CC Members desiring to go form 3 to 6 strikes before fsb

[Time2BCounted]

We the members oc CC would like to raise the limit for CC members from 3-6 strikes before an fsb can be issued.


1) Nadiine
2) Time2bCounted
3) Nicki4Christ


Sign up folks and lets protect the members of CC

[Time2BCounted]

And we got IamRedeemed added too, thank you sis!

1) Nadiine
2) Time2bCounted
3) Nicki4Christ
4) IamRedeemed

[Rep Daddy]

drstevej yes

[ContentInHim]

Me, too, Time.

Off to bed - see you all tomorrow! :wave:

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

Gotcha you 2

and thanx ;)

1) Nadiine
2) Time2bCounted
3) Nicki4Christ
4) IamRedeemed
5) drstevej
6) Content In Him

[NewGuy101]

Shouldn't you poll your proposal?

[NewGuy101]

BTW wolfie I didn't know you were messianic

[Tonks]

FSBs / Infractions etc will eventually be standardized across the site. The rules each forum has regarding FSBs etc will no longer exist.

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

well i guess we could bro, let me see if i can add one to this.
If not can i ask staff to?

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

I love studying with Jewish folk. They really know the bible well, especially the messianic Jews. Ive sudied with them and rabbis from time to time... my view of the church is that we are a sect of the jews lol, not replacement theology, but literally a branch like its described in acts.

[Nadiine]

FSBs / Infractions etc will eventually be standardized across the site. The rules each forum has regarding FSBs etc will no longer exist.
I understand that tonks, but with the rate of the mass VIRAL reporting is going, FSB's are going to be starting before Lee changes it all....
just a precaution till Lee changes over

[Tonks]

ah...

[IamRedeemed]

:amen: Let us never forget (as the Word warns us not to) that it is WE who are grafted in.
They were cut off because they rejected their Messiah and we were grafted in.
And just as is written, they can be (and many have been and still currently are being)
grafted back in by acknowledging, repenting and receiving Him. Praise the Lord.

I love studying with Jewish folk. They really know the bible well, especially the messianic Jews. Ive sudied with them and rabbis from time to time... my view of the church is that we are a sect of the jews lol, not replacement theology, but literally a branch like its described in acts.

[Time2BCounted]

:amen: Let us never forget (as the Word warns us not to) that it is WE who are grafted in.
They were cut off so that we could be grafted in because they rejected their Messiah. And just as is written, they can be (and many have been and still currently are being) grafted back in by acknowledging and receiving Him. Praise the Lord.

amen sis, thank God for His grace

[Time2BCounted]

Shouldn't you poll your proposal?
i couldnt add a poll, but maybe we can just call it a concensus after its up a while lol.

We could start a poll but we know pretty much who the active users are. Its up to ya'll lol

[nyj]

Honestly folks, do you think TPTB would allow CC staff to even issue an FSB to a non-CC member at this point?

[Time2BCounted]

Honestly folks, do you think TPTB would allow CC staff to even issue an FSB to a non-CC member at this point?
I understand the sentiment brother, but lets try anyway :D

1) Nadiine
2) Time2bCounted
3) Nicki4Christ
4) IamRedeemed
5) drstevej
6) Content In Him

[Hentenza]

Guys, give it up. Right now the FSB rules in CC are here for just a little longer and then poof they will be gone. I am more interested in keeping our identity, our SoF, and our debating rules because that is what defines us and will protect us in the future.

I honestly think, by what I have read so far, that the warning/infraction system will work just fine.

[nyj]

Obviously the SoF will have to remain. Otherwise all non-denominational fora will have to be scrubbed. I mean, if there is no definition for Liberal, Moderate and Conservative ... WWMC, the Moderate Forum and CC will have to be scrapped. If that's the case, you may have to scrap the "movement" fora as well ... since they're movements and not denominations.

A lot of the problems would go away if people simply let other people voice their ideas and opinions. Reporting every jot and tittle you disagree with, or coming in and expressing your disagreement ... gets annoying. It's happened on both sides, but it's escalated to the point where CC has been torn apart. The glee with which some people report on that fact is sad, and telling. :(

[Time2BCounted]

Guys, give it up. Right now the FSB rules in CC are here for just a little longer and then poof they will be gone. I am more interested in keeping our identity, our SoF, and our debating rules because that is what defines us and will protect us in the future.

I honestly think, by what I have read so far, that the warning/infraction system will work just fine.
Brother i understand but let me share something. Nadiine for instance has 2 strikes and if not for about 3 hours i would have 2 strikes. The thing is though her strike was over a conservative opinion based on scripture and certainly wasnt a flame imo. But it was 'liberally' interpreted imo, when the policy is supposed to assume the best intent. So she is one strike away from an fsb, and with the reporting thats gone on lately that doesnt offer much hope when we feel so tightly constrained. I know everyone is in a tough position, but imho its not good that shes so close to a ban over such minor issues. Just my opinion brother, respectfully

[Rep Daddy]

I honestly think, by what I have read so far, that the warning/infraction system will work just fine.

Not with our "trainee" mods getting preempted by ET Admins.

[Hentenza]

Not with our "trainee" mods getting preempted by ET Admins.

LOL!!! You got a point there.:wave:

[IamRedeemed]

:preach:


Brother i understand but let me share something. Nadiine for instance has 2 strikes and if not for about 3 hours i would have 2 strikes. The thing is though her strike was over a conservative opinion based on scripture and certainly wasnt a flame imo. But it was 'liberally' interpreted imo, when the policy is supposed to assume the best intent. So she is one strike away from an fsb, and with the reporting thats gone on lately that doesnt offer much hope when we feel so tightly constrained. I know everyone is in a tough position, but imho its not good that shes so close to a ban over such minor issues. Just my opinion brother, respectfully

Not with our "trainee" mods getting preempted by ET Admins.

LOL!!! You got a point there.:wave:

[nyj]

To add to post #19: The spite reporting has to stop. To paraphrase Latreia ... this "lets throw a bunch of crud on the wall, because something has to stick at some point" offensive against posters in CC has to stop.

Just because someone doesn't like an opinion stated here doesn't mean they should be allowed to have that opinion examined as a forum violation.

[Hentenza]

Brother i understand but let me share something. Nadiine for instance has 2 strikes and if not for about 3 hours i would have 2 strikes. The thing is though her strike was over a conservative opinion based on scripture and certainly wasnt a flame imo. But it was 'liberally' interpreted imo, when the policy is supposed to assume the best intent. So she is one strike away from an fsb, and with the reporting thats gone on lately that doesnt offer much hope when we feel so tightly constrained. I know everyone is in a tough position, but imho its not good that shes so close to a ban over such minor issues. Just my opinion brother, respectfully

I hear you but think about it. Who is going to action the FSB? And, even if a FSB was actioned it would only be for a day. You would have to get another 3 strikes to get to a week. Is just not worth the effort.

[D'Ann]

add my name. Thanks

Debbie aka D'Ann

[Time2BCounted]

To add to post #19: The spite reporting has to stop. To paraphrase Latreia ... this "lets throw a bunch of crud on the wall, because something has to stick at some point" offensive against posters in CC has to stop.

Just because someone doesn't like an opinion stated here doesn't mean they should be allowed to have that opinion examined as a forum violation.
Amen i agree and this is exactly what happened with Nadiine imo. This is something we can reverse or at least remedy i believe

[nyj]

Amen i agree and this is exactly what happened with Nadiine imo.
And Auntie. And Steve.

[Latreia]

To add to post #19: The spite reporting has to stop. To paraphrase Latreia ... this "lets throw a bunch of crud on the wall, because something has to stick at some point" offensive against posters in CC has to stop.

Just because someone doesn't like an opinion stated here doesn't mean they should be allowed to have that opinion examined as a forum violation.

:blush:

Please try not to link my name with the word "crud" as it is offensive.

:swoon:

Please do add my name to the List here.

:sorry:

[nyj]

Ok ... a "bunch of stuff". :)

[Latreia]

I hear you but think about it. Who is going to action the FSB? And, even if a FSB was actioned it would only be for a day. You would have to get another 3 strikes to get to a week. Is just not worth the effort.

Sounds reasonable. But it is really fine to see conservatives stand up to protect their own when the liberals are like a wasps' nest when one of theirs is offended.

Conservatives have been rebuked and harassed until they were almost scared to say anything, lest the report orgy began.

We have met the enemy, it is NOT US>

:wave:

[Time2BCounted]

I hear you but think about it. Who is going to action the FSB? And, even if a FSB was actioned it would only be for a day. You would have to get another 3 strikes to get to a week. Is just not worth the effort.
Henry i do understand what youre saying and i truly dont mean to sound argumentative on the issue. Let me share one thing i believe moves me in this.

It is that it seems to me CC loses its integrity if we ban our own members for stating a concervative opinion based on scripture. My friend, i just dont think we should allow this to be a precedent establishing a thumb from the outside empowered over us. Anyone with a grudge will get someone banned from here if they just make enough reports as it is imho bro. I just see it as a very dangerous course to settle in. This leads me to the question then, how do we remedy it?

Maybe start everyone on a clean slatte and say opinions arent allowed, or settle things in a way that allows it. There is just so much about the way that its used now that i believe several folks find very constraining. Its not that anyone wants to run wild, but some feel we cant express our thoughts and personal opinions in our own forum. Not blaming anyone brother at all, im only saying this is how it has felt for some of us, and i believe its the reality of the situation. I think we can be pro CC and not be ashamed of it as long as we are fair

[Hentenza]

Sounds reasonable. But it is really fine to see conservatives stand up to protect their own when the liberals are like a wasps' nest when one of theirs is offended.

Conservatives have been rebuked and harassed until they were almost scared to say anything, lest the report orgy began.

We have met the enemy, it is NOT US>

:wave:

I agree with you completely.:thumbsup::hug::wave:

[Hentenza]

Henry i do understand what youre saying and i truly dont mean to sound argumentative on the issue. Let me share one thing i believe moves me in this.

It is that it seems to me CC loses its integrity if we ban our own members for stating a concervative opinion based on scripture. My friend, i just dont think we should allow this to be a precedent establishing a thumb from the outside empowered over us. Anyone with a grudge will get someone banned from here if they just make enough reports as it is imho bro. I just see it as a very dangerous course to settle in. This leads me to the question then, how do we remedy it?

Maybe start everyone on a clean slatte and say opinions arent allowed, or settle things in a way that allows it. There is just so much about the way that its used now that i believe several folks find very constraining. Its not that anyone wants to run wild, but some feel we cant express our thoughts and personal opinions in our own forum. Not blaming anyone brother at all, im only saying this is how it has felt for some of us, and i believe its the reality of the situation. I think we can be pro CC and not be ashamed of it as long as we are fair

I hear you and I understand. What I was trying to tell you is that I don't think that you will find the CC moderation team too eager to hand out FSB's right now. We are in a wait and see pattern. When the warning/infraction system is put in place all strikes will go away anyway.

[Latreia]

Whoa, did I really just get hugged?

Wow, I must be dreaming.....:blush:

Somebody likes me, they really does likes me.


:swoon:

[Time2BCounted]

Gotta love the love in this thread lol.

It truly is refreshing to see and feel. Henry brother, would folks not take offence if i were to appeal a decision on behalf of another poster? I dont mean to sound like i am rocking the boat, I'm not criticizing the mods, but i would like to do something i feel is good and right, and i believe i can present something that wasnt presented before in defence of the poster. At the same time i wouldnt want anyone to take offence simply because i want to appeal. I do believe though that i can convince the mods that the decision should go for the poster.

Thank you for at least considering or offering advice on how to do this.

[Followers4christ]

100% agree Time2BCounted.Put my name down brother.God Bless

[Nadiine]

Whoa, did I really just get hugged?

Wow, I must be dreaming.....:blush:

Somebody likes me, they really does likes me.


:swoon:
I LOVE you Latreia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sisterly hugs
:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Father Rick]

Ok guys...

With all this talk about how "the liberals" are swarming in and filing reports, etc. I think it should be pointed out that in the past week there have been 40 reports filed in CCC... of which only 6 were filed by non-members.

It's not the "outsiders". It's the members filing reports on each other.

[Nadiine]

spite is spite - whether inside or outside this forum.
It's gotten obnoxious & I don't care who's doing it, it's wrong when the spirit behind it is to "get people" and it makes them equally vendictive as the ones they try to point fingers at.
& if it is mainly members here, perhaps the are "outsiders" technically? :confused: :scratch: I dunno.

But I wasn't claiming its all liberals/outsiders.

[Time2BCounted]

1) Nadiine
2) Time2bCounted
3) Nicki4Christ
4) IamRedeemed
5) drstevej
6) Content In Him
7) Latreia
8) Followers4Christ


nyj and new guy were you wanting on the list brothers? Frick i know you do right?

[BAFRIEND]

Don't add me. Three to four I would be for. I think it would be better to expire the strikes sooner, ie a strike dies after twelve weeks, rather than double the number of times a person can violate the rule.

[Father Rick]

spite is spite - whether inside or outside this forum.
It's gotten obnoxious & I don't care who's doing it, it's wrong when the spirit behind it is to "get people" and it makes them equally vendictive as the ones they try to point fingers at.
& if it is mainly members here, perhaps the are "outsiders" technically? :confused: :scratch: I dunno.

But I wasn't claiming its all liberals/outsiders.
Well... while I can't disclose specifics, it was the "old-timers" here (as opposed to new members) who did the reporting. Of the 34 reports filed by members in the past week, maybe 1 or 2 of them were by new members (I'd have to go back and count again) It really is CC'ers turning on each other-- but since non-staff can't see who is filing the reports, everyone is assuming (and accusing) it is an attack from "outside".



(Personally, I don't think I've filed a single report here ever)

[Time2BCounted]

Well... while I can't disclose specifics, it was the "old-timers" here (as opposed to new members) who did the reporting. Of the 34 reports filed by members in the past week, maybe 1 or 2 of them were by new members (I'd have to go back and count again) It really is CC'ers turning on each other-- but since non-staff can't see who is filing the reports, everyone is assuming (and accusing) it is an attack from "outside".



(Personally, I don't think I've filed a single report here ever)



Just curious rick

You were reported for making the claim that i said things i never said... of course we know this is against the rules of CC AND the board... would you mind telling us the outcome of the decision? You WERE held to the rules and found in violation, right??

[Father Rick]

Frick i know you do right?No... I don't.

Two reasons:
1) The new rules that are coming into place will supercede all of the current "3 strike" rules anyway. Why make a change when it will only last a few days...

2) As I noted in my posts to Nadiine, CCC is currently imploding. While there are all kinds of posts about the "attack from the outside", the reports filed, etc. are actually coming from the inside. Giving the members more freedom to turn on each other would certainly be the doom of CCC in a very short period of time.

Quite frankly, I would say the exact opposite needs to happen. Rather than relaxing the rules, I would say they need to be changed so that someone can get more than one strike per day-- since some get on a roll, and rack up their strike for the day, but keep right on going. If all violations were actually ruled as a strike, the worst offenders would be stopped pretty quickly and those who are behaving themselves could then build something strong here.

[ContentInHim]

Fr Rick - does this include the period of Lisa's meltdown? I know that I reported a few posts. Are the reports from members who have left now that Moderate Christians has opened up? Just inquiring.

This is why reports should be totally open - not anonymous.

[Father Rick]

I have 0 violations in CCC....

[Time2BCounted]

Amen Content

And Frick, dude theres a question over your head there you might have missed... how did that report come out where you were charged with attributing to me things i never said?

[Latreia]

Well... while I can't disclose specifics, it was the "old-timers" here (as opposed to new members) who did the reporting. Of the 34 reports filed by members in the past week, maybe 1 or 2 of them were by new members (I'd have to go back and count again) It really is CC'ers turning on each other-- but since non-staff can't see who is filing the reports, everyone is assuming (and accusing) it is an attack from "outside".



(Personally, I don't think I've filed a single report here ever)

You seem really pleased.

You ignore all pleas to stop hurting those whom you dislike and then point out the results of their struggling to uphold their faith under attack.

I think that there should be a rule that a specific number of "old-timers" members
should be able to politely ask the poster whom they think are not posting in the spirit of good will to leave and that request should be given respect.

The Staff refuses to keep that in mind and ignores post after post that relays that need for courteous departure when asked to STOP.

As I have tried to explain before, after we know that Staff does not care and publicly disparages the conservative members of this forum, it is time to stop looking to them to solve our problems.

It is time to stop being hooked into playing their games, which due to the power, authority, and preferential treatment of some, cannot be won, moreover, we play them to our detriment.

Please, please, please, practice the art of ignoring, shunning, and refusal to respond to those whom we know are not for us.

Believe me, I fully understand just how difficult it is not to feel compelled to stand for the truth. But what we have is precious to us, tho despised by others.

The early Christians were wise enough not to show themselves to be persecuted and executed for their faith. Remember, those who were tortured and sent to the coliseum to die were CAUGHT.

How conservative Christians feel, yes, really feel, not the false strereotypes, are well known enough not to rise to these online challenges.

If we fellowship peaceably, lovingly with EACH OTHER, is that not proof of the best kind?

:groupray:

[ContentInHim]

Latreia, sister - what a wonderful heartfelt post. :hug:

[Father Rick]

Amen Content

And Frick, dude theres a question over your head there you might have missed... how did that report come out where you were charged with attributing to me things i never said?
In that report, I was relaying things from Cheri in basically the same way they were presented to me, after she contacted me and told me she wanted people to know (there were actually a couple of contacts back and forth before I posted it as a message from her).

Cheri was the one who believed that you told people she was dead. She was the one who wanted people to know that she was alive.

Was it a misunderstanding? Maybe... but I was just relaying the message from her.

Why did staff make the decision they did? You'll have to ask them. My guess would be that I was simply relaying a message (as she publicly confirmed).

[Nadiine]

Don't add me. Three to four I would be for. I think it would be better to expire the strikes sooner, ie a strike dies after twelve weeks, rather than double the number of times a person can violate the rule.
I'm fine with that too - bump it to 4 strikes & make a 3 month strike expire.... that's fine with me too.
As it is, the strike STAYS forever. That to me isn't right at all.

[Tonks]

Why is everything so punitive in this forum?

[Nadiine]

You seem really pleased.

You ignore all pleas to stop hurting those whom you dislike and then point out the results of their struggling to uphold their faith under attack.

I think that there should be a rule that a specific number of "old-timers" members
should be able to politely ask the poster whom they think are not posting in the spirit of good will to leave and that request should be given respect.

The Staff refuses to keep that in mind and ignores post after post that relays that need for courteous departure when asked to STOP.

As I have tried to explain before, after we know that Staff does not care and publicly disparages the conservative members of this forum, it is time to stop looking to them to solve our problems.

It is time to stop being hooked into playing their games, which due to the power, authority, and preferential treatment of some, cannot be won, moreover, we play them to our detriment.

Please, please, please, practice the art of ignoring, shunning, and refusal to respond to those whom we know are not for us.

Believe me, I fully understand just how difficult it is not to feel compelled to stand for the truth. But what we have is precious to us, tho despised by others.

The early Christians were wise enough not to show themselves to be persecuted and executed for their faith. Remember, those who were tortured and sent to the coliseum to die were CAUGHT.

How conservative Christians feel, yes, really feel, not the false strereotypes, are well known enough not to rise to these online challenges.

If we fellowship peaceably, lovingly with EACH OTHER, is that not proof of the best kind?

:groupray:
REPPAGE AND AMEN

[Latreia]

No... I don't.

Two reasons:
1) The new rules that are coming into place will supercede all of the current "3 strike" rules anyway. Why make a change when it will only last a few days...

2) As I noted in my posts to Nadiine, CCC is currently imploding. While there are all kinds of posts about the "attack from the outside", the reports filed, etc. are actually coming from the inside. Giving the members more freedom to turn on each other would certainly be the doom of CCC in a very short period of time.

Quite frankly, I would say the exact opposite needs to happen. Rather than relaxing the rules, I would say they need to be changed so that someone can get more than one strike per day-- since some get on a roll, and rack up their strike for the day, but keep right on going. If all violations were actually ruled as a strike, the worst offenders would be stopped pretty quickly and those who are behaving themselves could then build something strong here.

Just wondering how you would comment if you knew that every report would be decided against you, regardless of what your intentions were.

Only those in power claim that more power is better and usually based on the fact that it includes the power to greater punishment.

Father Rick.

:sigh:

[ContentInHim]

Why is everything so punitive in this forum?
I believe the strikes were written when we were suffering the Rochir invasion and reporting war. It was believed that she wouldn't stop until she was banned. So the strikes were invented. Little did we know that it would be turned against our own through Admins overturning mods decisions. :(

[Nadiine]

Just wondering how you would comment if you knew that every report would be decided against you, regardless of what your intentions were.

Only those in power claim that more power is better and usually based on the fact that it includes the power to greater punishment.

Father Rick.

:sigh:
wanting the bigger stick when you wield it. Not all mods are that way tho --
& thank God =)

[Father Rick]

You ignore all pleas to stop hurting those whom you dislike and then point out the results of their struggling to uphold their faith under attack.
But this is the crux of the matter, Latreia...

As I was pointing out, the supposed "attack" from the outside is far more myth than reality here.

The reality is that the reports that are being made are NOT being made by those on the "outside" who are attacking. Rather, it's CCC'ers turning on each other.

Some keep whipping everyone into a frenzy about "the liberals" that are "attacking"... but there's simply no evidence that is truly the case. Rather "liberals" are getting blamed for what CCC'ers are actually doing-- and it's distracting from the real issue... which would be CCC'ers loving each other, being kind to each other, being patient with each other... and to others outside CCC.

I'm not attacking anyone here. In fact, if I wanted CCC to fail then I wouldn't say anything and just let the infighting continue--- as the members are currently doing a good job of destroying each other--- instead of showing what can be done to fix the situation.

[Miss Shelby]

I can't believe this stuff with Time's wife is still being discussed. Have you people no shame?

[Nadiine]

I believe the strikes were written when we were suffering the Rochir invasion and reporting war. It was believed that she wouldn't stop until she was banned. So the strikes were invented. Little did we know that it would be turned against our own through Admins overturning mods decisions. :(
that's something to always watch for when making rules; it's a double edged sword.
The bad part was not allowing strikes to erase - they stay permantently & with rules like that, unless you completely fellowship w/ no discussion at all, eventually you'de probly get an FSB if you stayed long enough.

The people that never get reported are people that don't do heavy (or any) debate or opposition to false teachers/ false teachings. or get involved in forum disputes & policy change

[Nadiine]

I can't believe this stuff with Time's wife is still being discussed. Have you people no shame?
? I haven't even seen a post like that..... maybe i missed it:scratch:

[Time2BCounted]

Not only is there no shame, there is no apology, there is no resignation away from our forum now that work was done.

Frick, youre not answering either... what was the final decision when you were reported for telling people i lied?

then answer this, WHY were you let go for a nv and another poster is slammed for stating her conservative opinion based on scripture?

Who is behind this kind of decision?

[Father Rick]

Just wondering how you would comment if you knew that every report would be decided against you, regardless of what your intentions were.

Only those in power claim that more power is better and usually based on the fact that it includes the power to greater punishment.

Father Rick.

:sigh:
I've been on both sides of the issue.

I've been on and off of staff for about 2 of the past 3 years in just about every area of this forum (Congregations, Ministry, Recovery, Pastoral/Chaplaincy).

I've had to enforce the rules.... I've had them enforced against me (even unfairly against me-- just check the appeals).

I still say, very strongly, that I believe the rules should be tightened here in CCC. The sad reality is that if that happens, one or two would push the limits and find themselves banned. That's not something I rejoice in... but it just always happens that way. But, most would quickly start thinking before hitting the submit button and find nicer ways of saying what they want to say. And within 2 weeks or so, CCC would be a very pleasant (and safe) place for Conservatives to hang out.

[Father Rick]

I can't believe this stuff with Time's wife is still being discussed. Have you people no shame?

? I haven't even seen a post like that..... maybe i missed it:scratch:
Time is the one who brought it up... and pushed the issue...

It's his wife. If he wants to discuss it, that's his choice .

[Time2BCounted]

I have 0 violations in CCC....


Frick, how is it that someone can openly call someone a liar, then they are proven wrong, and yet the decision not go against them? How did that happen when CC members can hardly voice an opinion, let alone make a real flame and defame people... How did you avoid violation?

[ContentInHim]

Actually, CCC was very peaceful when MCW was banned. Truly! Then Time began his attempt to have Christian defined and the right went mad and Time derailed and was unfairly hounded and banned. :cry: Lo and behold BP joined and tried to get CCC to become more ecumenical (that's not why we were founded, though it was the result if you look at the different churches and denoms in here). Oh, I forgot the one fellow who joined only to tell us that you had to be Catholic to go to heaven - thankfully he's gone.

WWMC doesn't have problems because they adhere to no doctrine except do what thou wilt - everyone has their own path and who am I to judge that you have run into the ditch. (never mind that scripture says we are to help our brothers when they go astray).

I no longer believe that it's the liberals against us, though they love lurking and making our lives miserable. Rather it's the enemy. And that's what we should guard against.

[Latreia]

But this is the crux of the matter, Latreia...

As I was pointing out, the supposed "attack" from the outside is far more myth than reality here.

The reality is that the reports that are being made are NOT being made by those on the "outside" who are attacking. Rather, it's CCC'ers turning on each other.

Some keep whipping everyone into a frenzy about "the liberals" that are "attacking"... but there's simply no evidence that is truly the case. Rather "liberals" are getting blamed for what CCC'ers are actually doing-- and it's distracting from the real issue... which would be CCC'ers loving each other, being kind to each other, being patient with each other... and to others outside CCC.

I'm not attacking anyone here. In fact, if I wanted CCC to fail then I wouldn't say anything and just let the infighting continue--- as the members are currently doing a good job of destroying each other--- instead of showing what can be done to fix the situation.

Excuse me, please. We are well aware of the art of the Blame Game when it is used against us. Perhaps it's because the very roots of Christianity stems from the Jewish tribes, who have never, throughout history, been able to escape the kind of rabid persecution from false blame that entire nations place upon them.

Only recently, we had a few really fine days and the reports even ceased.

How about an acid test? Who inspires reports from the "old timers" most?

Check the reports for that information and then see if you can persuade a few of those folks to refrain from posting here for a few weeks and I think you will see that CCC is perfectly capable of avoiding the Report button.

:holy:

[Tonks]

I believe the strikes were written when we were suffering the Rochir invasion and reporting war. It was believed that she wouldn't stop until she was banned. So the strikes were invented. Little did we know that it would be turned against our own through Admins overturning mods decisions. :(

Oh, I'm just talking generally...votes of no confidence, attempts to make it easier to FSB etc etc. It sort of seems like a circular firing squad at times.

[Time2BCounted]

Excuse me, please. We are well aware of the art of the Blame Game when it is used against us. Perhaps it's because the very roots of Christianity stems from the Jewish tribes, who have never, throughout history, been able to escape the kind of rabid persecution from false blame that entire nations place upon them.

Only recently, we had a few really fine days and the reports even ceased.

How about an acid test? Who inspires reports from the "old timers" most?

Check the reports for that information and then see if you can persuade a few of those folks to refrain from posting here for a few weeks and I think you will see that CCC is perfectly capable of avoiding the Report button.

:holy:
I think it would be interesting to do a statistic from the past 30 days or so to see how many reports were reported by or concerning people associated with that forum which cannot be mentioned... as staff or befrienders... that stat might reveal a lot imo

[Nadiine]

Oh, I'm just talking generally...votes of no confidence, attempts to make it easier to FSB etc etc. It sort of seems like a circular firing squad at times.
Even in the forum rules the warnings & infractions had an expiration date... it's just not good planning (or sheer oversight) not to have strikes expire after a given period of time.
That does need to be worked on asap.

[ContentInHim]

Oh, I'm just talking generally...votes of no confidence, attempts to make it easier to FSB etc etc. It sort of seems like a circular firing squad at times.
:D

[Father Rick]

Not only is there no shame,
No, there is no shame, as I was acting in good faith.

I didn't even know who Cheri was until she contacted me. I knew nothing about the issues of her "death" or lack thereof until I was contacted by her, and told by her how hurt she was that people thought she was dead(actually her words were that you had told people she was dead) and asked me to notify certain specific people that she was not dead. (She has publicly verified all this).

I contacted other staff to see if anyone had any idea who this person was who had contacted me... and it was verified that she was indeed who she said she was.

After she continued to express her hurt, and to express that she wanted people to know she was not dead as you "had told people" (again, her words), I told her I would like to post and let people know she was alive-- which would end the issue/her hurt but would only do so with her express permission. She told me to do "whatever it takes" to end the issue. (Again, she has publicly confirmed all this).

I was acting in good faith. Was there a misunderstanding as to whether you actually told people she was dead vs. letting people believe she was dead? Apparently so. Either way, there were some on the forum who a) believed she was dead and b) posted about grieving over her loss.

there is no apology,
As to an apology...

Yes, I do apologize that you were hurt in the process. That was not my intent. My intent was simply to relay the message from Cheri.
there is no resignation away from our forum now that work was done.
FIrst, I don't know what "work" you are referring to. As to resigning from the forum-- I made it clear that the reason I was staying was because I ran into old friends here.


Frick, youre not answering either... what was the final decision when you were reported for telling people i lied?
I did answer... I stated that I had 0 violations in CCC.

Therefore, the report was ruled no violation.


then answer this, WHY were you let go for a nv and another poster is slammed for stating her conservative opinion based on scripture?
Why was the decisions made the way they were? You'll have to review the specific reports to determine why each report was decided the way it was.

Each report is handled on its own merits, not by comparing one to the other.


Who is behind this kind of decision?The CCC mods were behind the decision. I haven't pulled the reports back up, so I'm not certain exactly which ones ruled on each specific report.

[Time2BCounted]

Frick, what kind of decision goes unannounced in reports?

How many threads were you concerned in where a decision was never announced? Is this proper protocall to not announce a decision and close it undecided publicly?

[Epiphanygirl]

To add to post #19: The spite reporting has to stop. To paraphrase Latreia ... this "lets throw a bunch of crud on the wall, because something has to stick at some point" offensive against posters in CC has to stop.

Just because someone doesn't like an opinion stated here doesn't mean they should be allowed to have that opinion examined as a forum violation.
:thumbsup:

[Nadiine]

spite reporting: whoever's doing it should wonder if they themselves aren't part of the problem that they're trying to blame others for... OR CAUSE OTHER uneccesary problems for the forum itself.

I think we should focus on FIXING this forum at this point -- the CURRENT problems seem to be spite reports, so lets work on the rules & maybe try to get back to normal in here - is that agreeable with anybody?

I propose: (at least until Lee makes the changes)

* adding a strike expiration of 3 months
* changing 4-6 strikes to the first FSB
* adding a Sign OUT sticky

[Nicki4Christ]

.

The people that never get reported are people that don't do heavy (or any) debate or opposition to false teachers/ false teachings. or get involved in forum disputes & policy change

Because personally I am scared to, really sad that I have conservative beliefs but am scared to voice them . I feel I am not allowed as a conservative to share my views on anything that goes against a liberal view. It is really sad, I joined CC knowing I would be able to express myself but as some of you know I very rarely post, Uhmm what does that say... . Laws are being passed right now that concern conservative christians we should be able to discuss these issues whithout fear.

[Father Rick]

Frick, what kind of decision goes unannounced in reports?

How many threads were you concerned in where a decision was never announced? Is this proper protocall to not announce a decision and close it undecided publicly?
To my knowledge all reports that have been closed had a ruling announced by the staff before its closure, regardless of whom the report was made on (be that me or anyone else)-- with the exception of those times when a reported poster has already been banned, and staff just closes out the report, documenting that since a ban is already in effect the outcome of the report won't matter.

[Father Rick]

the CURRENT problems seem to be spite reports, so lets work on the rules & maybe try to get back to normal in here Exactly!
If everyone slows down their trigger fingers for the report buttons for a week or two, the overall anxiety should lower quite a bit...

[Latreia]

No, there is no shame, as I was acting in good faith.

I didn't even know who Cheri was until she contacted me. I knew nothing about the issues of her "death" or lack thereof until I was contacted by her, and told by her how hurt she was that people thought she was dead(actually her words were that you had told people she was dead) and asked me to notify certain specific people that she was not dead. (She has publicly verified all this).

I contacted other staff to see if anyone had any idea who this person was who had contacted me... and it was verified that she was indeed who she said she was.

After she continued to express her hurt, and to express that she wanted people to know she was not dead as you "had told people" (again, her words), I told her I would like to post and let people know she was alive-- which would end the issue/her hurt but would only do so with her express permission. She told me to do "whatever it takes" to end the issue. (Again, she has publicly confirmed all this).

I was acting in good faith. Was there a misunderstanding as to whether you actually told people she was dead vs. letting people believe she was dead? Apparently so. Either way, there were some on the forum who a) believed she was dead and b) posted about grieving over her loss.


As to an apology...

Yes, I do apologize that you were hurt in the process. That was not my intent. My intent was simply to relay the message from Cheri.

FIrst, I don't know what "work" you are referring to. As to resigning from the forum-- I made it clear that the reason I was staying was because I ran into old friends here.

I did answer... I stated that I had 0 violations in CCC.

Therefore, the report was ruled no violation.

Why was the decisions made the way they were? You'll have to review the specific reports to determine why each report was decided the way it was.

Each report is handled on its own merits, not by comparing one to the other.
The CCC mods were behind the decision. I haven't pulled the reports back up, so I'm not certain exactly which ones ruled on each specific report.


Anybody here familiar with the play and the movie "The Man Who Stayed For Dinner" ??

Memo to self: Keep Father Rick out of my home. Check.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033874/plotsummary


:idea:

[Latreia]

Exactly!
If everyone slows down their trigger fingers for the report buttons for a week or two, the overall anxiety should lower quite a bit...

How about just......oh, never mind....


:sigh:

[Father Rick]

Because personally I am scared to, really sad that I have conservative beliefs but am scared to voice them . I feel I am not allowed as a conservative to share my views on anything that goes against a liberal view. It is really sad, I joined CC knowing I would be able to express myself but as some of you know I very rarely post, Uhmm what does that say... . Laws are being passed right now that concern conservative christians we should be able to discuss these issues whithout fear.
Nicki...

The "trick" (for lack of better word) is to address the issue, not the person. That is NEVER flaming.

Examples:
Abortion is sin! (not a flame)
You're a murderer! (flame)

Gossip is wrong (not a flame)
You need to stop being a gossip (flame)

I think liberalism is destructive to Christian values (not a flame)
You liberals are horrible (flame)



As long as you are speaking of issues, you're always "safe" as far as the rules are concerned.

1.8 Flaming of members or groups of members is not allowed. Flaming is defined as the posting of inflammatory or unsubstantiated accusations or the use of rude, hurtful, insulting, or belittling language. Criticism should be directed at posts, not people.

[Time2BCounted]

Because personally I am scared to, really sad that I have conservative beliefs but am scared to voice them . I feel I am not allowed as a conservative to share my views on anything that goes against a liberal view. It is really sad, I joined CC knowing I would be able to express myself but as some of you know I very rarely post, Uhmm what does that say... . Laws are being passed right now that concern conservative christians we should be able to discuss these issues whithout fear.
There are plenty that will stand for your right to voice your conservative opinions here in your conservative home forum, little sister. It's a shame it has come to the point anyone would have reason to feel as you do, but we are working to change this.

[Nadiine]

Because personally I am scared to, really sad that I have conservative beliefs but am scared to voice them . I feel I am not allowed as a conservative to share my views on anything that goes against a liberal view. It is really sad, I joined CC knowing I would be able to express myself but as some of you know I very rarely post, Uhmm what does that say... . Laws are being passed right now that concern conservative christians we should be able to discuss these issues whithout fear.
Oh I know, I actually got a report for doing just that, and it was ruled an RV!!
Imagine that! Now you know why I took issue w/ some moderation on that one. They called it flame, and it was not, it was a conservative fact which even Simon Templar admitted to being the case...

I know your fears.. it seems even in our own forum we're censored & silenced.

[Time2BCounted]

Nicki...

The "trick" (for lack of better word) is to address the issue, not the person. That is NEVER flaming.

Examples:
Abortion is sin! (not a flame)
You're a murderer! (flame)

Gossip is wrong (not a flame)
You need to stop being a gossip (flame)

I think liberalism is destructive to Christian values (not a flame)
You liberals are horrible (flame)



As long as you are speaking of issues, you're always "safe" as far as the rules are concerned.
Rick
Your scenario doesnt seem to work out in favor of CC members in practice... We have members being given strikes for stating the opinion that liberal theology should be avoided

[Father Rick]

Rick
Your scenario doesnt seem to work out in favor of CC members in practice... We have members being given strikes for stating the opinion that liberal theology should be avoided
How is it being stated?

Is it naming specific people/groups and denouncing them... or is it naming issues?

If it's issues, then it should be a nv...

If it's people, then it's going to be a violation.

[Nadiine]

Rick
Your scenario doesnt seem to work out in favor of CC members in practice... We have members being given strikes for stating the opinion that liberal theology should be avoided
and now one member we know doesn't speak up much due to feeling fear of retribution for doing so.

Something's wrong w/ this picture.

[Latreia]

Nicki...

The "trick" (for lack of better word) is to address the issue, not the person. That is NEVER flaming.

Examples:
Abortion is sin! (not a flame)
You're a murderer! (flame)

Gossip is wrong (not a flame)
You need to stop being a gossip (flame)

I think liberalism is destructive to Christian values (not a flame)
You liberals are horrible (flame)



As long as you are speaking of issues, you're always "safe" as far as the rules are concerned.

What this says to me is that it is not permissable to simply talk to each other as though we were real human beings and Christians as well, but it is de rigor to impersonally and coldly throw debating points at each other about issues that can never be reconciled.

If that is not the perfect recipe to eradicate Christian communication and fellowship, I can't imagine a worse one.

We are all sickened by that kind of cold, hard attitudes on CF.

:help:

[Hentenza]

Let me make something perfectly clear. There are many, many ways to defend what one believes is right and still stay within the rules. I debated for a long time in GT and never got reported. Actually some of my debates got VERY heated. The key to avoid being reported, or at least not ruled a violation, is to address the post and not the poster. The best way to debate an issue IS to debate the issue. The moment that the debate becomes personal, both sides have lost. Emotion should serve to fuel the zeal but not to flame.

[Time2BCounted]

How is it being stated?

Is it naming specific people/groups and denouncing them... or is it naming issues?

If it's issues, then it should be a nv...

If it's people, then it's going to be a violation.
So according to you, rick, saying someone lied publicly in an opening post, when in fact they did not lie, this would be considered defaming and flaming, is this right

[Father Rick]

What this says to me is that it is not permissable to simply talk to each other as though we were real human beings and Christians as well, but it is de rigor to impersonally and coldly throw debating points at each other about issues that can never be reconciled.

If that is not the perfect recipe to eradicate Christian communication and fellowship, I can't imagine a worse one.

We are all sickened by that kind of cold, hard attitudes on CF.

:help:
The rules of CF/Foru.ms have ALWAYS been to address the post, not the person... at least as long as I've been a member (3 years or so). And that was always the way in which staff (at least the various teams I served on) determined if a post was flaming or not.

It's not about being cold... quite the opposite, it's about showing respect to the other person even if you disagree/think the other person is wrong.

When Christians are just fellowhipping/chit-chatting with each other, then it's not an issue at all. If it's a debate as to theology, morals, etc. then you simply have to remember to not make it personal.

Abortion for instance...

Saying "I think you're completely off base. Scripture clearly teaches that abortion is murder." is not flaming in any way... and is very clearly stating your point of view.

Saying "you heathen, how dare you keep murdering babies?" Well, I hope you don't talk to people like that in real life... so why would you do the same here?

In real life, the second version certainly won't convince the other person of your pov... it will only provoke a huge fight that doesnt' do anyone any good. It's exactly the same online.

State your pov... be direct, even blunt with it if you want.... just keep your comments on the issues, not directed at the person and you won't have rule violations.

[Nicki4Christ]

Nicki...

The "trick" (for lack of better word) is to address the issue, not the person. That is NEVER flaming.

Examples:
Abortion is sin! (not a flame)
You're a murderer! (flame)

Gossip is wrong (not a flame)
You need to stop being a gossip (flame)

I think liberalism is destructive to Christian values (not a flame)
You liberals are horrible (flame)



As long as you are speaking of issues, you're always "safe" as far as the rules are concerned.
I see what you are saying. And thank you for responding.
But it looks like to me when you do address a specific group, when you take the time to express your view, it will then be turned around into 'what you where really trying to say was'. When that is not how it was typed nor how it was implied. It just seems to me when you express your point, someone wants to turn it around or read between imaginary lines.

^ the above is in regards to report threads from what I have seen. And that is why I feel my view will be construed in not the way it was intended.

[Time2BCounted]

So according to you, rick, saying someone lied publicly in an opening post, when in fact they did not lie, this would be considered defaming and flaming, is this right
Try not to miss this one please Rick

[Time2BCounted]

I see what you are saying. And thank you for responding.
But it looks like to me when you do address a specific group, when you take the time to express your view, it will then be turned around into 'what you where really trying to say was'. When that is not how it was typed nor how it was implied. It just seems to me when you express your point, someone wants to turn it around or read between imaginary lines.

^ the above is in regards to report threads from what I have seen. And that is why I feel my view will be construed in not the way it was intended.
Youre right Nicki
The truth is this isnt being enforced properly in CC in my opinion. CC members are now found in violation for stating just the type of opinion Rick is suggesting, while outsiders blatantly flaming CC members are being let off the hook. This is telling imo... telling of WHAT im not sure, but i know imo it isnt right

[Father Rick]

I see what you are saying. And thank you for responding.
But it looks like to me when you do address a specific group, when you take the time to express your view, it will then be turned around into 'what you where really trying to say was'. When that is not how it was typed nor how it was implied. It just seems to me when you express your point, someone wants to turn it around or read between imaginary lines.

^ the above is in regards to report threads from what I have seen. And that is why I feel my view will be construed in not the way it was intended.
I hear what you're saying...

Just go back and re-read your posts before you hit submit, and ask yourself, "Do I start talking about specific people/groups, or do I keep my comments directed at the issue?"

If you do that, you'll be fine 99% of the time.

No one is perfect, so it's still possible that you have a violation at some point... but they will be rare... and far enough apart that you won't have to worry about any kinds of fsb's, bans, etc. since they'll be dropping off faster than you're making them.

[LilLamb219]

I'd really appreciate it if this thread could get back on topic.

[Time2BCounted]

so who all is signed in on this?

[Nicki4Christ]

1) Nadiine
2) Time2bCounted
3) Nicki4Christ
4) IamRedeemed
5) drstevej
6) Content In Him
7) Latreia
8) Followers4Christ

from post #41 Not sure if someone was missed

[bill16652]

I have no problem with the idea and will sign on but my question is that if the WIKI is dead and rules are being developed will this just be a dead issue?

[Father Rick]

I have no problem with the idea and will sign on but my question is that if the WIKI is dead and rules are being developed will this just be a dead issue?
http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/images/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg


But this is so much fun!!

[LilLamb219]

I haven't had time to read this entire thread...

The new Rules link will be updated very soon I'm told by upper staff (whew). Also, warnings and infractions will soon be a reality.

Our FSR's will need to be converted to "guidelines" and we will only ask for edits and deletions of postings if someone violates these guidelines (from what I was told today...if this changes, well, then it changes...things happen so fast around here, don't they?).

FSB's will be based upon Lee's general rules so I don't think we'll have any input...even though I do like the idea of 6 strikes as you've put it.

I'll keep you guys updated when I learn anything new.

[Latreia]

http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/images/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg


But this is so much fun!!

I find this incredibly ugly, vile, and offensive.

Most of all, it is entirely uncalled for, escpecially among conservative Christians.

It may be considered hilarious on forums elsewhere, but here I see nothing at all in this that is Christian.

It is strictly political and sarcastic.

:sigh:

[rmw8855]

I have no problem with the idea and will sign on but my question is that if the WIKI is dead and rules are being developed will this just be a dead issue?

If I am understanding things correctly, then yes it is a dead issue. FSR are being changed to guidelines only and strikes/penalties will be based on site wide rules only. Our guidelines can establish non-debate areas, membership, etc. Posts can be deleted for being off topic to a specific thread or a topic not allowed in the specific forum, but penalties can't be assigned unless a site wide rule is broken. I don't know how this will apply to forum specific bans though.

[rmw8855]

oops - look like LilLamb beat me to it.

[Father Rick]

BTW guys...

There is an official announcement that came through last night. (It's at the top of the forum).
http://foru.ms/a791

[Father Rick]

I find this incredibly ugly, vile, and offensive.

Most of all, it is entirely uncalled for, escpecially among conservative Christians.

It may be considered hilarious on forums elsewhere, but here I see nothing at all in this that is Christian.

It is strictly political and sarcastic.

:sigh::doh: It's a cartoon "beating a dead horse"... which is what this whole thread is...

Good grief...:doh:

[Latreia]

:doh: It's a cartoon "beating a dead horse"... which is what this whole thread is...

Good grief...:doh:

You think that is funny.

So naturally, you don't care how it affects anyone else. That's rude, in my books.

:sigh:

[Latreia]

BTW guys...

There is an official announcement that came through last night. (It's at the top of the forum).
http://foru.ms/a791


Another reminder from LeeD: “Congregational Forums wishing to remain safe havens may choose to limit debate to members of their own denomination, insist that all posts conform to their creed etc.”

Conservative Christians are pro-humane treatment of all animals, even to showing some compassion for them after death.

:sigh:

[Father Rick]

Another reminder from LeeD: “Congregational Forums wishing to remain safe havens may choose to limit debate to members of their own denomination, insist that all posts conform to their creed etc.”

Conservative Christians are pro-humane treatment of all animals, even to showing some compassion for them after death.

:sigh:
Ok.. this is beyond ridiculous..

First, while the above may be your personal feelings, it is NOT part of the SoF for this forum... so please do not assume you speak for ALL Conservative Christians, or even the members of the CC forum on such a subject since the membership chose NOT to make such a statement in the SoF.

Second, it is simply a commonly understood expression, not an animal actually being harmed-- nor an encouragement to harm any animal.

If you don't like it fine... but to begin to harrass someone because you don't like it is ridiculous.


Would this be more to your taste?
http://www.nevtron.si/borderline/deadhors.gif

[Latreia]

And then you wonder.......

Never mind.

Thanks so much for your understanding and kindness.

And patience.

:sigh:

[MrJDSmith]

so cartoon image bad --> http://symbianguru.typepad.com/welcome/images/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg

real anamils good --> http://www1.foru.ms/attachment.php?attachmentid=103275&d=1181325241

[Father Rick]

http://www1.foru.ms/attachment.php?attachmentid=103275&d=1181325241

That's hysterical!

[Latreia]

http://www1.foru.ms/attachment.php?attachmentid=103275&d=1181325241

That's hysterical!

I know, I am the one that posted it.

The title is: The Courage of Conservative Christians

:tutu: