are in my prayers.

I pray that Christ our True God will enlighten you to the Trth of His Church and the One True Faith.

[Ravenonthecross]

:crossrc:Ya know as sick as I am reading about MichaelAngelos and Paladingirl changing their faiths everyday, I think we should pray heavily for these mentally-confused folks. It seems apparent that they are in need of healing from our Blessed Lord.:crossrc:

[Prawnik]

Actually, the gods and goddesses of Hinduism are not so much a pantheon of discrete entities, like the inhabitants of Mount Olympus, but are all actually manifestations/projections/expressions of Brahman.
I thought that, while most modern Hindu scholars would agree, folk Hinduism and Hinduism in the past were more polytheistic.

Of course, Hinduism as a reiligion has undergone a lot of changes. Mr. gzt can tell you more than I, as he has studied Sanskrit.

[HyacinthBouquet]

:sorry:
I came here (to this forum) to enquire about your (orthodox) faith and stumbled across this thread. Some of the comments here are very insulting to the OP. I am surprised that your moderators have not removed them. Anyway, if this is an example of the orthodox (christian)way of life, I'll take my leave of you. Goodbye.

[Ioan cel Nou]

:sorry:
I came here (to this forum) to enquire about your (orthodox) faith and stumbled across this thread. Some of the comments here are very insulting to the OP. I am surprised that your moderators have not removed them. Anyway, if this is an example of the orthodox (christian)way of life, I'll take my leave of you. Goodbye.
To be fair, you've come at this right at the very end and this is only the latest episode in a long string of Michael's conversions which he keeps us posted about, more often than not in a way which look like thinly veiled attempts to preach at us. I won't defend anyone if they did insult him but I can certainly understand why they might do so without think - Michael's continued posts in this vein are provocative to say the least and we are all only human. You ought not to make any judgements of our faith based on individual actions and certainly not on the posts in this thread given that you do not know its history. If you do want to learn about our faith then you should ask questions, not dwell on such unfortunate occurrences as this. We'll be only too happy to answer questions where we are able.

James

[Philothei]

:sorry:
I came here (to this forum) to enquire about your (orthodox) faith and stumbled across this thread. Some of the comments here are very insulting to the OP. I am surprised that your moderators have not removed them. Anyway, if this is an example of the orthodox (christian)way of life, I'll take my leave of you. Goodbye.
I am so sorry this thread would make such a negative impression on Orthodoxy. Nevertheless, let me welcome you to this forum :)
Orthodoxy is not this Forum... but much greater... I would imagine that as an inquirer in other denominations such as Calvinists, Catholics etc.....I would not rely on "religious shoping" by visiting a "forum" in the net...I beg to differ with you. If you base your "impression" on a the second Christian Church of this world based on a forum....then you are right it would seem problematic to me too...Rather though I would visit that Church and talk to the priest, and parishioners and get a first hand experience by attending their services. It is much like meeting someone through the net... Would you commit to marry that person without giving him a chance and meeting him first? NO right? so how come you dismiss a whole church based on an online forum?

I pray that Christ the True God and The Theotokos protect you and guide you in your journey. May God be with you.

God bless,
Philothei

[HyacinthBouquet]

To be fair, you've come at this right at the very end and this is only the latest episode in a long string of Michael's conversions which he keeps us posted about, more often than not in a way which look like thinly veiled attempts to preach at us. I won't defend anyone if they did insult him but I can certainly understand why they might do so without think - Michael's continued posts in this vein are provocative to say the least and we are all only human. You ought not to make any judgements of our faith based on individual actions and certainly not on the posts in this thread given that you do not know its history. If you do want to learn about our faith then you should ask questions, not dwell on such unfortunate occurrences as this. We'll be only too happy to answer questions where we are able.

James

OK, I'll start up a thread with some queries. Thank you.

[Incidentally, I do know how you feel about his repeated conversions. Someone mentioned Palladin Girl. I find her repeated conversions puzzling and mildly irritating but I would never go so far as to insult her about it. Surely, we should show some Christian compassion?]

[Lukaris]

:sorry:
I came here (to this forum) to enquire about your (orthodox) faith and stumbled across this thread. Some of the comments here are very insulting to the OP. I am surprised that your moderators have not removed them. Anyway, if this is an example of the orthodox (christian)way of life, I'll take my leave of you. Goodbye.
Yes, there has been much time spent on trying to help this individual and to no avail (so far). Prayer is paramount but we also experience exasperation & do not endevor to insult but try to bring an individual back to their senses. This individual repeatedly returns proclaiming some new religion & lectures on an almost monthly basis. The fact that he is tolerated to do so is forbearance in itself but stern rebuke is sometimes essential too & that is what is usually given. Who knows if even we are responding to reality or some running joke of the OP? It is best to assume there is at least a distorted sincerity on his part. Lord have mercy. (Of course, this is not to expect every outside observer to know the full scope of this situation, so please do not take my post as any form of rebuke).

[Ioan cel Nou]

OK, I'll start up a thread with some queries. Thank you.

I'm very glad to hear that. I've probably been guilty of writing some rather harsh sounding responses to Michael (particularly in his 'True' Orthodox days) and I'd hate to think that my personal failing would turn someone off our faith - because when I act like that it is me failing to live up to my faith, not a failure of that faith.


[Incidentally, I do know how you feel about his repeated conversions. Someone mentioned Palladin Girl. I find her repeated conversions puzzling and mildly irritating but I would never go so far as to insult her about it. Surely, we should show some Christian compassion?]
It wouldn't be so bad if he would just convert to something and then leave us alone, it's the fact that he comes back and basically constantly rubs our noses in it. We obviously cannot agree with his conversions to Islam and now Hinduism and he knows this, so why does he keep posting here? It seems like the only purpose can be to cause friction. Believe me, though, there are many of us here who would sincerely be happy if he were to really return to the Church.

James

[Chocolatesa]

AprilAngel -
Nobody's perfect. I'm sure there are as many imperfect Orthodox who make mistakes as Anglicans or Catholics or Baptist or Buddhist or what have you. Please don't judge an entire faith on the mistakes of it's followers. I second the suggestion to speak to a priest and visit a church. I'll pray that God leads you where He wants you to be :)

[OnTheWay]

I don't see any insults. He's a religion hopper, some people have just made suggestions for smaller religions he might like to try but may not know anything about them.

As for my two cents, I'd recommend a fundamentalist LDS group. Extreme legalism with an option on multiple wives, how can you beat that?

[MariaRegina]

I don't see any insults. He's a religion hopper, some people have just made suggestions for smaller religions he might like to try but may not know anything about them.

As for my two cents, I'd recommend a fundamentalist LDS group. Extreme legalism with an option on multiple wives, how can you beat that?

And then we might have another Waco, Texas, right?

Fundamentalism is extreme rigid thinking and should be avoided. Yet, some would label our monastics as being very extreme. Yes, I can see that. Isn't there mention in the scriptures how the righteous take heaven by violence. What does that mean?

[Jacob4707]

:sorry:
I came here (to this forum) to enquire about your (orthodox) faith and stumbled across this thread. Some of the comments here are very insulting to the OP. I am surprised that your moderators have not removed them. Anyway, if this is an example of the orthodox (christian)way of life, I'll take my leave of you. Goodbye.

Don't leave. You came into one episode of a long-time problem that is repeated every time the OP changes religions and comes and tells us that he has changed and why we are wrong to be Orthodox instead of his religion-of-the-month. And when he was Orthodox, his posts tended to rebuke other Orthodox Christians for not being "strict" Orthodox like he was, and he used to cite church canons to make his points and show us why we were wrong. At times we bore with it and tried to help him; at other times it seemed that a rebuke in return was what was necessary as an act of "tough love" or in accordance with the Biblical maxim to "answer a fool according to his folly."


I can understand the feelings that probably stirred up in you when you read some of the (what seemed to you to be) less-than-kind posts here. They prompted you to write as a kind of put-down (or so it appears to me) to us:Anyway, if this is an example of the orthodox (christian)way of life, I'll take my leave of you. Goodbye.I suspect that your above reaction to some of these posts was not much different from what some in this thread felt upon reading MichaelArchangelos's post - i.e., if this is all he has to say to us, and just wants to come in every month announcing his latest religion and telling us why our beliefs are wrong, contrary to the TAW rules for non-Orthodox, then why should be tolerate this from him?

OK, I'll start up a thread with some queries. Thank you.

Great! :)

Since you're Anglican and live in England, are you anywhere near Metropolitan Kallistos Ware or Fr. Michael Harper?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XYEAJ0YXL._AA240_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/1888212128/ref=dp_image_0/102-2808494-1989764?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books) http://www.oca.org/Images/About/readings/SMALL/orthchurch.ware.jpg

[HyacinthBouquet]

OK. I've started up another thread with my questions now, so I hope that we can draw a line under my previous posts in this thread. Please.

[I apologise for my initial reaction. It was based on my own experiences in OBOB, a few years ago, when I was still a Roman Catholic. The posts I received there were not unlike the posts which Michael has received here. My only crime at that time was that I posted threads about my problems with the Church's teachings on contraception. I had real problems and was asking for help and support but I was abused and called a troll. People started accusing me of being someone else. It was horrible. This thread brought back those painful memories. So, please forgive me.]

[HyacinthBouquet]

Since you're Anglican and live in England, are you anywhere near Metropolitan Kallistos Ware or Fr. Michael Harper?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XYEAJ0YXL._AA240_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/1888212128/ref=dp_image_0/102-2808494-1989764?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books) http://www.oca.org/Images/About/readings/SMALL/orthchurch.ware.jpg

I'm not sure but I will google him.

Thank you.
:)

[Orthosdoxa]

:hug:

[HyacinthBouquet]

AprilAngel -
Nobody's perfect. I'm sure there are as many imperfect Orthodox who make mistakes as Anglicans or Catholics or Baptist or Buddhist or what have you. Please don't judge an entire faith on the mistakes of it's followers. I second the suggestion to speak to a priest and visit a church. I'll pray that God leads you where He wants you to be :)

Thank you. :)

:hug:

I'm not sure whether your hug was for me or Michael :D but thank you and God bless you.

:groupray:

[SeraphimSarov]

If my posts have offended any lurkers, please accept my apologies. I am tired of MA's trouble-causing around here, but that doesn't mean I don't pray for him.

[Bushmaster78FS]

I assure you I am real. And I am also offended by your ignorance of Islam.

Like I care...

A fatwa is an Islamic legal ruling. It is NOT a death sentence,

In exceptional cases, religious issues and political ones seem to be inextricably intertwined. The term fatwa is used by Islamic extremists to mean "permission" to do a certain act that might be otherwise illegal under Islamic law.


death but I see where this comes from: Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie for writing "The Satanic Verses". This does not make a fatwa a death sentence any more than a king ordering the death of someone makes a royal proclamation a death sentence.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989 pronounced a death sentence on Salman Rushdie, the author of The Satanic Verses.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi released a fatwa on April 14th 2004, stating that the boycott of American and Israeli products was an obligation for all who are able. The fatwa reads in part:
If people ask in the name of religion we must help them. The vehicle of this support is a complete boycott of the enemies' goods. Each riyal, dirham …etc. used to buy their goods eventually becomes bullets to be fired at the hearts of brothers and children in Palestine. For this reason, it is an obligation not to help them (the enemies of Islam) by buying their goods. To buy their goods is to support tyranny, oppression and aggression. Buying goods from them will strengthen them; our duty is to make them as weak as we can. Our obligation is to strengthen our resisting brothers in the Sacred Land as much as we can. If we cannot strengthen the brothers, we have a duty to make the enemy weak. If their weakness cannot be achieved except by boycott, we must boycott them.
American goods, exactly like the great Israeli goods, are forbidden. It is also forbidden to advertise these goods, even though in many cases they prove to be superior. America today is a second Israel. It totally supports the Zionist entity. The usurper could not do this without the support of America. “Israel’s” unjustified destruction and vandalism of everything has been using American money, American weapons, and the American veto. America has done this for decades without suffering the consequences of any punishment or protests about their oppressive and prejudiced position from the Islamic world.

Sheik Sadeq Abdallah bin Al-Majed, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Sudan, issued a fatwa that prohibits vaccination of children claiming it is a conspiracy of the Jews and Freemasons.


Indian Muslim scholars issued a fatwa of death against Taslima Nasreen, an exiled controversial Bangladeshi writer. Majidulla Khan Farhad of Hyderabad-based Majlis Bachao Tehriq issued the fatwa at the Tipu Sultan mosque in Kolkata after Juma prayers as saying Taslima has defamed Islam and announced “unlimited financial reward” to anybody who would kill her.


In 1998, Grand Ayatollah Sistani issued a fatwa prohibiting University of Virginia professor Abdulaziz Sachedina from ever again teaching Islam due in part to Sachedina's writings encouraging acceptance of religious pluralism in the Muslim world.


Osama bin Laden in 1998 purportedly sought and obtained a "fatwa" to attack the United States.


Osama bin Laden issued two fatwas—in 1996 and then again in 1998—that Muslims should kill civilians and military personnel from the United States and allied countries until they withdraw support for Israel and withdraw military forces from Islamic countries.

Apostates to Islam are NOT killed.

Yes they are, maybe not everywhere, but in the case of death is not immediately brought upon the apostate by the ummah, because of the local law, then the community makes it harder for one to live among them.

A person who embraces Islam but then leaves it without truly understanding what it is is not to be killed, according to the scholars.

Oh yea? And the killers would stop and question your understanding of islam before executing you right?



Aria, your ignorance of Islam and Malaysian customs is showing through. For a start, only one person in Malaysia know that I am a Muslim, and he has no idea where to find me. Secondly, my parents live in New Zealand, where freedom of religion is guaranteed. Thirdly, my father-in-law is a former civil servant, he knows the Prime Minister of Malaysia and the people in charge of the police. He has tremendous power and while I am under his protection, no-one can harm me.

And your chicken like qualities are showing through... It is good to see that you did something and now you are concerned about the consequences.

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true.

Don't care what makes you sick. It is the truth that Islam murdered and continues to murder those who left it. It is nothing that never happened.

While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.

I am sure you will love the ongoing issues between Hindus and Muslims

[Orthosdoxa]

Can we please close this abomination of a thread, bulldoze it to the ground, then torch the remains? PLEASE?????

[Bushmaster78FS]

Originally Posted by Aria http://www3.foru.ms/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=40671303#post40671303)
Hey, maybe if we pray instead of criticize, maybe he will find his way home to Orthodoxy.


Home? He doesn't seem to have a home yet, he is a nomad. Remembering back to the points brought by nutroll in September, what will it mean if he says he is becoming Orthodox in a month?

[Jacob4707]

Yes, bulldoze it, raze it, burn it, and bury it under 1 foot of salt.

[Hoankan]

This poor dead horse. How many times must it be beaten to death?

[Philothei]

OK. I've started up another thread with my questions now, so I hope that we can draw a line under my previous posts in this thread. Please.

[I apologise for my initial reaction. It was based on my own experiences in OBOB, a few years ago, when I was still a Roman Catholic. The posts I received there were not unlike the posts which Michael has received here. My only crime at that time was that I posted threads about my problems with the Church's teachings on contraception. I had real problems and was asking for help and support but I was abused and called a troll. People started accusing me of being someone else. It was horrible. This thread brought back those painful memories. So, please forgive me.]
April Angel, I am so sorry too I was kind of sharp at you....but like others said we have been harassed by him over and over and over again.... so ... again Welcome to TAW.... We are not meanies we promise...:)

God bless,
Philothei

[repentant]

I honestly truly believe this person, if they are real, has mental disorders of some kind.

Before when he went from EO to Muslim, it was like ok, it happens, people are deceived. But in less than a month, switching to a pagan mulit god religion based on a Father in law, when the wife was supposed to be hard core Christian, seems stupid, and only a person with some kind of mental disorder would do something like this...

[Protoevangel]

I honestly truly believe this person, if they are real, has mental disorders of some kind.

Before when he went from EO to Muslim, it was like ok, it happens, people are deceived. But in less than a month, switching to a pagan mulit god religion based on a Father in law, when the wife was supposed to be hard core Christian, seems stupid, and only a person with some kind of mental disorder would do something like this...
Or someone led by demons.

[repentant]

Or someone led by demons.

Yea that too. But once someone is so far gone, demons tend to lay off because they don't need to lead the person anymore, they spiral down themselves.

[Jacob4707]

Maybe he's just a prankster.

Or maybe he's bipolar or depressed. His posts are always so serious. Does he have a sense of humor? Does he laugh? Does he ever post "fun" things like JustinHesychast and others sometimes do? Does he ever talk about the joy of the Lord or the good things that God is doing for him or his acquaintances? Does he ever "rejoice together" with anyone here when they share good news?

Not that I can recall.

[MariaRegina]

Whatever he is, he needs prayers.

Notice that he hasn't asked for prayers lately for himself or for his wife?

He is in definite need of God's mercy and our prayers.

[vanshan]

Can we have this thread deleted?

[Jacob4707]

Can we have this thread deleted?

Apparently not.

[SaintPhotios]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/DavidShankle/abath9tc9ys.gif

"STAY OUT!!!" says Immortal.

[Jacob4707]

I get really sick of people saying that Islam is a religion that murders anyone who leaves it. This is simply not true. While some Muslims may do that, that doesn't mean that all of Islam is like that. While I'm no longer a Muslim, I don't like people hearing what are blatant lies and then spouting them off as the truth.

Any religion that does this to its followers has no qualms about killing its apostates:

Saudi punishes gang rape victim with 200 lashes

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071115145104.rykb7bub&show_article=1

Excerpt:

The 19-year-old woman -- whose six armed attackers have been sentenced to jail terms -- was initially ordered to undergo 90 lashes for "being in the car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape," the Arab News reported. But in a new verdict issued after Saudi Arabia's Higher Judicial Council ordered a retrial, the court in the eastern town of Al-Qatif more than doubled the number of lashes to 200.... Saudi Arabia enforces a strict Islamic doctrine known as Wahhabism and forbids unrelated men and women from associating with each other, bans women from driving and forces them to cover head-to-toe in public.

This is legal and official Muslim practice. :help:

[MariaRegina]

With that many lashes, I wonder if she will survive.

40 lashes is enough to kill a person.

200 is five fold.

[zhilan]

:crossrc:Ya know as sick as I am reading about MichaelAngelos and Paladingirl changing their faiths everyday, I think we should pray heavily for these mentally-confused folks. It seems apparent that they are in need of healing from our Blessed Lord.:crossrc:

I agree. I think these things are a result of mental problems that is reflected in theology.

[Xpycoctomos]

"STAY OUT!!!" says Immortal.
That's actually just a very... creepy way to get across your message. I would highly suggest getting rid of creepy-man, especially since we are dealing with something kind of serious.

I know it's not... but it looks demonic and that portrays you in that way.

Josh

[Orthosdoxa]

Xpy, I used your post to report this thread, not your post in particular. It needs to be shut down yesterday. MA must really be laughing his behind off, because he's achieved exactly what he came here to do.

[MariaRegina]

Should we set up a poll here in TAW to see if the majority want this thread to be closed?

Do we have to go to that extreme?

AM will never agree to have this thread closed.

And yes, he is probably gloating over his success in once again upsetting the membership of TAW whom he flaunts.

[Jacob4707]

.

[Philothei]

a good idea is to let this thread die by not posting here any longer.... or they can move it in the debate area...Has anyone pm to choirfiend?

God bless,
Philothei

[nikolayalexandroff]

I think that this thread should be deleted or at least closed. I agree with Aria. This guy is in an utter need in our prayers, not our insults.

[MariaRegina]

I think that this thread should be deleted or at least closed. I agree with Aria. This guy is in an utter need in our prayers, not our insults.

Thanks.

:crosseo:

[Xpycoctomos]

Well, the purpose has been met, right? Threads are closed all the time without the OPs permission . That's not necessary, is it? the stated purpose was jsut to "let us know". We know. So, it can be closed as the purpose has been met. No need to consult with the OP one bit.

Just close it and it will fall into obscurity.

Xpy

[choirfiend]

Upon request and popular consensus, thread closed.