Sexuality forums

[spirituality]

I just came from the sexuality forum and was overwhelmed with the outragous amount of threads on homosexuality... I dont know about you but personbally im fed up with the constand subject and questions being discussed in a multitude of threads in the sexuality forum. Is one or 2 threads not enough to discuss whether it is sinful or not and whatever else you talk aobut? Geez, the whole thing is infested with the SAME topic...the SAME THING. Why? I think we should have a sexuality forum and a homosexuality forum since people are so keen on ceating a thousand threads on the same topic. This way we can actually discuss sexuality in that forum rather than being bombarded with HOMOsexuality and those hat want to discuss homosexuality can do so where the other threads are.

This is insane there is ALWAYS at least one thread in the new posts list on homosexuality... I think that warrants a forum for itself...

[Inspired]

I just came from the sexuality forum and was overwhelmed with the outragous amount of threads on homosexuality... I dont know about you but personbally im fed up with the constand subject and questions being discussed in a multitude of threads in the sexuality forum. Is one or 2 threads not enough to discuss whether it is sinful or not and whatever else you talk aobut? Geez, the whole thing is infested with the SAME topic...the SAME THING. Why? I think we should have a sexuality forum and a homosexuality forum since people are so keen on ceating a thousand threads on the same topic. This way we can actually discuss sexuality in that forum rather than being bombarded with HOMOsexuality...arrgh.


That Idea was brought up before by Heather I believe, and several of us agreed.
We also expressed concern about the number of threads on poster can start in one day, and the post and run spamming.

For now, I just wade through them report the duplicate posts I see, the mods are doing their best.

[spirituality]

but hting is that they arent duplicate posts but they are the same topic....you know what I mean? Like "is it right or wrong?" "Is it sinful?" "Why is it sinful" "Show me bible passages on homosexuality".....it is never ending...

[Erwin]

I don't think we should have a separate "Homosexuality" forum. I agree that the homsexuality threads keep repeating.

The staff have been discussing ways to manage this. One idea is to have only a select few threads relating to homosexuality, and merging all other threads to these threads, and not allowing new threads on homosexuality to be created.

We are still trying to find the best option.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

Possibly each pro-gay and each anti-gay poster could be limited to starting one thread per day...or week...or month. I used to go to another website ( Weavered.com ) which is a fan site for Laura Innes who plays Dr. Kerry weaver on ER---the people there (moderators and administrator, and her grandson who was the techie) HATED people starting new threads because it pushed old threads down. I quit going there because at first they'd just have a cow if people started a new thread, then, they took away the registered users' ability to do so. I don't like long threads---too much prereading to do, though sometimes I've cheated and just read the initial post and the last page.

I don't know what's best. Maybe having a moderator on that forum start the threads---someone who wanted to start someone could PM the moderator and the mod could start it from the PM, or say, no, I won't do it and this is why...

On another secular forum some have made a similar complaint. I've often suggested a moratorium on the topic, but the other side refuses to agree to that.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

FWIW it appears that forum is always about 80-90% gay threads, and about 80-90 of those are started by anti-gay partisans. I would like to see more discussion of other aspects of sexuality.

[Lanakila]

The Sexuality forum has been changed to having 4 sticky threads at the top of the forum with different subjects relating to homosexuality. I hope this doesn't cause too much confusion.

[paxvobiscum]

The Sexuality forum has been changed to having 4 sticky threads at the top of the forum with different subjects relating to homosexuality. I hope this doesn't cause too much confusion.
My suggestion would to start a Sub-Forum under Sexuality for the Homosexuality topics. This would elevate "sticky clutter". The problem is that there are many topics considering the subject and that would be lost in pigeon-holing them to 4 or 5 stickies. I just can't see where logical discussion would be achieved in all that clutter.

[feral]

I agree with the subforum suggestion. There are more issues that affect homosexuality then just the sin question, which is repeated yes. As new laws come out, gay people take leadership roles, news emerges, etc we will want new threads. Plus...no one wants to wade through so many posts just to check someone elses new link or article, or poll.
I think a sub forum would be beneficial for those still interested in discussing the topic and new issues coming out. ;)

[Plan 9]

I can't even find the thread I was participating in and which couldn't possibly be merged with other topics. If you're going to ban the subject, just do it, rather than jumble separate topics together, so that no discussion is possible. This is ridiculous.

[paxvobiscum]

I can't even find the thread I was participating in and which couldn't possibly be merged with other topics. If you're going to ban the subject, just do it, rather than jumble separate topics together, so that no discussion is possible. This is ridiculous.
It is ridiculous. There are many topics that concern Gay Christians. To lump them into 4 or 5 stickies is absolutely appalling. You might as well stick up pink triangles.

[Inspired]

ok my http://www.terrysoftware.com/oob/forum/twocents.gif

I agree something needed to be done in the forum. And it was apparant in this responses to Lanakila's first thread, that whatever it was wasn't going to be done through voluntary actions of the members. (obvious because of the reactions of certain members)

I understand the reasoning behind the stickies, too many members are reaptedly starting new threads on subjects that have already been dicussed and often times it is the same poster, that started the previous thread.

I also recognize that there are threads with very similiar topics, I can see the reasoning in merging them.

From a posters prespective...
The "other" thread is what is the most difficult. If the intention was to kill the homosexual threads all together, I'm sure that will do it, as it is impossible to have a dicussion in that thread, there are entirely too many topics being dicussed, it would be like 400 members in the chat box and once trying to have 200 one on one conversations.

From a mods perspective...

I can't even imagine how you would be able to keep up with the dicussions let alone moderate them.

I think the original plan of limiting the number of posts one poster can have in that forum, and a solution to the spam and run posting might be a better solution.

Ex: No one poster can have more than say 3 threads started by them in the forum. So if they have three going and want to start another thread, then they would email a mod ask the to close one of the threads, and then they could start a new one. If someone else still wants to dicuss that topic, then they could continue it as one of their 3 threads. And at the same time, maintaining the rule about duplicate topics.

Considering there are only 5-6 people who actively start threads in that forum on the topic, it should greatly decrease the number of threads.


Like I said this is just my suggestion, I know the mods are overwhelmed by the number of reports in the forum, and are trying to work towards the best solution.

[Gunny]

I commend the SF Staff on utilizing spiritual discerment regarding the Christianity and sexuality forum.

In Christ
James

[Elusivia]

I commend the SF Staff on utilizing spiritual discerment regarding the Christianity and sexuality forum.

In Christ
James

I say this is just another way for christians to be in control...its alwyas been a big deal for them to be on top...So I commend them for doing what they always do...Homosexuality is something they want to be in the know all of so they will continue to do this until....Forever!!!!Truth Hurts

[fejao]

I think the new way of discussing homosexuality and the bible, is so clumsy and trying to discuss things when there are five new pages and new topics every five seconds it horrible and not good to use and eventually will be an nightmare more moderators. Also to say that the decision is final and not up for discussion, is well not democratic ! Is this forum for its members or for the moderators ? I think we should have a sub forum for homosexuality....I think the idea of mods posting new thread, on the suggestion from members may be a good idea or limit one thread per day or few days...

Fejao x x

[Jet Black]

I am inclined to agree with inspired on this one. the majority of people barely ever post a new thread. merging all the threads into a few stickes helps no-one really, since it will be completely impossuible to follow a discussion, and people are already complaining that conversations they were involved in were lost. If anything needed doing, it would be to create a "news stickey" in which people could post news stories, and then should people wish to discuss them, they could do - there were just too many news clippings starting yet another thread from certain prolific posters.

[Inspired]

I say this is just another way for christians to be in control...its alwyas been a big deal for them to be on top...So I commend them for doing what they always do...Homosexuality is something they want to be in the know all of so they will continue to do this until....Forever!!!!Truth Hurts

Ok I know this isn't a debate but I think that was way harsh. I don't think that was the moderators intentions at all, they have been dicussing a change for a while now, trying to find a workable solution.

[Lanakila]

I will answer this the reason that I posted that it wasn't up for debate, is that we don't want the debate over how to handle this issue in the threads in that forum. This problem was discussed in a few threads over here, and by the mods and Erwin, and this is the solution we came up with so far.

In our opinion a subforum would just turn into the same problem in a day or so, that we had before the change.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

The use of the term "stickys"---which seems to imply both male and female ejaculation products---is a slur on LGBTQs as it implies lust in the primary motivation to be LGBTQ and as such is inappropriately offensive.

The new format just makes things unmanagable and unwieldly and appears to suggest rational discussion is not being encouraged.

The old way was better, unwieldy as it was. I would suggest three monitors be designated to approve new threads in the forum to keep things manageable. a person who wishes to start a new thread could PM one of the 3 moderators who would start the thread if they approved of it by pasting from the PM.

[Lanakila]

I have one suggestion that we mods remove the old posts, and limit the number of pages down to 10 per sticky so that its not so many pages to wade through.

[Lanakila]

The use of the term "stickys"---which seems to imply both male and female ejaculation products---is a slur on LGBTQs as it implies lust in the primary motivation to be LGBTQ and as such is inappropriately offensive.

The new format just makes things unmanagable and unwieldly and appears to suggest rational discussion is not being encouraged.

The old way was better, unwieldy as it was. I would suggest three monitors be designated to approve new threads in the forum to keep things manageable. a person who wishes to start a new thread could PM one of the 3 moderators who would start the thread if they approved of it by pasting from the PM.

Sticky is a term that is part of the software and isn't meant as any blight or slight to anyone at all.

[paxvobiscum]

I will answer this the reason that I posted that it wasn't up for debate, is that we don't want the debate over how to handle this issue in the threads in that forum. This problem was discussed in a few threads over here, and by the mods and Erwin, and this is the solution we came up with so far.

In our opinion a subforum would just turn into the same problem in a day or so, that we had before the change.
Well we have a problem now, IMHO...and pretty evident in there now.
It's an opinion., but you haven't tried it. Maybe you should try have some Gay Christians moderate it.

[BarbB]

That's like having the fox guard the henhouse, pax! :D

I personally like the sticky concept as there are far fewer things to jump back and forth to. My mouse fingers get soooo tired.

By the by, I counted homosexual threads yesterday and 90% had been started by homosexual members. Hmmm.

And by way of a positive response to the change, several interesting topics have been started today that have NOTHING to do with homosexuality and they are not getting lost in the dross.

[Lanakila]

That was the idea. Especially since the other threads eventually turned into the same discussion between the same members,no one changing sides one way or another, and often got ugly and had to be closed.

[Inspired]

That's like having the fox guard the henhouse, pax! :D

I resent that, and that's like saying any moderator couldn't be fair and leave their personal feelings out of it, quite the contrary many do.

[BarbB]

I'm sorry, inspired. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Pax knows what I'm talking about as several times he got carried away in his enthusiasm of sharing.

I actually think the current mods do a terrific and pretty impartial job.

[Plan 9]

That was the idea. Especially since the other threads eventually turned into the same discussion between the same members,no one changing sides one way or another, and often got ugly and had to be closed.
That's not entirely true. At least one thread I was following deserved to be kept separate. I can't see any reason to participate in them anymore.
One got closed because of one troller, who the regular posters had pretty much got rid by themselves. I reported him and I regret it; it was an excuse to close the thread the next day.

[Lanakila]

I have one suggestion that we mods remove the old posts, and limit the number of pages down to 10 per sticky so that its not so many pages to wade through.

What does everyone think about this?

[paxvobiscum]

I'm sorry, inspired. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Pax knows what I'm talking about as several times he got carried away in his enthusiasm of sharing.

I actually think the current mods do a terrific and pretty impartial job.
Thank-you for noting my enthusiasm...and that's what it is.:)

Definitely they do a good job..a tough at times. I think IMHO, they could of done better. There are many topics that concern Gay Christians. NOT 4 or 5 stickies.

[paxvobiscum]

What does everyone think about this?
Still too limiting. A Sub-forum with a Gay Moderator would be better.

[Inspired]

What does everyone think about this?


I think dumping the closed topics is a good idea, I don't see how they serve a purpose.

As far as the 10 pages per sticky, I don't think any topic we have dicussed anywhere on the board has been that small, much less one that it compiled of many threads into one sticky, ya know?

[Lanakila]

That's not entirely true. At least one thread I was following deserved to be kept separate. I can't see any reason to participate in them anymore.
One got closed because of one troller, who the regular posters had pretty much got rid by themselves. I reported him and I regret it; it was an excuse to close the thread the next day.

Well, to be honest we don't often need excuses to close threads. That thread had many, many reports, not just yours Plan 9.

[Inspired]

Still too limiting. A Sub-forum with a Gay Moderator would be better.

That's alot to ask Pax.

[Lanakila]

I think dumping the closed topics is a good idea, I don't see how they serve a purpose.

As far as the 10 pages per sticky, I don't think any topic we have dicussed anywhere on the board has been that small, much less one that it compiled of many threads into one sticky, ya know?


What number of pages do you suggest? That is why I brought it up so that members that post there can make suggestions.

[BarbB]

Can the dumping be a function of time as opposed to number of posts. For instance, 2 or 3 days ought to do it.

[Plan 9]

.

By the by, I counted homosexual threads yesterday and 90% had been started by homosexual members. Hmmm.

I can still find 21 old ones started by a single member, who is anti-gay. One of them was an extremely exaggerated story about a park in my hometown, which I didn't care for.

[Lanakila]

That is a good suggestion, I was just trying to find a solution for the so many pages to wade through.

[Inspired]

What number of pages do you suggest? That is why I brought it up so that members that post there can make suggestions.
I don't know, it still leaves the issue of us talking around each other with the different topics.

I know the forum isn't what is was supposed to be, and alot of us have to talk around some posters in order to have a dicussion.

I guess I was just trying to figure out a way we could dicuss things, I know it's not going to change anyone's beliefs, and wouldn't intend to, just some understanding of were everyone is coming from, so it's not an all out post war.

I really don't know a clear solution Lanakila, I know you guys are trying your best.

I still think your original post about limiting the number of threads a person could start would be very useful, that would kill over 40 right off the bat.

[BarbB]

What about a Gay Fellowship thread where topics of interest to the homosexual members could be discussed. I am interested in the morality of homosexuality, but not the day to day nitty gritty.

I.e. is the focus of the homosexuality threads to be philosophical/theological/apologetical for all posters or is it to be a chance for homosexual members to chat?

[Plan 9]

Well, to be honest we don't often need excuses to close threads. That thread had many, many reports, not just yours Plan 9.
I just reported the guy for trolling and this is not the first time this has happened. I'll never make a report again, unless I want the thread closed. Let them troll. We have regular members who say atrocious things over and over and nothing is done.

[Inspired]

What about a Gay Fellowship thread where topics of interest to the homosexual members could be discussed. I am interested in the morality of homosexuality, but not the day to day nitty gritty.

I.e. is the focus of the homosexuality threads to be philosophical/theological/apologetical for all posters or is it to be a chance for homosexual members to chat?


The purpose of the forum was that the politics and news forums were over run, by homosexual threads. Members complain, Erwin made the new forum so that they would all be in one place, so that members had to go to the sexuality forum to see them, and if you did that, well that really didn't leave you any room to complain about reading about homosexuality, ya know?

[BarbB]

I can still find 21 old ones started by a single member, who is anti-gay. One of them was an extremely exaggerated story about a park in my hometown, which I didn't care for.
I agree Planny, but the whole complexion of the forum has changed from theological discussion to advocacy. Kitty has been conservative about starting threads there now.

Don't know about your park - I often do not read the newsy homosexual threads - but just throw a fish at them! :D

[Plan 9]

I agree Planny, but the whole complexion of the forum has changed from theological discussion to advocacy. Kitty has been conservative about starting threads there now.

Don't know about your park - I often do not read the newsy homosexual threads - but just throw a fish at them! :D

It was the other way around, but it doesn't matter now.

Yes, more fish, please.

[Plan 9]

The purpose of the forum was that the politics and news forums were over run, by homosexual threads. Members complain, Erwin made the new forum so that they would all be in one place, so that members had to go to the sexuality forum to see them, and if you did that, well that really didn't leave you any room to complain about reading about homosexuality, ya know?

Nevertheless, members continued to complain who didn't participate.

[BarbB]

The purpose of the forum was that the politics and news forums were over run, by homosexual threads. Members complain, Erwin made the new forum so that they would all be in one place, so that members had to go to the sexuality forum to see them, and if you did that, well that really didn't leave you any room to complain about reading about homosexuality, ya know?
Yeah, I know. There are some subjects in Sexuality and Christianity which I don't bother to read (either temptation or gross out factor).

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of a fellowship area. I know that there are topics of interest and importance to you guys (and girls ^_^ ) which are not of interest to me. There does need to be a place for you to post items like that. Ah, but then you wouldn't post in the other threads and I'd miss your company.:sigh:

[Onwardclimb]

If you guys do decide to get rid of the past posts, is there a way I can have mine PM-ed to me?????

--Onwardclimb

[paxvobiscum]

That's alot to ask Pax.
No harm in asking. :)

[paxvobiscum]

Yeah, I know. There are some subjects in Sexuality and Christianity which I don't bother to read (either temptation or gross out factor).

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of a fellowship area. I know that there are topics of interest and importance to you guys (and girls ^_^ ) which are not of interest to me. There does need to be a place for you to post items like that. Ah, but then you wouldn't post in the other threads and I'd miss your company.:sigh:
I do like that idea too. A fellowship area would be great....but you would always be welcome to :P us ;)

[paxvobiscum]

If you guys do decide to get rid of the past posts, is there a way I can have mine PM-ed to me?????

--Onwardclimb
And there's another point....Post's in the dust.

[Inspired]

Yeah, I know. There are some subjects in Sexuality and Christianity which I don't bother to read (either temptation or gross out factor).

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of a fellowship area. I know that there are topics of interest and importance to you guys (and girls ^_^ ) which are not of interest to me. There does need to be a place for you to post items like that. Ah, but then you wouldn't post in the other threads and I'd miss your company.:sigh:

We have an open fellowship area, Freindship court is open to everyone. I participate in it daily. It's not like homosexuals lead alien lives, we do the same things.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

What does everyone think about this?
Depends on how you have your preferences set---I have mine set to 40 posts per page, the maximum, in which case 5 pages are just about too many.

[Lanakila]

I do like that idea too. A fellowship area would be great....but you would always be welcome to :P us ;)


How about a chatbox just for that forum? I know its possible, we could suggest it to Erwin.

[BarbB]

If you guys do decide to get rid of the past posts, is there a way I can have mine PM-ed to me?????

--Onwardclimb
I don't know the technical effort involved, but maybe the older posts could be added to an ever-expanding archive file which is available to look at but not post to?




I do like that idea too. A fellowship area would be great....but you would always be welcome to :P us ;)

Good, thanks for the invite! :cool:

[Inspired]

How about a chatbox just for that forum? I know its possible, we could suggest it to Erwin.

Actually not a bad idea, but personally I wouldn't wanted it limited to homosexuals, but just to members 18 and over per the current forum rules.

[BarbB]

Chatbox sounds good to me!

[Lanakila]

Me too inspired. But members would have to help us out and let us know when trolls are in there. That may be a problem. I am just throwing things out.

[Plan 9]

Most chatboxes are difficult for me to use. That being true, its use may limit others who will be participating.

[Inspired]

Me too inspired. But members would have to help us out and let us know when trolls are in there. That may be a problem. I am just throwing things out.

Hmmm what about some form of junior mods?
Ok let me explain at another forum, we have mods that have no power other than in the chat box, so they can temporarily ban members, and then let a real mod handle the situation. I don't know if the way the mods here are dealt out powers are the same and if that would be feasible though.

[Lanakila]

I don't think so. The chatbox is set up differently here than that. The fact that trolls will get in there and cause lots of trouble is the main reason for a chatbox to be rejected in there that I can think of.

[Plan 9]

Hmmm what about some form of junior mods?
Ok let me explain at another forum, we have mods that have no power other than in the chat box, so they can temporarily ban members, and then let a real mod handle the situation. I don't know if the way the mods here are dealt out powers are the same and if that would be feasible though.They're called sub-specialty mods at both boards where I mod. I am one myself at one and have one working under me at another. It sounds a bit nicer than "junior". LOL
It's worked out nicely for us, so far.

[Inspired]

I don't think so. The chatbox is set up differently here than that. The fact that trolls will get in there and cause lots of trouble is the main reason for a chatbox to be rejected in there that I can think of.


I know it can be done with IRC, but I didn't know about the chat box, yea that would create alot of problems then.

I really like the idea of chat, but I really hate IRC, it's too easy to hack.

[Inspired]

They're called sub-specialty mods at both boards where I mod. I am one myself at one and have one working under me at another. It sounds a bit nicer than "junior". LOL
It's worked out nicely for us, so far.


LOL we just called them chat mods I was just trying to make sure everyone understood what I was talking about.

[Plan 9]

Sorry.

[Lanakila]

Whatever we do we don't want to create a bunch more work and headache for Erwin, or the mods that work in that forum.

[MissFirerose]

I think the sub forum for gay/lesbian/bisexual topics would be the way to go. In my opinion, having sticky threads seems way to cluttered. What happens when we get more than 500 posts in one thread? It's quite overwhelming, for me anyway. I'd rather have one idea per thread. Plus, there's always some sort of news concerning homosexuality. It just seems to get quite complicated if people have to post news and such under one thread. It would be massive. My poor brain is already stressed from school. lol.

[Inspired]

Sorry.


What are you apologizing for? :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Plan 9]

What are you apologizing for? :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Well, it's none of my business anyway.

[MissFirerose]

Woh I don't know how, but my post ended up here twice. So uh, what do you guys think of a sub forum idea? lol.

[Inspired]

Whatever we do we don't want to create a bunch more work and headache for Erwin, or the mods that work in that forum.

I assume since Erwin knows so much about the coding, maybe he knows a good bit about IRC?

IRC would be perfect if we could find away to keep everyone's IP private, you would be able to assign chat mods that had no power at CF, they wouldn't be able to ban memebrs from CF but merely the chat room. We could dicuss all sorts of various topics, there would be no repeating of threads, the chat logs can be saved for those who wish too.

The hacking is my only concern.

It wouldn't totally solve the problems with the forums, but I think it would help a great deal.

[Lanakila]

CF has an IRC chatroom. Its in the list of forums.

[Christi]

Just showed up and haven't read much of the rest. It's quite obvious that orientation issues are the majority of the traffic, though. It also seems that many of the other threads could be neatly fit into the couples, marriage, men or women's forums with no problems. (Forgive me if I look like a big dork for laying that ingenius observation on everyone....;) like I said, I'm a newcomer to this discussion!)

[Plan 9]

Woh I don't know how, but my post ended up here twice. So uh, what do you guys think of a sub forum idea? lol.

I preferred it, too, and the problems we were having were exactly the same as in the Science fora, except that it somehow mattered more in the Sexuality forum.

[Lanakila]

Maybe we could ask Erwin to move it into the S & C forum? But, its always empty. No one wants to go in and talk to themselves.

[Inspired]

CF has an IRC chatroom. Its in the list of forums.


I know, but if it were to be for the S&C forum, we would need a seperate channel right, because as is the channel is open to everyone including younger members, right?


Would anyone want to use the IRC chat room? Has anyone ever used IRC and knows what it is?

[paxvobiscum]

Whatever we do we don't want to create a bunch more work and headache for Erwin, or the mods that work in that forum.
We understand that. I just find these stickies too stifling. I think all of us just need to behave...(present company included ^_^ ). I really do think a Sub-Forum can be the answer. If the Trolls come in...there is only one reason why...and they can be identified.

[Inspired]

We understand that. I just find these stickies too stifling. I think all of us just need to behave...(present company included ^_^ ). I really do think a Sub-Forum can be the answer. If the Trolls come in...there is only one reason why...and they can be identified.

I know I am the odd man out here so to speak, but the more I think about it, i really don't want to be segregated off into the corner.

[Plan 9]

I know, but if it were to be for the S&C forum, we would need a seperate channel right, because as is the channel is open to everyone including younger members, right?


Would anyone want to use the IRC chat room? Has anyone ever used IRC and knows what it is?

My comp won't support it, and I assume that others have old comps with little RAM?
The messageboard format is most doable for people with comp or neurological problems, or both.

[Plan 9]

I know I am the odd man out here so to speak, but the more I think about it, i really don't want to be segregated off into the corner.

In spite of Erwin's best efforts and that of the staff, many members here don't care to have all Christians united.

[Inspired]

My comp won't support it, and I assume that others have old comps with little RAM?
The messageboard format is most doable for people with comp or neurological problems, or both.

Ah but what if I told you that you can download a program called mirc for free which takes up less space than your graphics that will allow even a dinosaur 486 to log into IRC with no problems?

[Inspired]

In spite of Erwin's best efforts and that of the staff, many members here don't care to have all Christians united.


True and many would assume I would fall out of cyber space all together, but if I gave into what everyone else wants, I never would have come back to Christ, so I'm not going to start listening to them now.

[Plan 9]

Ah but what if I told you that you can download a program called mirc for free which takes up less space than your graphics that will allow even a dinosaur 486 to log into IRC with no problems?

Been there; done that. When my comp didn't freeze, I couldn't keep up. I got rid of it. Our site owner and our site adminstrator also abandoned the idea for other reasons.

[paxvobiscum]

I know I am the odd man out here so to speak, but the more I think about it, i really don't want to be segregated off into the corner.
I kind of agree...hmmm...odd man? I thought you were a women? :confused:

But it looks like it's happening anyways with these stickies.

[Inspired]

Been there; done that. When my comp didn't freeze, I couldn't keep up. I got rid of it. Our site owner and our site adminstrator also abandoned the idea for other reasons.

Trillian is the only other program to log into IRC.

[Inspired]

I kind of agree...hmmm...odd man? I thought you were a women? :confused:

But it looks like it's happening anyways with these stickies.


LOL that's were the 'so to speak' came in :P

[Plan 9]

I kind of agree...hmmm...odd man? I thought you were a women? :confused:

But it looks like it's happening anyways with these stickies.Exactly.

[Inspired]

Other than we would need to figure out a feasible way to get Plan in, is anyone else interested in the chat room?

[paxvobiscum]

Trillian is the only other program to log into IRC.
Yeah I use that one...it's pretty good overall.

[Plan 9]

Trillian is the only other program to log into IRC.

My comp won't support any IM I've yet tried, much less Trillian and IRC on top of one another, but I only made the point because others may have trouble, too. Don't try to set up anything specifically for me.

[Plan 9]

Other than we would need to figure out a feasible way to get Plan in, is anyone else interested in the chat room?

No, you don't need to do that, Inspired, not that I don't appreciate the thought.

[Inspired]

My comp won't support any IM I've yet tried, much less Trillian and IRC on top of one another, but I only made the point because others may have trouble, too. Don't try to set up anything specifically for me.


It wouldn't be one on top of the other, and there is a way to create a hyperlink to that chatroom using java, it's not a huge deal, I have just never done it on my own.

[Lanakila]

This is just a suggestion so far without Erwins ok, or even telling us its feasible. I like it, except for the troll issue, or even members getting out of hand, but that could be dealt with. I just worry about Erwin going through a lot of trouble to create a chatroom that isn't used. The other one is totally ignored.

[Plan 9]

This is just a suggestion so far without Erwins ok, or even telling us its feasible. I like it, except for the troll issue, or even members getting out of hand, but that could be dealt with. I just worry about Erwin going through a lot of trouble to create a chatroom that isn't used. The other one is totally ignored.
I already knew I couldn't keep up in a chatroom; it wouldn't have been ignored if I could have. :)

[Inspired]

This is just a suggestion so far without Erwins ok, or even telling us its feasible. I like it, except for the troll issue, or even members getting out of hand, but that could be dealt with. I just worry about Erwin going through a lot of trouble to create a chatroom that isn't used. The other one is totally ignored.


Maybe since that one isn't used at all, we could just use that one, and if members come in who are under 18, then we would just voluntarily agree to suspend those kinds of dicussions?

[paxvobiscum]

Other than we would need to figure out a feasible way to get Plan in, is anyone else interested in the chat room?
I'm interested in what everyone is saying...(even Gunny)....and it's hard to get a history on the discussion. Most discussions have been "fruitful" so to speak.:P

Personally I learned alot.

Maybe instead of calling it a "Homosexual" sub-forum call it "The Rainbow Room".

[MissFirerose]

Yeah. Plus, IRC is kind of confusing. It took me a dang long time to figure out how to log in. Plus it's more fun being noisy on a forum. I prefer them a lot more than chat rooms. But that's just me.

[MissFirerose]

I'm interested in what everyone is saying...(even Gunny)....and it's hard to get a history on the discussion. Most discussions have been "fruitful" so to speak.:P

Personally I learned alot.

Maybe instead of calling it a "Homosexual" sub-forum call it "The Rainbow Room".

Hahaha! That's priceless!

[Plan 9]

It wouldn't be one on top of the other, and there is a way to create a hyperlink to that chatroom using java, it's not a huge deal, I have just never done it on my own.
Inspired, I won't be participating. I've only been posting here because it sometimes helps to hear from Lois Common Denominator when you're trying to set something up. I'll quit now, okay? :)

[Inspired]

Inspired, I won't be participating. I've only been posting here because it sometimes helps to hear from Lois Common Denominator when you're trying to set something up. I'll quit now, okay? :)


If you want to quit ok, but I don't want you to think i want you to, because I don't in the least. :confused:

[Zanne Chaos]

I know I am the odd man out here so to speak, but the more I think about it, i really don't want to be segregated off into the corner. It seems to me the more I'm reading these posts and thinking about it, the majority of our problems with the threads boils down to two things:

1) Too many threads all debating the same topic
2) Any discussion about homosexuality instantly turns into debate

I agree with the sentiment that you don't want to be 'segregated', but I'm starting to think that subforums might be the answer. However!

I didn't see this suggestion.

What about a subforum for the sole purpose of debating homosexuality and Christianity? That way those of us who don't want to get into yet another go-round argument don't have to, and debating won't be allowed on the topic elsewhere?

And maybe there should be a Homosexuality forum in the Christians-only area? A place where a homosexual Christian or someone seeking advice on the topic can go without it deteriorating into yet another argument? (if it's enforced that debating is not allowed in there; take it to the debate subforum)

I realize my advice probably weighs about as much as a feather, given how briefly I've been here, but that seems to be the two biggest problems: Any time Christians want to discuss homosexuality among themselves, even if they themselves are Christians, they cannot without it turning into an argument with the other camp.

Just my two cents, for whatever it's worth.

[Inspired]

Well if no one's going to use the chat room, then no there would be no point in asking Erwin to go to any trouble.

I was just trying to find a place for us to chat, if I go to friendhip court, and type anything about homosexuality, even if it has nothing to do with sex, the thread will be moved.

But if I go to S&C I can only talk about sex, I'm not even having sex, and I get really bored with talking about it.

[Inspired]

And maybe there should be a Homosexuality forum in the Christians-only area? A place where a homosexual Christian or someone seeking advice on the topic can go without it deteriorating into yet another argument?



they already have forums where they can dicuss it, in the Christian only area, the just don't.

[Plan 9]

It seems to me the more I'm reading these posts and thinking about it, the majority of our problems with the threads boils down to two things:

1) Too many threads all debating the same topic
2) Any discussion about homosexuality instantly turns into debate

I agree with the sentiment that you don't want to be 'segregated', but I'm starting to think that subforums might be the answer. However!

I didn't see this suggestion.

What about a subforum for the sole purpose of debating homosexuality and Christianity? That way those of us who don't want to get into yet another go-round argument don't have to, and debating won't be allowed on the topic elsewhere?

And maybe there should be a Homosexuality forum in the Christians-only area? A place where a homosexual Christian or someone seeking advice on the topic can go without it deteriorating into yet another argument?

I realize my advice probably weighs about as much as a feather, given how briefly I've been here, but that seems to be the two biggest problems: Any time Christians want to discuss homosexuality among themselves, even if they themselves are Christians, they cannot without it turning into an argument with the other camp.

Just my two cents, for whatever it's worth.
We have all that, including the same problems, in the two Science fora.
There are duplications of threads, duplications of posts, debating unstead of discussing, people trolling through, and flaming. We live with it there; we just do our best and that's good enough.
No one has turned the Science fora into six sticky threads.

[Christi]

:sorry: So.....what's going on? (Someone please summarize for me?)

[Inspired]

Me and newlamb have been derailing a thread for a while now talking about trukey bowling among other things, but if I mention my girlfriend, it will be followed by random scripture quotes, and the thread being yanked.

Now while I understand yanking the thread, it is a bit unnerving, i think it's what creates the two sides, the fact that we have no way of getting to know each other on a more personal level.



Did any of that make sense? It is so past my nap time.

[No gods]

Personally, I find the "Sticky" threads annoying and clumsy. Not only that, but if people are compaining about the number of homosexuality threads, won't they now just complain that the homosexuality threads are ALWAYS on top, etc? Why is the suggestion of a subcategory in the Sexuality forum being disregarded? Homosexuality is a big issue to Christians (as has been witnessed in the Sexuality forum). Limiting the issue to a few clumsy threads is just going to cause a lot of frustration and isn't really going to be helpful in the long run. I would think creating a subcategory in Sexuality that deals specifically with Homosexuality and related issues seems to be a simple answer.

[Inspired]

:sorry: So.....what's going on? (Someone please summarize for me?)


LOL we all agree there is a problem, none of us have a clear solution so to summerize

when screaming pavement jumps up to slap you in the face and tell you that the kool-aid man doesn't eat green jell-o, you know the train has taken the dirt road.
;)

[Zanne Chaos]

Meep. Okay. :)

::tiptoes out -- really, really should be working on getting another chapter out for at least one of her fanfic WIPs instead of procrastinating anyway:: ^_^

[Christi]

LOL we all agree there is a problem, none of us have a clear solution so to summerize

when screaming pavement jumps up to slap you in the face and tell you that the kool-aid man doesn't eat green jell-o, you know the train has taken the dirt road.
;)ROFL!!!!! That'll work for me! PM me how it all comes out, I can be sort of oblivious...lol....like ya didn't know THAT!!!!

[paxvobiscum]

It seems to me the more I'm reading these posts and thinking about it, the majority of our problems with the threads boils down to two things:

1) Too many threads all debating the same topic
2) Any discussion about homosexuality instantly turns into debate

I agree with the sentiment that you don't want to be 'segregated', but I'm starting to think that subforums might be the answer. However!

I didn't see this suggestion.

What about a subforum for the sole purpose of debating homosexuality and Christianity? That way those of us who don't want to get into yet another go-round argument don't have to, and debating won't be allowed on the topic elsewhere?

And maybe there should be a Homosexuality forum in the Christians-only area? A place where a homosexual Christian or someone seeking advice on the topic can go without it deteriorating into yet another argument? (if it's enforced that debating is not allowed in there; take it to the debate subforum)

I realize my advice probably weighs about as much as a feather, given how briefly I've been here, but that seems to be the two biggest problems: Any time Christians want to discuss homosexuality among themselves, even if they themselves are Christians, they cannot without it turning into an argument with the other camp.

Just my two cents, for whatever it's worth.
That's just about what sums it up for me.
I came to this Board/Forum originally to discuss my new found spirituality. A reawakening (no folks not born again).
I didn't come here to be a Gay Activist....like some people may think.
Then I discovered the homo threads. And I was aghast.
Then I was told by one of the mods that Homosexuality was a "Ministry".
Well not exactly the type of ministry that I thought it was. I was truely aghast.

I just hope we all can come to terms with it.

[Inspired]

ROFL!!!!! That'll work for me! PM me how it all comes out, I can be sort of oblivious...lol....like ya didn't know THAT!!!!


sure thing, just remember it doesn't make how many eskimo pies you put in the microwave, because jelly beans aren't combustible anyway.

[Onwardclimb]

Regardless of the new format, I think our old posts should be archived (THANX Newlamb!) NOT deleted.

I also think there should possibly be a sub-forum about homosexuality as other posters have mentioned.

God bless,
Onwardclimb

p.s.((((((((((((((((((((((PLANNY))))))))))))))))))))))))) my cpu freezes A LOT too!!!!

[Christi]

Me and newlamb have been derailing a thread for a while now talking about trukey bowling among other things, but if I mention my girlfriend, it will be followed by random scripture quotes, and the thread being yanked.

Now while I understand yanking the thread, it is a bit unnerving, i think it's what creates the two sides, the fact that we have no way of getting to know each other on a more personal level.



Did any of that make sense? It is so past my nap time.Makes the BEST sense to me.....I think when people get to know each other, we aren't so different after all. It'd be nice to just like each other for awhile, without people always having to "defend a position" or worry about who else is sinning. Just hang out and laugh and like each other and stuff?

[Plan 9]

That's just about what sums it up for me.
I came to this Board/Forum originally to discuss my new found spirituality. A reawakening (no folks not born again).
I didn't come here to be a Gay Activist....like some people may think.
Then I discovered the homo threads. And I was aghast.
Then I was told by one of the mods that Homosexuality was a "Ministry".
Well not exactly the type of ministry that I thought it was. I was truely aghast.

I just hope we all can come to terms with it.


I, too, hope you can all come to terms with being considered second-class Christians here, supposing you're considered Christians at all.

[BarbB]

That's just about what sums it up for me.
I came to this Board/Forum originally to discuss my new found spirituality. A reawakening (no folks not born again).
I didn't come here to be a Gay Activist....like some people may think.
Then I discovered the homo threads. And I was aghast.
Then I was told by one of the mods that Homosexuality was a "Ministry".
Well not exactly the type of ministry that I thought it was. I was truely aghast.

I just hope we all can come to terms with it.
homo threads? :( :P What's a ghast? :scratch: :pink:

I have realized while chatting with inspired about her turkey bowling that I want to get to know you all as people. When I do, like with Bonita who I was all fired up at, I am much more sympathetic! You know that pax, but you are like my younger brother trying to get my dander up!!!! I don't have much more time tonight as my sis-in-law will be showing up soon, but I'm going to start a friendship thread in S&C just to talk and take the heat off! OK?

[paxvobiscum]

Personally, I find the "Sticky" threads annoying and clumsy. Not only that, but if people are compaining about the number of homosexuality threads, won't they now just complain that the homosexuality threads are ALWAYS on top, etc? Why is the suggestion of a subcategory in the Sexuality forum being disregarded? Homosexuality is a big issue to Christians (as has been witnessed in the Sexuality forum). Limiting the issue to a few clumsy threads is just going to cause a lot of frustration and isn't really going to be helpful in the long run. I would think creating a subcategory in Sexuality that deals specifically with Homosexuality and related issues seems to be a simple answer.
Amen, Exactly...seems to have worked elsewhere on this board. Quite frankly some people on this board feel "threatened" by the new and exhilarating debating going on.

[paxvobiscum]

homo threads? :( :P What's a ghast? :scratch: :pink:

I have realized while chatting with inspired about her turkey bowling that I want to get to know you all as people. When I do, like with Bonita who I was all fired up at, I am much more sympathetic! You know that pax, but you are like my younger brother trying to get my dander up!!!! I don't have much more time tonight as my sis-in-law will be showing up soon, but I'm going to start a friendship thread in S&C just to talk and take the heat off! OK?
OK honey:holy:

[paxvobiscum]

Regardless of the new format, I think our old posts should be archived (THANX Newlamb!) NOT deleted.

I also think there should possibly be a sub-forum about homosexuality as other posters have mentioned.

God bless,
Onwardclimb

p.s.((((((((((((((((((((((PLANNY))))))))))))))))))))))))) my cpu freezes A LOT too!!!!
Oh boy oh boy there is hope..this is the first time we EVER agreed upon something...maybe well maybe not the first time and hopefully not the last ^_^

[Christi]

Regardless of the new format, I think our old posts should be archived (THANX Newlamb!) NOT deleted.

I also think there should possibly be a sub-forum about homosexuality as other posters have mentioned.

God bless,
Onwardclimb

p.s.((((((((((((((((((((((PLANNY))))))))))))))))))))))))) my cpu freezes A LOT too!!!!
Lol, yep, I want to keep them because most of my finer moments have occured shortly before a thread was closed! lol!

[Inspired]

homo threads? What's a ghast? :scratch: :pink:

I have realized while chatting with inspired about her turkey bowling that I want to get to know you all as people. When I do, like with Bonita who I was all fired up at, I am much more sympathetic! You know that pax, but you are like my younger brother trying to get my dander up!!!! I don't have much more time tonight as my sis-in-law will be showing up soon, but I'm going to start a friendship thread in S&C just to talk and take the heat off! OK?
aghast = frighten

lol let's just move to friendship court, I'll bring a couch, whoever wants can decide my moral fate in S&C, and miss out on 90% of their life doing so.
I'm off to bed for now :wave: I have turkey bowling to do later ;)

[Plan 9]

OC and NL are two of the nicest people you could ever know, Pax.

[paxvobiscum]

OC and NL are two of the nicest people you could ever know, Pax.
I am begining to learn that...hey I've only been around these parts for about 4 or 5 weeks.

[paxvobiscum]

aghast = frighten

lol let's just move to friendship court, I'll bring a couch, whoever wants can decide my moral fate in S&C, and miss out on 90% of their life doing so.
I'm off to bed for now :wave: I have turkey bowling to do later ;)
Aghast = Struck by shock, terror, or amazement.

Aghast he waked; and, starting from his bed, Cold sweat in clammy drops his limbs o'erspread. --Dryden.

[Plan 9]

Well, they can't keep you out of Friendship Court..for awhile.

[BarbB]

Planny - you embarrass me! But thanks anyway.

Gotta go guys, catch up with you'all tomorrow! :wave:

[No gods]

Re: Chatroom suggestion

No. Don't like it. You could only "chat" with those online at the time which would definitely limit the diversity of the participants. Nothing you say will be "recorded" for others to read later, and I've read some really profound posts in some debates/discussions. It would be a shame for these to never be read by other users in the forum.

Personally, I don't understand why the S & C forum couldn't stay the way it was. If there are many different discussions about a subject, it simply means there is a lot of interest in the topic and a lot of different aspects of the subject. However, since there seems to be complaints about it, (not to sound like a broken record) a subcategory with a "disclaimer" stating "if you don't want to read it, don't look" or something like that seems to be the best answer I can see.

[Erwin]

Okay, I might as well add something here...

1) This thread is very long. ;) Apologies if I miss a post in it, and I repeat myself.

2) The staff had a loooooooong discussion about this, that lasted a couple of weeks. In the end, we did a poll, and senior staff decided that a separate homosexuality forum is not warranted for the moment. It is part of Sexuality - we should not separate or segregate it.

3) We decided that having a few threads with the same topics would be sufficient. Remember that Homosexuality is just a small part of human sexuality - it is understood that it is a controversial topic, but we do not want to have that forum overrun with preoccupations with homosexuality.

4) Members MUST enter a birthdate to post in that forum. They can keep their age private in their User CP Options. This is a new thing.

5) This should help the moderators cope. It's not easy moderating this forum.

6) Let's just see how it goes. If it does not work out, we will revert back to the old system.

7) How is everyone? I hope you are all well.

[paxvobiscum]

Okay, I might as well add something here...

1) This thread is very long. ;) Apologies if I miss a post in it, and I repeat myself.

2) The staff had a loooooooong discussion about this, that lasted a couple of weeks. In the end, we did a poll, and senior staff decided that a separate homosexuality forum is not warranted for the moment. It is part of Sexuality - we should not separate or segregate it.

3) We decided that having a few threads with the same topics would be sufficient. Remember that Homosexuality is just a small part of human sexuality - it is understood that it is a controversial topic, but we do not want to have that forum overrun with preoccupations with homosexuality.

4) Members MUST enter a birthdate to post in that forum. They can keep their age private in their User CP Options. This is a new thing.

5) This should help the moderators cope. It's not easy moderating this forum.

6) Let's just see how it goes. If it does not work out, we will revert back to the old system.

7) How is everyone? I hope you are all well.
Quite frankly, this is all being over simplified. Sorry no offence. It's not a preoccupation it's a fact. Little do some people realize it. They just want to sweep it under a carpet...put it in a few pigeon holes and that will be that.

Do you have a homosexual christian on your moderation team or staff?
If not then you don't know what it's like. But maybe it's time. Not my board to make those decisions. But something worth contemplating over.

This is not an easy situation. But I find it stifling...as a Gay Christian.

[paxvobiscum]

Quite frankly, this is all being over simplified. Sorry no offence. It's not a preoccupation it's a fact. Little do some people realize it. They just want to sweep it under a carpet...put it in a few pigeon holes and that will be that.

Do you have a homosexual christian on your moderation team or staff?
If not then you don't know what it's like. But maybe it's time. Not my board to make those decisions. But something worth contemplating over.

This is not an easy situation. But I find it stifling...as a Gay Christian.
Stifled with kisses, a sweet death he dies. --Dryden.

Bodies . . . stifle in themselves the rays which they do not reflect or transmit. --Sir I. Newton.

I desire only to have things fairly represented as they really are; no evidence smothered or stifled. --Waterland.

[Gunny]

Well we have a problem now, IMHO...and pretty evident in there now.
It's an opinion., but you haven't tried it. Maybe you should try have some Gay Christians moderate it.
I pray to God that CF does not traverse down another slippery slope of those wanting a soapbox to teach and preach very, very unsound doctrine (that's being polite).

If individuals that live outside of God's will according to the Holy Word of God want to moderate about homosexuality than they might enjoy one another's opinions better on a website designed for homosexuals.


This is a Christian website. The manner in which the individuals that are homosexuals who claim homsexuality revise, distort and twist the Holy Word of God-How can they moderate at a Bible believing Christian website?

May all CF Staff and it's owner pray diligently and seek God's direction for I believe allowing this to come to frution would create a place where inidividuals will be subjected to false doctrine contrived by false teachers and prophets that once again must change God's Holy Word to justify their sinful ways.

In Christ
James

[Gunny]

We understand that. I just find these stickies too stifling. I think all of us just need to behave...(present company included ^_^ ). I really do think a Sub-Forum can be the answer. If the Trolls come in...there is only one reason why...and they can be identified.
If trolls come in?

A Christian-Bible believing website does not have to cater to the desires of those that truly believe God made them homosexual and is up in heaven with the angels celebrating the sexual practices of homosexuals.

[Gunny]

the topic elsewhere?

And maybe there should be a Homosexuality forum in the Christians-only area? A place where a homosexual Christian or someone seeking advice on the topic can go without it deteriorating into yet another argument? (if it's enforced that debating is not allowed in there; take it to the debate subforum)

Once again I pray to God that a homosexuality forum would not/should not be placed in the Christian Only section.

The doctrinal stance that some of the individuals that claim Christianity who are homosexuals is more a form of Universialism/Unity than Biblical Christianity.

[Gunny]

I didn't come here to be a Gay Activist....like some people may think.

Bible revisionists-those that mix the Gospel of Jesus Christ with other belief systems are always advocating.

[fejao]

I think this thread is turning into another homosexual thread, we are not here to discuss you moral standpoint on homosexuality, we are here to discuss ways of making the forum a better place for us to chat. Also what I see here, is some christians (not all) again trying to exclude gay christians from the forum as they would do heaven !! Sad But True !!


Fejao x x

[Lanakila]

*Mod Hat On* This isn't a debate thread, but a suggestion thread. *Mod Hat Off*

[MsDe]

Perhaps having a sub-forum titled Debate might work? Rather than a label of Homosexuality or GLBT or whatever? Many things are debated in the S & C forum.

[No gods]

2) The staff had a loooooooong discussion about this, that lasted a couple of weeks. In the end, we did a poll, and senior staff decided that a separate homosexuality forum is not warranted for the moment. It is part of Sexuality - we should not separate or segregate it.I don't think that anyone is asking that it be a separate category, but should be a SUBcategory under the S & C category.

3) We decided that having a few threads with the same topics would be sufficient. Remember that Homosexuality is just a small part of human sexuality - it is understood that it is a controversial topic, but we do not want to have that forum overrun with preoccupations with homosexuality.Homosexuality IS a small part of human sexuality, HOWEVER, it is a HUGE issue in regards to christianity and homosexuality. The large number of threads on the subject should be the first clue that it is a HUGE and diverse issue that can't be pigeon-holed into a few "stickies".

6) Let's just see how it goes. If it does not work out, we will revert back to the old system.It is already failing. The threads are clumsy and hard to follow and you have already had two non-gay christians post threads about homosexuality outside of the stickies.

Also, since they are stickies and ALWAYS at the top (with long titles to boot) makes the issue of homosexuality stand out more in the sexuality forum than it ever did before.

[paxvobiscum]

Bible revisionists-those that mix the Gospel of Jesus Christ with other belief systems are always advocating.
:(

[paxvobiscum]

*Mod Hat On* This isn't a debate thread, but a suggestion thread. *Mod Hat Off*
Don't worry I ain't going there.

[paxvobiscum]

I don't think that anyone is asking that it be a separate category, but should be a SUBcategory under the S & C category.

Homosexuality IS a small part of human sexuality, HOWEVER, it is a HUGE issue in regards to christianity and homosexuality. The large number of threads on the subject should be the first clue that it is a HUGE and diverse issue that can't be pigeon-holed into a few "stickies".

It is already failing. The threads are clumsy and hard to follow and you have already had two non-gay christians post threads about homosexuality outside of the stickies.

Also, since they are stickies and ALWAYS at the top (with long titles to boot) makes the issue of homosexuality stand out more in the sexuality forum than it ever did before.
I am seconding that emotion.

[Elusivia]

Ok I know this isn't a debate but I think that was way harsh. I don't think that was the moderators intentions at all, they have been dicussing a change for a while now, trying to find a workable solution.

Obviously its not pleasing some people...So they should sticky with what they had in the first place...;)

[Elusivia]

This way we can actually discuss sexuality in that forum rather than being bombarded with HOMOsexuality and those hat want to discuss homosexuality can do so where the other threads are....

I think HOMOsexual was uncalled for and a bit insulting...Try not to do that ever again:mad:

[La Bonita Zorilla]

Once again I pray to God that a homosexuality forum would not/should not be placed in the Christian Only section.
I wish it wouldn't too but it seems self-indulgent to pray for such a thing.

The doctrinal stance that some of the individuals that claim Christianity who are homosexuals is more a form of Universialism/Unity than Biblical Christianity.
It's not so easily placed in a simple little box because not everybody's the same. Like everyone else, homosexuals, and homosexual Christians, are a diverse lot. I once say in a slew of gay male personal ads a guy seeking "GAY SDAs" (Seventh Day Adventists). I was like----why? Maturity gave me insight that this was a person to whom his faith tradition was highly important despite his having a minority sexual orientation. There are queer Jews and Catholics, Mainstreamers, Baptists, Quakers, Calvinists, and just about everything else.

[Lanakila]

Also, since they are stickies and ALWAYS at the top (with long titles to boot) makes the issue of homosexuality stand out more in the sexuality forum than it ever did before.

There is no way they stick out more now, IMO. That forum was being called the homosexuality forum by quite a few members. Plus many of the threads were just new threads over the same topics over and over.


I hope the archiving I did just now, although not perfect, (sorry about a few goofs) makes the sticky threads more manageable.

[No gods]

The doctrinal stance that some of the individuals that claim Christianity who are homosexuals is more a form of Universialism/Unity than Biblical Christianity..:Forum Rule 1:.
Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"

1) You will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal attacks on the member himself or herself. This includes implied accusations that another member is not a Christian.

[Lanakila]

Its not directed at another member. Its an opinion about a group of people, that some members belong to.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

Its not directed at another member. Its an opinion about a group of people, that some members belong to.
I agree it's not a flame because the position of Christ is much closer to a"form of Universialism/Unity than that which is euphemistically called "Biblical Christianity".http://www.christianforums.com/images/quotes/quot-bot-left.gif

[Inspired]

edited, because I just don't care anymore.

[paxvobiscum]

Also, since they are stickies and ALWAYS at the top (with long titles to boot) makes the issue of homosexuality stand out more in the sexuality forum than it ever did before.

There is no way they stick out more now, IMO. That forum was being called the homosexuality forum by quite a few members. Plus many of the threads were just new threads over the same topics over and over.


I hope the archiving I did just now, although not perfect, (sorry about a few goofs) makes the sticky threads more manageable.
Then there is your answer...Let's call it a Homosexual Forum....and split it.

[paxvobiscum]

Its not directed at another member. Its an opinion about a group of people, that some members belong to.
The group as a whole is a person.

[Inspired]

edited, because I just don't care anymore.

[notto]

Its not directed at another member. Its an opinion about a group of people, that some members belong to. So wouldn't that be considered putting posts that put down another Christian group or denomination?

If Christian Forums is true their rule 6, then wouldn't comments like these used by GySgt be in violation of putting down another Christian group or denomination and by that nature, he is constantly calling many in these forums 'so called' Christians (over and over and over).

Discusions of what we believe personally related to theology are one thing. Claiming that all those that do not agree who post here 'so called' Christians and constantly being able to get away with it is another.

Are you really saying that it is okay here to call any church or group of Christians 'so called' Christians (repeatedly) even when directly responding to someone who holds that view as long as we don't mention them by name?

Does that mean that I can label GySgt's beliefs as those of being a 'so called' Christian and repeatedly call it just that when responding to him?

Can I call groups or denominations that hold your personal views 'so called' Christians and get away with it even though we both hold to the same creed of rule 6? I thought that rule 6 was fairly clear and that those that believe it our considered Christians. Calling any group that believe and follows rule 6 'so called' Christians would seem to be in violation of rule 2.

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[paxvobiscum]

edited, because I just don't care anymore.
Sorry to hear that, Inspired.

[TheBear]

I hear you, notto. And I agree.

Everyone's constructive feedback in this thread is very much appreciated. :)

I am going to close this Suggestions thread for a bit, while we sort things out.

Thanks for all of your patience with this. :)

[Erwin]

Erwin's last word:

One thing I can never understand is why certain members who don't like sexuality topics seem to find the time to enter that forum and make complaints. If you don't want to read about these issues, DON'T ENTER THE FORUM. It's as simple as that.

Btw, some members are right, Rule #1 was indeed breached. We will look into this.