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Vambram
2nd November 2007, 04:19 PM
1 Corinthians 14:1-5

Prophesying, that is, explaining Scripture, is compared with speaking with tongues. This drew attention, more than the plain interpretation of Scripture; it gratified pride more, but promoted the purposes of Christian charity less; it would not equally do good to the souls of men. What cannot be understood, never can edify. No advantage can be reaped from the most excellent discourses, if delivered in language such as the hearers cannot speak or understand. Every ability or possession is valuable in proportion to its usefulness. Even fervent, spiritual affection must be governed by the exercise of the understanding, else men will disgrace the truths they profess to promote.

1 Corinthians 14:6-14
I believe that even an apostle could not edify others whom were hearing his words, unless he spoke so as to be understood by his hearers. The Greek word for “edify” is oikodomeo According to Strong’s Dictionary in his concordance, oikodomeo means: to construct or (figuratively) to confirm.. to build up, or embolden. Please keep that definition in mind for oikodomeo (edify) as you consider this chapter of Scripture while thinking about the words of this Bible study.
I believe that to speak words that have no meaning to those who hear them, is but speaking into the air. If only God can understand what is being said with a use of the gift of tongues, then how is the congregation of listeners in the assembly edified? I believe that cannot answer the end of speaking, which has no meaning; in this case, speaker and hearers are barbarians to each other because they would not understand each other. I believe that all religious services should be so performed in Christian assemblies, that all may join in, and profit by them. Language plain and easy to be understood, is the most proper for public worship, and other religious exercises. Every true follower of Christ will rather desire to do good to others, than to get a name for learning or fine speaking.

1 Corinthians 14:15-25

I believe that there can be no assent to prayers that are not understood. I believe that a truly Christian minister will seek much more to do spiritual good to men's souls, than to get the greatest applause to himself. This is proving himself the servant of Christ. Children are apt to be struck with novelty; but do not act like them. I believe that Christians should be like children, void of guile and malice; yet they should not be unskillful as to the word of righteousness, but only as to the arts of mischief. It is a proof that a people are forsaken of God, when he gives them up to the rule of those who teach them to worship in another language. They can never be benefited by such teaching. Yet thus the preachers did who delivered their instructions in an unknown tongue.
Would it not make Christianity ridiculous to a heathen, to hear the ministers pray or preach in a language which neither he nor the assembly understood? However, IF those who minister, plainly interpret Scripture, or preach the great truths and rules of the gospel, a heathen or unlearned person might become a convert to Christianity. His conscience might be touched, the secrets of his heart might be revealed to him, and so he might be brought to confess his guilt, and to own that God was present in the assembly. Scripture truth, plainly and duly taught, has a wonderful power to awaken the conscience and touch the heart.

1 Corinthians 14:26-33

I believe that religious exercises in public assemblies should have this view; Let all be done to edifying. As to the speaking in an unknown tongue, if another were present who could interpret, two miraculous gifts might be exercised at once, and thereby the church be edified, and the faith of the hearers confirmed at the same time. As to prophesying, two or three only should speak at one meeting, and this one after the other, not all at once. The man who is inspired by the Spirit of God will observe order and decency in delivering his revelations. God never teaches men to neglect their duties, or to act in any way unbecoming their age or station.

1 Corinthians 14:36-40

The Spirit of Christ can never contradict itself; and if their revelations, i.e. those whom speak with a gift of prophecy, are against those of the apostle, they do not come from the same Spirit. The way to keep peace, truth, and order in the church, is to seek that which is good for it, to bear with that which is not hurtful to its welfare, and to keep up good behavior, order, and decency.

:groupray:

IamRedeemed
8th November 2007, 12:00 AM
Hello there! Sorry I seemed to have abandoned the ship, just when we were talking about getting to preaching something up in here! :preach:

I haven't spent a whole lot of time at Foru in the last few days overall .
Unfortunately, at this moment I don't have a lot of time though to have an in depth discussion on this but would like to discuss it with you for sure. It would also be helpful when I came back if maybe you could link each section of Scripture to Bible Gateway or another online resource at least if you're not going to post the Scripture themselves, just to make it more convenient? (pretty please?)

If not, no problem, I can always copy and paste the Scripture references into the Bible Gateway passage look up, so I can read each part as I go along in your post, and respond to each portion separately, as it is kinda long if I include your portion and my answer in one post. The character limit will probably go over. But I will be back to talk with you definitely.:wave:

God bless!


1 Corinthians 14:1-5

Prophesying, that is, explaining Scripture, is compared with speaking with tongues. This drew attention, more than the plain interpretation of Scripture; it gratified pride more, but promoted the purposes of Christian charity less; it would not equally do good to the souls of men. What cannot be understood, never can edify. No advantage can be reaped from the most excellent discourses, if delivered in language such as the hearers cannot speak or understand. Every ability or possession is valuable in proportion to its usefulness. Even fervent, spiritual affection must be governed by the exercise of the understanding, else men will disgrace the truths they profess to promote.

1 Corinthians 14:6-14
I believe that even an apostle could not edify others whom were hearing his words, unless he spoke so as to be understood by his hearers. The Greek word for “edify” is oikodomeo According to Strong’s Dictionary in his concordance, oikodomeo means: to construct or (figuratively) to confirm.. to build up, or embolden. Please keep that definition in mind for oikodomeo (edify) as you consider this chapter of Scripture while thinking about the words of this Bible study.
I believe that to speak words that have no meaning to those who hear them, is but speaking into the air. If only God can understand what is being said with a use of the gift of tongues, then how is the congregation of listeners in the assembly edified? I believe that cannot answer the end of speaking, which has no meaning; in this case, speaker and hearers are barbarians to each other because they would not understand each other. I believe that all religious services should be so performed in Christian assemblies, that all may join in, and profit by them. Language plain and easy to be understood, is the most proper for public worship, and other religious exercises. Every true follower of Christ will rather desire to do good to others, than to get a name for learning or fine speaking.

1 Corinthians 14:15-25

I believe that there can be no assent to prayers that are not understood. I believe that a truly Christian minister will seek much more to do spiritual good to men's souls, than to get the greatest applause to himself. This is proving himself the servant of Christ. Children are apt to be struck with novelty; but do not act like them. I believe that Christians should be like children, void of guile and malice; yet they should not be unskillful as to the word of righteousness, but only as to the arts of mischief. It is a proof that a people are forsaken of God, when he gives them up to the rule of those who teach them to worship in another language. They can never be benefited by such teaching. Yet thus the preachers did who delivered their instructions in an unknown tongue.
Would it not make Christianity ridiculous to a heathen, to hear the ministers pray or preach in a language which neither he nor the assembly understood? However, IF those who minister, plainly interpret Scripture, or preach the great truths and rules of the gospel, a heathen or unlearned person might become a convert to Christianity. His conscience might be touched, the secrets of his heart might be revealed to him, and so he might be brought to confess his guilt, and to own that God was present in the assembly. Scripture truth, plainly and duly taught, has a wonderful power to awaken the conscience and touch the heart.

1 Corinthians 14:26-33

I believe that religious exercises in public assemblies should have this view; Let all be done to edifying. As to the speaking in an unknown tongue, if another were present who could interpret, two miraculous gifts might be exercised at once, and thereby the church be edified, and the faith of the hearers confirmed at the same time. As to prophesying, two or three only should speak at one meeting, and this one after the other, not all at once. The man who is inspired by the Spirit of God will observe order and decency in delivering his revelations. God never teaches men to neglect their duties, or to act in any way unbecoming their age or station.

1 Corinthians 14:36-40

The Spirit of Christ can never contradict itself; and if their revelations, i.e. those whom speak with a gift of prophecy, are against those of the apostle, they do not come from the same Spirit. The way to keep peace, truth, and order in the church, is to seek that which is good for it, to bear with that which is not hurtful to its welfare, and to keep up good behavior, order, and decency.

:groupray:

Vambram
8th November 2007, 02:10 AM
(1Co 14:1) Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
(1Co 14:2) For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
(1Co 14:3) But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
(1Co 14:4) He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
(1Co 14:5) I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
(1Co 14:6) But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
(1Co 14:7) Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
(1Co 14:8) For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle?
(1Co 14:9) So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
(1Co 14:10) There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
(1Co 14:11) Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me.
(1Co 14:12) Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.
(1Co 14:13) Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.
(1Co 14:16) Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say?
(1Co 14:17) For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.
(1Co 14:18) I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all;
(1Co 14:19) yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
(1Co 14:20) Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.
(1Co 14:21) In the law it is written: "WITH MEN OF OTHER TONGUES AND OTHER LIPS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE; AND YET, FOR ALL THAT, THEY WILL NOT HEAR ME," says the Lord.
(1Co 14:22) Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.
(1Co 14:23) Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
(1Co 14:24) But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all.
(1Co 14:25) And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.
(1Co 14:26) How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
(1Co 14:27) If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.
(1Co 14:28) But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
(1Co 14:29) Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
(1Co 14:30) But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent.
(1Co 14:31) For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.
(1Co 14:32) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
(1Co 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
(1Co 14:34) Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
(1Co 14:35) And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
(1Co 14:36) Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
(1Co 14:37) If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
(1Co 14:38) But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
(1Co 14:39) Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.

:wave: :) :wave:
:groupray:

IamRedeemed
8th November 2007, 04:20 PM
Thank you brother lol! It is a loaded chapter!

I'm going to go ahead and break it down like this though
and answer in parts as time allows. I have linked the
reference below to the Biblegateway for future readers. :wave:
1 Corinthians 14:1-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2014:1-5;&version=9;)

Prophesying, that is, explaining Scripture, is compared with speaking with tongues. This drew attention, more than the plain interpretation of Scripture; it gratified pride more, but promoted the purposes of Christian charity less; it would not equally do good to the souls of men. What cannot be understood, never can edify. No advantage can be reaped from the most excellent discourses, if delivered in language such as the hearers cannot speak or understand. Every ability or possession is valuable in proportion to its usefulness. Even fervent, spiritual affection must be governed by the exercise of the understanding, else men will disgrace the truths they profess to promote.
I believe what Paul was trying to express here, is that it is better if we
all prophesy if we had to choose between which gift we had whether
it be tongues or the gift of Prophecy because the gift of tongues
is a gift from God that allows the Holy Spirit of God to utter in an
unknown tongue through us and pray expressly to God, spirit to spirit,
without hindrance and is perfect prayer, however only benefits that person.

Whereas, prophesying to one other edifies others and prophesying
to the whole congregation edifies the whole body.

Even in churches today, people seem to have a need to demonstrate
(and what Paul spoke against) that they have the gift of tongues and
pray aloud in their tongues and no one understands what they are
saying, therefore it is #1 out of order and #2 of zero benefit to
anyone within earshot.

The only time this should occur is if there is an interpretation given
by the Holy Spirit either through the same person or someone else
in the body gives the interpretation as they are given it by the Holy Spirit.

Otherwise, the gift of Tongues is to be used in private. UNLESS we are
speaking about the gift of diversified tongues which is a completely
different gift, but is delivered by the same Holy Spirit, and occurs
when one speaks in a language they do not possess, but the one
or ones to whom they speak to do.

So, I think we are agreed! :thumbsup: