I am so tired of all of this

[Lisa0315]

I am so tired of all of this. We are all so label conscious, me first and me last. Shouldn't we be more concerned about what we are doing to the label of Christian? :(

Lisa

[FriendsFellowship]

I'm tired of debating every single thing under the sun! :)

[Criada]

I am so tired of all of this. We are all so label conscious, me first and me last. Shouldn't we be more concerned about what we are doing to the label of Christian? :(

Lisa
:hug: :hug:

[Hentenza]

Ok guys this thread is going to remain open PROVIDED that posts do not get personal.

[Time2BCounted]

I am so tired of all of this. We are all so label conscious, me first and me last. Shouldn't we be more concerned about what we are doing to the label of Christian? :(

Lisa



sis
If you dont mind an opinion in love hoping for peace

I believe one reason Steve is a lil upset is that we DO have forums set up for differant agendas and beliefs and in the opinion of some here at CC, there are just a few are kicking about the fact it IS conservative and want to be more 'inclusive'.

I personally dont mind the fact there is a moderate forum, but moderates arent the same as conservatives. There are liberal forums we know dont mesh. Baptists have a forum and they are all baptist.

Everyone here in every forum has an agenda which is fine... nothing wrong with that and frankly i expect the lib to have a liberal agenda and the moderate to have a moderate agenda, but it seems the conservatives here just arent allowed to work on conservative agendas in a safe unharrassed environment.

I believe there are some hard core conservatives here, myself included, who have been frustrated and there have been attempts to silence us or stop our agendas in ways other than wiki discussion, but rather a full fledged 'join CC and stopem' kind of fashion. It is frustrating to try to work on conservative issues and conservative discussions and studies and not be able to.

There have been a few just villifying some who desire CC to be what it was intended. Its nothing personal against anyone, CC is just not conservative nor does it allow one to speak out on conservative issues or try to work on conservative agendas.

It seems the conservative voice is the only ones being silenced.

Just my opinion, i hope it may help in understanding why some are aggravated

[Rep Daddy]

:thumbsup:

[Auntie]

I am so tired of all of this. We are all so label conscious, me first and me last. Shouldn't we be more concerned about what we are doing to the label of Christian? :(

Lisa


(((((((Lisa)))))))

There are many here who wish to destroy Christianity as we know it.

Many here who wish to redefine what it means to follow Christ.

Many here who wish to call Christ's Commandments "suggestions".

Read Protinus in the announcement thread.

[Annabel Lee]

I am so tired of all of this. We are all so label conscious, me first and me last. Shouldn't we be more concerned about what we are doing to the label of Christian? :(

Lisa

This is one good reason why I never signed up as a member of any forum.
Except for TAW, but even there I didn't have to sign or prove anything. They know who I am.

[Rep Daddy]

This is one good reason why I never signed up as a member of any forum.
Except for TAW, but even there I didn't have to sign or prove anything. They know who I am.

Hey Annybel, start a forum and I'll join it.

[Lisa0315]

sis
If you dont mind an opinion in love hoping for peace

I believe one reason Steve is a lil upset is that we DO have forums set up for differant agendas and beliefs and in the opinion of some here at CC, there are just a few are kicking about the fact it IS conservative and want to be more 'inclusive'.

I personally dont mind the fact there is a moderate forum, but moderates arent the same as conservatives. There are liberal forums we know dont mesh. Baptists have a forum and they are all baptist.

Everyone here in every forum has an agenda which is fine... nothing wrong with that and frankly i expect the lib to have a liberal agenda and the moderate to have a moderate agenda, but it seems the conservatives here just arent allowed to work on conservative agendas in a safe unharrassed environment.

I believe there are some hard core conservatives here, myself included, who have been frustrated and there have been attempts to silence us or stop our agendas in ways other than wiki discussion, but rather a full fledged 'join CC and stopem' kind of fashion. It is frustrating to try to work on conservative issues and conservative discussions and studies and not be able to.

There have been a few just villifying some who desire CC to be what it was intended. Its nothing personal against anyone, CC is just not conservative nor does it allow one to speak out on conservative issues or try to work on conservative agendas.

It seems the conservative voice is the only ones being silenced.

Just my opinion, i hope it may help in understanding why some are aggravated

Well, that is true. Tell me, does the Fundamentalist forum have the problems we have? I do not mean this as a slam. I know with my history, my mere mention of that word is going to raise eyebrows. What I am asking, though, do Liberal seek to unify with Fundamentalists? Are we projecting something here (like my love doctrine) that causes Liberals to come in and think it is okay?

Lisa

[Auntie]

Okay, here's a link:


I only follow our Lord in that we must follow His suggestions in our spiritual life.


http://foru.ms/t6323520-hi.html

[Latreia]

:idea:

Brilliant idea for quilification to be a member of CCC. You must feel comfortable here, you must be happy being with other members here, and you must really enjoy being a member here.

Because if you don't feel all of those things, maybe you would feel more comfortable, happier and enjoy not being a member of CCC?

That way the member can see that not to be a member participating here is better?
There are just so many different kind of other places, why be miserable here?

I love being a conservative Christian around other conservative Christians.

Ergo......

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Auntie]

The liberals think Christ's commandments are merely "suggestions". This is the dividing factor, is it not.

[Rep Daddy]

Feet planted here, there
bilocational quandry
Beam me up Scotty.

[Voegelin]

(((((((Lisa)))))))
There are many here who wish to destroy Christianity as we know it.Many here who wish to redefine what it means to follow Christ.Many here who wish to call Christ's Commandments "suggestions".Read Protinus in the announcement thread.

Read what he and others say elsewhere as well. No need to read between the lines and wonder if you got it right.

[Lisa0315]

The liberals think Christ's commandments are merely "suggestions". This is the dividing factor, is it not.

Absolutely! I am apalled at some of the things I have read. I got into it once because they were making fun of people who use Scripture as an argument. I was just like :eek: .

What I want to know though, are we doing something that is causing the Libbies to come here? Are we encouraging them somehow. (Pointing finger at self) Have I gone too far in being welcoming and loving or are they simply taking advantage of a right attitude?

Lisa

[BelindaP]

I can tell you why, but I'll get flamed out of the forum again. :sigh:

[Rep Daddy]

Home invasion

[BelindaP]

There are things that invite home invasion. I believe that is what Lisa is trying to find out.

As a 'liberal' who was attracted to this forum, I might know a thing or two. Sadly, I don't think people are willing to face up to the real reasons the liberals (and even the less liberals) keep coming.

[NewGuy101]

There is many in this website who call themselves Christian who are not. I don't see the degrees that change any of that...that's relativism at its worst.

[Lisa0315]

There are things that invite home invasion. I believe that is what Lisa is trying to find out.

As a 'liberal' who was attracted to this forum, I might know a thing or two. Sadly, I don't think people are willing to face up to the real reasons the liberals (and even the less liberals) keep coming.

B? <cough cough> Nuff said?

Be nice and go home.

Lisa

[BelindaP]

Sorry, Lisa. I wasn't trying to stir trouble. I'll go now.

[Auntie]

Absolutely! I am apalled at some of the things I have read. I got into it once because they were making fun of people who use Scripture as an argument. I was just like :eek: .

What I want to know though, are we doing something that is causing the Libbies to come here? Are we encouraging them somehow. (Pointing finger at self) Have I gone too far in being welcoming and loving or are they simply taking advantage of a right attitude?

Lisa


Sweety, dear sweet one, they wish to destroy us. That's all you need to know. That's all any of us need to know.

Yes, we have been kind. Yes, we have been inviting. But we have to know when to protect the sheep. When to fight off the wolves.

[NewGuy101]

Sweety, dear sweet one, they wish to destroy us. That's all you need to know. That's all any of us need to know.

Yes, we have been kind. Yes, we have been inviting. But we have to know when to protect the sheep. When to fight off the wolves.
:amen:

[Latreia]

There are things that invite home invasion. I believe that is what Lisa is trying to find out.

As a 'liberal' who was attracted to this forum, I might know a thing or two. Sadly, I don't think people are willing to face up to the real reasons the liberals (and even the less liberals) keep coming.

Because it either has to all be for their approval or remove it?

Because they understand moral imperatives replace all the Bible myths?

Because it is their ethical duty to eradicate all the "Christians" that they label as bigots and hypocrites, according to their agenda?

Megalomania?

Those are just my impressions from being so familiar with all their hatred that I have seen when they "let their hair down".


:sigh:

[Lisa0315]

Sweety, dear sweet one, they wish to destroy us. That's all you need to know. That's all any of us need to know.

Yes, we have been kind. Yes, we have been inviting. But we have to know when to protect the sheep. When to fight off the wolves.

I admit that I have never encountered Liberals before coming here. I live in the Bible Belt. I know they are here in real life too but I never knew it until I came to CF. Why do they want to destroy us? What did we ever do to them? I am not talking about here on CF, but in real life?

Lisa

[NewGuy101]

I admit that I have never encountered Liberals before coming here. I live in the Bible Belt. I know they are here in real life too but I never knew it until I came to CF. Why do they want to destroy us? What did we ever do to them? I am not talking about here on CF, but in real life?

Lisa
Their world view is intrinsically opposite to ours. Our beliefs present moral absolutes which are set up within a biblical framework theirs challenges that frame work and the very concept of God we hold. It's not by our actions but about who we are.

[Nadiine]

There are things that invite home invasion. I believe that is what Lisa is trying to find out.

As a 'liberal' who was attracted to this forum, I might know a thing or two. Sadly, I don't think people are willing to face up to the real reasons the liberals (and even the less liberals) keep coming.
You can SAY that Belinda, but I read your posts and who you sided with and who you "corrected" at every turn.
It didn't look like what you're claiming; but rather to teach and guide us in how we should be more tolerant and understanding of harrassements by other people and supported them in it.

If your posts coincided with your comment here, I'd believe what you're saying a little more.

[Time2BCounted]

Well, that is true. Tell me, does the Fundamentalist forum have the problems we have? I do not mean this as a slam. I know with my history, my mere mention of that word is going to raise eyebrows. What I am asking, though, do Liberal seek to unify with Fundamentalists? Are we projecting something here (like my love doctrine) that causes Liberals to come in and think it is okay?

Lisa
Lisa

sis i dont think its the love thing at all. Its much deeper than that. Love is a good thing, but love doesnt mean giving up the conservatism of our forum, or allowing ourselves to be emotionally blackmailed into thinking we shouldnt work on our agendas when everyone else is working on theirs and honestly i believe i see a lot of that from just a loud few who get the attention.

Please let me just be honest and understand i dont say this in bitterness or anger at all, just straight and honest. We have literally been infiltrated by a very loud and bitter few, and by a few who cry every time someone tries to do something conservative here.

When we were working on a definition for instance, there was a place in wiki to debate it, but we werent even allowed to work on it in our own forum. We hear love all the time, and its not a matter of us not loving... theres no one here i dont care for, and i am sure Steve is the same, as is NewGuy and Nadiine and IamRedeemed and so many more. We love everyone here but we arent gatting this back from some of our own members, some of which joined specificly to stop us, and it was just allowed.

The conservative is villified by those who are here opposing the conservatives, and some of the weaker conservatives have allowed it and even some have jumped on the bandwagon with those who are villifying us.

I just want to see CC become what it should be and have peace among us all here, and i think thats what all conservatives here want for the most part


God bless

[Auntie]

There are things that invite home invasion. I believe that is what Lisa is trying to find out.

As a 'liberal' who was attracted to this forum, I might know a thing or two. Sadly, I don't think people are willing to face up to the real reasons the liberals (and even the less liberals) keep coming.


You are not a member here. Please limit your posts to fellowship posts only please. Thanks.

[Rep Daddy]

Lisa Read J Gresham Machen

Christianity and Liberalism (http://www.biblebelievers.com/machen/index.html) written in 1923

[Latreia]

Lisa, don't you post on Elsewhere? They explain it all the time why.



:scratch:

[NewGuy101]

Lisa Read J Gresham Machen

Christianity and Liberalism (http://www.biblebelievers.com/machen/index.html) written in 1923
ahh I see another baby of old Princeton and the great founder of Westeminister

[Rep Daddy]

ahh I see another baby of old Princeton and the great founder of Westeminister

I did my PhD at Westminster.

[Lisa0315]

Well, I guess, it is like I have come full circle.

My uncle, the pastor, went to a pro-family rally in Raleigh. There were over 10,000 people there. A few showed up to boo and hiss but I just thought they were athiests. I always thought people were exaggerating when they talked about the Liberal Agenda, or I thought it was more of a political thing.

So, you are saying that in real life, Liberal churches are trying to silence Conservative Evangelical or Orthodox Churches?

What methods do they use? I am not playing devils advocate here. I almost feel like this line of questioning may seem suspect. I am sincerely ignorant of these agendas except on this board. I just thought this was something that went on at CF not in real life. I thought I was so jaded from it, but apparantly, I am a bit backwards.

Y'all are seriously telling me that the Liberal Agenda is about shutting down Conservative Churches? It really is happening. The world is apostate?

How can anyone not believe that the end is here then? I mean, seriously, this is the end, or at least the beginning of it.

I am sitting here in complete horror.

Lisa

[Annabel Lee]

You are not a member here. Please limit your posts to fellowship posts only please. Thanks.

What happened to you, Auntie?

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, don't you post on Elsewhere? They explain it all the time why.



:scratch:

I did for a few days, maybe, a week, but it got so bad that I removed my link from the place. I saw many people mocking Christians and especially this forum. I did not see a Liberal Agenda, but then, I am wondering just how blind I have been.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Lisa Read J Gresham Machen

Christianity and Liberalism (http://www.biblebelievers.com/machen/index.html) written in 1923

Thanks for the tip. I will definitely give it a read.

Lisa

[Rep Daddy]

I did for a few days, maybe, a week, but it got so bad that I removed my link from the place. I saw many people mocking Christians and especially this forum. I did not see a Liberal Agenda, but then, I am wondering just how blind I have been.

Lisa

http://www.arrod.co.uk/images/blue-pill1.jpghttp://www.arrod.co.uk/images/red-pill1.jpg

Take the red pill.

[Lisa0315]

See, for example, and Simon, I am not picking on you buddy. This is just an example.

Tonight, Simon said that Matthew Henry was "modern" and disagreed with a commentary that I posted. So, when I hear y'all talk about Liberals, I thought it was...I don't know the right word. A misunderstanding???

He explained why even Matthew Henry was modern, but I am using that as an example of how I kind of ignore all the talk about Liberal agendas.

Lisa

[Auntie]

I admit that I have never encountered Liberals before coming here. I live in the Bible Belt. I know they are here in real life too but I never knew it until I came to CF. Why do they want to destroy us? What did we ever do to them? I am not talking about here on CF, but in real life?

Lisa


Simply said, because they hate the truth. And I am also speaking about RL peeps. People who I love, in RL. Family members. It hits close to home. Their desire is to silence us. Their desire is to "reinvent" the Gospel, and make it say something that Jesus had no intention of saying. Taking the words of Christ, and misconstruing them to say whatever fits their agenda.

[Lisa0315]

Well, I am going to take some time to absorb all of this. I need to pray on this. I feel like I was just struck my lightning. Maybe, it is this place, not CCC, but the whole danged forum. I don't even know if I want to ever post again. Not y'all, but the idea of people having agendas just makes me sick to my stomach. I feel spiritually raped and I do not know up from down right now.

I mean if the Libbies have agendas, and the Moderates have agendas, and WE have agendas, then, what Christian DOESN'T have an agenda.

I thought we were just trying to serve God. My question is what is God's agenda?

Lisa

[Nadiine]

I don't divide from the lost - I'm not called to "not sit with sinners". I keep my non-Christian friends and feel no guilt and I know there's nothing wrong with that. I love them dearly.

Those claiming Christianity yet preaching another gospel than that which I'm taught?
I divide it there. Biblically, God tells us to for a reason.

How does it look to the weak Christian when we sit & chat with them as "buddies" yet warn them, "don't learn from them"???
If we make them our friends, then we also teach that they aren't any danger either.

How does it look to new Christians, the weak? I think it sets a contradictory message.

[Latreia]

Auntie, the strongest impression that I get from the liberals and at Elsewhere is their incredible egotism, that they are neve wrong.

The most important goal in their lives is to be certain that they do anything they want and never be criticized.. They remind me of adolescents, teen-agers that become almost psycopathic in their anger and bitterness at all authoritative figures.

Regardless of what their parents do for them, they cannot bear to be corrected in any way.

Therefore, the world must agree to life completely on their terms.

They feel entitled to be free and express a kind of eternal rebellion against anything that might interfere with their choices of pleasure.

They have neither the gratitude nor the comprehension to appreciate the spirit of Christianity, i.e. acknowleging the power of God over their own will.

They will not submit to the teaching of Jesus, except to the extent that they find ways to justify their defiance of common decency and courtesy.

Those were my observations. Their personal convictions must always triumph over the faith and submission to be a Christian.

So they merely take on the label of being Christian in their own ways, resentful of anyone suggesting they might be in error.
They like to think that if Jesus were in the modern world, he would be hanging out with real people, like a motorcycle gang.

Sometimes, they seem so irrational and prejudiced and convinced they cannot ever be wrong, that it is just plain scary.


:swoon:

[Nadiine]

Well, I am going to take some time to absorb all of this. I need to pray on this. I feel like I was just struck my lightning. Maybe, it is this place, not CCC, but the whole danged forum. I don't even know if I want to ever post again. Not y'all, but the idea of people having agendas just makes me sick to my stomach. I feel spiritually raped and I do not know up from down right now.

I mean if the Libbies have agendas, and the Moderates have agendas, and WE have agendas, then, what Christian DOESN'T have an agenda.

I thought we were just trying to serve God. My question is what is God's agenda?

Lisa
Understandable Lisa... I've just seen where this all leads & it turns into a slippery slope.

Get into the scriptures yourself & do some word study on false teachers or wolves, rebuke, enemies/enemy, false prophets, there's some interesting Proverbs on "love"... the bible has lots to say on this.

Be open to hearing Him. I hope you don't leave or stay away too long but I understand needing time.:hug:

[Nadiine]

Auntie, the strongest impression that I get from the liberals and at Elsewhere is their incredible egotism, that they are neve wrong.

But there's a reason for that, 'if truth is relative/subjective, then you're always right'. :idea:

[nyj]

There are things that invite home invasion. This is the: I am not responsible for the things I post. defense. Because as we all know, we're "asking for it" here in CC.

[tulc]

tulc enters quietly puts a big pot of coffee down and a couple of baskets of cookies, then exits

[Rep Daddy]

~E~ must have posted a link. :D

buzz says hi!

[nyj]

Yup.Imagine that! :)

If some people didn't add to the drama (by kvetching and posting links), the drama might not persist as much as it does.

[Rep Daddy]

~E is home of the Thespians

[Letalis]

If it's not one thing..

[Nadiine]

Imagine that! :)

If some people didn't add to the drama (by kvetching and posting links), the drama might not persist as much as it does.
It goes to show you how much people are drawn to the negative. They seem to thrive on it with glee.

Something's gotta be wrong with people who enjoy lurking to read other people's issues or troubles. It says more about THEM than us who are having the issues.

As if they may feel they're much better than us by not having the turmoil, actually it's quite the opposite imho.
:scratch:

[Hentenza]

In Texas we call this rubbernecking.:cool:

[Nadiine]

In Texas we call this rubbernecking.:cool:
ROFL, I think Thesselonians calls it "busybodies" ???

[tulc]

~E is home of the Thespians

shhhh you'll get this thread kicked over to DOH, and Lord knows we don't need more drama over there! :sorry:
tulc(picks up spilled cups, wipes off counters, refills cooky baskets makes more coffee) :)

[Nadiine]

so anyhoooooooooooo :holy:

[Time2BCounted]

Staff edit

[nyj]

Yah, I think this thread has run it's course.

[Hentenza]

I feel like we are in the OK corral waiting for the shooting to start.;)

[longhair75]

I just stopped by because I was intrigued by the thread title as the newest post post in the Congregational forum.

Lots of interesting discussions can be read by clicking on that link....

[Nadiine]

I feel like we are in the OK corral waiting for the shooting to start.;)
ROFLLLLLLLLLLLL
You are cracking me up lately.

*hands Hen some chips & salsa...*
waits for round 2

[Rep Daddy]

Thespians galore
Hot links, irresistible
Viva la agenda

[Nadiine]

is this what roadkill is like?

[GreenMunchkin]

Closed for staff review and clean up.