Poll: Should we as conservatives actively work on conservative agendas here at 4U?

[Time2BCounted]

Not a debate, I am just looking for everyones opinion.

My answer in short is yes, because moderates, liberals, atheists, nonchristians, and people of other religions will be working toward their agendas, and if we go to sleep at the wheel one day we will have no voice at all here unless it becomes a voice of compromise. So i believe we should be working on our agendas too in wikis and in debate, both in our debate forum, wiki rules and discussion, and elsewhere

God bless and thank you

[Followers4christ]

I voted yes.We must fight and bring For.u to a much higher standard.We must make this a site built on Christ's values not mans.We must make this a safe place where brothers and sisters in Christ can unite and encourage each other.God Bless

[Nadiine]

I'd be long gone from this place if I didn't feel the answer was yes.
:thumbsup:

[Simon_Templar]

I voted other.

If people feel lead to work to accomplish something on this site I have no problem with that at all. In fact, I'd support conservatives working for an agenda that I agreed with.

However,
to be completely honest, I feel no call, and no great concern personally to effect change in the administration or the vision of the site and its owners. When it comes to ministry and such, I feel called to work locally. Thus I basically just come to the site here for broad range of conversation, which is hard to find in "real life".
As a result, I feel no calling to get involved in what I see as the politics of the sight. If people ask for support, I'll lend my voice, but its not something I'm passionate about.

I don't expect that everyone would share my situation here, and thus I have no problem with people who want to campaign for change, and I have no problem with them asking for support in their effort. Just make sure it doesn't become a name calling "your not conservative if you don't share my vision" kind of thing.

[bill16652]

I voted yes but it is as the spirit leads. Some are called to be warriors and others are called to be ministers of peace and grace. Sometimes the two cross but not always. Remember that when God called Israel to fight most were sent home. One because many were not warriors and two because then man could not claim the glory for the victory.

[Rep Daddy]

When a CEO can toss out things that have been worked for for years with no explanation it make you wonder whether wiki-wrangling makes any sense.

If Lee has no convictions he is willing to enforce any effort is wasted.

[nyj]

It doesn't bother me if people work their agenda throughout the site. However, I don't think it should dominate discussions in this particular forum. In that sense, I'm along the lines of Simon_Templar.

[Rep Daddy]

My agenda is MORE STARS

rep-a-holism is an agenda

[ladybug1980]

Of course. What's the point of a conservative forum then? :) :) :) :)

[GreenMunchkin]

My agenda is MORE STARS

rep-a-holism is an agendaI thought you were happy to stop at 1!

[Rep Daddy]

I thought you were happy to stop at 1!

1 more than GM ;)

[nyj]

What's the point of a conservative forum then?Theological discourse and fellowship?

[Auntie]

I'm not going to vote on this today, because right now I'm really tired, and this is not my priority atm.

My goal atm is to bring healing to our home, the CC Forum. To have a time where our focus is on fellowship.

Working on conservative agendas will cause the liberals to continue harassing us, and continue to try to destroy the CC Forum. Just stating the sad facts of the situation.

Kinda like RL, before you try to change the world, make sure things at home are taken care of first. Our priority should always be taking care of home first.

Right now, CC needs a break from the invasions by non-members. We need a time of healing, a time of refreshing.

[GreenMunchkin]

I'm not going to vote on this today, because right now I'm really tired, and this is not my priority atm.

My goal atm is to bring healing to our home, the CC Forum. To have a time where our focus is on fellowship.:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Auntie]

It doesn't bother me if people work their agenda throughout the site. However, I don't think it should dominate discussions in this particular forum. In that sense, I'm along the lines of Simon_Templar.


Agreed. CC needs a break.

[Rep Daddy]

Let me know when the forum regains a spine.

[nyj]

Let me know when the forum regains a spine.
Sure thing Steve. Should I PM you, email you ... or will you lurk? ;)

I don't think this forum needs to maintain a state of high drama for people to do things they feel called to do.

[Lisa0315]

I'm not going to vote on this today, because right now I'm really tired, and this is not my priority atm.

My goal atm is to bring healing to our home, the CC Forum. To have a time where our focus is on fellowship.

Working on conservative agendas will cause the liberals to continue harassing us, and continue to try to destroy the CC Forum. Just stating the sad facts of the situation.

Kinda like RL, before you try to change the world, make sure things at home are taken care of first. Our priority should always be taking care of home first.

Right now, CC needs a break from the invasions by non-members. We need a time of healing, a time of refreshing.

Amen! I feel the same way!

Lisa

[Auntie]

It doesn't bother me if people work their agenda throughout the site. However, I don't think it should dominate discussions in this particular forum. In that sense, I'm along the lines of Simon_Templar.


Just to add, I might be working on a particular conservative agenda very soon, something that might be in an appeal. But there is no way I would bring it into this forum. I might PM some members, asking for help, but won't involve the CC Forum with it.

[Rep Daddy]

Sure thing Steve. Should I PM you, email you ... or will you lurk? ;)

I don't think this forum needs to maintain a state of high drama for people to do things they feel called to do.

I am not advocating a high state of drama. I think cowering in the corner in fear that if we have a voice then we will be invaded by liberals is surrender and monasticism.

[ContentInHim]

Voted yes AND agree with Simon, Steve and nyj!

When a CEO can toss out things that have been worked for for years with no explanation it make you wonder whether wiki-wrangling makes any sense.

If Lee has no convictions he is willing to enforce any effort is wasted.

It doesn't bother me if people work their agenda throughout the site. However, I don't think it should dominate discussions in this particular forum. In that sense, I'm along the lines of Simon_Templar.

[NewGuy101]

Whether you like it or not, we all have agendas. Whether its making this place strictly a place for fellowship or a place to make reform we all do it. I think as conservatives we hold the scripture as our standard not only for ethics but to develop our world views. Christianity isn't simply as system of moralism but a complete structure which involves not only brining healing, but apologetics and I thinking bringing this website back to it's rightful place to Christ. That however doesn't imply having everyone getting directly involved in the actual reformation but it does have everyone supporting it.

[Nadiine]

I am not advocating a high state of drama. I think cowering in the corner in fear that if we have a voice then we will be invaded by liberals is surrender and monasticism.
I have no intentions on cowering anywhere... but as I saw it, it was partially an internal issue which manifested.
I don't think it's just one issue and unless people group together in unity, it's not one person's lone battle.

I won't fight for something by myself or when no one else is going to stand with me on it...
It's a group effort or forget it imho.

[Criada]

My goal atm is to bring healing to our home, the CC Forum. To have a time where our focus is on fellowship.

Kinda like RL, before you try to change the world, make sure things at home are taken care of first. Our priority should always be taking care of home first.

Right now, CC needs a break from the invasions by non-members. We need a time of healing, a time of refreshing.
Agree 100% with this!!
(Haven't voted, cos am not a member.:))

[Auntie]

I am not advocating a high state of drama. I think cowering in the corner in fear that if we have a voice then we will be invaded by liberals is surrender and monasticism.


I am not advocating that either. I thought you knew me better than that. But I think we all need a "home". Our home has been under relentless attack for weeks and weeks. If we don't allow a time for refreshing, then the libs WILL get their wish, and the CC Forum will be destroyed.

My priority atm is to stop the IIDB/WWMC folks from making spite reports against the good members here.

Their goal is to get enough strikes against CC members so that we might be FSB'ed.

As it is now, they have called for Time to be banned, yet again.

We need some peace here, a measure of peace.

Not that we should not fight the good fight, but that we should not destroy our home in the process.

[ContentInHim]

Agreed, Auntie.

Time is no good to us if he is banned again! :(

[Nadiine]

I am not advocating that either. I thought you knew me better than that. But I think we all need a "home". Our home has been under relentless attack for weeks and weeks. If we don't allow a time for refreshing, then the libs WILL get their wish, and the CC Forum will be destroyed.

My priority atm is to stop the IIDB/WWMC folks from making spite reports against the good members here.

Their goal is to get enough strikes against CC members so that we might be FSB'ed.

As it is now, they have called for Time to be banned, yet again.

We need some peace here, a measure of peace.

Not that we should not fight the good fight, but that we should not destroy our home in the process.
Another ban?????????
:swoon: :swoon: :swoon: :help: :help: :help:

sigh

[Nadiine]

My priority atm is to stop the IIDB/WWMC folks from making spite reports against the good members here.

I was reading that in some recent reports... spite reporting, can someone explain what this is?

And if I'm not mistaken, if our posts have no violations in them, then we cant' get strikes against us.

So, maybe we should cover each other's backs - if you see a post that some LURKER could pounce on, PM them & toss them a friendly note to possibly edit.

[Nadiine]

And can we ask for a PRIVACY thread that no one else can see???
If other folks can have one, why can't we have one too? We can "plot" and regroup privately.

[Rep Daddy]

I am not advocating that either. I thought you knew me better than that. But I think we all need a "home". Our home has been under relentless attack for weeks and weeks. If we don't allow a time for refreshing, then the libs WILL get their wish, and the CC Forum will be destroyed.

My priority atm is to stop the IIDB/WWMC folks from making spite reports against the good members here.

Their goal is to get enough strikes against CC members so that we might be FSB'ed.

As it is now, they have called for Time to be banned, yet again.

We need some peace here, a measure of peace.

Not that we should not fight the good fight, but that we should not destroy our home in the process.

The solution is solid rules and vigilant moderation not clamming up.

Of course they will leave us alone if we go mute.

[ContentInHim]

And can we ask for a PRIVACY thread that no one else can see???
If other folks can have one, why can't we have one too? We can "plot" and regroup privately.
Is this even possible? It would be nice.

[Nadiine]

ps. I would HOPE that the staff would understand that when there's a HEATED thread, you should offer some grace if several go thru reports too.

That should be a given -

[Rep Daddy]

And Jim47, I ask you to stand up for this forum against invaders who are your friends. Either that or resign this area,

[Nadiine]

Is this even possible? It would be nice.
Ya it really would be nice so we can do CC FORUM business together & say what we need in privacy, since we see so many lurkers here lately.

[Rep Daddy]

Frankly, we could tie up their forum with reports too. The solution is good moderation and discarding bogus reports from outsiders.

[Rep Daddy]

If folks here would stand for our forum I am with you, but if roll over and keep a low profile and be timid is the MO then I am out of my element.

[Nadiine]

If folks here would stand for our forum I am with you, but if roll over and keep a low profile and be timid is the MO then I am out of my element.
I've already been there steve.... I'm not doing it again; it gets real cold while your backside's exposed. :mad:

then again, where are we marching? :scratch: :confused: LOLOL

[Simon_Templar]

I am not advocating a high state of drama. I think cowering in the corner in fear that if we have a voice then we will be invaded by liberals is surrender and monasticism.
monasticism isn't a surrender. Modern misconceptions aside (monasteries were actually pretty socially active and usually had social purposes) monasticism was often about intercessory prayer and spiritual warfare.

Monasteries were often devoted (in addition to social services) to praying ceaselessly for rulers, and for the state of society etc.

It can be and sometimes was about escapism, but that is not why monasticism started, nor what it was really about. As with anything it has its abuses.

The world needs more monks, not less.

[DerSchweik]

From a quick blurb I wrote in my blog, more generally speaking to our "agenda" as Christians - to evangelize the world. When it comes to our conservative "agenda" I think the general principle still applies (sans the commandment).I see "agenda" as being the things we VALUE as Christians. Is it "OK" then to promote one's agenda as a Christian? IMO, not only is it "OK," but it is commanded we do so (c.f. Mt 28:18-20).
It is our VALUES that motivate us. We must be thus motivated to:

Effectively ARTICULATE (succinctly define - first for ourselves, then for others) those values; then,
Effectively COMMUNICATE those values; and,
Effectively DEFEND those values.And finally, we must GRACIOUSLY ATTEMPT TO PERSUADE those who do not hold these values (yet) that we may win as many as we can.

Re conservative values: ARTICULATE, COMMUNICATE, DEFEND, and GRACIOUSLY PERSUADE, where possible.

Something I'd like to see all of us become better at is the first (articulation) and especially the last point (graciousness). A gracious attitude smooths many sensitivities to insults, mockings, and all other manner of "persecutions" we tend to feel from those who disagree with us.

Love ya all! God bless!!!

[Rep Daddy]

I've already been there steve.... I'm not doing it again; it gets real cold while your backside's exposed. :mad:

then again, where are we marching? :scratch: :confused: LOLOL

I thought we were marching to present and defend the things we believe. Is that not a worthy goal?

I have taken more arrows in the backside than most here. Why do you think Eph 6 issues us armor.

Ever watch Private Benjamin? This isn't condos and tennis courts.

We were told to take up the armor and stand not duck and cover.

[Nadiine]

I thought we were marching to present and defend the things we believe. Is that not a worthy goal?

I have taken more arrows in the backside than most here. Why do you think Eph 6 issues us armor.

Ever watch Private Benjamin? This isn't condos and tennis courts.

We were told to take up the armor and stand not duck and cover.
I of all people know it isn't condo's & Sunday brunch's at the Beverly Hilton --
:|

[Rep Daddy]

I of all people know it isn't condo's & Sunday brunch's at the Beverly Hilton --
:|

Great. Let's stand firm and use the sword some.

[Hentenza]

Frankly, we could tie up their forum with reports too. The solution is good moderation and discarding bogus reports from outsiders.

And how should we do that Steve? Should we play favorites? Should we ignore the rule violations?

The answer is to NOT to fall for the bait. We have to raise above the crud and not give in to our anger. They are playing that card you know.

[Nadiine]

And how should we do that Steve? Should we play favorites? Should we ignore the rule violations?

The answer is to NOT to fall for the bait. We have to raise above the crud and not give in to our anger. They are playing that card you know.
As I understand his post, he's saying we COULD play that game, not that we should.
I took it as a "we could get even, but we seek something else" sort of post.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

And I agree, we have to outsmart an oponent - but we can be sure that we HAVE THEM out there and it's becoming obvious what's going on here.

[Rep Daddy]

No do not ignore rule violations but don't start the we forgive you chorus rather than enforcing the rules here.

[Rep Daddy]

As I understand his post, he's saying we COULD play that game, not that we should.
I took it as a "we could get even, but we seek something else" sort of post.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

And I agree, we have to outsmart an oponent - but we can be sure that we HAVE THEM out there and it's becoming obvious what's going on here.

What Nadiine said

[Auntie]

The solution is solid rules and vigilant moderation not clamming up.




Agree completely.

Frankly, we could tie up their forum with reports too. The solution is good moderation and discarding bogus reports from outsiders.


Agree completely.


And Jim47, I ask you to stand up for this forum against invaders who are your friends.


Agree completely. But that won't happen. Sorry to say. Coz if it did, CC problems would be over. The mods here have no desire to protect the CC sheep. Invaders are allowed to debate, flame, and file spite reports. Even Moriah has 2 going currently.

[Criada]

Agree completely.




Agree completely.





Agree completely. But that won't happen. Sorry to say. Coz if it did, CC problems would be over. The mods here have no desire to protect the CC sheep. Invaders are allowed to debate, flame, and file spite reports. Even Moriah has 2 going currently.
The mods here do a great job, in my opinion.
It's not easy, and perhaps we should support and encourage them more.
They love this forum and its members, and do their best! Donb't think we can require any more of them!

[Nadiine]

And how should we do that Steve? Should we play favorites?
yes?

Should we ignore the rule violations?
yes?
:blush: :sorry: =0) I would like that =0)

[GreenMunchkin]

The mods here have no desire to protect the CC sheep.:sigh: If we're so woeful, y'all need to apply. Honestly, instead of constantly saying how crap we are, which achieves nothing other than hurting our feelings, become mods and do it differently. I'm not saying that accusatorily. It's just the logical answer :hug:

[BAFRIEND]

I voted yes.

otherwise the relativism will eventually ooze into this forum.

[NewGuy101]

:sigh: If we're so woeful, y'all need to apply. Honestly, instead of constantly saying how crap we are, which achieves nothing other than hurting our feelings, become mods and do it differently. I'm not saying that accusatorily. It's just the logical answer :hug:
I did do that

I got jumped my great staff...or did you forget already?

[Nadiine]

but seriously, at the same time, we do have rules to follow - personally, I don't consider some of the reports "flames" -- but some do look like flames...

We wont' get reported if there isn't anything reportable (or if we do, we at least won't get strikes)...
so we do have to operate correctly becuz they do have to follow protocol... the 'deliberation' stuff that could go either way and protection stuff is another issue that people who know the rules better than I do can address.

I just know some of it falls on us to comply w/ rules or they'de have no ammunition to attack with.

[ContentInHim]

And Jim47, I ask you to stand up for this forum against invaders who are your friends. Either that or resign this area,
Amen!

[Rep Daddy]

GM, I am not pointing a finger at you. My concern is with a Sup who pals with home invaders.

[Simon_Templar]

We have alot of talk about taking it to the enemy.. and If we were talking about a spiritual enemy that would be fine.. but I get the impression that a lot of us are viewing other people here as the enemy.

I know how easy it is to get frustrated with people who serve the enemy. Especially when they are happy to do so.

However, I also seem to remember something about loving our enemies and that if we only love our friends we're no better than the heathens.

Next time I'm in an argument with an atheist, you all will undoubtedly have to remind me of my own words here.. but perhaps we'd be better served by viewing the people in question as people who need to be set free, and need God's deliverance, rather than "the enemy" and "our opponents".

I'm not suggesting that we ignore rules violations, but I'm suggesting maybe our attitude is a little out of joint.

I'll be the first to step up and tell you that certain beliefs on this board are Heretical, and many are Apostate, and some are simply not even within the realm of "christian" to begin with. However, if we really want to accomplish anything worthwhile, we need to adopt an attitude that is open to speak into the lives of any of these people... and you really can't speak into someone's life when you are holding a rally against them and painting them as the enemy who needs to be beaten down.

[Rep Daddy]

The enemy is false doctrine and the false teachers and savage wolves who harm with false doctrine.

[Simon_Templar]

the mods here have no desire to protect the sheep

Part of the problem, I think, is that the so called sheep here have been behaving more like wolves out to kill and devoure anyone who they deem to be a threat.

[GreenMunchkin]

I did do that

I got jumped my great staff...or did you forget already?Julio, iirc, you said at the time I supported you more than anyone. So, yes, I recall.

I also recall it wasn't as black and white as you're making out.

And Steve, while you may personally not be, many others are. So my advice to them is to step up and mod the place.

[Nadiine]

Part of the problem, I think, is that the so called sheep here have been behaving more like wolves out to kill and devoure anyone who they deem to be a threat.
so called sheep??

[ContentInHim]

:sigh: If we're so woeful, y'all need to apply. Honestly, instead of constantly saying how crap we are, which achieves nothing other than hurting our feelings, become mods and do it differently. I'm not saying that accusatorily. It's just the logical answer :hug:
I have seen you stand up for us, GM. And we for sure could use more mods to back you guys up! :hug:

I think with everything we post, especially with MCW lurking with IIDB pals, we think twice before hitting the Post Reply button. AND not let them see you sweat! LOL!

[Auntie]

:sigh: If we're so woeful, y'all need to apply. Honestly, instead of constantly saying how crap we are, which achieves nothing other than hurting our feelings, become mods and do it differently. I'm not saying that accusatorily. It's just the logical answer :hug:

I wasn't speaking about you GM, and I wasn't speaking about Hen. I was speaking about your superiors, namely Jim47, Tishri, and flaglady. And anyone else who holds the reins here. The buck stops with them, not you.

[NewGuy101]

Julio, iirc, you said at the time I supported you more than anyone. So, yes, I recall.

I also recall it wasn't as black and white as you're making out.

And Steve, while you may personally not be, many others are. So my advice to them is to step up and mod the place.
I didn't say you didn't and the case is more than clear. I was breaking an anti-biblical rule on another forum and was being forced to apologize for it.

[Nadiine]

I keep seeing "gti" in all these types of threads and reports... :scratch:

[Rep Daddy]

Maybe I am too aggressive for CC, but I am just trying to speak from experience with the IIDB crowd. Our stance against homosexuality and for the absolute authority of the Bible is not to be tolerated.

And gang 4U has become moderate to liberal post 7-7-7 and my guess if we are silent, LeeD will just allow the forum to slide down the current path.

[ContentInHim]

Ok, Nadiine - what's "gti". I am so internetedly unabled. :)

[Rep Daddy]

As I understand his post, he's saying we COULD play that game, not that we should.
I took it as a "we could get even, but we seek something else" sort of post.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

And I agree, we have to outsmart an oponent - but we can be sure that we HAVE THEM out there and it's becoming obvious what's going on here.

Ok, Nadiine - what's "gti". I am so internetedly unabled. :)

gti is a lurker atheist with 0 posts. Likely a sock

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[ContentInHim]

I disagree that you are too agressive. Actually your gadfly persona here at 4U wasn't strong enough. I much prefer your postings the last few days - strong, etc.

I don't believe that CC will be tolerated for what it is and there will always be someone in here stirring the pot until it erupts so that 4U can say, see how ill-tempered those conservatives are. When actually left to our own devices we are pussy cats (with claws :D ).

We should defend without attacking. We should bite our tongues until they have only doctrinal points to spite report or our rules or stuff they cannot possible win on. :)

[GreenMunchkin]

Maybe I am too aggressive for CC, but I am just trying to speak from experience with the IIDB crowd. Our stance against homosexuality and for the absolute authority of the Bible is not to be tolerated.CC isn't IIDB. It never ever will be. The less we have to do with that place the better. We have many members who are members there, and we also have many members who aren't. If IIDB wants to link to threads in CC, fair enough. Bit embarrassing for the people starting the threads there, but fair enough. But it doesn't give any of us the right to flame people. And I'm not saying that to you personally, cos you're not a flamer, but generally speaking. It seems like some members want free license to flame people, and that's not acceptable.

And gang 4U has become moderate to liberal post 7-7-7 and my guess if we are silent, LeeD will just allow the forum to slide down the current path.k... except Lee, to my knowledge, has never even been in CC. So all of this taking place here won't have any impact.

[ContentInHim]

LOL, :doh: thanks, Steve.

It's funny, but I saw Grizzly lurking earlier this afternoon. He's certainly more polite than most atheists. Actually I get along with them better than with liberal christians. :)

[nyj]

I am not advocating a high state of drama. I think cowering in the corner in fear that if we have a voice then we will be invaded by liberals is surrender and monasticism.No one said anything about cowering in the corner. I just get tired of people looking at the "Who's Reading This Thread" and calling out lurkers by name. I get tired of people quoting IIDB here. I get tired of people mentioning IIDB at all. I think you give them too much credit. I don't care what they think ... why should anyone else here?

I think we literally waste our time getting worked up over things that are silly. I'd like to see us refocus. The troublemakers are gone ... let's move on.

[Rep Daddy]

GM, the folks in the Elsewhere threads have for years used that forum to plan and organize their lobbying efforts to change CF into a forum that sets aside the Nicene Creed, and is gay accepting.

Ignore it if you wish, but it is a fact.

You think the attacks here were individual and spontaneous? Nah.

[Nadiine]

Ok, Nadiine - what's "gti". I am so internetedly unabled. :)
LOL you and me both!
I'm pretty savvy with some things, but I doubt I'll ever get the full hang of a busy forum. I know the basics & that's about it... even then I'm in so many threads, I get them all confused & sometimes don't even remember posting in them.

*head spins*

[nyj]

My only comment to the moderators here is: Not every reported post is going to have a violation. Do not be afraid of saying that there is no violation, and don't feel the need to reach a compromise because you think that if you sacrifice a few inches that it will quiet people down. It'll have just the opposite effect. If there is no violation, that's it. End. Of. Story. If those who would argue disagree ... too bad.

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, the folks in the Elsewhere threads have for years used that forum to plan and organize their lobbying efforts to change CF into a forum that sets aside the Nicene Creed, and is gay accepting.

Ignore it if you wish, but it is a fact.

You think the attacks here were individual and spontaneous? Nah.No, I understand that. I just think we abide in Christ, and IIDB has no say in that. By resorting to flames, we only harm ourselves. ~E~ is inconsequential unless we say otherwise.

My only comment to the moderators here is: Not every reported post is going to have a violation. Do not be afraid of saying that there is no violation, and don't feel the need to reach a compromise because you think that if you sacrifice a few inches that it will quiet people down. It'll have just the opposite effect. If there is no violation, that's it. End. Of. Story. If those who would argue disagree ... too bad.Absolutely. And the reverse is equally true. CC members aren't above rules violations, just like anyone else. If people don't want to be responsible for their own behaviour, that's on them. But they can't expect us to say it's not a violation out of loyalty. Well, they can and they do. But it won't happen.

[Nadiine]

You know, in looking at the amount of posts I've made (and many others here) the ratio is pretty darned good that I haven't had a ton of violations or reports.
That should account for something.
:holy: :D

[Criada]

Just wanted to say - have been on IIDB for a couple of weeks, and have seen nothing that looks like a planned attack on CC, 4U or anywhere else...
Some nastiness, but not the kind of agenda that is being suggested here - so where are people getting this idea from?
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places...

[Nadiine]

Just wanted to say - have been on IIDB for a couple of weeks, and have seen nothing that looks like a planned attack on CC, 4U or anywhere else...
Some nastiness, but not the kind of agenda that is being suggested here - so where are people getting this idea from?
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places...
There are private pm's and personal emails as well - I can't accuse what I don't know, but obviously there's something going on.
Not to worry tho, one day in heaven I'll be eating cheesecake & bon bon's under an umbrella at the beach with God's light surrounding me.

I could give a poop what's done here. Honestly, if we think this is bad, try being Paul & any of God's followers from the bible who endured REAL suffering with persecution.... and they didn't have uplifting sermons they could listen to on MP3 or Utube.

We have it POSH compared to their suffering & trials (pretty much). And I consider it all joy to be considered & attacked by God's enemies - it shows me I'm on the right side of the fencing. :clap: :clap: :clap:

HE REIGNS, Soli Deo Gloria.

[SolomonVII]

Working at changing rules and going the administrative route, is, imo, a waste of time.

The social climate here is not really set so much by the rules anyways, as it is by the posters bringing there message to the boards time and again.

If you don't go to the wiki, you don't really notice any rule changes, other than a few bells and whistles here and there that would have been added anyways.

Just the basic courtesies of refraining from foul language, no egregious name-calling, etc. and you can post almost anything here or there.
And heck, if enough people post threads on controversial subjects even in the wrong forum, after a while,, I've noticed, even those threads in that forum will begin to stick.
There will just never be enough moderators to keep us from doing what we are going to do anyways, as long as enough people are in on it.

It's a private forum anyways, and the final say will be most probably be as arbitrary in the future as it was in the past.
so any formal agenda is too easily snuffed out for all the work that it takes to get it formulated.
But yea, conservatives should work on putting out their agenda here.

And that agenda should be setting forth conservative ideals and values in as strong a manner as is allowed in the social mileiu that we have.

[SolomonVII]

Just wanted to say - have been on IIDB for a couple of weeks, and have seen nothing that looks like a planned attack on CC, 4U or anywhere else...
Some nastiness, but not the kind of agenda that is being suggested here - so where are people getting this idea from?
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places...

Nothing succeeds like success at getting the chatter down.
Two or three years of constant chatter there, and everything at CF changed, as far as rules go.

But really, nothing changed at all. as long as the culture of CF is decided by the people who post here more than by th erules,all the chatter in the world was just so much hot air anyways.

[Auntie]

Absolutely. And the reverse is equally true. CC members aren't above rules violations, just like anyone else. If people don't want to be responsible for their own behaviour, that's on them. But they can't expect us to say it's not a violation out of loyalty. Well, they can and they do. But it won't happen.

GM, you really don't get it. I have read many posts here by CC members that could be construed as a violation. But did I report them? Of course not. And why? Because I understood they were frustrated. Or having a bad night. Or whatever.

Yet the libs come in, report the most asinine things, and a good CC member gets ruled a Violation and receives a strike.

If you can't see this, then there is no hope for the CC Forum. Sorry, but that's the truth.:(

[Auntie]

I see the IIDB gang is here again.

Hi Y'all! :wave:

[Nadiine]

:ebil:

[SolomonVII]

I see the IIDB gang is here again.

Hi Y'all! :wave:

:pink:

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, you really don't get it. I have read many posts here by CC members that could be construed as a violation. But did I report them? Of course not. And why? Because I understood they were frustrated. Or having a bad night. Or whatever.

Yet the libs come in, report the most asinine things, and a good CC member gets ruled a Violation and receives a strike.

If you can't see this, then there is no hope for the CC Forum. Sorry, but that's the truth.:(Auntie, love, if a post isn't a violation, it'll be ruled nv. And happily. Most are, in fact. Have a look at how many CC reports on CC members there are, and then look at how many have actually be ruled as violations. But that's because they genuinely weren't violations. When a post *does* break a rule, we say so.

This is what I mean. It's up to us not to give anyone anything to report. Goodness knows we all do it. Am as flamey as the next person. But I'll own my words and accept my lumps or actively try to dial it back.

We all need to do that so we're not giving anyone any ammo. And if you see violations and you don't want to report them, that's lovely, cos it fosters peace. But when posts *are* reported, we have to work them fairly. Biased modding indicates a lack of integrity, and that's not what CC stands for.

[Time2BCounted]

HALLELUIAH
GOD IS
CONSERVATIVE!!!

:thumbsup:

Sry I'm biased :D

[D'Ann]

Okay... I voted yes... but it is a tricky yes. Why? Because I don't like being an activist nor do I like politics. I do believe though that it does get to a point that it is time that we make a stand of faith for Jesus. For Jesus, we take a stand and take the persecution that goes with that stand... now, the question is this... is it at that point, is it necessary? Here at this site, I do see that there is a need for us to take a stand...

Now...how to take that stand. Each one of us are different and we all have different callings. I'm no good at arguing and debating... or apologetics... but I can help with praying and in a positive and loving way.. I can give encouragement...

So... I'm not sure.. and I don't want to have an agenda of politics... or becoming an activist... or get caught up with a bunch of legalism.. that being said.. obviously, if we don't take a stand for Jesus, we will be sinning and souls will be lost and so.. with all of my heart, soul, mind and strength and being.. I will take a stand for Christ.

[Time2BCounted]

Okay... I voted yes... but it is a tricky yes. Why? Because I don't like being an activist nor do I like politics. I do believe though that it does get to a point that it is time that we make a stand of faith for Jesus. For Jesus, we take a stand and take the persecution that goes with that stand... now, the question is this... is it at that point, is it necessary? Here at this site, I do see that there is a need for us to take a stand...

Now...how to take that stand. Each one of us are different and we all have different callings. I'm no good at arguing and debating... or apologetics... but I can help with praying and in a positive and loving way.. I can give encouragement...

So... I'm not sure.. and I don't want to have an agenda of politics... or becoming an activist... or get caught up with a bunch of legalism.. that being said.. obviously, if we don't take a stand for Jesus, we will be sinning and souls will be lost and so.. with all of my heart, soul, mind and strength and being.. I will take a stand for Christ.
Amen And i agree completely. We all have differant callings and differant stands to make, but this is just part of filling in the gap. When we stand outside of our calling there IS a gap that we were intended to fill. As each person stands in their place, there remains no gap. The teachers teach, the preachers preach, the prophets prophesy, the debaters debate, the politicers politic, the prayers pray, the helpers help and we all stand together

[Rep Daddy]

Gadflies nip

[D'Ann]

I think I do okay with teaching, but not when it comes to theology. So, I'll pray and pray and pray and give words of hope, faith and love and encouragement. If God leads me to help in another way, I'll do whatever He wants and go where ever He leads. I love this thread.

[IamRedeemed]

:amen::thumbsup:

Amen And i agree completely. We all have differant callings and differant stands to make, but this is just part of filling in the gap. When we stand outside of our calling there IS a gap that we were intended to fill. As each person stands in their place, there remains no gap. The teachers teach, the preachers preach, the prophets prophesy, the debaters debate, the politicers politic, the prayers pray, the helpers help and we all stand together

[Time2BCounted]

Doc, you are a nipper lolol

D'Ann let me tell ya what sister. I truly mean this. I pray and i try to constantly search myself, but i fall woefully short following other calling. Keep me in your prayers if you can, i need them, and i appreciate it. There are many things i am searching

[D'Ann]

Doc, you are a nipper lolol

D'Ann let me tell ya what sister. I truly mean this. I pray and i try to constantly search myself, but i fall woefully short following other calling. Keep me in your prayers if you can, i need them, and i appreciate it. There are many things i am searching

:hug: :crossrc: I'm sure as you seek, Christ will lead. When you ask, Christ will answer.. and when you knock, Christ will open the door... sometimes though, it takes a bit of time. HUGS

Pray for me too... in some ways, we all are searching... learning and growing and this is a good thing. May Jesus continue to lead you and guide you and give you direction.

[Time2BCounted]

Thank you D'Ann i appreciate that. As often as you think of me pray for me if you can.

God is good Amen :D

[D'Ann]

Thank you D'Ann i appreciate that. As often as you think of me pray for me if you can.

God is good Amen :D

:hug: :crossrc: :amen:

[Father Rick]

No one said anything about cowering in the corner. I just get tired of people looking at the "Who's Reading This Thread" and calling out lurkers by name. I get tired of people quoting IIDB here. I get tired of people mentioning IIDB at all. I think you give them too much credit. I don't care what they think ... why should anyone else here?

I think we literally waste our time getting worked up over things that are silly. I'd like to see us refocus. The troublemakers are gone ... let's move on.

GM, the folks in the Elsewhere threads have for years used that forum to plan and organize their lobbying efforts to change CF into a forum that sets aside the Nicene Creed, and is gay accepting.

Ignore it if you wish, but it is a fact.

You think the attacks here were individual and spontaneous? Nah.

Just wanted to say - have been on IIDB for a couple of weeks, and have seen nothing that looks like a planned attack on CC, 4U or anywhere else...
Some nastiness, but not the kind of agenda that is being suggested here - so where are people getting this idea from?
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places...I find it highly ironic that these kinds of statements are made...

When there are CCC members who take great pride (and repeatedly boast) in how conservative they are and who other members laud as examples of conservativism they are who then go to IIDB and a) criticize CF, b) flame CF (and even other CC) members and c) post confidential info from CF.

So all these discussions of what "the Liberals" are doing-- well it applies equally to the Conservatives here as well.

[Rep Daddy]

I find it highly ironic that these kinds of statements are made...

When there are CCC members who take great pride (and repeatedly boast) in how conservative and who other members laud as examples of conservativism they are who then go to IIDB and a) criticize CF, b) flame CF (and even other CC) members and c) post confidential info from CF.

So all these discussions of what "the Liberals" are doing-- well it applies equally to the Conservatives here as well.

The moderate forum is calling you.

[nyj]

LOL, Rick ... you're a hoot. I don't ever recall myself boasting about how conservative I am. And yes, I've been critical of CF (especially after the reforms) but the thing is ... I was critical (and quite vocal) of it here as well as other places. And I have never broken confidentiality. Though, I suppose I won't be seeing a retraction from you.

[NewGuy101]

The moderate forum is calling you.
*smells a liberal* :ebil:

[Father Rick]

LOL, Rick ... you're a hoot. I don't ever recall myself boasting about how conservative I am. And yes, I've been critical of CF (especially after the reforms) but the thing is ... I was critical (and quite vocal) of it here as well as other places. And I have never broken confidentiality. Though, I suppose I won't be seeing a retraction from you.
I wasn't referring to you specifically...

I was just commenting on the fact that for some reason everyone seems to notice it when "the Liberals" are doing something-- but are quick to turn a blind eye when "a conservative" is engaging in exactly the same behavior.

[JPPT1974]

I think that they should but you
Know how they can stray
If you ask me and change their minds
Going back on their words.

[nyj]

I wasn't referring to you specifically...YOU QUOTED ME! And then went on to allude that I a) criticize CF, b) flame CF members and c) post confidential info from CF.

/me searches for the turnip truck Rick thinks he just fell off of.

[D'Ann]

I wasn't referring to you specifically...

I was just commenting on the fact that for some reason everyone seems to notice it when "the Liberals" are doing something-- but are quick to turn a blind eye when "a conservative" is engaging in exactly the same behavior.

Rick... you don't belong here, so why are you here? Sorry to be rude, but this is for the Conservatives to discuss things...

Whatever is discussed on whatever other site... well, who cares... we are here on this site trying to discuss whatever. Go to the WWMC.

[Father Rick]

YOU QUOTED ME! And then went on to allude that I a) criticize CF, b) flame CF members and c) post confidential info from CF.

/me searches for the turnip truck Rick thinks he just fell off of.
Go back and re-read my post...

I quoted several people who were all saying similar things at once.

If I was speaking about you specifically posting over at IIDB, etc., I would have addressed it to you specifically.

My statement was that I find it ironic you (and the others I quoted) say what you do about "the liberals" when there are CC members doing exactly the same thing.

[D'Ann]

Go back and re-read my post...

I quoted several people who were all saying similar things at once.

If I was speaking about you specifically posting over at IIDB, etc., I would have addressed it to you specifically.

My statement was that I find it ironic you (and the others I quoted) say what you do about "the liberals" when there are CC members doing exactly the same thing.

Whatever... go away. We don't need the gossip here. Thanks.

[Father Rick]

Rick... you don't belong here, so why are you here? Sorry to be rude, but this is for the Conservatives to discuss things...

Whatever is discussed on whatever other site... well, who cares... we are here on this site trying to discuss whatever. Go to the WWMC.
Excuse me... but you are being rude.

I hold to every single point of the CC SoF. I belong here just as much as you do.

[Father Rick]

Whatever... go away. We don't need the gossip here. Thanks.
I wasn't gossipping...

And I would appreciate it if you cease such false accusations.

[D'Ann]

Excuse me... but you are being rude.

I hold to every single point of the CC SoF. I belong here just as much as you do.

Whatever. Sorry, but you are a member of the WWMC, so how can you be a member of this forum? Or am I mistaken. If so, please accept my apologies and forgive me... but honestly Father Rick, from the posts that you have made... it doesn't seem like you are conservative.

[D'Ann]

I wasn't gossipping...

And I would appreciate it if you cease such false accusations.

Then stop bringing up stuff that is said on other forums. Thanks.

[NewGuy101]

I wasn't gossipping...

And I would appreciate it if you cease such false accusations.
Rick your stance in the unification of CC has been quiet obvious.

. :D

[JPPT1974]

Whatever... go away. We don't need the gossip here. Thanks.

Thank you but no thank you!:thumbsup:

[Father Rick]

Whatever. Sorry, but you are a member of the WWMC, so how can you be a member of this forum? Or am I mistaken. If so, please accept my apologies and forgive me... but honestly Father Rick, from the posts that you have made... it doesn't seem like you are conservative.
Uhh... I don't think I've ever even posted in WWMC, let alone be a member.

And on what posts here have you decided I'm not a conservative? Just because I think it's wrong to accuse others of doing the same thing that CC members are doing? All I've said is that if we're going to address concerns about someone else's beliefs/practices then we need to address the actual issues-- and not just throw around irrelevant accusations (especially of things one is equally guilty of).

[Father Rick]

Then stop bringing up stuff that is said on other forums. Thanks.
I'm not the one who brought it up... I just responded to posts by 3 different posters who had brought the issues up.

Did you read my post?

[Father Rick]

Rick your stance in the unification of CC has been quiet obvious.

. :D
I've never made any statements one way or the other...

And I've never even hinted at what I think about the unification, or lack there of, of the various forums.

So any opinion you may have formed as to "my stance" is without ANY foundation whatsoever.

[D'Ann]

Uhh... I don't think I've ever even posted in WWMC, let alone be a member.

And on what posts here have you decided I'm not a conservative? Just because I think it's wrong to accuse others of doing the same thing that CC members are doing? All I've said is that if we're going to address concerns about someone else's beliefs/practices then we need to address the actual issues-- and not just throw around irrelevant accusations (especially of things one is equally guilty of).

Okay. :hug: I can't remember or pinpoint it because I'm a bit tired at the moment. I just thought that you were liberal because you seemed to be active in the WWMC. I could be mistaken and if so, I apologize.

Didn't you post in the WWMC some time ago? I seem to remember a bunch of reports on your posts awhile back, but it's been a while and maybe my memory is wrong.

[NewGuy101]

I've never made any statements one way or the other...

And I've never even hinted at what I think about the unification, or lack there of, of the various forums.

So any opinion you may have formed as to "my stance" is without ANY foundation whatsoever.
So your attack on members of this forum mean nothing right? My "assumptions" are unjustified.

[Father Rick]

Okay. :hug: I can't remember or pinpoint it because I'm a bit tired at the moment. I just thought that you were liberal because you seemed to be active in the WWMC. I could be mistaken and if so, I apologize.

Didn't you post in the WWMC some time ago? I seem to remember a bunch of reports on your posts awhile back, but it's been a while and maybe my memory is wrong.
Nope... not from WWMC.

As I said, I don't think I've ever posted there. I may have at some time over the past 3 years or so since I've been here, but if so it was a very rare thing--maybe some particular topic that caught my attention... and if I did so, it was so long ago I don't remember.

[GreenMunchkin]

Dial it back, please.

We should be celebrating! :clap:

[Father Rick]

So your attack on members of this forum mean nothing right? My "assumptions" are unjustified.
First... I haven't "attacked" any members of CCC. While I have addressed specific ACTIONS of different posters, with the exception of the dispute with T2BC (who I felt-- and still feel-- was deceitful in his actions) you will find that rarely do I address someone personally, but only speak to their posts/actions.

And if someone's behavior is wrong, it doesn't matter to me if they are conservative, liberal, or a little green man from Mars-- their behavior is wrong.

[GreenMunchkin]

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