Republican Sen. Charles Grassley has launched an investigation into six televangelist

[Michie]

Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, Joyce Meyer and Paula White are required to submit financial records to the Senate Finance Committee by December 6th.


Congress has the authority to subpoena these televangelists. Some televangelists might be required to testify before Congress concerning their alleged use of tax-exempt donations to support extravagant lifestyles. In 2005 the Trinity Foundation (http://trinityfi.org/) learned of Grassley's work (http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v17/i17/17003501.htm) investigating financial abuses of nonprofits and contacted the senator about investigating various televangelists. After working together for two years, this investigation is becoming public and could lead to criminal charges, the tax-exempt status of various televangelists being revoked, and new legislation to reform religious broadcasting.

Continued- http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/nov/06/na-without-walls-finances-face-senators-scrutiny/

[Michie]

The usual suspects I see.

I really have a problem with the prosperity gospel.

It leaves a lot of victims in its wake.

[SumTinWong]

I honestly did not know that Eddie Long was a prosperity gospel preacher . . . sigh. That sucks because I really liked him. Have not been listening for too long, so maybe that is why. The rest? Yeah I knew about them . . .

[Michie]

There are some women that will defend Joyce Meyer regardless. *shrug*

A lot of these evangelists remind me of a latenight self-help commercial when tuning in to them.

They scream one single line of Scripture out of context & then start talking about materialistic self-improvement the rest of the time.

Gah.

[RadicallyTransformedMom]

i got sucked into the prosperity "name it and claim it" gospel junk for over a year ..the pastor at our church used a tanning bed, dyed his hair, drove a corvette and wore a rolex...and some of the sermons he would preach...AY AY AY!! some of the above evangelists were guest preachers at our church..and our church had a tv program as well..i now feel foolish for believing such nonsense.

Jesus didnt drive no porche! I don't even know if he had shoes! lol

One of my recent pastors said this:
"if the message wouldnt work in a third world country..ya better question the message!"

[MrJim]

:clap: Glad to see my buddy Jimmy Swaggart isn't on the list~you wanna talk about someone that is hard on the WoF/Prosperity folks-he's it.

I'm no charismatic/pentacostal by a long reach, but I'll catch SonLife Radio and when he's in a roundtable discussion with his friends they are often talking about dangers of the prosperity gospel teachings~pretty good stuff imho.

[RobNJ]

i

Jesus didnt drive no porche! I don't even know if he had shoes! lol

One of my recent pastors said this:
"if the message wouldnt work in a third world country..ya better question the message!"

I've been known to remind people that I never saw much "bling" on Mother Theresa, either.

[Athene]

A member of my family is heavily in to prosperity gospel, she has this highly convoluted weird kind of belief system where God is entangled and limited by the things we humans do. According to her if you're in debt then God won't bless you but instead will give all your blessing to the person you owe money too. . . .and of course ye olde faythful if you're rolling in money then God is pleased with you, if you're poor then God isn't happy with you. I don't like it, I believe God does provide for us but I don't think the measure of a persons spirituality is in how wealthy they are.

[Michie]

A member of my family is heavily in to prosperity gospel, she has this highly convoluted weird kind of belief system where God is entangled and limited by the things we humans do. According to her if you're in debt then God won't bless you but instead will give all your blessing to the person you owe money too. . . .and of course ye olde faythful if you're rolling in money then God is pleased with you, if you're poor then God isn't happy with you. I don't like it, I believe God does provide for us but I don't think the measure of a persons spirituality is in how wealthy they are.
Oh geez. Phht.
Reminds me of when people were praying for healing & it did not come. Unresolved sin was the answer. In other words, your fault.

Makes my blood boil.

[JimfromOhio]

I KNEW this day would be coming. ECFA have been around since 1979. ECFA have grew very quickly after Bakker and others fell.

Word of Faith teachers are not listed in ECFA's membership list and they prefer to keep their books in private while we see how rich they get. If they are not opening their books, their are hiding their wealth.

About 30 years ago, The Evangelical Council For Financial Accountability (ECFA) was founded at a time (1979) when there had been several proposals in the U.S. Congress to enact laws that would result in the regulation of all not-for-profit entities. Christians of all denominations go together and put together ECFA to avoid Government's interference of "Church vs State". The theme of ECFA is "ECFA is committed to helping Christ-centered organizations earn the public's trust through developing and maintaining standards of accountability that convey God-honoring ethical practices."

[JimfromOhio]

All I can say is that it is most likely that BECAUSE of Word of Faith, Congress will decide to whether to set up laws to monitor ALL Christian Churches' and other religious organizations' finances.

[JimfromOhio]

Oh geez. Phht.
Reminds me of when people were praying for healing & it did not come. Unresolved sin was the answer. In other words, your fault.

Makes my blood boil.

I have had many debates with them about bad theologies regarding healing and prosperity.

[Michie]

Joyce Meyer Ministries is a target of GOP senator's probe

WASHINGTON — The top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee has launched a wide-ranging investigation into the financial dealings of six TV evangelists, including Joyce Meyer, the popular preacher who has built a $124-million-a-year empire headquartered in Fenton.

On Monday, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, asked Meyer to provide his staff with documents detailing the finances of the Joyce Meyer Ministries, including the religious group's compensation to Meyer, her husband and other family members, as well as an accounting of their housing allowances, gifts and credit card statements for the last several years.

Continued- http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/9414456BE68D8F628625738B0018DE2E?OpenDocument

[Michie]

I have had many debates with them about bad theologies regarding healing and prosperity.
You know, if this were true there would be no poor or sick Christians.

But you know what that excuse is I'm sure. You've debated with them.

[SumTinWong]

Chuck Swindoll has an outside company come in every year and do an audit then he has those reports audited. Seems to me he cannot be hiding anything.

As far as the WOF, I dunno after hearing Eddie Long for two hours, I did not get the impression he wanted my money or that I would get rich. Quite the opposite, he said some of us would die broke and broken, but that we should be seeking after Jesus not having Jesus seek after us. He could be a phony, but if he is, he is clever because I can usually spot a phony like a fart in a car.

[Michie]

Chuck Swindoll has an outside company come in every year and do an audit then he has those reports audited. Seems to me he cannot be hiding anything.

As far as the WOF, I dunno after hearing Eddie Long for two hours, I did not get the impression he wanted my money or that I would get rich. Quite the opposite, he said some of us would die broke and broken, but that we should be seeking after Jesus not having Jesus seek after us. He could be a phony, but if he is, he is clever because I can usually spot a phony like a fart in a car.
Hee!

You said fart. ^_^

[edb19]

One of my recent pastors said this:
"if the message wouldnt work in a third world country..ya better question the message!"

I might just be borrowing your pastor's quote - really like it.

I've been known to remind people that I never saw much "bling" on Mother Theresa, either.

she lived a very simple life - by choice.

Re: the OP, much as I hate to see the government insert themselves into the lives of churches - when push comes to shove, if an entity (including a church) is going to claim tax exempt status then they darn well better be able and willing to prove that exemption.

[meh]

i wish I could remember the name of the people I saw the other night on television. I wanted to remember it and look them up online.:sigh:

They were doing something along the lines of "Send us $700 and God will open the windows of prosperity for you! He will begin to shower you with blessings! But you have to send us $700 to get it started."

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I wanted to look them up to email them. I'll try to find them again. They were on at like 3am on some obscure channel, but it looked like a pretty big outfit.

Just horrific. I couldn't believe it. I didn't think people really did that; just Oral Roberts saying God would kill him unless he raised enough money. I didn't know it was like a big operation or common. I'm still a little stunned, actually.:sigh:

[HowardDean]

A member of my family is heavily in to prosperity gospel, she has this highly convoluted weird kind of belief system where God is entangled and limited by the things we humans do. According to her if you're in debt then God won't bless you but instead will give all your blessing to the person you owe money too. . . .and of course ye olde faythful if you're rolling in money then God is pleased with you, if you're poor then God isn't happy with you. I don't like it, I believe God does provide for us but I don't think the measure of a persons spirituality is in how wealthy they are.
James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brothers and sisters, Has God not chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and to be heirs of the kingdom?

[Michie]

i wish I could remember the name of the people I saw the other night on television. I wanted to remember it and look them up online.:sigh:

They were doing something along the lines of "Send us $700 and God will open the windows of prosperity for you! He will begin to shower you with blessings! But you have to send us $700 to get it started."

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I wanted to look them up to email them. I'll try to find them again. They were on at like 3am on some obscure channel, but it looked like a pretty big outfit.

Just horrific. I couldn't believe it. I didn't think people really did that; just Oral Roberts saying God would kill him unless he raised enough money. I didn't know it was like a big operation or common. I'm still a little stunned, actually.:sigh:
Sadly, it is very common meh.

[SumTinWong]

The love of money is the root of all evil. Send me $250.00 in a self addressed stamped envelope for the details ;)

[Izdaari]

Of those mentioned, I enjoy watching Ken Copeland and Joyce Meyer on TV, and have learned some pretty good stuff from them. I don't buy all the WoF doctrines, but IMO they're not entirely wrong.

[SumTinWong]

Of those mentioned, I enjoy watching Ken Copeland and Joyce Meyer on TV, and have learned some pretty good stuff from them. I don't buy all the WoF doctrines, but IMO they're not entirely wrong.

I have enjoyed Joyce Meyer at times and Ken Copeland speaking on fear a few years ago, really touched me so I know what you mean.

[Athene]

James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brothers and sisters, Has God not chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and to be heirs of the kingdom?

I am going to remember this Bible verse. Thank you!! :thumbsup:

[Joykins]

I've been known to remind people that I never saw much "bling" on Mother Theresa, either.

:amen:

[Joykins]

Not all WOF is prosperity gospel and not all prosperity gospel is WOF.

Material blessings can be from God but they often come "with strings attached" -- we are meant to use them for His work.

[Michie]

Dallas-Fort Worth ministries, Hinn and Copeland, being investigated

A U.S. senator is investigating the finances of a handful of well-known ministries, including two based in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

Continued- http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/110707dnmetfinances.1e4809a1b.html

[HowardDean]

I remember hearing about Bob larson's assets a while ago.

[Michie]

Isn't Bob Larson the creepy demon exorcism guy?

I saw a Dateline or some such segment on him but thats it.

I know he charges....

[3girls2dogs]

i got sucked into the prosperity "name it and claim it" gospel junk for over a year ..the pastor at our church used a tanning bed, dyed his hair, drove a corvette and wore a rolex...and some of the sermons he would preach...AY AY AY!! some of the above evangelists were guest preachers at our church..and our church had a tv program as well..i now feel foolish for believing such nonsense.

Jesus didnt drive no porche! I don't even know if he had shoes! lol

One of my recent pastors said this:
"if the message wouldnt work in a third world country..ya better question the message!"
I think I have been to that church more than once ;)

It's all very uncomfortable isn't it. I remember one church I attended where the weekly lecture on tithing was longer than the sermon, and while I watched some people give up so much to meet those demands, the Pastor was watching big screen tvs and going on trips and driving fancy cars. It made me sick.

[plmarquette]

James 2:5
Listen, my beloved brothers and sisters, Has God not chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and to be heirs of the kingdom?
How do you get broke, poor, and destitute out of the gospel message? Jesus had ministry partners, Mary and Martha had servants .... Nicodemus & Barnabus were wealthy ...???

explain
Malachi 3.10 open windows of heaven and bury you with blessings
2 Corinthians 9.6-9 all grace all needs all times that you might prosper...
Matthew 13.23 some 30 , some 60, some 100 fold
blessings
Luke 6.38 give and it shall be given , pressed down, shaken together ...
Deuteronomy 28.1-6 blessings upon you and your children, your hands shall prosper

[3girls2dogs]

How do you get broke, poor, and destitute out of the gospel message? Jesus had ministry partners, Mary and Martha had servants .... Nicodemus & Barnabus were wealthy ...???

explain
Malachi 3.10 open windows of heaven and bury you with blessings
2 Corinthians 9.6-9 all grace all needs all times that you might prosper...
Matthew 13.23 some 30 , some 60, some 100 fold
blessings
Luke 6.38 give and it shall be given , pressed down, shaken together ...
Deuteronomy 28.1-6 blessings upon you and your children, your hands shall prosper
I have no problem with wealth. I do, however, have a problem with making people give up 10% of their income, when they believe it is going to do the Lord's work, and then taking it and buying yourself a McMansion.

[Michie]

I have no problem with wealth. I do, however, have a problem with making people give up 10% of their income, when they believe it is going to do the Lord's work, and then taking it and buying yourself a McMansion.
And there you have it. :thumbsup:

[Tenebrae]

I remember a Wof Person saying once that Jesus had to be rich, because how else could he feed the five thousand. :doh:I'm like, "so Jesus just said to Peter, hey Peter, can you nip out to the store, and pick up fish and bread for five thousand, heres a twenty" It infuriates me when I hear things like that, because it just cheapens the miracles that Jesus did while he was on earth.

I'm glad to hear that though these people are going to be made accountable. I work for a trust founded by christians we have to undergo a yearly audit, and be prepared to show our financials and the like

I always think that we should operate in such a way that if someone wants to shine the light on our ministry, we have nothing to hide, and will welcome the chance to show how we work and how the money is spent.

My old church was really heavey on the name it and claim it stuff. Mini sermons each week on tithing and giving, as well as things like the sacrifical offering, which was lead up to by people getting up and telling how they had put their prayer need onto their offering, and how it had come to fruition. Basically, the "If you give enough money, God will give you anything you want"

[3girls2dogs]

When I was attending a non-denominational church, I was having trouble with my oldest daughter. She was self-mutliating, and I made an appointment with the Pastor to talk about it and how I could deal with it in a Godly way.

We sat down, and he asked me what was wrong, and I spent about 15 minutes giving him the briefest synopsis possible. He was quiet for a few moments, looking at his computer screen, and I sat there, crying, waiting on some wonderful, Biblical advice. He looked at me and said "our records show you haven't been tithing".

I was devastated. I was so desperate at that point for help, and that was all he was interested in. He wouldn't discuss anything else with me until we got past his lecture on the importance of giving your 10% and more if you can spare it.

Well, I was tithing. I just paid in cash in a blank envelope. For me, the idea of giving 10% and then turning around and expecting tax breaks made me uncomfortable. Plus, I don't really write a lot of checks anymore, and TBH, my hubby isn't a fan of tithing, so I was trying to be a little sly also.

I sat in that office completely lost, and it really shook me for awhile.

[Michie]

When I was attending a non-denominational church, I was having trouble with my oldest daughter. She was self-mutliating, and I made an appointment with the Pastor to talk about it and how I could deal with it in a Godly way.

We sat down, and he asked me what was wrong, and I spent about 15 minutes giving him the briefest synopsis possible. He was quiet for a few moments, looking at his computer screen, and I sat there, crying, waiting on some wonderful, Biblical advice. He looked at me and said "our records show you haven't been tithing".

I was devastated. I was so desperate at that point for help, and that was all he was interested in. He wouldn't discuss anything else with me until we got past his lecture on the importance of giving your 10% and more if you can spare it.

Well, I was tithing. I just paid in cash in a blank envelope. For me, the idea of giving 10% and then turning around and expecting tax breaks made me uncomfortable. Plus, I don't really write a lot of checks anymore, and TBH, my hubby isn't a fan of tithing, so I was trying to be a little sly also.

I sat in that office completely lost, and it really shook me for awhile.
Ugh! :eek:

That is horrible.

You know, people often forget about the widow's mite.

People forget that tithing does not always mean cash.

It also means time & talent.

I'm afraid I might had 'lost it' with that minister at that moment. :doh:

[Tenebrae]

When I was attending a non-denominational church, I was having trouble with my oldest daughter. She was self-mutliating, and I made an appointment with the Pastor to talk about it and how I could deal with it in a Godly way.

We sat down, and he asked me what was wrong, and I spent about 15 minutes giving him the briefest synopsis possible. He was quiet for a few moments, looking at his computer screen, and I sat there, crying, waiting on some wonderful, Biblical advice. He looked at me and said "our records show you haven't been tithing".

:mad::doh:Thats horrible.

:hug:I'm sorry, you were so shabbily treated

[Michie]

Checking tithing status before counseling about your daughter who self mutilates.

Mentions it/tithing beforehand.

Yeah, real nice.

Wonder if Jesus interviwed tithing status before counseling & healing?

Phht.

Really, really bad move there fella.

[Joykins]

3girls2dogs, that's appalling :eek:

[Izdaari]

Ugh! :eek:

That is horrible.

You know, people often forget about the widow's mite.

People forget that tithing does not always mean cash.

It also means time & talent.

I'm afraid I might had 'lost it' with that minister at that moment. :doh:
I probably would've hit him. :mad:

Well, if it happened when I was younger. I used to get in fights a lot (and I usually won). I have better control now.

:groupray:

[HowardDean]

How do you get broke, poor, and destitute out of the gospel message? Jesus had ministry partners, Mary and Martha had servants .... Nicodemus & Barnabus were wealthy ...???

explain
Malachi 3.10 open windows of heaven and bury you with blessings
2 Corinthians 9.6-9 all grace all needs all times that you might prosper...
Matthew 13.23 some 30 , some 60, some 100 fold
blessings
Luke 6.38 give and it shall be given , pressed down, shaken together ...
Deuteronomy 28.1-6 blessings upon you and your children, your hands shall prosperIts clear in the verse.
God has chosen the poor to be rich in faith. Does it say He will make them wealthy?
No, "the poor you will always have with you".

[edb19]

When I was attending a non-denominational church, I was having trouble with my oldest daughter. She was self-mutliating, and I made an appointment with the Pastor to talk about it and how I could deal with it in a Godly way.

We sat down, and he asked me what was wrong, and I spent about 15 minutes giving him the briefest synopsis possible. He was quiet for a few moments, looking at his computer screen, and I sat there, crying, waiting on some wonderful, Biblical advice. He looked at me and said "our records show you haven't been tithing".

I was devastated. I was so desperate at that point for help, and that was all he was interested in. He wouldn't discuss anything else with me until we got past his lecture on the importance of giving your 10% and more if you can spare it.

Well, I was tithing. I just paid in cash in a blank envelope. For me, the idea of giving 10% and then turning around and expecting tax breaks made me uncomfortable. Plus, I don't really write a lot of checks anymore, and TBH, my hubby isn't a fan of tithing, so I was trying to be a little sly also.

I sat in that office completely lost, and it really shook me for awhile.

that "pastor" (and I use the term loosely) has no business leading a church:mad:

appalling is too kind - but I'm pretty darn sure I'd be reported if I said what I really think.

edie

[meh]

When I was attending a non-denominational church, I was having trouble with my oldest daughter. She was self-mutliating, and I made an appointment with the Pastor to talk about it and how I could deal with it in a Godly way.

We sat down, and he asked me what was wrong, and I spent about 15 minutes giving him the briefest synopsis possible. He was quiet for a few moments, looking at his computer screen, and I sat there, crying, waiting on some wonderful, Biblical advice. He looked at me and said "our records show you haven't been tithing".

I was devastated. I was so desperate at that point for help, and that was all he was interested in. He wouldn't discuss anything else with me until we got past his lecture on the importance of giving your 10% and more if you can spare it.

Well, I was tithing. I just paid in cash in a blank envelope. For me, the idea of giving 10% and then turning around and expecting tax breaks made me uncomfortable. Plus, I don't really write a lot of checks anymore, and TBH, my hubby isn't a fan of tithing, so I was trying to be a little sly also.

I sat in that office completely lost, and it really shook me for awhile.
:hug:

That's so awful. I am so sorry that happened to you.

[Tenebrae]

.

[Michie]

Pastor Creflo Dollar Responds To Questions About Possible Financial Misconduct


(CBS/AP) Congress is looking into the collection boxes of some of the nation's best-known televangelists.

Their tax-exempt ministries take in millions and now Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, is asking whether these churches really are non-profits.

Georgia megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar is one of the televangelists who was asked to provide financial information.

"We don't have any problems complying to a valid request," Dollar told CBS News' The Early Show co-anchor Julie Chen.

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[Michie]

In Perspective: Why Grassley Investigates
If Congress rewrites the tax rules for churches, they have to know how churches operate, says Richard Hammar.

Interview by Rob Moll | posted 11/08/2007 10:11AM


Richard Hammar is editor of Church Treasurer Alert! and Church Law and Tax Report, both CT sister publications. An expert on church law and tax, Hammar has written more than 100 books for churches and clergy. CT associate editor Rob Moll e-mailed Hammar about the Senate Finance Committee's investigation (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/novemberweb-only/145-22.0.html) into the spending practices of six churches.

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[plmarquette]

Its clear in the verse.
God has chosen the poor to be rich in faith. Does it say He will make them wealthy?
No, "the poor you will always have with you".
Poor in spirit is meekness willing to give credit to God for the good in our life ...1 Peter 3.4

Yes the poor ... handicapped, addicted, violated, homeless.... will always be with us ... so who is to feed the hungry , clothe the naked (Matthew 25.32-42) if being broke, miserable, and destitue is holy...the children of the devil?

Why are their passages about the talents , return on investment, giving & receiving, if we, the faithful, cannot be blessed by blessing others ... Genesis 12.2-3?

Wealth, in and of itself is not evil , nor is it filthy lucre or unrighteous mammon... it is what we do with it ...build homes, hospitals, schools, teach the book, feed the hungry or do what the rappers, musicians, and movie stars do ..." I-Me-Mine"...

[plmarquette]

I have no problem with wealth. I do, however, have a problem with making people give up 10% of their income, when they believe it is going to do the Lord's work, and then taking it and buying yourself a McMansion.
I believe that to give to Jesse Duplantis, Crefflo, Kenneth is an offering ... my tithe goes to my home church ...

If people are giving their tithe to a tv or radio preacher not their home church, it is their fault, not the minister... though some seem to be more concerned about money than the message ( I have not seen that with most of the 6 people who were mentioned by the Senator).

We "assume" or "presume" that some one is guilty of wrong doing because they have been "accused".... isn't this nation ... presumed innocent until proven otherwise?

Jimmie Swaggart , Richard Tilton, and the Bakers fell...
and others will follow them... but doesn't Jesus speak in Matthew 18.15-21 about restoration ?

[Tenebrae]

Pastor Creflo Dollar Responds To Questions About Possible Financial Misconduct


[B](CBS/AP)

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I think if a ministry has nothing to hide, then they should have no problem with opening their books to the appropriate authorities.

[JimfromOhio]

People OFTEN forget HISTORY.

In the late 1970's Congress members were questioning some TV Evangelists regarding their "fundraisings" through media. Today, Congress members are doing the SAME questions as they did 30 years ago. The Evangelical Council For Financial Accountability (ECFA) was founded at a time (1979) when there had been several proposals in the U.S. Congress to enact laws that would result in the regulation of all not-for-profit entities.

30 years ago, evangelists, Christian non-profit organizations and churches have united to created an organization for financial accountability to avoid government's interverence in Church vs State. This satisfied US Congress and they left us alone. Until NOW. :doh:

By avoiding the mistakes of the past: "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana)

Before we blame the government for interfering, we are to blame ourselves for this because we had a chance to avoid this. But NO.........

Sinners still we are STILL forget history. Christian organizations who don't allow Christian Auditors to review their books is a sign of deceit. One thing I know of, many non-Christians non-profit organizations have open their books to the public. Why can't Christian Organizations? Are Christian Organizations hiding like the Pharisees did with their money? For example of accountibility, Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is one of the Charter members of the Evangelical Council For Financial Accountability which is also known as ECFA (Since 12/1/1979).

ECFA is an accreditation agency dedicated to helping Christian ministries earn the public’s trust through adherence to seven Standards of Responsible Stewardship.

If you go to ECFA's website and do a "search" on each of Word of Faith's organizations' financial information and you will find that many of them are not members of ECFA. If they are not opening their books, their are hiding their wealth. They prefer to be outside "Christianity" as their own group. They are special. They don't need accountability.

[JimfromOhio]

Link: ECFA NEWS (http://www.ecfa.org/)
Articles:
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