My view of sources of issues........

[JimfromOhio]

Sometimes being blunt can be hurtful. From my own experience, often I think back of my mistakes of being too blunt which I regreted many times. I worked on my "bluntness" in my communication with others. Sometimes to be direct (blunt) that I may have hurt someone's feelings and I hate hurting someone's feelings.

I am very blunt. I always have been very blunt about my faith while at the same time, I have learned how to say when I am being blunt.

I always had issues with those love to use sarcasm. Often I do not hang around with those who uses sarcasm all the time or most of them. I hate getting confused to figure if they really meant it or not. :doh:

Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. The word comes from the late Latin word, sarcasmus, which, in turn, comes from the Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein - to bite the lips in rage,- from sarx, sark-, flesh - the root word literally means "to cut a piece of flesh (from the targeted person)." Sarcasm's aim is to belittle someone, and to laugh at their expense as "cutting" with it.

Sarcasm has no place in the believer's life because it is unbecoming a Christian (1 Corinthians 13:5 says "Love does not act unbecomingly"). Ephesians 5:4 "Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving." Sarcasm humor may not be funny to the victim but its funny to those who understand the barb as it feeds their intellectual egos. Sarcasm is scornful, contemptuous and taunting. Proverbs 21:24 The proud and arrogant man-"Mocker" is his name; he behaves with overweening pride.

Proverbs 29:9 (The Message) A sage trying to work things out with a fool gets only scorn and sarcasm for his trouble.

1 Peter 3:8 (The Message) Be agreeable, be sympathetic, be loving, be compassionate, be humble. That goes for all of you, no exceptions. No retaliation. No sharp-tongued sarcasm. Instead, bless—that's your job, to bless. You'll be a blessing and also get a blessing. Whoever wants to embrace life and see the day fill up with good, Here's what you do: Say nothing evil or hurtful; Snub evil and cultivate good; run after peace for all you're worth. God looks on all this with approval, listening and responding well to what he's asked; But he turns his back on those who do evil things.

People don't think sarcasm is a big issue but rather, it is because sarcasm is much like a bee sting. When a bee stings, the direct hit of poison causes immediate pain and inflammation.

Sarcasm is one of the oldest military strategies is to "divide and conquer". Many including Christians, have adopted this to practice this to defeat the enemies rather than relying on GRACE.

Often, it is reported that within the marriage sarcasm is one of the most harmful verbal tactics used against a spouse and destroys communication and unity in marriage and one of the leading causes of communication breakdown. While humor may appear to soften the blow, the unseen emotional damage of sarcasm can be devastating that may never be recovered. Sarcastic environment robs a marriage of peace and joy, two fruits of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in a Christian’s life (Galatians 5:22-23). Sarcasm HURTS the intimacy between a husband and wife.

[JimfromOhio]

Well, I am off to watch a movie with my family. The movie is called "Happy Feet". :wave:

[MrJim]

Well, I am off to watch a movie with my family. The movie is called "Happy Feet". :wave:

the penguin thing, right?

[MrJim]

Sarcasm's aim is to belittle someone, and to laugh at their expense as "cutting" with it.

Sarcasm is the backbone of comedy these days~just watch an episode of Raymond (that's the one that comes to mind :sorry: ) and sarcasm is all it is, guess that's why it comes so easily to the tongue...

[Rep Daddy]

Sarcasm has no place in the believer's life because it is unbecoming a Christian
Elijah: And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. (1 Kings 18:27)


Jesus: " You blind guides, which strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel." (Matt. 23:24)

Jesus: "Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said." (John 18:21)

[Lisa0315]

I am purdy sure that Jesus was being a bit sarcastic when He called that woman a dog too. :D Atheist questions kill me, but you know, it really makes you study.

Lisa

[Miss Shelby]

Well, I am off to watch a movie with my family. The movie is called "Happy Feet". :wave:
Oh thanks, man. Just make us feel completely HORRIBLE and then go watch your happy movie. I see how ya are.



that was a little sarcastic, wasn't it?

[Lisa0315]

Oh thanks, man. Just make us feel completely HORRIBLE and then go watch your happy movie. I see how ya are.



that was a little sarcastic, wasn't it?

^_^

[mont974x4]

nnnooooo



















:P

[SwirlingEd]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor anyway... :P Satire is the highest. Gotta love me some satire.

[Rep Daddy]

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[GreenMunchkin]

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Pffbbffft. That's not satirical. It's not even ironic. That there is a deadly serious support group for a deadly serious addiction.

Maybe we should start quoting Monty Python more... :scratch:

[mont974x4]

"We are the knights who say..."

[JimfromOhio]

Elijah: And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. (1 Kings 18:27)


Jesus: " You blind guides, which strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel." (Matt. 23:24)

Jesus: "Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said." (John 18:21)






Of course, there were sarcasm in the Bible but the point I noticed that there were not many sarcasm except when it was needed. Some of Jesus responses to the Pharisees "have you not even read" with a bit of sarcasm there, exposing their ignorance. If we used sarcasm too much, then we would not know the difference between if someone is really meant it or being sarcastic.

I use sarcasm when the timing is right and often with humor.

Anyway, the topic is not about sarcasm but rather how we say the words to others and forgetting putting yourself in their shoes when they read the words.

[JimfromOhio]

the penguin thing, right?

dancing penguins. :)

[mont974x4]

poor flightless waterfowl just couldn't sing...very sad.

[Lisa0315]

Of course, there were sarcasm in the Bible but the point I noticed that there were not many sarcasm except when it was needed. Some of Jesus responses to the Pharisees "have you not even read" with a bit of sarcasm there, exposing their ignorance. If we used sarcasm too much, then we would not know the difference between if someone is really meant it or being sarcastic.

I use sarcasm when the timing is right and often with humor.

Anyway, the topic is not about sarcasm but rather how we say the words to others and forgetting putting yourself in their shoes when they read the words.

Ding! Ding! That really resonated with me. It is kind of like spanking children. If you do it for every little offense, it is not at all effective. If you reserve it for the very serious offenses, then, it is meaningful and the child never forgets it.

Lisa

[JimfromOhio]

poor flightless waterfowl just couldn't sing...very sad.

True but he is a better dancer. :P

My family loves the movie. Heck, there were group of penquins who love being sarcastic. ^_^

[JimfromOhio]

Ding! Ding! That really resonated with me. It is kind of like spanking children. If you do it for every little offense, it is not at all effective. If you reserve it for the very serious offenses, then, it is meaningful and the child never forgets it.

Lisa

Yep.. there are some posters here to use sarcsam too much and there come to a point I don't know when they are serious or being sarcastic. I tend to tune them out to avoid making myself frustrated to figure them out. :doh:

[Rep Daddy]

Yep.. there are some posters here to use sarcsam too much and there come to a point I don't know when they are serious or being sarcastic. I tend to tune them out to avoid making myself frustrated to figure them out. :doh:

poor Jim. I'll use the ;) to help out.

[Lisa0315]

poor Jim. I'll use the ;) to help out.

Oh, we KNOW when you are being sarcastic, sardonic, and utterly witty (witless?)

You are the king of the one liners. LOL!

Lisa

[SolomonVII]

I am purdy sure that Jesus was being a bit sarcastic when He called that woman a dog too. :D Atheist questions kill me, but you know, it really makes you study.

Lisa
I heard that 'dog' was a derogatory term that Jews used in Jesus' time to refer to gentiles.

Because he was a Jew, and in a sense initially acting like a the Jew he often steroptyped in the Gospels, (reluctant to give but a scrap to a dog under the table), I sense a touch of sardonic wryness in this term for Jesus too. As a Jew himself-and necessarily so!, there is an element of self-deprecation in his using this term, for the faith of this gentile woman contrasts so favorably with the often faithless aspects of his own Hebrew people.

All in all, sarcasm is said to be the lowest form of wit, but the irony in some of the things that Jesus says brings his low-ball humor and hyperbole to an entirely different level than what may appear on the surface.
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And what kills me about (so many) athiests is their inability to go under the surface and delve into any of the Gospels that they critique. By focussing on the plot, the theme of the story is too often missed entirely by them.

[DerSchweik]

Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. The word comes from the late Latin word, sarcasmus, which, in turn, comes from the Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein - to bite the lips in rage,- from sarx, sark-, flesh - the root word literally means "to cut a piece of flesh (from the targeted person)." Sarcasm's aim is to belittle someone, and to laugh at their expense as "cutting" with it.

Sarcasm has no place in the believer's life because it is unbecoming a Christian (1 Corinthians 13:5 says "Love does not act unbecomingly"). Ephesians 5:4 "Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving." Sarcasm humor may not be funny to the victim but its funny to those who understand the barb as it feeds their intellectual egos. Sarcasm is scornful, contemptuous and taunting. Proverbs 21:24 The proud and arrogant man-"Mocker" is his name; he behaves with overweening pride.

Proverbs 29:9 (The Message) A sage trying to work things out with a fool gets only scorn and sarcasm for his trouble.

1 Peter 3:8 (The Message) Be agreeable, be sympathetic, be loving, be compassionate, be humble. That goes for all of you, no exceptions. No retaliation. No sharp-tongued sarcasm. Instead, bless—that's your job, to bless. You'll be a blessing and also get a blessing. Whoever wants to embrace life and see the day fill up with good, Here's what you do: Say nothing evil or hurtful; Snub evil and cultivate good; run after peace for all you're worth. God looks on all this with approval, listening and responding well to what he's asked; But he turns his back on those who do evil things.

People don't think sarcasm is a big issue but rather, it is because sarcasm is much like a bee sting. When a bee stings, the direct hit of poison causes immediate pain and inflammation.

Sarcasm is one of the oldest military strategies is to "divide and conquer". Many including Christians, have adopted this to practice this to defeat the enemies rather than relying on GRACE.


Well, I agree. I think it is an excellent insight and worthy of comment and discussion. Sarcasm is unbecoming the Christian.

"I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven... for if you love those who love you, what reward hve you?... and if you greet your brothers only, what more do you do than others?" Mt 5:43-48

We who are "saved by [God's] grace" are often quick to forget the meaning of the word when it comes to our own actions. We say: grace is receiving something good and wonderful that we do not deserve; mercy is not receiving something bad [e.g. punishment] that we do deserve.

But we rarely talk about extending grace and mercy to others.

Rather than displaying dispositions that are characteristically generous or indulgent towards those who disagree with us, we end up looking kind of clumsy and inept, lacking in charm or refinement. We can often come across as the "Raymonds" of TV, rather than the Cary Grants of the golden screen.

Sarcasm is rooted in pride. It struts and stomps, rather than gliding along smoothly. It lacks the motions of seemingly effortless beauty or charm - of well, grace.

We feel offended when attacked, when lies are spoken of us and our beliefs, when accusations are leveled that are wrong or hurtful, when derided, laughed at, or ridiculed. We feel the need (or more aptly, an urge) to mount a defense when attacked or accused thus.

Consider the grace Jesus demonstrated throughout the gospels, how many offenses like the above He had to endure against Himself. How did He respond? The examples are too numerous to list, but consider His response to the crowd who sought to stone the adulterous woman - brethren, THAT was smooth and graceful! Consider those who sought to trap Him regarding the poll tax, graceful.

We are told to "contend earnestly for the faith," but all too often we end up being contentious for the faith instead - and usually on our own behalf. We should ask ourselves when offended as Christians if we are being zealous for the faith, or are we merely defending our own injured pride?

Jesus ALWAYS, and wisely, used the situations where He found Himself under attack as opportunities to further His gospel, never to defend His person. He was only able to do that by being gracious, by extending courtesies where they weren't always warranted.

"Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned, as it were, with salt, so that you may know how you should respond to each person." Col 4:5f.


My prayer for us is that we learn how to deal with those who disagree with us, and those who persecute us, that we respond gracefully, as with purpose in the opportunity, that we might be more like our own gracious Lord, and just as fruitful.

[Lisa0315]

I heard that 'dog' was a derogatory term that Jews used in Jesus' time to refer to gentiles.

Because he was a Jew, and in a sense initially acting like a the Jew he often steroptyped in the Gospels, (reluctant to give but a scrap to a dog under the table), I sense a touch of sardonic wryness in this term for Jesus too. As a Jew himself-and necessarily so!, there is an element of self-deprecation in his using this term, for the faith of this gentile woman contrasts so favorably with the often faithless aspects of his own Hebrew people.

All in all, sarcasm is said to be the lowest form of wit, but the irony in some of the things that Jesus says brings his low-ball humor and hyperbole to an entirely different level than what may appear on the surface.
....................
And what kills me about (so many) athiests is their inability to go under the surface and delve into any of the Gospels that they critique. By focussing on the plot, the theme of the story is too often missed entirely by them.

Yep, that is exactly right. I heard a sermon about that once by Greg Laurie. The disciples still had a bit of that Jewish Nationalism and looked down on the copy cat Samaritans. So, when Jesus called her a dog, I can almost see Him winking at her when He says it. He was making a point to His disciples, one they would not soon forget.

It just thrills me though to think of Jesus laughing, or picking around at people.

Lisa

[JimfromOhio]

Well, I agree. I think it is an excellent insight and worthy of comment and discussion. Sarcasm is unbecoming the Christian.

"I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven... for if you love those who love you, what reward hve you?... and if you greet your brothers only, what more do you do than others?" Mt 5:43-48

We who are "saved by [God's] grace" are often quick to forget the meaning of the word when it comes to our own actions. We say: grace is receiving something good and wonderful that we do not deserve; mercy is not receiving something bad [e.g. punishment] that we do deserve.

But we rarely talk about extending grace and mercy to others.

Rather than displaying dispositions that are characteristically generous or indulgent towards those who disagree with us, we end up looking kind of clumsy and inept, lacking in charm or refinement. We can often come across as the "Raymonds" of TV, rather than the Cary Grants of the golden screen.

Sarcasm is rooted in pride. It struts and stomps, rather than gliding along smoothly. It lacks the motions of seemingly effortless beauty or charm - of well, grace.

We feel offended when attacked, when lies are spoken of us and our beliefs, when accusations are leveled that are wrong or hurtful, when derided, laughed at, or ridiculed. We feel the need (or more aptly, an urge) to mount a defense when attacked or accused thus.

Consider the grace Jesus demonstrated throughout the gospels, how many offenses like the above He had to endure against Himself. How did He respond? The examples are too numerous to list, but consider His response to the crowd who sought to stone the adulterous woman - brethren, THAT was smooth and graceful! Consider those who sought to trap Him regarding the poll tax, graceful.

We are told to "contend earnestly for the faith," but all too often we end up being contentious for the faith instead - and usually on our own behalf. We should ask ourselves when offended as Christians if we are being zealous for the faith, or are we merely defending our own injured pride?

Jesus ALWAYS, and wisely, used the situations where He found Himself under attack as opportunities to further His gospel, never to defend His person. He was only able to do that by being gracious, by extending courtesies where they weren't always warranted.

"Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned, as it were, with salt, so that you may know how you should respond to each person." Col 4:5f.


My prayer for us is that we learn how to deal with those who disagree with us, and those who persecute us, that we respond gracefully, as with purpose in the opportunity, that we might be more like our own gracious Lord, and just as fruitful.

Great post. :thumbsup: :amen:

[Voegelin]

Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" was pretty good. Got the point across well. Sarcasm has its place as Fedor Dostoyevsky noted. It is, he wrote, "the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded."