possible suggestion

[Nadiine]

This is going to be my last attempt to try to work out some possible solutions for a while (other than with Tangeloper who came in later as a breath of fresh air and has spoken to me directly in talking this over)-

becuz it seems the more I try to deal with it the more people are attacking and fighting with me and frankly I'm sick to death of being right in the middle of it.
:sick: :swoon: :doh:

Moving along... I took some time to check out the structure of the WWMC forum, and noticed that they have a special thread set up for conservative Christian fellowship (or whatever it's called).

Would it be a good or bad idea to make a thread for conservatives here to use THAT thread to fellowship w/ liberals like they do at WWMC with conservatives?

That way, I think everybody is appeased & respected - you can fellowship with them here & they can come here, and it doesn't get forced onto all the rest of the members here who have concerns about losing the conservative meaning or balance of numbers.
That's not to say they cannot post elsewhere on the board, but it's at least a place that welcomes them specifically which seems to be what is wanted.

If it is something that is wanted, I would like to be and would be very happy to be the one to create a thread just for them as a welcoming gesture to come and fellowship with CC members and see if that doesn't settle both sides of our issues?
(unless there already is one here and I haven't seen it)
hopefully try to create a fresh new start and a peaceful gesture on my part.

So with that, I'll end my efforts to try to help at least for awhile - you guys can try or leave it alone.

I'll read here & make the thread if you guys agree that it might help get us to a middle ground??

[Rochir]

Would it be a good or bad idea to make a thread for conservatives here to use THAT thread to fellowship w/ liberals like they do at WWMC with conservatives?


Yes, yes, (before you get upset) I have no voice here, but I believe YES - such a paralell thread would be a GOOD idea to heal the rift between our fora!

It goes well over in WWMC, liberals and conservatives alike posting silly things.... it's a fluff thread!

But if we saw that you here too can just be welcoming and "fluff".... I believe it would help!:)

[GreenMunchkin]

Look, we NEVER said we would actively prevent people from fellowshipping, regardless of where they're from.

You're not addressing the actual problem. Only the "problem" you see.

[Lisa0315]

Nadine, I truly love you for your suggestion, but I think it would not be a good idea. I will of course go along with whatever the forum wants but I think that at this time, it may cause more fighting. On the other hand, maybe, if we are beating them up, we won't beat up on each other.

ITS A JOKE! ITS A JOKE!

Seriously, it is okay with me if that is what folks want, but I am not crazy about the idea. I do like the heart behind the idea.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

We NEVER said we would actively prevent people from fellowshipping, regardless of where they're from.

You're not even beginning to address the actual problem. Only the "problem" you see.
DID WE EVER FIND THE REAL PROBLEM?? there's threads going on right now trying to find the source -
that one issue is what I know several here take issue with (for the future).

It's also NOT the only problem I see. (nor did I say it was) - it is what I believe ONE of them is for a group of people here.

So tell me GM WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM since you seem to know more than me or others here.
I'd love to know it, becuz I've been trying to work on just that very thing for weeks.

[GreenMunchkin]

DID WE EVER FIND THE REAL PROBLEM?? there's threads going on right now trying to find the source -
that one issue is what I know several here take issue with (for the future).

It's also NOT the only problem I see. (nor did I say it was) - it is what I believe ONE of them is for a group of people here.

So tell me GM WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PROBLEM since you seem to know more than me or others here.
I'd love to know it, becuz I've been trying to work on just that very thing for weeks.The bits in red. What on earth are you talking about.

The lack of self-awareness in that post makes me weep.

[Lisa0315]

Alright, y'all are still a bit sore from earlier, right? As the Official Stick My Nose into Everyone's Business Coordinator, I command you to choose: 1)Hug and make up, or 2) Like monkeys, climb a tree and throw poop at each other.

Which is it going to be? Huh? Huh? Speak up!

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Alright, y'all are still a bit sore from earlier, right? As the Official Stick My Nose into Everyone's Business Coordinator, I command you to choose: 1)Hug and make up, or 2) Like monkeys, climb a tree and throw poop at each other.

Which is it going to be? Huh? Huh? Speak up!

LisaI'll be choosing the ignore option :)

I expect it'll make my time here much more pleasant.

[Nadiine]

I'll be choosing the ignore option :)

I expect it'll make my time here much more pleasant.
thanks GM - appreciated.

by the way, next time you correct us all to show love to other people, please clarify to us that it means ONLY the ones you like and who agree with you.

I find this post rude as well.

[Lisa0315]

Okay, y'all asked for it!

http://mcmillenonline.com/phpforums/templates/Cobalt/images/logo_phpbb.jpg (http://mcmillenonline.com/phpforums/index.php?sid=6d803964b8e327dba9ced2d1d51280c4)

[ladybug1980]

are conservatives permitted to post in the liberal forum other than the fellowship thread in that forum?

if not then what applies to conservatives on that forum should probably apply to liberals on this forum,

maybe there should be a new Liberal-Conservative-Debate subforum instead (yikes that would really be explosive - think this forum is explosive?:D) so that we can maintain some exclusivity from the Liberal forum with the exception of the possible fellowship thread you are contemplating. cuz I think a conservative forum should in essence be just that. if people are not in accordance with conservative ideas then this forum is not for them; in other words they can find a place/subforum that is more in tune with the strength or liberalism of their beliefs . not that such people aren't welcome to come here per se. the thing is though that I don't think that the conservative forum owes the liberal forum anything. hope that doesn't sound harsh. I'm not saying we are permitted to be harsh with liberals, I am saying that as a conservative forum, we shouldn't feel obligated to placate those who proclaim themselves as liberals...but if we as conservatives care to defend certain issues more staunchly with scriptural references for substantiation, that is the conservatives' business. it certainly isn't heretical nor should it be, to defend whatever part of the gospel we believe in simply because the Bible itself is the Word of God, so everything in the Bible is; if one doesn't feel onself as conservative, then the one thing that probably should be done is to seek another subforum that will make you feel at ease; because if the shoe were on the other foot, the liberal forum would not bend over backwards to let conservative ideas pervade the forum

I kinda hope that I don't exacerbate the current cyclone here:)But oh well.

[Hentenza]

I think that if we all start singing the following song everything will take care of itself.:D

All You Need Is Love

The Beatles

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

[Nadiine]

I think that if we all start singing the following song everything will take care of itself.:D

All You Need Is Love

The Beatles

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

I wonder how it would be received if i was the one saying crap like what was displayed there.... doesn't make me feel too comfy as a member when it's a Mod either -- who shouldn't be doing that publically imho.

[Hentenza]

I wonder how it would be received if i was the one saying crap like what was displayed there.... doesn't make me feel too comfy as a member when it's a Mod either who shouldn't be doing that publically imho.

Ok back up. My post was a joke trying to lighten things. Can you explain your post?

[Athene]

are conservatives permitted to post in the liberal forum other than the fellowship thread in that forum?


Conservative Christians are permitted to post in any thread in WWMC, we do however ask that you respect our views (we don't expect you to agree with them. :))


To maintain an atmosphere of love and respect in WWMC, there will be no proselytizing or overt insulting of Liberal beliefs in the forum. For the purpose of this rule, proselytizing includes but is not limited to:
assertions that Liberal Christians are not Christian
assertions that Liberal Christians generally "condone sin," "rationalize their sin," or "fail to stand for the truth." (please see section on Dogmatism below)
attempts to persuade Liberal Christians that it is wrong or sinful to be a Liberal Christian.

Hope that helps.

[Rochir]

are conservatives permitted to post in the liberal forum other than the fellowship thread in that forum?



Yes! :) As long as you follow our rules!:wave:

[Joykins]

:wave: from WWMC wiki person here...

are conservatives permitted to post in the liberal forum other than the fellowship thread in that forum?

Yes, as long as you are not liberal-bashing or insulting liberals or their beliefs (as noted in Athene's post above) you are free to come and post your opinions :)


if not then what applies to conservatives on that forum should probably apply to liberals on this forum,

I don't get the impression that the regulars here would like that, considering the few restrictions WWMC has.


maybe there should be a new Liberal-Conservative-Debate subforum instead (yikes that would really be explosive - think this forum is explosive?:D) so that we can maintain some exclusivity from the Liberal forum with the exception of the possible fellowship thread you are contemplating. cuz I think a conservative forum should in essence be just that. if people are not in accordance with conservative ideas then this forum is not for them; in other words they can find a place/subforum that is more in tune with the strength or liberalism of their beliefs . not that such people aren't welcome to come here per se. the thing is though that I don't think that the conservative forum owes the liberal forum anything. hope that doesn't sound harsh. I'm not saying we are permitted to be harsh with liberals, I am saying that as a conservative forum, we shouldn't feel obligated to placate those who proclaim themselves as liberals...but if we as conservatives care to defend certain issues more staunchly with scriptural references for substantiation, that is the conservatives' business. it certainly isn't heretical nor should it be, to defend whatever part of the gospel we believe in simply because the Bible itself is the Word of God, so everything in the Bible is; if one doesn't feel onself as conservative, then the one thing that probably should be done is to seek another subforum that will make you feel at ease; because if the shoe were on the other foot, the liberal forum would not bend over backwards to let conservative ideas pervade the forum

I kinda hope that I don't exacerbate the current cyclone here:)But oh well.

I think what you say is eminently reasonable. This is your home and when non-residents come as guests they should behave as guests.

I don't think the recent issues in this forum have much to do with liberals from WWMC, but a fellowship thread is always a nice thing to have :)

[ladybug1980]

Ok:)thanks for the clear-up.

[Rochir]

I don't think the recent issues in this forum have much to do with liberals from WWMC, but a fellowship thread is always a nice thing to have :)

^ QFT!

[Criada]

I post in a lot of threads at WWMC, and to be honest, have been treated more courteously there than many are here.
:sigh:

And, for what it's worth, Nadine, I thought it was a good idea...tho probably not the whole solution.
God bless you for trying. :hug:

[Tangeloper]

Nadine, I truly love you for your suggestion, but I think it would not be a good idea. I will of course go along with whatever the forum wants but I think that at this time, it may cause more fighting. On the other hand, maybe, if we are beating them up, we won't beat up on each other.

ITS A JOKE! ITS A JOKE!

Seriously, it is okay with me if that is what folks want, but I am not crazy about the idea. I do like the heart behind the idea.

Lisa
I'm thinking this would be somewhat similar to the thread GM started a LONG time ago when this forum was first started, and if I remember correctly that did NOT go well...

[Tangeloper]

Not that it's a bad idea, Nadiine... Just that the last time we tried to "heal" the rift between us it didn't go too well...

[Nadiine]

I'm thinking this would be somewhat similar to the thread GM started a LONG time ago when this forum was first started, and if I remember correctly that did NOT go well...
Can I ask what happened? - I know we have rules to abide by.

I was HOPING to try to appease 2 groups... or even 3 groups if you want to include WWMC... I mean, they can already come here and have been, so I thought maybe a specific spot might help alleviate things on all fronts.

This is also the reason I didn't just jump out there and take it upon myself to make the thread without getting all your input.
I want to respect my fellow members and hear opinions.
If people don't want that, I'm fine with that too. I just want peace here if this is part of the possible problem or concerns for the future here.

Thanks for your input :wave:

[Tangeloper]

Can I ask what happened? - I know we have rules to abide by.

I was HOPING to try to appease 2 groups... or even 3 groups if you want to include WWMC... I mean, they can already come here and have been, so I thought maybe a specific spot might help alleviate things on all fronts.

This is also the reason I didn't just jump out there and take it upon myself to make the thread without getting all your input.
I want to respect my fellow members and hear opinions.
If people don't want that, I'm fine with that too. I just want peace here if this is part of the possible problem or concerns for the future here.

Thanks for your input :wave:
I'm just going on what I recall, and perhaps your idea is somewhat different. Several months ago GM started a thread that was intended to try and allow us to "get to know each other" and sort out the problems between our forums, and it basically just flamed emotions. I remember particularly that the companion thread in the WWMC was found to be very offensive to many CC members.

Perhaps a purely fellowship, or "fluff" thread would be somewhat different if it's not meant to be a place to hash out the differences, because IMHO there is not a lot of common ground in reference to theology and world-views to make that possible... Plus, it would only work if ALL the members of CC and WWMC came together in one place at one time, and on an internet forum I just do not see that happening -- especially because there, I feel, are some people that truly don't want peace, and seem to enjoy riling people up and enjoy seeing the strife in here... I'm not talking about certain people in particular, just that we seem to get our fair share of Trolls and, yes, others that seem to be on the borderline...

[Nadiine]

I'm just going on what I recall, and perhaps your idea is somewhat different. Several months ago GM started a thread that was intended to try and allow us to "get to know each other" and sort out the problems between our forums, and it basically just flamed emotions. I remember particularly that the companion thread in the WWMC was found to be very offensive to many CC members.

Perhaps a purely fellowship, or "fluff" thread would be somewhat different if it's not meant to be a place to hash out the differences, because IMHO there is not a lot of common ground in reference to theology and world-views to make that possible... Plus, it would only work if ALL the members of CC and WWMC came together in one place at one time, and on an internet forum I just do not see that happening -- especially because there, I feel, are some people that truly don't want peace, and seem to enjoy riling people up and enjoy seeing the strife in here... I'm not talking about certain people in particular, just that we seem to get our fair share of Trolls and, yes, others that seem to be on the borderline...
Well that's really interesting. So that was even before the whole T2BC thing where GM was trying to get the 2 sections together and iron out differences? :scratch:

And yes, my thread idea was a purely "fluff" basis - not for uniting or fixing anything specifically (assuming it needed fixing at all). Yes I'm very aware of the theological divides and know what you're talking about.

Which went to why it would have to be a fellowship thread only -- any discussion past weather and sports turns into a bloodbath with no common ground.
The peace can basically only be on a superficial basis. (at least in a Christian/spiritual forum format like this).

I do have some liberal friends... but we have to completely stay off of religion & politics & morality subjects which is a little limiting. LOL But if we don't, we know we'll be at each other's throats.
The tension is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

We already had one minor blowup last Christmas where one of them drank too much and decided it was DEBATE TIME after dinner. :swoon:
Believe it or not, I didn't join in! lolol I just knew where it would go (and it did).

Anyways, thanks for the clarification

[Simon_Templar]

First off, my sentiments here are in no way "personal" so don't take them as attacks etc, This is my honest dispassionate view of things.

Several times in this thread the phrase "heal the rift between us" or between our fora, has been used regarding CC and WWMC.

From my point of view the "Rift" that exists is between liberalism as a worldview, and biblical truth.

I have never had a problem with Liberals posting here in CC so long as they abide by the rules of the forum and don't argue with our stated beliefs. I have never reported a liberal for posting here, even for debating in threads here.
As long as it doesn't become a situation where I'm constantly having to defend the basic beliefs of the forum here, I would rather simply talk to people no matter what their background is.

I don't go to WWMC because I'm not interested in causing trouble, I'm not interested in debating with liberals (which I've done PLENTY of), and I'm not interested in pretending that we are all the same really, because we aren't. We have fundamentally different beliefs.

Thus, whatever "rift" exists, goes WAY beyond any kind of personal animus, or arguing, and it isn't going to be fixed by pretending that its not there.
If people want to make some kind of fellowship thread, I'm not really against it, I just don't see the point of it, nor a need for it.
I oppose the idea of telling people that they can't post openly in the forum even if they are following the rules. There is no need for that either.

[Lisa0315]

I'm just going on what I recall, and perhaps your idea is somewhat different. Several months ago GM started a thread that was intended to try and allow us to "get to know each other" and sort out the problems between our forums, and it basically just flamed emotions. I remember particularly that the companion thread in the WWMC was found to be very offensive to many CC members.

Perhaps a purely fellowship, or "fluff" thread would be somewhat different if it's not meant to be a place to hash out the differences, because IMHO there is not a lot of common ground in reference to theology and world-views to make that possible... Plus, it would only work if ALL the members of CC and WWMC came together in one place at one time, and on an internet forum I just do not see that happening -- especially because there, I feel, are some people that truly don't want peace, and seem to enjoy riling people up and enjoy seeing the strife in here... I'm not talking about certain people in particular, just that we seem to get our fair share of Trolls and, yes, others that seem to be on the borderline...

Oh...The Bridging the Gap threads, I remember those now. I didn't participate on either side so I don't know how they went. I just remembered thinking that it was like trying to combine water and oil.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

Oh...The Bridging the Gap threads, I remember those now. I didn't participate on either side so I don't know how they went. I just remembered thinking that it was like trying to combine water and oil.

Lisa
editing

[Criada]

http://foru.ms/t5742661-bridging-the-gap.html

[Nadiine]

First off, my sentiments here are in no way "personal" so don't take them as attacks etc, This is my honest dispassionate view of things.

Several times in this thread the phrase "heal the rift between us" or between our fora, has been used regarding CC and WWMC.

From my point of view the "Rift" that exists is between liberalism as a worldview, and biblical truth.

I have never had a problem with Liberals posting here in CC so long as they abide by the rules of the forum and don't argue with our stated beliefs. I have never reported a liberal for posting here, even for debating in threads here.
As long as it doesn't become a situation where I'm constantly having to defend the basic beliefs of the forum here, I would rather simply talk to people no matter what their background is.

I don't go to WWMC because I'm not interested in causing trouble, I'm not interested in debating with liberals (which I've done PLENTY of), and I'm not interested in pretending that we are all the same really, because we aren't. We have fundamentally different beliefs.

Thus, whatever "rift" exists, goes WAY beyond any kind of personal animus, or arguing, and it isn't going to be fixed by pretending that its not there.
If people want to make some kind of fellowship thread, I'm not really against it, I just don't see the point of it, nor a need for it.
I oppose the idea of telling people that they can't post openly in the forum even if they are following the rules. There is no need for that either.
I agree w/ your post -- altho I'm alot more leary & skeptical becuz of what's being shown to me from IIDB - plus I have a pretty horrible background w/ them from the other ministries I was in...

Theologically I'm in full agreement w/ you - we all know the scriptural divides - they can't be ignored & swept under the carpet for sure.

My fellowship issues are separate to me, and I have valid reasons for my apprehensions; including what I find are biblical obedience issues for me.

My OP stated that this wasn't to 'keep them from posting in the regular threads'... I knew they could already. I just thought a separate thread FOR fluff & people who do want to hang out that way, could do so here and possibly appease some cc members in another way.
Besides, WWMC has that system going already & our cc people do go in there & use their thread.

[Tangeloper]

From my point of view the "Rift" that exists is between liberalism as a worldview, and biblical truth.

<snip>

I don't go to WWMC because I'm not interested in causing trouble, I'm not interested in debating with liberals (which I've done PLENTY of), and I'm not interested in pretending that we are all the same really, because we aren't. We have fundamentally different beliefs.

Thus, whatever "rift" exists, goes WAY beyond any kind of personal animus, or arguing, and it isn't going to be fixed by pretending that its not there.

I just wanted to comment that I completely agree with you on this. It goes far beyond this forum and any particular person or people...

Honestly this is what I have seen invading this forum for months.
NOTE: the following does NOT apply to those who are respectful of this forum as our home...
There are some liberals, and yes, some conservatives as well who cannot agree to disagree and let their emotions get the best of them. I don't know if it's that they enjoy arguing, or what... But, there are those who have come into this forum displaying this kind of an attitude. Real world prejudices and assumptions (political and social) carry over here and are clearly visible in the way we are treated (this is NOT to say that this never happens vice versa, but we are not in the WWMC right now....).

This is why, as you, I do not go into the WWMC because I do not agree with 90% of their political/social/theological views and if I did go there it would be very hard to hold my tongue, so I don't tempt myself... Debates between these two groups rightly belong in the Theology Debate or Political Debate Forums... NOT in the congregation areas (with the obvious exception of the Debate Threads in the CC Sub-Forum).

All I would like is for those people who disagree to show the same respect for us... If you cannot hold your tongue and/or be respectful just don't come in here. If there are people coming in here on a continual basis and all they do is stir up strife, and are disrespectful, baiting, etc... then they need to be warned and the have a FSB applied (according to procedures, of course).

Anyway, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night at all so I think I'll hold off on replying on this until tomorrow unless I think of something "earth-shattering" to share tonight! ^_^ I hope you all understand, and I'll be back tomorrow to discuss this when I'm refreshed and can make more sense! LOL God bless you all and have a great night! :)

[Nadiine]

http://foru.ms/t5742661-bridging-the-gap.html
K, that was at WWMC... I already knew of those. I thought this was done HERE in CC.

[Criada]

http://foru.ms/t5742681

Sorry - wrong one! This is the CC one.

[Nadiine]

yes tangeloper, I do understand, you need sleep or the posts start seeming like you either need meds, or you've had a few too many. ^_^

[GreenMunchkin]

I've had enough of this.

If I'm a liberal, start a re-call to have me removed.

I wanted to end the war after 7/7/7. I never wanted "unity"; I just wanted people to not hurt, anymore.

Have seriously had enough.

You can approach Jim47 about my being removed as mod.

[Nadiine]

I've had enough of this.

If I'm a liberal, start a re-call to have me removed.

I wanted to end the war after 7/7/7. I never wanted "unity"; I just wanted people to not hurt, anymore.

Have seriously had enough.

You can approach Jim47 about my being removed as mod.
here we go again

I don't recall one person here who said you were liberal.

I was TRYING to get input on a fluff thread - I didn't know you had one here before till just now.
I rarely read OP's at all (my settings are set up to read the last post first, so it takes me alot of work sometimes to get to the OP) - I often just go on what the people before me are discussing.

But it makes sense to me now what's going on & why these issues partly exist.

[Lisa0315]

K... I didn't know she was trying to bridge the gaps at all in here.... was this while T2BC was doing his Christian Definition project or going against the BM issue when all heck broke loose w/ them here or before that?

It would make sense of a few things for me tho. :idea:
Anyways I must not have been here yet - if so, I obviously wasn't involved either.

No, it was way, way back when the forum was first formed. Greenie is UBER Conservative. She has to check herself to keep from going off on Liberals. Do not mistake trying to fix things that were going on as a Liberal bent on her. Trust me on that.

What happened was, when we first set up this forum, we did have Liberals trying to join. We had them voting in our polls. We had them trolling so that they could report anything we said about Liberals. It was absolute chaos, believe it or not, worse in a way than the last weeks have been. The one thing it did do was unite us very, very strongly. I think that is the main reason that we did not have very much infighting. We were too busy fighting off the Libbies.

Anyway, we were trying to write our Statement, form our rules, elect our mods, and fight off Liberals. People began leaving (just like now) because it was so hot and heated all of the time. Greenie and I got into it a bit back then because I wanted to interrogate people before they came into the forum. We finally all settled on the no dual membership and that worked out quite a bit.

The next battle, which, I kind of fought in private and people are probably not too aware of this, but I had to fight to get the old school mods to apply the CCC rules. I was a new mod and I was fighting so hard to protect the members here. I felt like the Seniors did not comprehend what was going on with all the Liberal attacks on us.

Then, it took forever for Greenie to get her badge which again made us all paranoid as heck. Oh, and Julio lost his badge before he got good and started. There was a brewhaha over that too.

Then, for this brief short time, there was this wonderful peace and fellowship. This was the loveliest place on the whole board and people were really taking notice.

I think that is when Satan began attacking this place. It was just so full of love that even atheists were taking notice of it. I am dead serious. They were comfortable enough to come in and ask questions back then and we were taken seriously.

So, the next thing that happened was I got promoted to a Super A. Right before that I began rounding up new mods for the forum...Oh, that reminds me of another thing that happened.

I was the sole elected mod of CCC for the longest time. So, Tishri, without talking to anyone, she was trying to do a good thing, don't get me wrong, but we had all just been through so much...Anyway, she tried to give us an experienced mod. He started off on the wrong foot by posing as a sock, reporting Greenie, then, acting on the report under his mod name. Then, and only then, was a poll set up. Needless to say, he was NOT elected even though he turned out to be a pretty good guy.

So, I began rounding up new mods. That was when Time, Trekki, rmw, Karen, and I know I am forgetting someone here, forgive me whomever you are...came on board.

So, then, just a few days after we got their mod applications and polls started, I was promoted to Super A. There was <ahem> something that was not shared with me about that (confidential) so I turned it down and I was going to come back here to mod.

Before I could do that, I got into it with Erwin, big time! Big time, called him a tyrant and everything. I called for a rebellion or something to that effect. LOL! Anyway, that was over Moriah's ban that was against protocol btw...So, I resigned telling Erwin that I did not want to work for HIM. He pulled my badge so fast it made my head spin. :D

That brings us about up to date. When I resigned from staff, I took some time away. I was gone for about two weeks and came back to total chaos. I honestly couldn't tell you who or what started it because it was going on when I got back. I told someone that I had been back for two weeks, but actually I came back on the 17th. I think that is just exactly one week ago today.

Now, I admit in the early days, I was a big, big opponent of allowing Fundamentalists here. That is true. I was overruled on that and I have not complained since. I also got along with everyone. I had no idea that anyone was still carrying hurt over that. So, when I came back and saw the chaos, yes, my triggers went off, the ones I had been surpressing, and I did the stupid thread which was a bad mistake.

So, that is the history of CCC. I am sure others can chime in on more that I have probably forgotten.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

ps. I did nothing wrong with seeking members on what they want or don't want in a thread either.
I won't accept blame for it since that's probly where that will lead.

[Lisa0315]

I've had enough of this.

If I'm a liberal, start a re-call to have me removed.

I wanted to end the war after 7/7/7. I never wanted "unity"; I just wanted people to not hurt, anymore.

Have seriously had enough.

You can approach Jim47 about my being removed as mod.

No, no, and no. I will vouch for you.

This is something I never told you before. I actually came close to not voting for you in your mod poll. The reason was because you were so anti-liberal. I am telling you that now because people need to know that being a peacemaker does not mean one is a liberal.

I was concerned that you may not be able to contain your temper when Rochir or others came in here. That was why I told you how proud I was of you and how seasoned in your role you have grown.

You are a magnificent woman and the UBER GREEN MODDING MACHINE! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! :hug:

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

ps. I did nothing wrong with seeking members on what they want or don't want in a thread either.
I won't accept blame for it since that's probly where that will lead.

You haven't done anything wrong with starting this thread either. Dang it. Stop beating yourself up!

C'mon, put your little ole head right here. There you go. Its alright now. :hug:

Lisa

[Nadiine]

No, it was way, way back when the forum was first formed. Greenie is UBER Conservative. She has to check herself to keep from going off on Liberals. Do not mistake trying to fix things that were going on as a Liberal bent on her. Trust me on that.

What happened was, when we first set up this forum, we did have Liberals trying to join. We had them voting in our polls. We had them trolling so that they could report anything we said about Liberals. It was absolute chaos, believe it or not, worse in a way than the last weeks have been. The one thing it did do was unite us very, very strongly. I think that is the main reason that we did not have very much infighting. We were too busy fighting off the Libbies.

Anyway, we were trying to write our Statement, form our rules, elect our mods, and fight off Liberals. People began leaving (just like now) because it was so hot and heated all of the time. Greenie and I got into it a bit back then because I wanted to interrogate people before they came into the forum. We finally all settled on the no dual membership and that worked out quite a bit.

The next battle, which, I kind of fought in private and people are probably not too aware of this, but I had to fight to get the old school mods to apply the CCC rules. I was a new mod and I was fighting so hard to protect the members here. I felt like the Seniors did not comprehend what was going on with all the Liberal attacks on us.

Then, it took forever for Greenie to get her badge which again made us all paranoid as heck. Oh, and Julio lost his badge before he got good and started. There was a brewhaha over that too.

Then, for this brief short time, there was this wonderful peace and fellowship. This was the loveliest place on the whole board and people were really taking notice.

I think that is when Satan began attacking this place. It was just so full of love that even atheists were taking notice of it. I am dead serious. They were comfortable enough to come in and ask questions back then and we were taken seriously.

So, the next thing that happened was I got promoted to a Super A. Right before that I began rounding up new mods for the forum...Oh, that reminds me of another thing that happened.

I was the sole elected mod of CCC for the longest time. So, Tishri, without talking to anyone, she was trying to do a good thing, don't get me wrong, but we had all just been through so much...Anyway, she tried to give us an experienced mod. He started off on the wrong foot by posing as a sock, reporting Greenie, then, acting on the report under his mod name. Then, and only then, was a poll set up. Needless to say, he was NOT elected even though he turned out to be a pretty good guy.

So, I began rounding up new mods. That was when Time, Trekki, rmw, Karen, and I know I am forgetting someone here, forgive me whomever you are...came on board.

So, then, just a few days after we got their mod applications and polls started, I was promoted to Super A. There was <ahem> something that was not shared with me about that (confidential) so I turned it down and I was going to come back here to mod.

Before I could do that, I got into it with Erwin, big time! Big time, called him a tyrant and everything. I called for a rebellion or something to that effect. LOL! Anyway, that was over Moriah's ban that was against protocol btw...So, I resigned telling Erwin that I did not want to work for HIM. He pulled my badge so fast it made my head spin. :D

That brings us about up to date. When I resigned from staff, I took some time away. I was gone for about two weeks and came back to total chaos. I honestly couldn't tell you who or what started it because it was going on when I got back. I told someone that I had been back for two weeks, but actually I came back on the 17th. I think that is just exactly one week ago today.

Now, I admit in the early days, I was a big, big opponent of allowing Fundamentalists here. That is true. I was overruled on that and I have not complained since. I also got along with everyone. I had no idea that anyone was still carrying hurt over that. So, when I came back and saw the chaos, yes, my triggers went off, the ones I had been surpressing, and I did the stupid thread which was a bad mistake.

So, that is the history of CCC. I am sure others can chime in on more that I have probably forgotten.

Lisa
WOW, that was a ton of typing for you there! lol
But thank you for all the background about that. I had to take a break from this place too - I was gone for 3 months and when I came back, it was less than 2 weeks before Erwins 'vision' when he changed the entire site over... so I had even missed the 7/7/7 changes.

Talk about culture shock when I came back! :eek: :help:

I felt like I came back to Cambodia during a war when that all hit. I'm sure that if I didn't take that 3 month break, I'd of been on my "break" (for sanity purposes) these 3 months (and somehow now I actually wish I had done it that way in hind sight) heh :help: :sigh:

Thanks for taking all that time and work to post that background - I'm sure it might help other people to know that too in case they had any questions about the history here.
:wave:

[Lisa0315]

WOW, that was a ton of typing for you there! lol
But thank you for all the background about that. I had to take a break from this place too - I was gone for 3 months and when I came back, it was less than 2 weeks before Erwins 'vision' when he changed the entire site over... so I had even missed the 7/7/7 changes.

Talk about culture shock when I came back! :eek: :help:

I felt like I came back to Cambodia during a war when that all hit. I'm sure that if I didn't take that 3 month break, I'd of been on my "break" (for sanity purposes) these 3 months (and somehow now I actually wish I had done it that way in hind sight) heh :help: :sigh:

Thanks for taking all that time and work to post that background - I'm sure it might help other people to know that too in case they had any questions about the history here.
:wave:

What is hilarious to me is that from the sounds of it, you would think all of that had taken years instead of just 4 months! :eek:

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

No, no, and no. I will vouch for you.

This is something I never told you before. I actually came close to not voting for you in your mod poll. The reason was because you were so anti-liberal. I am telling you that now because people need to know that being a peacemaker does not mean one is a liberal.

I was concerned that you may not be able to contain your temper when Rochir or others came in here. That was why I told you how proud I was of you and how seasoned in your role you have grown.

You are a magnificent woman and the UBER GREEN MODDING MACHINE! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! :hug:

LisaLisa, the spin and the two-faced crap and the self-deluded hubris in this thread is just... I don't even have the words. It's beginning to mess with my faith. I just pmed Jim about it cos am sitting here sobbing because of how revolting it is.

The intention is to make me look like some sort of "liberal mole" and have all of CC rise up against me, so am bypassing all of that. Just have me removed and be done with it.

I will not be talked about, and have things spun because of one person's ridiculous agenda. The double speak and the call for "peace" after the behaviour in here over the last month and the thread up in wiki is just the most astonishing case of hypocrisy I have ever had the misfortune to witness.

I think staff are supposed to be seen as robots or something. But we're members who volunteer, and have reached the end of my rope with this one. Speaking openly about "peace" while trying to malign someone is so insidiously manipulative.

And am not gonna put up with this, so if CC wants me removed, it needs to be done.

[Nadiine]

No, no, and no. I will vouch for you.

This is something I never told you before. I actually came close to not voting for you in your mod poll. The reason was because you were so anti-liberal. I am telling you that now because people need to know that being a peacemaker does not mean one is a liberal.

I was concerned that you may not be able to contain your temper when Rochir or others came in here. That was why I told you how proud I was of you and how seasoned in your role you have grown.

You are a magnificent woman and the UBER GREEN MODDING MACHINE! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! :hug:

Lisa
Color me confused... so she's ANTI liberal... yet reaches out to them more than I do (in fact, I do not at all and have held that position here)... and to unite ... and she thinks I'm here to try to entice liberals in by this thread?

Is it me she's viewing as the "peacemaker" which seems "liberal" to her??

I'm utterly baffled... maybe I need meds to comprehend what the heck is going on.

[Nadiine]

Lisa, the spin and the two-faced crap and the self-deluded hubris in this thread is just... I don't even have the words. It's beginning to mess with my faith. I just pmed Jim about it cos am sitting here sobbing because of how revolting it is.

The intention is to make me look like some sort of "liberal mole" and have all of CC rise up against me, so am bypassing all of that. Just have me removed and be done with it.

I will not be talked about, and have things spun because of one person's ridiculous agenda. The double speak and the call for "peace" after the behaviour in here over the last month and the thread up in wiki is just the most astonishing case of hypocrisy I have ever had the misfortune to witness.

I think staff are supposed to be seen as robots or something. But we're members who volunteer, and have reached the end of my rope with this one. Speaking openly about "peace" while trying to malign someone is so insidiously manipulative.

And am not gonna put up with this, so if CC wants me removed, it needs to be done.
what??
What does this have to do w/ you modding? YOU ARE A MEMBER HERE, ARE YOU NOT?

Do we not talk to you the same becuz your staff? I'm treating you AS another member.
This has ZERO to do w/ you modding... and it looks to me like this may be some issue you have.

[Nadiine]

WHO SAID I WANT YOU REMOVED????????

GM, you are now speaking out of line.

[Nadiine]

I absolutely refuse to take this blame (which I told you would happen several posts ago too)

[JimfromOhio]

Lisa, the spin and the two-faced crap and the self-deluded hubris in this thread is just... I don't even have the words. It's beginning to mess with my faith. I just pmed Jim about it cos am sitting here sobbing because of how revolting it is.

The intention is to make me look like some sort of "liberal mole" and have all of CC rise up against me, so am bypassing all of that. Just have me removed and be done with it.

I will not be talked about, and have things spun because of one person's ridiculous agenda. The double speak and the call for "peace" after the behaviour in here over the last month and the thread up in wiki is just the most astonishing case of hypocrisy I have ever had the misfortune to witness.

I think staff are supposed to be seen as robots or something. But we're members who volunteer, and have reached the end of my rope with this one. Speaking openly about "peace" while trying to malign someone is so insidiously manipulative.

And am not gonna put up with this, so if CC wants me removed, it needs to be done.

I think I know what you are coming from. Being a moderator and a member at the same time is hard, ESPECIALLY in this forum. Its hard when we talk about issues, often a person gets blamed rather than the "issue". :(

Let's wait and see before you really want to resign or not. Please? :pray: I like the way you moderate this forum. :thumbsup:

[Letalis]

GM, I won't let you be removed. :hug:

You're needed here.

[Lisa0315]

Color me confused... so she's ANTI liberal... yet reaches out to them more than I do (in fact, I do not at all and have held that position here)... and to unite ... and she thinks I'm here to try to entice liberals in by this thread?

Is it me she's viewing as the "peacemaker" which seems "liberal" to her??

I'm utterly baffled... maybe I need meds to comprehend what the heck is going on.

No, y'all are just wounded and bleeding and are both trying to accomplish the same thing. You are butting heads because you got too much pain still.

You are not trying to unite us with Liberals. You are just trying to get the fuss to stop. Greenie is not trying to unite us with Libbies. She is just trying to get the fuss stopped. Y'all are both actually trying to accomplish the same thing.

Believe me, GM has one of the biggest hearts on this board, but it is NOT bleeding.

Greenie has had to tone down her loathing for Liberal Doctrine because she is on staff. That is a problem that Time and Julio both ran into. There are different requirements for staff. They are plain just not as free as you and I to get into it with people.

Maybe those who have been on staff since the beginning can do it, but relatively new mods, and especially ANY mod of Tishri's cannot be aggressive in their posts to the "opposition". They have to ACT fair and unbiased even if they are SEETHING on the inside.

Mods are taught that they must mod from the middle, taking no sides. The rules are their only allegience. So, what you may perceive as a mod ruling against Conservative beliefs, it is more that a mod MUST choose to either be a mod or be an advocate for a cause. They cannot be both.

I think Julio and Time can both vouch for having run into that issue.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

I'm even more amazed at how no one seems to notice that I'm getting kicked in the teeth here, falsely accused, rude comments made about being 2 faced and trying to get her removed as a mod... and earlier crap --

just run comfort GM who's making all these wild allegations...

I'm utterly amazed at what I'm seeing - does anybody know anything about partiality being in the bible?

[GreenMunchkin]

I think I know what you are coming from. Being a moderator and a member at the same time is hard, ESPECIALLY in this forum. Its hard when we talk about issues, often a person gets blamed rather than the "issue". :(

Let's wait and see before you really want to resign or not. Please? :pray: I like the way you moderate this forum. :thumbsup:Thank you, Jim :hug: That means a lot to me. CC really does have *so* much potential :cry:

Am not going to resign. I will not be bullied out of CC. But staff can be recalled, and that's what's being angled for, so we'll see.

Thank you again. Am so grateful :hug:

[NewGuy101]

I'm even more amazed at how no one seems to notice that I'm getting kicked in the teeth here, falsely accused, rude comments made about being 2 faced and trying to get her removed as a mod... and earlier crap --

just run comfort GM who's making all these wild allegations...

I'm utterly amazed at what I'm seeing - does anybody know anything about partiality being in the bible?

I think people just dont want to be involved in this fued. =[

[Nadiine]

Thank you, Jim :hug: That means a lot to me. CC really does have *so* much potential :cry:

Am not going to resign. I will not be bullied out of CC. But staff can be recalled, and that's what's being angled for, so we'll see.

Thank you again. Am so grateful :hug:
who the heck is bullying you GM?
you show me one post I made asking that you be removed or resign or threatening you.

SHOW ME ONE.

[Nadiine]

I think people just dont want to be involved in this fued. =[
they're involving themselves....... just to go comfort someone who's making false and rude allegations that have ZERO merit or foundation.

[JimfromOhio]

Thank you, Jim :hug: That means a lot to me. CC really does have *so* much potential :cry:

Am not going to resign. I will not be bullied out of CC. But staff can be recalled, and that's what's being angled for, so we'll see.

Thank you again. Am so grateful :hug:

You are welcome sister. :thumbsup: I would not be a good moderator that requires much patience and being a mediator at the same time. This is why I have alot of respect for all moderators.

[Nadiine]

I can gaurantee you if I was saying this stuff and the rude crap from other threads like this, I'd be lynched right now -
and we all know that. This is more eye opening than the previous issues in this forum in my opinion

[Letalis]

they're involving themselves....... just to go comfort someone who's making false and rude allegations that have ZERO merit or foundation.
Someone is hurting, they deserve comfort.

[Nadiine]

Someone is hurting, they deserve comfort.
oh, but I'm not.... ?

[Letalis]

oh, but I'm not.... ?
:hug:

[Lisa0315]

they're involving themselves....... just to go comfort someone who's making false and rude allegations that have ZERO merit or foundation.

Remember that whole big story I told you? GM is precious to us, Nadine. It is not that we do not love you, but many of us have been through so much together. It is just natural for us to cling together.

It is not about being unfair to you although I understand why it seems unfair. Just try to understand that people are going to react very funny when they are hurt. Okay?

People are hurting. You are hurting. If Time were here, his natural inclination would be to come and comfort you. He wouldn't intend it as a slight against Greenie by doing that, right?

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, I won't let you be removed. :hug:

You're needed here.Thank you, Matt :hug:

But having to deal with this day in day out is just soul-destroying. It's crazy. They tell you that to be on staff you have to made of tough stuff, right, and it sounds ridiculous, but it's stuff like this. THIS is why. You need to harden up to be able to cope with crap like this. On a Christian forum. I truly don't understand it.

[JimfromOhio]

Someone is hurting, they deserve comfort.

I agree. No matter whether the comments were intentional or not, hurts can still happen. I have learned this a long time ago. My hurts of the past were not their problem - they were mine. I can control my emotions, or control my circumstances which create my emotions, but other than that, I need to accept and just let it go. I am thankful I have fellow members here that I can share my hurts with as Galatians 6:2 says "Bear one another's burdens". The burden of loving help which we are admonished to give to others: "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2)

[Nadiine]

Thank you, Matt :hug:

But having to deal with this day in day out is just soul-destroying. It's crazy. They tell you that to be on staff you have to made of tough stuff, right, and it sounds ridiculous, but it's stuff like this. THIS is why. You need to harden up to be able to cope with crap like this. On a Christian forum. I truly don't understand it.
Why do you keep taking this as if it's a mod issue?? It isn't. Are you not a member here?

The crap isn't from me either - quite the contrary. I'll keep waiting for your proof of me asking for you to resign too.

[JimfromOhio]

Two sides are hurting. Many are hurting.

Bearing one another hurts by comforting and solving problems. Solving the issues rather than trying to solve "people".

[NewGuy101]

oh, but I'm not.... ?

*hugs*

[Nadiine]

I agree. No matter whether the comments were intentional or not, hurts can still happen. I have learned this a long time ago. My hurts of the past were not their problem - they were mine. I can control my emotions, or control my circumstances which create my emotions, but other than that, I need to accept and just let it go. I am thankful I have fellow members here that I can share my hurts with as Galatians 6:2 says "Bear one another's burdens". The burden of loving help which we are admonished to give to others: "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2)
Can you show me ONE comment I made to her that's so rude???
In fact it was her comment in another thread that was rude to me... (which went ignored too).

[Jim47]

Sorry, but I think this thread needs a cooling off period. Will close till tommorow night, feel free to PM me of have another staff member re-open it, but lets please play nice. :)

[Jim47]

Sorry, but I think this thread needs a cooling off period. Will close till tommorow night, feel free to PM me of have another staff member re-open it, but lets please play nice. :)









I have just recieved a request from the OP to leave this thread closed permenantly. :)