If you break the Law

[zhilan]

Let's say you accidentally eat something and then after realize that it was not Kosher, like say it had pork in it or something. Yes, yes, I know normally one would never eat something without checking first, but just humor me here. What would you do when you found out? Would you consider it a sin? Would you need to perform some type of purification? Is there a certain prayer said upon accidentally breaking the Law?

I'm interested in both Messianic and traditional Jewish perspectives, so please, anyone share!

[visionary]

If it is still in the mouth, I immediately spit it out and quickly pray asking the Lord to forgive me. It is an instantaneous response unpon receipt of knowledge.

If however I find out later, after it has been digested, I get a "don't feel good" sensation in the stomach and again ask the Lord to forgive me.

Sorry that this is not some perscribed set rules of engagement regarding the handling of non-kosher, especially those listed under abomination.

[fritz300]

Well... honestly in my opinion, it would be SIN, it is still a transgression of the Law... which of course deserves repentance... but the confusing part is how often do we eat stuff that may contain non-kosher ingredients.. is this sin, even if we don't know? It would still be a transgression regardless right? :confused:

Regards,
fritz

[GerTzedek]

Sins are not equal. A conscious willful choice to sin will always be worse. But if an action is intrinsically wrong, it is sin whether we realize it or not and we will suffer its natural consequences. Remember that not everything that is unlawful is intrinsically wrong. I wish I could have given a simpler answer!

Generally speaking, especially given our capacity to rationalize, I would much rather confess and and repent from a sin for which I am not held resonsible, than to errantly assume I need not repent when in fact I do.

[GerTzedek]

but the confusing part is how often do we eat stuff that may contain non-kosher ingredients..

THIS is why I switched to eating only foods marked kosher.

[TheRabbi]

If it is still in the mouth, I immediately spit it out and quickly pray asking the Lord to forgive me. It is an instantaneous response unpon receipt of knowledge.

If however I find out later, after it has been digested, I get a "don't feel good" sensation in the stomach and again ask the Lord to forgive me.

Sorry that this is not some perscribed set rules of engagement regarding the handling of non-kosher, especially those listed under abomination.

This is the law interpeted correctly. Thanks Vis

[TheRabbi]

Well... honestly in my opinion, it would be SIN, it is still a transgression of the Law... which of course deserves repentance... but the confusing part is how often do we eat stuff that may contain non-kosher ingredients.. is this sin, even if we don't know? It would still be a transgression regardless right? :confused:
It depends on the amount. We have a concept called batul bashishin. It means that when non-kosher ingredients accidentally get into kosher food it's okay as long as the treifah isn't more than 1/60th of the whole mixture. We also have a concept called Ein mevatlin issur l'chatchilah. We may not knowingly add a non-kosher ingredient to kosher food with the idea of Batul Bashihin in mind.

[zhilan]

It depends on the amount. We have a concept called batul bashishin. It means that when non-kosher ingredients accidentally get into kosher food it's okay as long as the treifah isn't more than 1/60th of the whole mixture. We also have a concept called Ein mevatlin issur l'chatchilah. We may not knowingly add a non-kosher ingredient to kosher food with the idea of Batul Bashihin in mind.
Rabbi,

So in Judaism there is not any sort of purification, but one should ask for forgiveness?

Thanks for the responses!

[jgonz]

If it is still in the mouth, I immediately spit it out and quickly pray asking the Lord to forgive me. It is an instantaneous response unpon receipt of knowledge.

If however I find out later, after it has been digested, I get a "don't feel good" sensation in the stomach and again ask the Lord to forgive me.
This is how I handle it too. If it's sin, then the shed blood of Yeshua covers it. That's not to say eating it on purpose is ok, because it's not, but if I do accidentally, that is covered by His sacrifice.

[Bananna]

We should always aim for perfection
Searchout what is the goal of perfections
Avoid breaking torah
Repent when we know and ask forgiveness
Ask for forgiveness of those things we do not know.
JMO
bananna

[Henaynei]

Numbers 15:22-29 22 "But suppose some of you unintentionally fail to carry out all these commands that the LORD has given you through Moses. 23 And suppose some of your descendants in the future fail to do everything the LORD has commanded through Moses. 24 If the mistake was done unintentionally, and the community was unaware of it, the whole community must present a young bull for a burnt offering. It will be pleasing to the LORD, and it must be offered along with the prescribed grain offering and drink offering and with one male goat for a sin offering. 25 With it the priest will make atonement for the whole community of Israel, and they will be forgiven. For it was an unintentional sin, and they have corrected it with their offering given to the LORD by fire and by their sin offering. 26 The whole community of Israel will be forgiven, including the foreigners living among you, for the entire population was involved in the sin. 27 "If the unintentional sin is committed by an individual, the guilty person must bring a one-year-old female goat for a sin offering. 28 The priest will make atonement for the guilty person before the LORD, and that person will be forgiven. 29 This same law applies both to native Israelites and the foreigners living among you.

[stone]

I remember the last time that happened to me. I was so angry. I spit out what i had in my mouth into the trash can, went into our little kitchenette here at work and held my mouth under the facet. This was when i was trying so hard to not eat anything unclean. I was new to the kosher eating. That was also the last time i bought anything from Jack in the box, i think... maybe 2nd to last. You know, its not easy to begin to question every thing you put to your mouth after growing up in this world as i have.


I apologized for eating it, my response is usually something like, g-d already knew what i was going to do before i did it.

I compare to living in this world, similar to when the Israelites lived in captivity in Egypt. For some reason they could not worship their g-d where they were. Moshe kept telling pharoah, that g-d said to let my people go, so they can worship me. Pharoah would not release them to go worship their g-d. This world does not make it easy for us to live according to how g-d wants us to live, for me, its like living in slavery. Sure would be nice to live in a place where everything is kosher, and the world is full of people that believe the same as you.

[Talmidah]

I remember the last time that happened to me. I was so angry. I spit out what i had in my mouth into the trash can, went into our little kitchenette here at work and held my mouth under the facet. This was when i was trying so hard to not eat anything unclean. I was new to the kosher eating. That was also the last time i bought anything from Jack in the box, i think... maybe 2nd to last. You know, its not easy to begin to question every thing you put to your mouth after growing up in this world as i have.
I'm confused, stone. If you were trying to eat kosher, why did buy food from Jack in the Box or any non-kosher restaurant?

[stone]

I'm confused, stone. If you were trying to eat kosher, why did buy food from Jack in the Box or any non-kosher restaurant?

When i began to try to eat what is clean, perhaps kosher was a poor choice of words, i started with eliminating pork. This was a time, when i had already put away pork from my diet. I no longer wanted it, and in fact had to make an effort to remember not to purchase it. At 1st, after i had decided to eliminate pork, apparently i was in the habit of purchasing it, without even thinking about it. I didn't realize that, till after i began to try and quit.

Later, i eliminated everything else from my diet that i found written in the Torah.

What you call kosher and where i am at, are two different places. I don't believe the rabbi's have it correct as far as what they consider all to be kosher. I don't believe in the cheese being seperated from a hamburger, because of a kid being boiled in milk. That's a discussion however, for another time.

[Talmidah]

When i began to try to eat what is clean, perhaps kosher was a poor choice of words, i started with eliminating pork. This was a time, when i had already put away pork from my diet. I no longer wanted it, and in fact had to make an effort to remember not to purchase it. At 1st, after i had decided to eliminate pork, apparently i was in the habit of purchasing it, without even thinking about it. I didn't realize that, till after i began to try and quit.

Later, i eliminated everything else from my diet that i found written in the Torah.

Ah, understood. Thanks stone! :)