Once again, I am leaving this forum.

[Auntie]

The moderation here against our own is appalling. Staff here devours the sheep. I'm very sorry this place could never be a safe place.:(

[NewGuy101]

Auntie, please I ask you to reconsider at least until we see the new guidelines that Lee has to present. I am not saying things are going to get better..they haven't for a while. But I think it's worth it to see his stance on the issues.

Christian Forums Under New Management (http://foru.ms/t6349711-christian-forums-under-new-management.html)

[Tangeloper]

Hi Auntie, I would agree with what NewGuy has suggested to you... But, will support your decision. :)

[Time2BCounted]

Hang with me Auntie... We need you sis, who can fill your gap if ya go?

[Nadiine]

did something happen in a report? What caused this? She seemed to be Ok earlier yesterday (other than anger)

Ok, nevermind. I just came across Time's now closed thread that I think I see what happened.
:sigh:

[nyj]

That that thread needs to be cleaned up is a no-brainer.

[ContentInHim]

Saw the thread - and all I can say is AUNTIE, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE! :hug:

[GreenMunchkin]

Auntie, you'll notice you've called us devourers of the sheep... Satan's dealio. One of the most outrageous flames I've ever read. And yet none of us have reported you. I'd say that lends itself to the possibility that we're trying our hardest here.

[Tonks]

"Moderation against our own"? How about...making sure everyone plays by the rules regardless of whether they are "our own" or "other."

That sort of stuff is part and parcel of what has caused the CCC hiccups in the first place.

[Nadiine]

"Moderation against our own"? How about...making sure everyone plays by the rules regardless of whether they are "our own" or "other."

That sort of stuff is part and parcel of what has caused the CCC hiccups in the first place.
I tend to disagree w/ the cause of the "hiccups". But I do agree that we can't sit & flagrantly flame & expect our Mods to ignore them & be openly biased.
(when it comes to debatable or questionable issues is when I would expect added grace or lenience than slaps on the hand).
Also the issue of protection has been raised - altho I have no information or proof of anything to be able to make that assessment personally.

I try not to be biased and like to see some proof before I make claims - not just go along with people's accusations who feel that way for whatever their reasons. (which may be absolutely proven to them).

If I have no evidence of it, then I'll be quiet, but I'll keep my eyes open to the possibility.

[Nicki4Christ]

I saw your sign out, Auntie.

I enjoyed your songs in the thread for fun, You will be missed. I am praying for you!

[IamRedeemed]

I'll miss you too Auntie. Be sure to poke your head in to see how things are going
with the changes Lee is making. You might change your mind.

God bless!

http://dl7.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2/2057fp3sb49bp5.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

[Auntie]

did something happen in a report? What caused this? She seemed to be Ok earlier yesterday (other than anger)



Nadiine, what happened is I saw where you are one strike away from being FSB'ed, and you can thank Moriah for that. A woman who brags about being Satan's lover.:sigh:

Satanists are allowed to report Christians. I had a "what the heck am I doing here" moment when I realized the gravity of that fact.

This froggie is hopping out of the stew pot.

[Time2BCounted]

i have a question. I noted i have 2 strikes too but mine arent 24 hours apart... Are yours Nadiine and Auntie? I believe the rules state that we cant receive more than one strike in 24 hours but i am trying to find that for sure, so maybe we arent under that much pressure :)

I dont really feel pressured even with 2 strikes, but i believe its just one

[Nadiine]

i have a question. I noted i have 2 strikes too but mine arent 24 hours apart... Are yours Nadiine and Auntie? I believe the rules state that we cant receive more than one strike in 24 hours but i am trying to find that for sure, so maybe we arent under that much pressure :)

I dont really feel pressured even with 2 strikes, but i believe its just one
Time, I didn't even know i HAD a strike... or if I have 2 or 10....... My post was no flame, and if I do get a strike for something that lame, it would tick me off.

Supposedly I'm supposed to edit my post if they ever open the thread.... so I haven't heard any word from anybody about it.
If it was a blatant flame, I can understand, but not this.

I dunno brother... *throws hands up with all this garbage*
:|

[nyj]

We have a "3 strikes" rule? Wow, I guess I missed a lot during my time offsite.

[GreenMunchkin]

i have a question. I noted i have 2 strikes too but mine arent 24 hours apart... Are yours Nadiine and Auntie? I believe the rules state that we cant receive more than one strike in 24 hours but i am trying to find that for sure, so maybe we arent under that much pressure :)

I dont really feel pressured even with 2 strikes, but i believe its just oneOur current rules say that, yes. So if your two strikes are posts made within that time-frame, one needs to be deleted.

Let me go check.

[Nadiine]

I'll have to go back & read someone elses post on how to viciously attack people without it being a "flame" - there are a few good posts floating around for me to follow as an example.

[IamRedeemed]

Are you leaving the entire site? Because that lady is not a member of CC that I am aware of, and fortunately, from what I understand, people are no longer going to be able to promote satanist and demonic agendas and propaganda here, I would imagine that would include claims of being the bride of satan and having sex with satan (as well as ridding their sigs of pics of demons). At least I sure hope so!
I wonder if Lee even knows just how bad some of that is here on this site
and I also wonder what he thinks of that "private" forum? :confused:

I think that forum is a lawsuit waiting to happen and Lee, not the people moderating it
would be the most likely target for such. If I were him, I would shut it down with a quickness.
jmho




Nadiine, what happened is I saw where you are one strike away from being FSB'ed, and you can thank Moriah for that. A woman who brags about being Satan's lover.:sigh:

Satanists are allowed to report Christians. I had a "what the heck am I doing here" moment when I realized the gravity of that fact.

This froggie is hopping out of the stew pot.

[Nadiine]

We have a "3 strikes" rule? Wow, I guess I missed a lot during my time offsite.
I might be inclined to think that an FSB from here for 24 hours or 2 days might be likened to being grounded to your room when you have a KOOL ROOM to enjoy - vid games, Tivo, DVD player, computer.......

might not be so "horrific" as one may imagine!!
(can U say Vacation)?

[GreenMunchkin]

We have a "3 strikes" rule? Wow, I guess I missed a lot during my time offsite.That's been there since really early on, Tom. 3 violations and you get a 24 hour FSB. But you can only incur one strike every 24 hours.

I dont really feel pressured even with 2 strikes, but i believe its just oneNo, I went and checked the actual reports, and you only have 1. Make sure you tell Jim it's only 1, and link him to this thread, k?

[IamRedeemed]

hmmmm..... :scratch:
Does an RFE automatically equal a strike toward FSB?

If that is the case, with something as debatable of being a flame as your post was, (as opposed to blatant) I think the site is probably going to have more FSB'd or SWB'd members than active ones across the board. :eek:


Time, I didn't even know i HAD a strike... or if I have 2 or 10....... My post was no flame, and if I do get a strike for something that lame, it would tick me off.

Supposedly I'm supposed to edit my post if they ever open the thread.... so I haven't heard any word from anybody about it.
If it was a blatant flame, I can understand, but not this.

I dunno brother... *throws hands up with all this garbage*
:|

[NewGuy101]

I haven't gotten any violations in a while. :eek:

[Auntie]

Time, I didn't even know i HAD a strike... or if I have 2 or 10....... My post was no flame, and if I do get a strike for something that lame, it would tick me off.

Supposedly I'm supposed to edit my post if they ever open the thread.... so I haven't heard any word from anybody about it.
If it was a blatant flame, I can understand, but not this.

I dunno brother... *throws hands up with all this garbage*
:|


http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40142380&postcount=63


Nadiine

25th Oct 2007
RFE

First Strike per CC's Rules
Report


30th Oct 2007
Staff Edit

Second Strike per CC's Rules
Report

[Rep Daddy]

Gang, why not let the next few days show what the site will become?

There were some good things in Lee's announcement and some big unanswered questions yet.

Auntie, I hope you reconsider (and I am the Patron saint of Reconsidering around here).

[Nadiine]

That's been there since really early on, Tom. 3 violations and you get a 24 hour FSB. But you can only incur one strike every 24 hours.

In other words, if you're gonna blow, BLOW UP ON THE SAME DAY

[IamRedeemed]

http://pichostonline.com/u/071031/a09ee40140.gif


I might be inclined to think that an FSB from here for 24 hours or 2 days might be likened to being grounded to your room when you have a KOOL ROOM to enjoy - vid games, Tivo, DVD player, computer.......

might not be so "horrific" as one may imagine!!
(can U say Vacation)?

[Nadiine]

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40142380&postcount=63


Nadiine

25th Oct 2007
RFE

First Strike per CC's Rules
Report


30th Oct 2007
Staff Edit

Second Strike per CC's Rules
Report
& that second one is the one I'm referring to, I was told earlier in the thread I could edit it when the thread reopened & I told Edb that I would clarify my post, but that it wasn't a flame...
so they go ahead & strike it????????
what the heck is this?
so instead, they yank it & do it themselves??

And it was NOT a flame.

[Auntie]

I might be inclined to think that an FSB from here for 24 hours or 2 days might be likened to being grounded to your room when you have a KOOL ROOM to enjoy - vid games, Tivo, DVD player, computer.......

might not be so "horrific" as one may imagine!!
(can U say Vacation)?


Nadiine, it goes on your permanent record. If you ever wanted to appeal something, staff has the right to use it against you as "evidence" of your "history of bad behavior".

[Nadiine]

I haven't gotten any violations in a while. :eek:
just don't make any posts, it's easy

[Nadiine]

Nadiine, it goes on your permanent record. If you ever wanted to appeal something, staff has the right to use it against you as "evidence" of your "history of bad behavior".
oh good Lord.

they wonder why we get so cynical after awhile.

[NewGuy101]

just don't make any posts, it's easy
I guess when I stopped saying the Liberals weren't Christians I stopped getting in trouble. Odd since my opinion hasn't changed.

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, I imagine it is hard to get them while talking about hugs,
rainbows and butterflies. :sorry:



I haven't gotten any violations in a while. :eek:

[nyj]

That's been there since really early on, Tom. 3 violations and you get a 24 hour FSB. But you can only incur one strike every 24 hours.
How long do these strikes last? One at bat?

[NewGuy101]

Yes, I imagine it is hard to get them while talking about hugs,
rainbows and butterflies. :sorry:


BAHAH!! :D

I t took me a while to get that...:sorry:

[Time2BCounted]

& that second one is the one I'm referring to, I was told earlier in the thread I could edit it when the thread reopened & I told Edb that I would clarify my post, but that it wasn't a flame...
so they go ahead & strike it????????
what the heck is this?
so instead, they yank it & do it themselves??

And it was NOT a flame.
Theres always appeal right?

[Nadiine]

& that second one is the one I'm referring to, I was told earlier in the thread I could edit it when the thread reopened & I told Edb that I would clarify my post, but that it wasn't a flame...
so they go ahead & strike it????????
what the heck is this?
so instead, they yank it & do it themselves??

And it was NOT a flame.
And due to this post in that thread, I was under the impression that I could edit it when the thread was available to edit for clarification:
Nadine - that's all I'm asking is for it to be more clear, because (again) as I stated in my original post in this thread those claiming to be Christian - but not truly regenerate - crosses all denominational lines - both liberal and conservative.

I'm truly not trying to beat you up about this. I know your heart from your many posts, from the discussions we've both participated in. Knowing you (and loving you as a sister in Christ) makes it difficult for me to find issue with a post of yours. Again - I want to to be clear so a reader who doesn't know you would have no reason to question what you're saying.:hug:

edie

How does it go from this to a STRIKE when they edit it for me???

[IamRedeemed]

I agree. We should try not to get all bent out of
shape and see what is up ahead first. I also saw some things to be hopeful about in Lee's new thread.

:hug:


Gang, why not let the next few days show what the site will become?

There were some good things in Lee's announcement and some big unanswered questions yet.

Auntie, I hope you reconsider (and I am the Patron saint of Reconsidering around here).

[Nadiine]

Theres always appeal right?
maybe you can show me how, I've never had to do it, I don't know how it works :sorry:

[IamRedeemed]

Muahahahaha! :D


BAHAH!! :D

I t took me a while to get that...:sorry:

[IamRedeemed]

I learned A LOT about the importance of documentation through what happened to Time!
And not trusting info to be "there" when you need it, and therefore a back up plan such
as screen shots became apparent as a necessity at least IF anyone was actually interested in
the truth that is.

maybe you can show me how, I've never had to do it, I don't know how it works :sorry:

[GreenMunchkin]

How long do these strikes last? One at bat?That's something we need to tweak, actually. We need to add a statute of limitations. I don't think we thought we'd actually see any violations in here in the beginning.


Inning 1: Strike 3, FSB for 24 hours
Inning 2: Strike 3, FSB for 1 week
Inning 3: Strike 3, FSB for 1 month
Inning 4: Strike 3, FSB for 1 year
This is not a site wide ban but specific to CCC only.
No more than one strike can be given in a 24 hour period.
^ That's how they progress. So we need to put a cap on how long the strikes last.

[NewGuy101]

Muahahahaha! :D
I really think I'm going to switch my profile back to my old reformed tradition. Getting made fun for being a liberal isn't always fun! :sick:

[Rep Daddy]

If LeeD turns the warning system back on sitewide as he said he is, I think this all is moot and Amnesty wipes the slate.

[Auntie]

hmmmm..... :scratch:
Does an RFE automatically equal a strike toward FSB?

If that is the case, with something as debatable of being a flame as your post was, (as opposed to blatant) I think the site is probably going to have more FSB'd or SWB'd members than active ones across the board. :eek:



IaR, yes, even a RFE becomes a strike.

[Nadiine]

If LeeD turns the warning system back on sitewide as he said he is, I think this all is moot and Amnesty wipes the slate.
possibly --

[Nadiine]

IaR, yes, even a RFE becomes a strike.
so, all us members have to do is just change those rules, right? lol

[Hentenza]

I think the point is moot now since it looks like the warning/infraction system is returning. I'll let you all know when I know more.

[IamRedeemed]

http://dl5.glitter-graphics.net/pub/227/227035xiktrwi02p.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

I can't hear you......... lalalalala :ebil:


I really think I'm going to switch my profile back to my old reformed tradition. Getting made fun for being a liberal isn't always fun! :sick:

[IamRedeemed]

That makes sense.....

If LeeD turns the warning system back on sitewide as he said he is, I think this all is moot and Amnesty wipes the slate.

[NewGuy101]

http://dl5.glitter-graphics.net/pub/227/227035xiktrwi02p.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

I can't hear you......... lalalalala :ebil:

Dont make me go liberal for reals!:swoon:

[Nadiine]

look how fast a thread gains errrrr viewers :eek:

Is there some circuit board hooked up to a thread with Red Alert buzzers going off? :pink:

[vatuck]

I hope everything gets worked out soon. Seems like just about everywhere on this board, there are problems. I see people criticizing each other for just about everything under the sun and I think it's depressing. I wish you all well. My position right now is just to sit back and keep quiet until it all gets worked out. Seems to be the best way to stay out of trouble for me.

[IamRedeemed]

http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/61/61606x1tev0uiw9.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

Rofl!

Dont make me go liberal for reals!:swoon:

[Nadiine]

http://dl5.glitter-graphics.net/pub/227/227035xiktrwi02p.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

I can't hear you......... lalalalala :ebil:
:ebil:

[Nadiine]

I hope everything gets worked out soon. Seems like just about everywhere on this board, there are problems. I see people criticizing each other for just about everything under the sun and I think it's depressing. I wish you all well. My position right now is just to sit back and keep quiet until it all gets worked out. Seems to be the best way to stay out of trouble for me.
I just learned about this new problem Vatuck.... every day is a new learning experience for me.
I didn't blame you for signing out this morning -

[IamRedeemed]

http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/10/10716v2n06e5ty2.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

look how fast a thread gains errrrr viewers :eek:

Is there some circuit board hooked up to a thread with Red Alert buzzers going off? :pink:

[Hentenza]

http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/10/10716v2n06e5ty2.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

LOL!!!! That one is greeeeeat!!!^_^^_^^_^

[NewGuy101]

http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/61/61606x1tev0uiw9.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

Rofl!
*gets added to WWMC list*

[IamRedeemed]

LOL! I couldn't believe it myself what a perfect set up that was for that graphic! hahaha ^_^

LOL!!!! That one is greeeeeat!!!^_^^_^^_^

[IamRedeemed]

LOL! :holy:


*gets added to WWMC list*

[vatuck]

I just learned about this new problem Vatuck.... every day is a new learning experience for me.
I didn't blame you for signing out this morning -

Thanks. One of the things I have been working on personally is not letting myself get worked up about things. Some of you know that it's really hard to do that some days here and other places on this board (almost everywhere these days). When I joined this board a few years ago, I thought it would help me grow, I would meet new people and it would be edifying........... It hasn't been working out that way and some days I think this place is a stumbling block for Christians (for this one anyway). We all have various areas where we need work. For example, if driving in heavy traffic causes me to curse a blue streak, I might try to avoid driving when traffic is heavy.............. Anyway, it just has made me start evaluating some things, including my time here on this board..................

[Nadiine]

Thanks. One of the things I have been working on personally is not letting myself get worked up about things. Some of you know that it's really hard to do that some days here and other places on this board (almost everywhere these days). When I joined this board a few years ago, I thought it would help me grow, I would meet new people and it would be edifying........... It hasn't been working out that way and some days I think this place is a stumbling block for Christians (for this one anyway). We all have various areas where we need work. For example, if driving in heavy traffic causes me to curse a blue streak, I might try to avoid driving when traffic is heavy.............. Anyway, it just has made me start evaluating some things, including my time here on this board..................
Excellent points and I agree. I actually came to CC as a safe haven.... (hind sight is 20/20 isn't it?).

In talking to a few other people on other boards, this kinda stuff doesn't happen in the other places and I believe it's becuz the owner of the site protects the definition of Christian properly.
That cuts out 1/2 your problems.

But anyways, I think things on the whole site are hemorraging & falling apart. We also lost a good chunk of our wonderful Christians that wouldn't put up with more of the compromise to false teachings. That doesn't help this site either.

So... we wait for Lee & see if he can stop this garbage - it's just turned into one new "congregation" after another.
People attack denoms, yet are the very ones involved in finding new forums they best fit in to alleviate fighting.

I'll always keep my church home as my base of Christian learning and fellowship & worship -- I don't know what to make of all this right now either.
But I share your feelings and understand.

[Nadiine]

http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/10/10716v2n06e5ty2.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
ROFLLLL
oh that's rich

[synger]

ROFLLLL
oh that's rich
Oh, no... to REALLY understand the Blue Ball Machine in all its glory, you must see the whole thing (http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/)...

(It's my cat's favorite web site. She keeps trying to catch the balls)

[IamRedeemed]

LOL! I'm glad you enjoyed it. It couldn't have worked without the question you asked. It was perfect!
Thank you! I got a kick out of it! ^_^^_^^_^

ROFLLLL
oh that's rich

[IamRedeemed]

Oh wow, I didn't know there was a website lol!
I got that from
http://www.glitter-graphics.net/graphics/5358
They should do it on a bigger scale on the website. I betcha the cats would like it even better.
I wonder if my cats would like that? They go after other things on my screen. Mainly my cursor. I'm going to check later and see what they do hehehe

(incidently I didn't get to see the whole thing on the website. I might have to change my display
in order to. I usually keep it set at 1024 x768)


Oh, no... to REALLY understand the Blue Ball Machine in all its glory, you must see the whole thing (http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/)...

(It's my cat's favorite web site. She keeps trying to catch the balls)

[Nadiine]

We also lost a good chunk of our wonderful Christians that wouldn't put up with more of the compromise to false teachings. That doesn't help this site either.

I wanted to make an important point about this comment I made. The fact that they left in no way means "the enemy won", in fact, they've most likely gone on to even MORE effective ministry and witnessing than those of us staying here.

This site is little to no good to true seekers while other sites are much healthier.
Christians only MIGRATE to new greener pastures... when one door closes, another opens up and God uses us there.
God uses us everywhere we go; internet & real life.

So..... SATAN WINS NOTHING by it - in fact it allows Christians to just get more rewards for their efforts in eternity.
:clap: :wave:
Paul said nothing he endured here (which included his life) compares to what's in store for us when we meet our God.
So... it's a drop in the bucket on the big scale of things.
:thumbsup:

[Time2BCounted]

Satan never wins... even when he thinks he is winning all he is doing is setting things up to glorify God in the end ;)

[Nadiine]

Amen Time!!!

All praise and honor to God Almighty. :bow: :clap:

Romans 8:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=8&verse=28&version=50&context=verse)
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God,
to those who are the called according to His purpose.

:clap: :bow: :holy:

[Time2BCounted]

Amen Time!!!

All praise and honor to God Almighty. :bow: :clap:

Romans 8:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=8&verse=28&version=50&context=verse)
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God,
to those who are the called according to His purpose.

:clap: :bow: :holy:
Romans 8 Nadiine :D

31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[Rep Daddy]

Announcements - drstevej 10-31-2007 (http://foru.ms/t6352008-announcements-drstevej-10-31-2007.html)

Just Amazing

[nyj]

Announcements - drstevej 10-31-2007 (http://foru.ms/t6352008-announcements-drstevej-10-31-2007.html)

Just AmazingI don't know what's worse ... the spite reporting (at least that's how it looks from my vantage point), or the divulging the names of participants who are countering the reports.

[Rep Daddy]

I don't know what's worse ... the spite reporting (at least that's how it looks from my vantage point), or the divulging the names of participants who are countering the reports.

Or promoting this person to SA and a leader in "reconciliation" !

[nyj]

Or promoting this person to SA and a leader in "reconciliation" !Well, there is that. I guess I can't lament that too much because I was an SA myself. Of course, back then SA's weren't in charge of really anything important. It appears the lines have been seriously blurred since I left.

[Rep Daddy]

Well, there is that. I guess I can't lament that too much because I was an SA myself. Of course, back then SA's weren't in charge of really anything important. It appears the lines have been seriously blurred since I left.

I think Erwin used some conservative SAs as window dressing to appease conservatives. He did not empower them.

[nyj]

I think Erwin used some conservative SAs as window dressing to appease conservatives. He did not empower them.Maybe that's why I remained the Assistant Elections Manager, even when I was the only one doing it. I mean, who was I assisting? Myself?

[Nadiine]

Well, there is that. I guess I can't lament that too much because I was an SA myself. Of course, back then SA's weren't in charge of really anything important. It appears the lines have been seriously blurred since I left.
I don't know when you left, but imo, lines aren't much blurred anymore, there ARE NONE anymore.
:help:

[Nadiine]

Maybe that's why I remained the Assistant Elections Manager, even when I was the only one doing it. I mean, who was I assisting? Myself?
ROFL
You can pat your own back or kick yourself; you choose! lol ^_^ :cool:

[Nadiine]

I think Erwin used some conservative SAs as window dressing to appease conservatives. He did not empower them.
= conservative curtains

[nyj]

I don't know when you left, but imo, lines aren't much blurred anymore, there ARE NONE anymore.
:help:I dropped off of staff almost immediately after the whole BeMi fiasco. Primarily because I didn't want to be even remotely responsible for decisions which could have salvific consequences (since I have enough time working out my own salvation with fear and trembling) for many of the participants and more importantly innocent bystanders.

[Nadiine]

I dropped off of staff almost immediately after the whole BeMi fiasco. Primarily because I didn't want to be even remotely responsible for decisions which could have salvific consequences (since I have enough time working out my own salvation with fear and trembling) for many of the participants and more importantly innocent bystanders.
I know little about that place, but in the one thread it was brought up, I was very worried for the MEMBERS - I personally think that if that's not professionally run and properly moderated and monitored by someone "outside", serious damage can be done to people in many ways...
Becuz of the things I've read, I have to pray God deal with it Himself.

[nyj]

I know little about that place, but in the one thread it was brought up, I was very worried for the MEMBERS - I personally think that if that's not professionally run and properly moderated and monitored by someone "outside", serious damage can be done to people in many ways...
Becuz of the things I've read, I have to pray God deal with it Himself.Well, that was part of the problem with this place at the end of Erwin's term ... it was trying to be too many things. And in the end, it wasn't much of anything ... but a mess.

[Hentenza]

Well, that was part of the problem with this place at the end of Erwin's term ... it was trying to be too many things. And in the end, it wasn't much of anything ... but a mess.

Yep!! That's a fact.

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, that is a major :scratch: because not only in light of everything else she has been involved in which were major causes of division, the main thing that is really confusing about this promotion is what she said the other day, that I do believe warranted her being taken OFF the ministry team altogether which was that
("the devil can have you all for all I care") how on earth she was promoted to an
senior admin position on the ministry team for one, and SA of reconciliation to boot
is beyond my comprehension.

If that is any indication of what we have to hope for,
I'm sorry I am now not seeing it. :doh:

I told a mod about what she said as well and the mod said they would report
it if they see it and said they were going to go off to look for it.
I saved the mod the trouble and gave them the link to it.
The next thing I know it was edited and never reported.
I guess I don't have to fill in the blanks of what must have happened there. :sigh:




Or promoting this person to SA and a leader in "reconciliation" !

[Time2BCounted]

I know little about that place, but in the one thread it was brought up, I was very worried for the MEMBERS - I personally think that if that's not professionally run and properly moderated and monitored by someone "outside", serious damage can be done to people in many ways...
Becuz of the things I've read, I have to pray God deal with it Himself.

Edit to say... what about the scripture saying woe to those who call good evil and evil good? All the way around this is a very dark world any more and the darkness is prophesied to only grow til the coming of Christ.

[Nadiine]

*Note to Time - be careful w/ this subject bro - somebody would like nothing more than to spite report you right out.
So leave it be for now :hug: :cool: :pink:

*edits, I see I was a minute too late* lol

[Rep Daddy]

Yes, that is a major :scratch: because not only in light of everything else she has been involved in which were major causes of division, the main thing that is really confusing about this promotion is what she said the other day, that I do believe warranted her being taken OFF the ministry team altogether which was
that ("the devil can have you all for all I care") how on earth she was promoted to an
senior admin position on the ministry team for one, and SA of reconciliation to boot?

If that is any indication of what we have to hope for,
I'm sorry I am now not seeing it. :doh:

Send that link to MNPHYSICIST

[Nadiine]

Seriously does it ever seem that common sence issues are just completely disregarded at times or never even considered? Does it ever seem that such obvious things are just not seen and ya just cant figure HOW? LOL, There are times when i can really relate to the scriptures which say that in the end days God will cause a deep sleep to fall over the people, and in other places He refers to is as them being 'drunken'.

Every time i read through those OT prophecies i shake my head
It's like this Time, the entire forum was given strongholds to take. The enemy can only take over territory given to them.

This is only the result of someone giving place to the opposition. We can't be shocked at what we're seeing, they do what they're supposed to do.

[Hentenza]

Please lets keep the venting not personal. Some posts here are very close to the line. Let's keep it respectful. Thanks.

[Nadiine]

Yes, that is a major :scratch: because not only in light of everything else she has been involved in which were major causes of division, the main thing that is really confusing about this promotion is what she said the other day, that I do believe warranted her being taken OFF the ministry team altogether which was that
("the devil can have you all for all I care") how on earth she was promoted to an
senior admin position on the ministry team for one, and SA of reconciliation to boot
is beyond my comprehension.

If that is any indication of what we have to hope for,
I'm sorry I am now not seeing it. :doh:

I told a mod about what she said as well and the mod said they would report
it if they see it and said they were going to go off to look for it.
I saved the mod the trouble and gave them the link to it.
The next thing I know it was edited and never reported.
I guess I don't have to fill in the blanks of what must have happened there. :sigh:



I remember when she said that. I think it was on the sign out thread when she left.
I thought me or GM copied it to reply to it. I know I rebuked things after reading it.

[Father Rick]

I know little about that place, but in the one thread it was brought up, I was very worried for the MEMBERS - I personally think that if that's not professionally run and properly moderated and monitored by someone "outside", serious damage can be done to people in many ways...
Becuz of the things I've read, I have to pray God deal with it Himself.
That's exactly right... you don't know...

And since you don't know, ANYTHING you say-- good, bad, or indifferent-- is simply hearsay and/or gossip.

And as to those on the "outside"... there is more monitoring of BeMi than of any other forum here-- but again, you're just not aware of it.

Nor is Time...

Nor is anyone who is not part of the BeMi... with the exception of the dozen or so staff who are not members of the forum but simply "lurk"-- providing exactly the "outside" monitoring you are speaking of.

And ALL of those lurkers agree that what is happening there is positive, that people's lives are being impacted for Christ.



Honestly, these constant criticisms about something which you admit you don't know about (therefore you aren't in a position to make an honest criticism) are reprehensible.

[IamRedeemed]

I can't. You'll see I edited in to my post what happened with that. :sigh: She has since edited it.
There are several witnesses of that post though, including the mod I gave the link
to who I told about it.

Send that link to MNPHYSICIST

[Time2BCounted]

Fr Rick
Sometime we should debate its merits, perhaps in a theology debate forum. For now though, Everyone here blesses you in Jesus name

[Nadiine]

I have a great idea :idea: - let's get a secret 'lingo' for our posts - kinda like the sports people use all that hand stuff & nobody knows what the heck they're talking about except the people in on the code. :ebil:
PM it privately & use it for "translation".

*starts making sekrit Decoder Rings for CC members 'in the know'* heh :P

[IamRedeemed]

Personally, I think it is a lawsuit for Lee just waiting to happen. And I really wish you would quit beating up members here about it. Right, lives are being impacted for Christ in that secret forum. How naive do you think people are? What, now you are performing exorcists over the internet? Give me a break. I am involved in deliverance ministry.

Hearsay and gossip? What else would you expect but suspect opinions?
With no accountability, who knows what you are doing in there. And we out here have every
good reason to be highly concerned about it.

Like I said if I were Lee, I would shut that down with a quickness as he is the one who would
and could be sued not you. Not that people wouldn't or couldn't go after you, but
usually it wouldn't be you, but would more likely be the owner of the site who is held liable.


That's exactly right... you don't know...

And since you don't know, ANYTHING you say-- good, bad, or indifferent-- is simply hearsay and/or gossip.

And as to those on the "outside"... there is more monitoring of BeMi than of any other forum here-- but again, you're just not aware of it.

Nor is Time...

Nor is anyone who is not part of the BeMi... with the exception of the dozen or so staff who are not members of the forum but simply "lurk"-- providing exactly the "outside" monitoring you are speaking of.

And ALL of those lurkers agree that what is happening there is positive, that people's lives are being impacted for Christ.



Honestly, these constant criticisms about something which you admit you don't know about (therefore you aren't in a position to make an honest criticism) are reprehensible.

[Nadiine]

That's exactly right... you don't know...

And since you don't know, ANYTHING you say-- good, bad, or indifferent-- is simply hearsay and/or gossip.

And as to those on the "outside"... there is more monitoring of BeMi than of any other forum here-- but again, you're just not aware of it.

Nor is Time...

Nor is anyone who is not part of the BeMi... with the exception of the dozen or so staff who are not members of the forum but simply "lurk"-- providing exactly the "outside" monitoring you are speaking of.

And ALL of those lurkers agree that what is happening there is positive, that people's lives are being impacted for Christ.



Honestly, these constant criticisms about something which you admit you don't know about (therefore you aren't in a position to make an honest criticism) are reprehensible.
Hey, step off. I am not here to "debate" that place so don't try to start it with me.
I have SEEN some posts from inside the area. I know something, I don't know alot. I continue to keep my opinion.

Now move on and don't turn this into an issue.

[Time2BCounted]

I have a great idea :idea: - let's get a secret 'lingo' for our posts - kinda like the sports people use all that hand stuff & nobody knows what the heck they're talking about except the people in on the code. :ebil:
PM it privately & use it for "translation".

*starts making sekrit Decoder Rings for CC members 'in the know'* heh :P
I personally think that the whole friar sat in the sun way too long and wasnt properly fried at all. It stinks to high heavens and has rotted to the bone. The good thing is that the quick brown fox ran the poor dog half to death so the chicken isnt wasted.

solitude at 04:16

[Nadiine]

Personally, I think it is a lawsuit for Lee just waiting to happen.

You and I must think alike -- I said that awhile back when I heard some details.
Absolutely a concern.

[Nadiine]

I personally think that the whole friar sat in the sun way too long and wasnt properly fried at all. It stinks to high heavens and has rotted to the bone. The good thing is that the quick brown fox ran the poor dog half to death so the chicken isnt wasted.

solitude at 04:16
Oh I agree... and the spider monkey slipped in a dog pile and broke its hump.
& that led to the Dodge Viper that sped out of the lot and couldn't be found.

Ya know?

[bill16652]

Personally, I think it is a lawsuit for Lee just waiting to happen. And I really wish you would quit beating up members here about it. Right, lives are being impacted for Christ in that secret forum. How naive do you think people are? What, now you are performing exorcists over the internet? Give me a break. I am involved in deliverance ministry.

Hearsay and gossip? What else would you expect but suspect opinions?
With no accountability, who knows what you are doing in there. And we out here have every
good reason to be highly concerned about it.

Like I said if I were Lee, I would shut that down with a quickness as he is the one who would
and could be sued not you. Not that people wouldn't or couldn't go after you, but
usually it wouldn't be you, but would more likely be the owner of the site who is held liable.
First there are souls at stake there as well as the work God wants to do. Be careful lest you wrestle against God. That forum is needed and has all the oversight it needs. I wonder at times how much is genuine concern and caring for the people and how much is just plain wanting to know things that they have demonstrated they shouldnt know because of the lack of love and grace shown. Do you not trust your clergy? Your mods? There is much oversight as well as much good being done there.

[IamRedeemed]

Why didn't I report the post myself instead of leaving it in the hand of the mod?
Well, that was because I was already wrongfully accused by Jim just prior to that
for "spite reporting", when I reported a post rather than answer it, as I had previously.
You get told, don't answer it, just report it next time. Then you do and you get
accused of spite reporting. It was a no win deal there. :doh:

Yes, that is a major :scratch: because not only in light of everything else she has been involved in which were major causes of division, the main thing that is really confusing about this promotion is what she said the other day, that I do believe warranted her being taken OFF the ministry team altogether which was that
("the devil can have you all for all I care") how on earth she was promoted to an
senior admin position on the ministry team for one, and SA of reconciliation to boot
is beyond my comprehension.

If that is any indication of what we have to hope for,
I'm sorry I am now not seeing it. :doh:

I told a mod about what she said as well and the mod said they would report
it if they see it and said they were going to go off to look for it.
I saved the mod the trouble and gave them the link to it.
The next thing I know it was edited and never reported.
I guess I don't have to fill in the blanks of what must have happened there. :sigh:

[IamRedeemed]

I am confident that I am not wrestling against God in this situation.
Thanks for the warning though.
God bless.

First there are souls at stake there as well as the work God wants to do. Be careful lest you wrestle against God. That forum is needed and has all the oversight it needs. I wonder at times how much is genuine concern and caring for the people and how much is just plain wanting to know things that they have demonstrated they shouldnt know because of the lack of love and grace shown. Do you not trust your clergy? Your mods? There is much oversight as well as much good being done there.

[Nadiine]

{snip} Do you not trust your clergy? Your mods? There is much oversight as well as much good being done there.
bill, I truly feel there is censorship on this issue at this forum right now, so I won't elaborate on this right now.

[IamRedeemed]

Oh, no that wasn't the same thing. You are referring to the curse she left us with in the sign out thread.
Her "word of prophecy". No I saw that as well, but this occurred before that and it occurred in a thread in the ministry area.

It said, "the devil can have them for all I care." referring to us here in the CC.
Which was evident from what she said upon entry having just got back over there from here.


I remember when she said that. I think it was on the sign out thread when she left.
I thought me or GM copied it to reply to it. I know I rebuked things after reading it.

[Time2BCounted]

Yes its too bad we arent free to speak on the issue. Speaking about that forum in honest ways would start a report contest. Its best we avoid the subject in this forum probobly

I would like to debate its merits though, and i wonder if a debate in the theology section would be allowed.

[Time2BCounted]

wow IaR

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, that is probably a good idea for all of us at this moment. I'm signing off. See ya later. :wave:

God bless

bill, I truly feel there is censorship on this issue at this forum right now, so I won't elaborate on this right now.

[IamRedeemed]

I doubt it. :sigh:

i wonder if a debate in the theology section would be allowed.

[Nadiine]

Yes its too bad we arent free to speak on the issue. Speaking about that forum in honest ways would start a report contest. Its best we avoid the subject in this forum probobly

I would like to debate its merits though, and i wonder if a debate in the theology section would be allowed.
Time:.......... wrong battle, wrong time (just mho)
(no pun) =0)~ :P

God knows brother!! He knows what's going on.
Take some peace in that. :hug:

[Father Rick]

Personally, I think it is a lawsuit for Lee just waiting to happen. And I really wish you would quit beating up members here about it. Right, lives are being impacted for Christ in that secret forum. How naive do you think people are? What, now you are performing exorcists over the internet? Give me a break. I am involved in deliverance ministry.

Hearsay and gossip? What else would you expect but suspect opinions?
With no accountability, who knows what you are doing in there. And we out here have every
good reason to be highly concerned about it.

Like I said if I were Lee, I would shut that down with a quickness as he is the one who would
and could be sued not you. Not that people wouldn't or couldn't go after you, but
usually it wouldn't be you, but would more likely be the owner of the site who is held liable.

What would I expect? I would expect that those who stress that they have a high regard for scripture to hold to 1 Corinthians 13, which says that love hopes all things and believes all things. Love (according to the biblical definition) looks for the best, not the worst.

I would also expect that they refrain from gossip and hearsay.

This isn't aimed at you in particular... but at the fact that THE issue is that 99% of what is being said about BeMi is nothing more than gossip... and due to confidentiality, those who DO know what is happening can't present the facts that prove the gossip is just that-- nothing but gossip.

I don't know what your background is in deliverance. Personally, I've been ministering in this area for close to 20 years, am the head of a religious order dedicated to spiritual warfare/deliverance, and train clergy and ministry teams in how to minister in deliverance.

There are also 2 other ordained ministers, as well as a seminarian... not to mention the qualifications people hold in counseling/psychology.

And as to all the fuss about accountability--- there is more oversight given to BeMi than to ANY other forum here, so ANYTHING said about a lack of oversight is simply unfounded.

Now... you can either choose to believe I am lying to you, or you can accept that I am telling the truth and therefore your concerns are unfounded. I can't make you believe me-- but since I'm the ONLY person here who actually has first hand information about what does/does not happen there I'm the only one who can actually give you info-- anything you hear from anyone else here on CC is just gossip. And it's wrong gossip at that.
Hey, step off. I am not here to "debate" that place so don't try to start it with me.
I have SEEN some posts from inside the area. I know something, I don't know alot. I continue to keep my opinion.

Now move on and don't turn this into an issue.You brought up the subject... and even though you admit that you didn't know the fact, you were choosing to criticize. I'm not starting anything-- just correcting misinformation.

[Nadiine]

You brought up the subject... and even though you admit that you didn't know the fact, you were choosing to criticize. I'm not starting anything-- just correcting misinformation.
Wrong - I am not "allowed" to contend AGAINST that place, so your sitting there harping its praises is unfair to bring me into debate that I cannot continue.

So as I said to you, STEP OFF about it.

*edit* please =0)

[Rep Daddy]

Hi Erwin

[Nadiine]

hope he isn't looking for progress reports. :help: :swoon:

[Rep Daddy]

Wonder if there was a link at IIDB?

LOL

[Time2BCounted]

I would also expect that they refrain from gossip and hearsay.

This isn't aimed at you in particular... but at the fact that THE issue is that 99% of what is being said about BeMi is nothing more than gossip... and due to confidentiality, those who DO know what is happening can't present the facts that prove the gossip is just that-- nothing but gossip.
.


I find it interesting that you would say this for 2 reasons.

1 is that some people have more than their own word, its a matter or record.

2 you prolly know ;)


I will say this though Rick, God bless you, He knows us all to the core and this is good and righteous

[Nadiine]

Wonder if there was a link at IIDB?

LOL
you're a mind reader steve lol

[Nadiine]

*humming "Onward Christian Soldiers"*

:holy:

[nyj]

Well, my comments weren't intended to start an entire discussion on that forum. I was merely giving my reasons as to why I dropped off staff. When it became obvious people were seriously going into issues that I don't think a MB is qualified to handle, I figured I was in over my head. I believe I've said as much.

For the rest. I frankly don't care about it.

[Father Rick]

I find it interesting that you would say this for 2 reasons.

1 is that some people have more than their own word, its a matter or record.

2 you prolly know ;)


I will say this though Rick, God bless you, He knows us all to the core and this is good and righteous
So you're saying you've had info from BeMi disclosed to you?

[Rep Daddy]

FR are you trying to bait a report on T2BC?
STOP!

[Father Rick]

FR are you trying to bait a report on T2BC?
STOP!
No... just clarifying what he said.

[Rep Daddy]

Please STOP

[Time2BCounted]

So you're saying you've had info from BeMi disclosed to you?


I'm sure we can discuss that with Lee sometime soon if you like Rick. I'm afraid im not disposed to discuss it here with you, i'm very sorry.

Let me ask your opinion on this scripture if you dont mind, what exactly is being said here?

Luke 11
19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.




God bless

[Father Rick]

I'm sure we can discuss that with Lee sometime soon if you like Rick. I'm afraid im not disposed to discuss it here with you, i'm very sorry.

Let me ask your opinion on this scripture if you dont mind, what exactly is being said here?

Luke 11
19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.




God bless
The short version is that part of the process of deliverance should be to see the person taught how to walk in freedom (aka. how to live the gospel) instead of just trying to cast out demons just because you can-- otherwise you can actually do the person more harm than good.

[Nadiine]

Well, my comments weren't intended to start an entire discussion on that forum. I was merely giving my reasons as to why I dropped off staff. When it became obvious people were seriously going into issues that I don't think a MB is qualified to handle, I figured I was in over my head. I believe I've said as much.

For the rest. I frankly don't care about it.
I think that's a smart move. Besides, you don't come here to get into 'secret service' type stuff.
Most people come here to be able to hang out on a "Christian" site... i would never volunteer my time and energy in something on that scale.

[Time2BCounted]

The short version is that part of the process of deliverance should be to see the person taught how to walk in freedom (aka. how to live the gospel) instead of just trying to cast out demons just because you can-- otherwise you can actually do the person more harm than good.
Where do you see that in the scripture i pointed out please rick? Where here does it say that, could you highlight it in red please to help me see your point?

Luke 11
19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.




God bless

[Rep Daddy]

T2BC don't get sucked in.

I'm sure we can discuss that with Lee sometime soon if you like Rick. I'm afraid im not disposed to discuss it here with you, i'm very sorry.

FR, please STOP

[Nadiine]

T2BC don't get sucked in.

FR, please STOP
:thumbsup:

[Criada]

Since Rick isn't here - can I butt in? :hug:

If an evil spirit is cast out,and the person isn't taught the gospel, they re open to re-possession as it were.
So his point about teaching the person to live in freedom, in the Holy Spirit, is what is neccessary to protect against that.

Or at least, that's how I've always read that passage - apologies if i am totally off the wall.

[Time2BCounted]

The short version is that part of the process of deliverance should be to see the person taught how to walk in freedom (aka. how to live the gospel) instead of just trying to cast out demons just because you can-- otherwise you can actually do the person more harm than good.



Better yet let me ask it this way. You say that if we dont live the gospel we harm those we are delivering form demons?

The scripture i believe DOES say those delivered from demons can end up worse than before they were delivered, but it doesnt cite the reason you do. I will highlight a part in red, would you tell me what scripture tells us will cause one to end up worse than they were before they were delivered?

Luke 11
19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.




God bless

[Father Rick]

Where do you see that in the scripture i pointed out please rick? Where here does it say that, could you highlight it in red please to help me see your point?

Luke 11
19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.




God bless.

[Time2BCounted]

That was a very safe answer :)

[Father Rick]

Since Rick isn't here - can I butt in? :hug:

If an evil spirit is cast out,and the person isn't taught the gospel, they re open to re-possession as it were.
So his point about teaching the person to live in freedom, in the Holy Spirit, is what is neccessary to protect against that.

Or at least, that's how I've always read that passage - apologies if i am totally off the wall.
exactly

[Time2BCounted]

ok Rick you said
you said

Originally Posted by Father Rick http://www3.foru.ms/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=40302125#post40302125)
The short version is that part of the process of deliverance should be to see the person taught how to walk in freedom (aka. how to live the gospel) instead of just trying to cast out demons just because you can-- otherwise you can actually do the person more harm than good.


I asked yo uto highlight in the red where it said that
Luke 11
19And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.

20But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.


I dont see it would you explain

[Time2BCounted]

exactly

Originally Posted by Criada http://www3.foru.ms/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=40302394#post40302394)
Since Rick isn't here - can I butt in? :hug:

If an evil spirit is cast out,and the person isn't taught the gospel, they re open to re-possession as it were.
So his point about teaching the person to live in freedom, in the Holy Spirit, is what is neccessary to protect against that.

Or at least, that's how I've always read that passage - apologies if i am totally off the wall.



Fr Rick, i was wondering about praise reports... are you allowed to share praise reports? I was wondering who has been delivered or recovered since the start of the forum? I'm sure that would help ease a lot of folks perhaps.


God bless

[Rep Daddy]

I saw several staff got delivered from viewing the process.

[bill16652]

Olease just stop. This discussion is not productive nor is it necessary. Lee will decide along with Chaplincy and staff what is relevant and good without all this. I have stated my position on this agree or disagree it matters not. I know that God is in this. Giving people unlimited access will be harmful, not healing or productive. It is obvious that many care nothing forthe people involved or they would be praying for them rather than ignoring the fact that souls are involved and trying to see things that not all need to see.

[Criada]

Olease just stop. This discussion is not productive nor is it necessary. Lee will decide along with Chaplincy and staff what is relevant and good without all this. I have stated my position on this agree or disagree it matters not. I know that God is in this. Giving people unlimited access will be harmful, not healing or productive. It is obvious that many care nothing forthe people involved or they would be praying for them rather than ignoring the fact that souls are involved and trying to see things that not all need to see.
Amen.

[Rep Daddy]

Then take it elsewhere. FR seems to continue after asked not to. Why not scold him?

[Time2BCounted]

Bill brother youre certainly entitled to your opinion. Some of us differ, its nothiing personal. The point is though we have our hands tied and cannot talk about it. It has been made a topic that CAN have some of us banned for the moment here in this forum.

I dont mind discussing it, or even debating it, but we cant do it here and now.

It may be possible however, for Rick to talk to Lee and see if he can make room for a public discussion with all opinions welcomed.

[Rep Daddy]

Yep, this is just BAN BAIT here.

[Nadiine]

*keeps watchful eye*

*hums a tune: "tempted by the fruit of another"...
:holy: :holy:

[Time2BCounted]

Yes i believe though if anyone really wants a discussion on it, Lee would lilkely be happy to allow it, giving ear to all opinions and evidences. I would be happy to participate in such a public discussion, perhaps in announcements or wiki discussions, wherever he wanted it

[bill16652]

OK lets talk football:) I like the Steelers

[Nadiine]

OK lets talk football:) I like the Steelers
lol
errr something on topic to the OP..... like wanting Auntie to come back? or stay?
I lost track of the revolving door pages ago.

[Father Rick]

[/I]



Fr Rick, i was wondering about praise reports... are you allowed to share praise reports? I was wondering who has been delivered or recovered since the start of the forum? I'm sure that would help ease a lot of folks perhaps.


God bless
No... I cannot discuss either the good or the bad-- that's what confidential means.

I can attest that there has been definite progress/breakthroughs with some, but that's about all I am free to divulge.

[Rep Daddy]

STOP FR, Please!

[Father Rick]

STOP FR, Please!
He asked a question (actually several questions)...

I simply answered them...

Where's the problem?

[Rep Daddy]

read the report. Now back to the topic of Auntie.

Please reconsider, Auntie.

[LilLamb219]

I remember reading that as well!!!!! :scratch: :mad:


Oh, no that wasn't the same thing. You are referring to the curse she left us with in the sign out thread.
Her "word of prophecy". No I saw that as well, but this occurred before that and it occurred in a thread in the ministry area.

It said, "the devil can have them for all I care." referring to us here in the CC.
Which was evident from what she said upon entry having just got back over there from here.

[IamRedeemed]

ROFL!!!! http://pichostonline.com/u/071101/34de68dc1e.gif


*keeps watchful eye*

*hums a tune: "tempted by the fruit of another"...
:holy: :holy:

[IamRedeemed]

Which Lil, the curse in the sign in thread upon signing out,
or the other one where she said the devil could have us?

I remember reading that as well!!!!! :scratch: :mad:

[GreenMunchkin]

I told a mod about what she said as well and the mod said they would report
it if they see it and said they were going to go off to look for it.
I saved the mod the trouble and gave them the link to it.
The next thing I know it was edited and never reported.
I guess I don't have to fill in the blanks of what must have happened there. :sigh:

Why didn't I report the post myself instead of leaving it in the hand of the mod?
Well, that was because I was already wrongfully accused by Jim just prior to that
for "spite reporting", when I reported a post rather than answer it, as I had previously.
You get told, don't answer it, just report it next time. Then you do and you get
accused of spite reporting. It was a no win deal there. :doh:
The post was edited *because* it was reported.


Good grief.

[Miracle Storm]

Guys give CC staff a break.

They love you all and it hurts when certain things are said.

They do have to judge fairly on reports it is their duty as staff.
Please look past the staff tag and see our brothers and sisters in Christ...:pray:

God bless you all!:hug:

[IamRedeemed]

Oh was it? I never saw it in the reports.
Can you provide a link here to the report please?
If so, I will happily apologize and eat some crow. :thumbsup:


The post was edited *because* it was reported.


Good grief.

[Miracle Storm]

Auntie please don't leave sissy.

Things are starting to look up around here. :hug:

[FriendsFellowship]

Oh was it? I never saw it in the reports.
Can you provide a link here to the report please?

I saw the report, I remember reading it.

[Miracle Storm]

Oh was it? I never saw it in the reports.
Can you provide a link here to the report please?
If so, I will happily apologize and eat some crow. :thumbsup:

What was the name hon and I'll see if I can find it..?

[IamRedeemed]

No, this particular matter needs to be cleared up because Belinda was promoted as an SA on
the ministry team (in Reconciliation no less) today, after saying the devil could have the
brothers and sisters in this forum. (that was in addition to departing this forum with a curse).

Guys give CC staff a break.

They love you all and it hurts when certain things are said.

They do have to judge fairly on reports it is their duty as staff.
Please look past the staff tag and see our brothers and sisters in Christ...:pray:

God bless you all!:hug:

[IamRedeemed]

I am NOT referring to what she said in the sign in thread upon signing out.
Which I am 99% sure that you are.

I saw the report, I remember reading it.

[IamRedeemed]

Hi MS,

The name of what? The forum it was posted in? Or the name of the person?

What was the name hon and I'll see if I can find it..?

[FriendsFellowship]

I am NOT referring to what she said in the sign in thread upon signing out.
Which I am 99% sure that you are.

Yes, you are probably right...

[Miracle Storm]

No, this particular matter needs to be cleared up because Belinda was promoted as an SA on
the ministry team (in Reconciliation no less) today, after saying the devil could have the
brothers and sisters in this forum. (that was in addition to departing this forum with a curse).
Okay I'm not sure what you are talking about because I can't don't have a link to a post and cannot seem to fine a report on this. . .
I'd say the best people for you to speak with about this is Mnphysicist and Constance, because really that's out of CC hands..I'm not sure who is over reconciliation team, but those are two of the top dogs, so they would certainly know what to tell you.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

[IamRedeemed]

Thank you MS. It wouldn't be in the E-section Reports if that is where you looked.
I am trying to avoid identifying the mod whom I disclosed the information to, but trust
me when I say that the reason is valid that it is being brought up here. If GM says it
was reported, and it is a "good grief" on my part, perhaps she knows where the report
is and will provide the link, as I did not see it at the time and I am not seeing it
where it should be now if indeed it exists. For the record, I sincerely hope I am wrong
and the mod did indeed report it. I really do!

GM?


Okay I'm not sure what you are talking about because I can't don't have a link to a post and cannot seem to fine a report on this. . .
I'd say the best people for you to speak with about this is Mnphysicist and Constance, because really that's out of CC hands..I'm not sure who is over reconciliation team, but those are two of the top dogs, so they would certainly know what to tell you.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

[GreenMunchkin]

Report (http://foru.ms/t6321706-christian-clubs-belindap-10-25-2007.html)

[IamRedeemed]

Well, I am very sorry. I WAS WRONG! I humbly begin eating crow immediately, but at the same time I am rejoicing! A) because I really wanted to be wrong and B) I have found the information that PROVES Belinda said that, and I wasn't making it up.

It also provides a good reason for the authority around here to take a second look at what they are doing when they a) have someone on the ministry team who would say such a thing and b) promote this person to an SA on that team. It is ludicrous!

Here is the link to the report which shows what she said.

http://foru.ms/t6321706-christian-clubs-belindap-10-25-2007.html

[Miracle Storm]

Report (http://foru.ms/t6321706-christian-clubs-belindap-10-25-2007.html)
Thank you Greenie.

[GreenMunchkin]

Well, I am very sorry. I WAS WRONG! I humbly begin eating crow immediately, but at the same time I am rejoicing! A) because I really wanted to be wrong and B) I have found the information that PROVES Belinda said that, and I wasn't making it up.

It also provides a good reason for the authority around here to take a second look at what they are doing when they a) have someone on the ministry team who would say such a thing and b) promote this person to an SA on that team. It is ludicrous!

Here is the link to the report which shows what she said.

http://foru.ms/t6321706-christian-clubs-belindap-10-25-2007.html
S'all good, duck :hug:

Thank you Greenie.:hug: Love you, sis :hug:

[IamRedeemed]

Thank you GM, I found it myself and just posted an apology to you. I was wrong and I am very glad I was wrong and I do humbly apologize.

:eating crow:

Report (http://foru.ms/t6321706-christian-clubs-belindap-10-25-2007.html)

[IamRedeemed]

Thank you GM....again I am very sorry. :hug::hug::hug:

S'all good, duck :hug:

[IamRedeemed]

:hug:

Yes, you are probably right...

[Ishida]

Bye-bye.