Analysis

[GreenMunchkin]

Have been trying to work out what's been going on here, and it's all become such a mess :cry:

Am writing this so we can start to organise what's been going on here. While everything is so messy, it won't get better.

I believe this started when Time created thread after thread about Refuge. He felt he was doing the right thing. Those threads brought *a lot* of people into CC to debate both his thoughts on it. It also brought people into CC that hadn't been here before. Father Rick and Belinda then signed up as members.

Meanwhile, many members felt we'd seen a sudden influx of liberal Christians. But they were here to debate Time - that's the thing. They're not around so much anymore.

Things calmed down, and then Father Rick's thread was approved and it kicked off worse than ever. Then threads were started about fundamentalists, and it all kicked off in that direction, too. Then a thread was started about how the problem is legalism, which kicked off yet another round of fights.

I think there's been *so* much misunderstanding and fear. People have battles going on with one person, and we're all fighting battles with groups of people but it's all been so insidious and crazy, it stopped being linear a while back. The confusion just makes it even messier.

The thing is, none of this is of God. For the most part, we're Christians, and that *has* to mean something. If that doesn't, that we worship the Lord has to. We need to stop gossiping, and we need to stop harming one another. This drama has to end, not for our sakes but for God's.

We need to just put all this behind us and move on. We need to move on. Truly. No more threads started about people; no more threats; no more gossip; no more flaming; no more snide comments. We need to treat each other so much better than this. We need to see Jesus in one another, because He lives in us, and we in Him.

We all feel we know who is to "blame", but we're probably all wrong. CC at the moment feels so very dark, and we need to let the light stream in. We need to actively and consciously give this forum back to God. We all need to ask His forgiveness and we all need to be so much kinder to one another.

At this point, it doesn't even matter who's to "blame". We all have to forgive and forget. We have to, because as things stand, they're unbearable. We need to see an increase in forgiveness and love and kindness. Please, let's try.

I would also ask that anyone who doesn't/hasn't belong/ed to CC not post. Thanks.

[LilLamb219]

God desires reconciliation, doesn't He?

I suppose one thing to start off with is to give your neighbor "positive" intent in what they're posting, whey they're here, etc.... instead of automatically assuming the worst.

[GreenMunchkin]

God desires reconciliation, doesn't He?

I suppose one thing to start off with is to give your neighbor "positive" intent in what they're posting, whey they're here, etc.... instead of automatically assuming the worst.You're completely right, Lamb :hug:

Am very guilty of that, myself.

[Hentenza]

2 Timothy 2:14-16
14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

[PreachersWife2004]

I humbly ask for forgiveness from those who feel I have wronged them, and I humbly forgive those that have wronged me.

:hug:

[Nicki4Christ]

2 Timothy 2:14-16
14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

Thank you Hentenza, I know you are super busy, but I sure do miss your posts. I read your starter about Typolgy:confused: I think I need to reread it, I was unable to understand:idea: <--- I would like the light to go off, but it wont:sorry:

[bill16652]

Praying for this forum, we all need to forgive and move on and get back to what we used to post and ignore the drama and finger pointing. When threads die for lack of response then so to will the interest.

[Hentenza]

Thank you Hentenza, I know you are super busy, but I sure do miss your posts. I read your starter about Typolgy:confused: I think I need to reread it, I was unable to understand:idea: <--- I would like the light to go off, but it wont:sorry:

Thank you Nicki. maybe we can all get back to some serious bible and theology study. It would sure help mature our faiths.:hug::prayer:

[Hentenza]

Praying for this forum, we all need to forgive and move on and get back to what we used to post and ignore the drama and finger pointing. When threads die for lack of response then so to will the interest.

Thanks you Bill. I agree completely with your post.:thumbsup::wave:

[Auntie]

Have been trying to work out what's been going on here, and it's all become such a mess :cry:

Am writing this so we can start to organise what's been going on here. While everything is so messy, it won't get better.

I believe this started when Time created thread after thread about Refuge. He felt he was doing the right thing. Those threads brought *a lot* of people into CC to debate both his thoughts on it. It also brought people into CC that hadn't been here before. Father Rick and Belinda then signed up as members.

Meanwhile, many members felt we'd seen a sudden influx of liberal Christians. But they were here to debate Time - that's the thing. They're not around so much anymore.

Things calmed down, and then Father Rick's thread was approved and it kicked off worse than ever. Then threads were started about fundamentalists, and it all kicked off in that direction, too. Then a thread was started about how the problem is legalism, which kicked off yet another round of fights.

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Hi GM. :wave: That's close, but not quite right. What got this started was when Time began his project to change the FAQ's have it say a Christian worships Jesus, or agrees that "Jesus is God".

There was an uproar about it in Wiki/Rules Discussion. The libs went nuts about it and began to harrass Time. It carried over into IIDB, and the members there began posting here.

Suddenly, WWMC members become CC members.

CC members leave, because we have no leadership willing to keep the wolves away.

Just like real sheep, the members have scattered.

If we could get a REAL leader, one who is willing to fight off the wolves for us, the problems would go away.

Remember, EVERYTHING was blamed on Time. He is no longer here. The problems remain. It should be clear to everyone that the problems had nothing to do with Time, but the influx of wolves who were and are allowed to debate and flame and devour the sheep.

The fact of the matter is, if we all hold hands, and sing Kumbaya, IIDB will get bored and leave us alone.

People think IIDB has nothing to do with this, but gossip at IIDB is the FUEL that feeds the fire.

[Nicki4Christ]

Thank you Nicki. maybe we can all get back to some serious bible and theology study. It would sure help mature our faiths.:hug::prayer:
I Wholeheartedly Agree

[GreenMunchkin]

Hi GM. :wave: That's close, but not quite right. What got this started was when Time began his project to change the FAQ's have it say a Christian worships Jesus, or agrees that "Jesus is God".

There was an uproar about it in Wiki/Rules Discussion. The libs went nuts about it and began to harrass Time. It carried over into IIDB, and the members there began posting here.

Suddenly, WWMC members become CC members.

CC members leave, because we have no leadership willing to keep the wolves away.

Just like real sheep, the members have scattered.

If we could get a REAL leader, one who is willing to fight off the wolves for us, the problems would go away.

Remember, EVERYTHING was blamed on Time. He is no longer here. The problems remain. It should be clear to everyone that the problems had nothing to do with Time, but the influx of wolves who were and are allowed to debate and flame and devour the sheep.

If we all start singing koombaya, people like FrRick and Belinda will get bored and leave.

People think IIDB has nothing to do with this, but gossip at IIDB is the FUEL that feeds the fire.No, I don't think anyone should be blaming Time. And am truly sorry you feel let down by CC staff, Auntie. Am sorry.

Can we forgive the people we feel have wronged us? Once CC is at peace again, anyone here for the wrong reasons will drift away. Similarly, we may be surprised at who sticks around.

But first we need to make CC peaceful again, and we need to forgive in order to do that. We need to put the Lord ahead of ourselves again.

[rmw8855]

God desires reconciliation, doesn't He?

I suppose one thing to start off with is to give your neighbor "positive" intent in what they're posting, whey they're here, etc.... instead of automatically assuming the worst.
2 Timothy 2:14-16
14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
Praying for this forum, we all need to forgive and move on and get back to what we used to post and ignore the drama and finger pointing. When threads die for lack of response then so to will the interest.

:thumbsup: I agree

1 Thessalonians 5:15
Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.

[rmw8855]

...
CC members leave, because we have no leadership willing to keep the wolves away.

Just like real sheep, the members have scattered.

If we could get a REAL leader, one who is willing to fight off the wolves for us, the problems would go away. ...

Staff is limited in what they can do by the rules they must operate by - they are the equivalent of the police department.

If the forum needs leaders, how do we want to go about doing this? Is it a matter of different rules to be enforced?

[FriendsFellowship]

Two things.

1. Everyone thinks they're right, and at least some of them are probably operating in the flesh.

2. The experiment of self governance has failed. There is no authority here. No clear vision. No leadership.

[PreachersWife2004]

Man, it's a good thing y'all ain't privy to some of my conversations with my husband. I'm sure I'd get labeled a liberal then.

[Epiphanygirl]

:eek: HOLY SMOKES
I've been away quite a bit, just stated posting again in OBOB....wnated to come in and say hello to everyone here, and see this happening:sigh:

Good grief......this was the one place I felt comfortable posting outside of my own religous forum, a place where we could get along as conservatives, put the religous icons aside and come together on conservative issues.........

How ugly to see that other people actually use that IIDB forum to gossip, backstab, etc............then come here and put their pious christian hats on:sick: it's the behavior of little children people.......

[Auntie]

How ugly to see that other people actually use that IIDB forum to gossip, backstab, etc............then come here and put their pious christian hats on:sick: it's the behavior of little children people.......


2 of the people I quoted are actually CC members.:sigh:

[BelindaP]

The problem with what you're doing Auntie is that you are posting things out of context. You jumped up and down and screamed bloody murder when somebody posted a message from Time's wife, but you have no problem doing the same sort of thing yourself. Go read some of your posts in response to that and have a good, long look in the mirror dear.

[Epiphanygirl]

2 of the people I quoted are actually CC members.:sigh:
makes me sick.........I'm not for going to other websites to gossip....that IIDB site is sickening to begin with, why do people go there other than to start and talk horse pucky to begin with??? I have to watch my mouth when I'm angry, I tend to sound like a truck driver...(bleep bleep bleep)right now a few chioce words are going through my mind about this......:crossrc:
I just saw that Lisa was leaving, did she? Is it over this crap too? :doh:

[PreachersWife2004]

All I know is that if someone came here and posted something I had written on another board, without my permission, I'd be mad as a wet's hornet nest.

[Tonks]

I would say that the analysis is pretty much correct (and Auntie has the better timeframe) but I really saw it starting when CCC members started in on the definition of Christian debate...this was prior to the "librulls" and IIDB crowd (of which I am a member) but there were many Christians that are 1) conservative in the theological sense and 2) members of this forum that had some serious problems with the proposed definition.

I'm sure we all had a part to play in things...but there were internal issues before this blew wide open.

[BelindaP]

I'm irritated, but I own my words. Nadiine did get on my last nerve the other night.

[GreenMunchkin]

This thread isn't about IIDB. It's about making CC whole again.

Can we all forgive? It's the first step to making this better.

[Letalis]

The problem with what you're doing Auntie is that you are posting things out of context. You jumped up and down and screamed bloody murder when somebody posted a message from Time's wife, but you have no problem doing the same sort of thing yourself. Go read some of your posts in response to that and have a good, long look in the mirror dear.
There is a difference between quoting someone's own words (said in public) and spreading gossip about another's marital life.

[Nadiine]

GM, I don't think you understand. As long as there is a Forum called "Conservative Christians", with members who are actually conservative, we will be the target of the liberals.

You said earlier we could post IIDB posts here. I did a very quick check at IIDB, less than one minute, and found this:

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I so wanna post to answer that Nadiine brat to Shut her [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] mouth!


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Well, I just posted something that will make her even madder in the venting thread. She has really gotten on my last nerve.


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Originally Posted by BelindaP
Well, I just posted something that will make her even madder in the venting thread. She has really gotten on my last nerve.



must GO and SEE her reply!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BelindaP
Well, I just posted something that will make her even madder in the venting thread. She has really gotten on my last nerve.


must GO and SEE her reply!!
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Ah, screw IT. I can't tell HER angry posts, from HER regular DEMENTED screeds!

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Nice huh?? LOL these are our FRIENDS that we're supposed to "fellowship" with here.

:doh: :help:

[bill16652]

I have only two questions with where this thread headed. One: would Christ act like this? Is this what you all really want for the forum?

[Auntie]

The problem with what you're doing Auntie is that you are posting things out of context.




Nope. Not at all Belinda. What I posted is the typical gossip that goes on at IIDB 24/7. I could post hundreds of posts that basically say the same thing.

Actually, just so ya know, I wish you were correct.

But we have a problem here. A REAL problem here. Which begins and ends at IIDB, and the ones who love to mock the CC members there, and brag about it there, and then come here and bait the CC members.

[Nadiine]

This thread isn't about IIDB. It's about making CC whole again.

Can we all forgive? It's the first step to making this better.
No, but sure is nice to see who I'm being told to "fellowship" with when I read the CRAP they're posting about me elsewhere!

[Nadiine]

and an important PS: I am not hurt by filth like that - I expect it becuz I divide. And this is WHY I divide.

[BelindaP]

There is a difference between quoting someone's own words (said in public) and spreading gossip about another's marital life.

You and I will have to agree to disagree on that. I don't believe that it was gossip about another's marital life. It was relaying a message for a wounded wife who was afraid to post herself. But let's not get into that again.

[Nadiine]

I have only two questions with where this thread headed. One: would Christ act like this? Is this what you all really want for the forum?
Bill, Christ might actually turn over tables with some... or call people harsh names like "sons of hell" or "vipers"...
I've seen Jesus do both when it came to serious damage & issues to the faith.... so I don't truly know which He might do in this case.
I truly don't. I doubt He finds it pleasing to have people posting hate posts in one area then coming here to be friendly or try to bait....

[Letalis]

You and I will have to agree to disagree on that. I don't believe that it was gossip about another's marital life. It was relaying a message for a wounded wife who was afraid to post herself. But let's not get into that again.
And this is why there can't be forgiveness. Those that have committed wrongs don't want to acknowledge that they've done wrong.

So long as these issues persist, any sense of "peace" will be short-lived.

[Auntie]

must GO and SEE her reply!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BelindaP
Well, I just posted something that will make her even madder in the venting thread. She has really gotten on my last nerve.


must GO and SEE her reply!!



Ah, screw IT. I can't tell HER angry posts, from HER regular DEMENTED screeds!

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Nice huh?? LOL these are our FRIENDS that we're supposed to "fellowship" with here.

:doh: :help:[/QUOTE]


Yeah.:( Sad isn't it.:cry:

And someone has reported me for posting Belind's words.
:sigh:

I suspect I will get edited, of course.:sigh:

[Criada]

:sigh:

[Nadiine]

nadine:
Nice huh?? LOL these are our FRIENDS that we're supposed to "fellowship" with here.

:doh: :help:

Auntie:
Yeah.:( Sad isn't it.:cry:

And someone has reported me for posting Belind's words.
:sigh:

I suspect I will get edited, of course.:sigh:

Oh, I missed that one... let me go back further.
thanks:thumbsup:

[bill16652]

Bill, Christ might actually turn over tables with some... or call people harsh names like "sons of hell" or "vipers"...
I've seen Jesus do both when it came to serious damage & issues to the faith.... so I don't truly know which He might do in this case.
I truly don't. I doubt He finds it pleasing to have people posting hate posts in one area then coming here to be friendly or try to bait....I agree, but we do have a choice in how we respond. Baiting can be dealt with through reports, so can a lot of these other problems by the rules in place. If we want this forum healthy again we need to start ignoring and even using the ignore feature if needed, but this must stop somewhere or there will not be a forum left to fight over and isnt that really the goal of anyone that comes in to stir things up? If it is then everyone who responds in kind and keeps it going is letting them win.

[Nadiine]

Well, I just posted something that will make her even madder in the venting thread. She has really gotten on my last nerve.


Ohh, I thought all of that copy from IIDB was from Rochir...
That was from Belinda....
interesting.
Motive is everything isn't it. Nice.

[Nadiine]

Auntie... I already knew this of these folks the thing is, I had no evidence. So I thank you for confirming my exact suspicions.

Baiting is obviously going on.

[Criada]

Can we just leave this...
Or sort out personal differences by PM.

[FriendsFellowship]

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." - John 13:34-35

[GreenMunchkin]

We've all been wronged. All of us have been at some point. We all know what it is to suffer at the hands of someone else.

But we're commanded to forgive them and to love them.

CC is CC because we don't deviate from scriptures. We should be the first forum to follow His exhortation to forgive, and to bless those who persecute us.

We're all gonna answer to God one day; both for being cruel to someone, and for not forgiving someone who was cruel. We can't control others, but we can control our own behaviour. Please, let's try to forgive.

If we all forgave, together, en masse, can you imagine how powerful that would be? How much we'd harm the enemy?

[Epiphanygirl]

Auntie... I already knew this of these folks the thing is, I had no evidence. So I thank you for confirming my exact suspicions.

Baiting is obviously going on.I don't really know you but:hug: .... I do know that it must be hard to be maligned behind your back when you can't even defend yourself........It's just wrong:help:

[FriendsFellowship]

Hi Munchie! :hug:

[GreenMunchkin]

Hi Munchie! :hug:Hiya, Marty :hug:

Am so glad you're here :hug:

[Nadiine]

We've all been wronged. All of us have been at some point. We all know what it is to suffer at the hands of someone else.

But we're commanded to forgive them and to love them.

CC is CC because we don't deviate from scriptures. We should be the first forum to follow His exhortation to forgive, and to bless those who persecute us.

We're all gonna answer to God one day; both for being cruel to someone, and for not forgiving someone who was cruel. We can't control others, but we can control our own behaviour. Please, let's try to forgive.

If we all forgave, together, en masse, can you imagine how powerful that would be? How much we'd harm the enemy?
GM, some have been wronged alot more than others.

I don't need to forgive her, it doesn't even hurt me any (I've gone thru 10 years of this trash and I'm well used to it)

My issue is this, TRUST. When someone comes over here from WWMC, posts crap like that with motive of purposely baiting, I have no reason to "fellowship" with the fruit that's been displayed -
and when they sit with others who do the same on a regular basis.
I said this before she even joined that any conservative who can join and sit with all liberals is something I take issue with - having a few conservative beliefs doesn't make someone conservative whatsoever.

And that was confirmed to me in her first thread - "ultra right wing conservatives" and "fundamentals"... she disliked.
Well, we knew that, and now we have proof of it. I don't fellowship with these people for this very reason -

Anytime you get past chatting about unicorns, rainbows & cotton candy, the real teeth come out and I have no fellowship with what lies beneath.
This is why the group of us takes issue with the influx we've seen and who we're being intimidated to fellowship with.

How much fruit do we have to keep ignoring before we figure something out? :idea: :doh:

[BelindaP]

Gee, this thread was actually going somewhere until it got derailed by this. :sigh:

[BelindaP]

So, Nadiine. I have 'some' conservative beliefs. What do you even know about my beliefs anyway?

[Nadiine]

I don't really know you but:hug: .... I do know that it must be hard to be maligned behind your back when you can't even defend yourself........It's just wrong:help:
thank you for that Epiphany - :)
I'm not the only one this has been to either. Thankfully, I'm used to it and I hadn't entrusted any friendship.

[Criada]

We've all been wronged. All of us have been at some point. We all know what it is to suffer at the hands of someone else.

But we're commanded to forgive them and to love them.

CC is CC because we don't deviate from scriptures. We should be the first forum to follow His exhortation to forgive, and to bless those who persecute us.

We're all gonna answer to God one day; both for being cruel to someone, and for not forgiving someone who was cruel. We can't control others, but we can control our own behaviour. Please, let's try to forgive.

If we all forgave, together, en masse, can you imagine how powerful that would be? How much we'd harm the enemy?
K, no one has been deliberately nasty to me, I don't think...
But - I forgive anyone who has hurt me.
And ask forgiveness of anyone I have hurt.
Sometimes I respond without thinking...so anyone I have hurt or offended, I am really sorry.

[FriendsFellowship]

Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[Nadiine]

So, Nadiine. I have 'some' conservative beliefs. What do you even know about my beliefs anyway?
well gee, the thread you made listed stuff when you invited people to ask you about your beliefs etc. ... and I have no interest in continuing w/ you in this.

[FriendsFellowship]

Hiya, Marty :hug:

Am so glad you're here :hug:

I think I'm glad I'm here too! :D

[Nadiine]

Gee, this thread was actually going somewhere until it got derailed by this. :sigh:
derailed by what? THE TRUTH???

[BelindaP]

Ah, she admits to lurking the thread. And were my beliefs liberal somehow?

[Epiphanygirl]

thank you for that Epiphany - :)
I'm not the only one this has been to either. Thankfully, I'm used to it and I hadn't entrusted any friendship.
Good to hear.............I just don't like what I'm reading and seeing in this forum...........it seems the liberals invaded here because their own forum wasn't going anywhere and they were bored?? to further cause strife gossip over at IIDB about people here then cause havoc............am I getting the gist of it????
I've been gone for a while......really shocked by whats going on:eek:

[Criada]

Please, could you two take this to PM?
Cos is really not helpful for everyone else. :(

[PreachersWife2004]

Amen, Criada. AMEN.

[BelindaP]

WHERE is this supposed liberal invasion? I'm just not seeing it. :confused:

[FriendsFellowship]

Matthew 5:39-42 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

[Epiphanygirl]

I'm just looking for the truth........am I in a forum where people are backstabbing and gossiping at another forum then coming here and pretending to be CC??? I'd rather have the truth come out so I can make a decision with the correct facts...........let the cards fall where they may..........let god aid in letting the sun in the room to shed light upon dark matters so people can see it for what it is:help:

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, some have been wronged alot more than others.

I don't need to forgive her, it doesn't even hurt me any (I've gone thru 10 years of this trash and I'm well used to it)

My issue is this, TRUST. When someone comes over here from WWMC, posts crap like that with motive of purposely baiting, I have no reason to "fellowship" with the fruit that's been displayed -
and when they sit with others who do the same on a regular basis.
I said this before she even joined that any conservative who can join and sit with all liberals is something I take issue with - having a few conservative beliefs doesn't make someone conservative whatsoever.

And that was confirmed to me in her first thread - "ultra right wing conservatives" and "fundamentals"... she disliked.
Well, we knew that, and now we have proof of it. I don't fellowship with these people for this very reason -

Anytime you get past chatting about unicorns, rainbows & cotton candy, the real teeth come out and I have no fellowship with what lies beneath.
This is why the group of us takes issue with the influx we've seen and who we're being intimidated to fellowship with.

How much fruit do we have to keep ignoring before we figure something out? :idea: :doh:I understand what you're saying... but I'm not sure trust is the issue. We don't need to trust people in order to love them and forgive them.

Thing is, we're all privy to the same information, so we're all making value "judgements". We all the see the fruits of every other person here. What we then need to choose is how we react. Either we can forgive or we can react in anger.

All I know is none of us will be harmed remotely compared to the Lord's betrayal and murder. But He forgave, for things *that* appalling. We have so much less to forgive. So much less.

[£amb]

Can we please quit with the fighting and get back to the OP!!!! Enough is enough...:(


Here is the OP if we've forgotten...

Analysis


Have been trying to work out what's been going on here, and it's all become such a mess :cry:

Am writing this so we can start to organise what's been going on here. While everything is so messy, it won't get better.

I believe this started when Time created thread after thread about Refuge. He felt he was doing the right thing. Those threads brought *a lot* of people into CC to debate both his thoughts on it. It also brought people into CC that hadn't been here before. Father Rick and Belinda then signed up as members.

Meanwhile, many members felt we'd seen a sudden influx of liberal Christians. But they were here to debate Time - that's the thing. They're not around so much anymore.

Things calmed down, and then Father Rick's thread was approved and it kicked off worse than ever. Then threads were started about fundamentalists, and it all kicked off in that direction, too. Then a thread was started about how the problem is legalism, which kicked off yet another round of fights.

I think there's been *so* much misunderstanding and fear. People have battles going on with one person, and we're all fighting battles with groups of people but it's all been so insidious and crazy, it stopped being linear a while back. The confusion just makes it even messier.

The thing is, none of this is of God. For the most part, we're Christians, and that *has* to mean something. If that doesn't, that we worship the Lord has to. We need to stop gossiping, and we need to stop harming one another. This drama has to end, not for our sakes but for God's.

We need to just put all this behind us and move on. We need to move on. Truly. No more threads started about people; no more threats; no more gossip; no more flaming; no more snide comments. We need to treat each other so much better than this. We need to see Jesus in one another, because He lives in us, and we in Him.

We all feel we know who is to "blame", but we're probably all wrong. CC at the moment feels so very dark, and we need to let the light stream in. We need to actively and consciously give this forum back to God. We all need to ask His forgiveness and we all need to be so much kinder to one another.

At this point, it doesn't even matter who's to "blame". We all have to forgive and forget. We have to, because as things stand, they're unbearable. We need to see an increase in forgiveness and love and kindness. Please, let's try.

I would also ask that anyone who doesn't/hasn't belong/ed to CC not post. Thanks.

[synger]

Hi GM. :wave: That's close, but not quite right. What got this started was when Time began his project to change the FAQ's have it say a Christian worships Jesus, or agrees that "Jesus is God".

There was an uproar about it in Wiki/Rules Discussion. The libs went nuts about it and began to harrass Time. It carried over into IIDB, and the members there began posting here.

Suddenly, WWMC members become CC members.
[snip]


I would say that the analysis is pretty much correct (and Auntie has the better timeframe) but I really saw it starting when CCC members started in on the definition of Christian debate...this was prior to the "librulls" and IIDB crowd (of which I am a member) but there were many Christians that are 1) conservative in the theological sense and 2) members of this forum that had some serious problems with the proposed definition.

I'm sure we all had a part to play in things...but there were internal issues before this blew wide open.

I agree with Tonks. I was a member of CC long before this particular blowup, and I was one of the early conservative voices against a change in the definition of Christianity for the board. Not all the voices have been liberal.

Yet that discussion, about the definition of Christianity on the board, is what I look back and see as one of the incendiary points for much of the present conflict.

[Nadiine]

Matthew 5:39-42 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Yep
Altho, I have no plans to lend some of them any $$. LOL

[FriendsFellowship]

Yep
Altho, I have no plans to lend some of them any $$. LOL

Even if they ask????? :P

[Nadiine]

I agree with Tonks. I was a member of CC long before this particular blowup, and I was one of the early conservative voices against a change in the definition of Christianity for the board. Not all the voices have been liberal.

Yet that discussion, about the definition of Christianity on the board, is what I look back and see as one of the incendiary points for much of the present conflict.
I think what that did is bring their INTEREST here... it was after that that some started thinking to join... which some did.
Thankfully the fruit bears itself out eventually; some sooner than later.

[PreachersWife2004]

Yep
Altho, I have no plans to lend some of them any $$. LOL

Shucks. I was jest about to ask for some money, too...

:hug:

[Nadiine]

Even if they ask????? :P
ROFL
Hey, cmeeer & let me slap your cheek... then I want to ask you if you could lend me a few thousand dollahs.

:P :P ^_^

[Nadiine]

Shucks. I was jest about to ask for some money, too...

:hug:
No problem PW, I have a nice shiny penny in my piggy bank. :P

[£amb]

Green...I agree...this area needs some refreshing...:hug:

Every thread ends up as a fight fest and I'm daggone sick of it. I'm not leaving this forum, but I've taken a short break until all this constant fighting is done. Just absolutely sick of it. I do not have any anger or bitterness towards anyone, but the fighting needs to stop now! We can be mad as wet hens with people coming into this area, but that's what the ignore feature is for. So let's stop pointing fingers and move forward.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I've been holding in quite abit...:)

[FriendsFellowship]

ROFL
Hey, cmeeer & let me slap your cheek... then I want to ask you if you could lend me a few thousand dollahs.

:P :P ^_^

Only if you are an evil person! :D

[Criada]

Green...I agree...this area needs some refreshing...:hug:

Every thread ends up as a fight fest and I'm daggone sick of it. I'm not leaving this forum, but I've taken a short break until all this constant fighting is done. Just absolutely sick of it. I do not have any anger or bitterness towards anyone, but the fighting needs to stop now! We can be mad as wet hens with people coming into this area, but that's what the ignore feature is for. So let's stop pointing fingers and move forward.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I've been holding in quite abit...:)
:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Nadiine]

Yet that discussion, about the definition of Christianity on the board, is what I look back and see as one of the incendiary points for much of the present conflict.
I'd be interested to know, if you can remember of course, exactly which points got changed? Like from what to what?
It sounds as if you mean it opened a loophole up to a wider application?

[Nadiine]

Only if you are an evil person! :D
that's why i was going to slap yeh. LOL (I'll file my nails first for you) =0)~

[£amb]

:hug: :hug: :hug:


Wow...I reread my post and it sounded harsher than I meant it to be...:blush:

I apologize how it came across, just frustrated I guess. I still love everyone here and enjoy the fellowship...:)

[Nadiine]

I totally understand Lamb... I don't blame you.

(these threads keep popping up like hotcakes in a flap jack shack).... :sorry:

[Nadiine]

Wow...I reread my post and it sounded harsher than I meant it to be...:blush:

I apologize how it came across, just frustrated I guess. I still love everyone here and enjoy the fellowship...:)
ya know, I didn't even think it was harsh Lamb. I thought you were pretty kind and cordial.
I do understand -- I know I'm a part of this process... sometimes it takes voices to either find a problem or hopefully solve it.

Otherwise it just get pushed under the carpet until it's drudged up at a later date. I don't know if this will get solved or how... or if rules have to change.
If you do figure something out, I'd like to hear your ideas.
God bless you and I'm sorry this is happening - very sorry. :cry:

[GreenMunchkin]

Green...I agree...this area needs some refreshing...:hug:

Every thread ends up as a fight fest and I'm daggone sick of it. I'm not leaving this forum, but I've taken a short break until all this constant fighting is done. Just absolutely sick of it. I do not have any anger or bitterness towards anyone, but the fighting needs to stop now! We can be mad as wet hens with people coming into this area, but that's what the ignore feature is for. So let's stop pointing fingers and move forward.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I've been holding in quite abit...:):hug: Not harsh, at all, Lamby. Is completely right. Thank you :hug:

[PreachersWife2004]

At first, I was totally on board with the definition of Christianity that was being bantered around. I liked what it had to say, for the most part, although there was some commentary in it that I found to be somewhat reformed in thinking, and that didn't really go with how *I* defined Christianity.

There were some good arguments in that thread, I think. All I really remember now is that it suddenly turned into a thread about and against BeMi, the occult recovery forum, and then all of a sudden EVERY thread turned into that. Threads were even started in numerous other forums that debating the root meaning of the original name of the forum.

It was here that I think Time sorta lost some people. I was one of them. I had had his back and defended him, but I couldn't defend this attack on the recovery forum. I haven't exactly been a staunch supporter of it, but I HAVE been keeping up with the information, the wiki and other posts regarding it. True, there were people who were against it, and the forum made some changes. As I said, I was against it at first, until I read about the changes and heard from people who I love and trust that the forum was doing okay in its beginning stages.

It is good to have zeal for the Lord. But when that zeal turns into something it shouldn't (sort of like the crusades did), then the zeal isn't for the Lord anymore...God works through all things in the end, though, and I'm confident He will do that here, too.

I love ALL my Christian brothers and sisters, even those that have wronged me, and especially those who have forgiven me when I haven't shown that love through my words. I love a Christian who doesn't believe the bible is inerrent as much as I love the Christian that does. And so on and so forth. That's just who I am.

It is my opinion that it's okay for someone who is not a conservative or a member here to post now and then, and do it respectfully. We have lots of these types of people come and post at TCL, and we welcome it. There will sometimes be that poor soul that just doesn't get it, and is reported and disciplined and the system works there. We're not afraid of any hostile takeover, because the system works.

This forum feels its under attack right now. Someone pointed recently, and a long time ago, that when God's work is being done, Satan will try his best to stop it. And he's using both "sides" in this issue to do this. So...because I do not want to work for Satan (the pay STINKS) I'm going to make an effort to ignore any post that seems to invite controversy, or that seems to want to disrupt the harmony of the board. Can others join me in this?

[£amb]

Ya'll are too nice even when I feel mean...;) :)

I just have my moments when I blow up then it's gone. As I said, I'm not one to be mad or hold grudges....thank God he gave me a soft heart...:)

[PreachersWife2004]

No problem PW, I have a nice shiny penny in my piggy bank. :P

I had two cents, but I left them here somewhere
:D

Funny story: my oldest was whining about something and I gave him two quarters and said "go call someone who cares." He pockets the change, gets the cell phone and calls his grandma!

[Epiphanygirl]

I understand what you're saying... but I'm not sure trust is the issue. We don't need to trust people in order to love them and forgive them.

Thing is, we're all privy to the same information, so we're all making value "judgements". We all the see the fruits of every other person here. What we then need to choose is how we react. Either we can forgive or we can react in anger.

All I know is none of us will be harmed remotely compared to the Lord's betrayal and murder. But He forgave, for things *that* appalling. We have so much less to forgive. So much less.
That's just it GM, we aren't all privy to the same info.
If people were all honest and upfront, I don't think this would be happening.........I can disagree with someone, and I frequently do............but I don't go to other websites talking about them and stirring up trouble..........I'm all for sunlight and honesty........if people can't be HONEST with each other whats the point?? How is that Chrisitan behavior?
This is supposed to be a Conservative Christian forum.....a place for all Conservatives from differing practices to come together on Conservative issues............pretending that certain behavior from certain individuals is not going on (forgiving them) but not correcting their behavior only creates a bigger problem IMO......its like not correcting a child....we all know where that leads^_^
Call a spade a spade and be done with it...........I just want to know who the spades are.....

[Letalis]

Funny story: my oldest was whining about something and I gave him two quarters and said "go call someone who cares." He pockets the change, gets the cell phone and calls his grandma!
That's too funny. ^_^

[Nadiine]

That's just it GM, we aren't all privy to the same info.
If people were all honest and upfront, I don't think this would be happening.........I can disagree with someone, and I frequently do............but I don't go to other websites talking about them and stirring up trouble..........I'm all for sunlight and honesty........if people can't be HONEST with each other whats the point?? How is that Chrisitan behavior?
This is supposed to be a Conservative Christian forum.....a place for all Conservatives from differing practices to come together on Conservative issues............pretending that certain behavior from certain individuals is not going on (forgiving them) but not correcting their behavior only creates a bigger problem IMO......its like not correcting a child....we all know where that leads^_^
Call a spade a spade and be done with it...........I just want to know who the spades are.....
THIS IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF THE WHOLE CC PROBLEM

Worse Epiphany, we have been intimidated to fellowship with them and be fine with it.
Some of us know what goes on w/ them - I do, I've seen it for years. I have no trust, and this just lends proof to why I divide from these groups.

God doesn't tell us to SIT WITH everyone -- I won't be forced, intimidated or pushed to fellowship with some of these people.
And I'm tired of being told how "unloving" I am if I don't.
I decide for myself (THRU God's Spirit) who I fellowship & unite with. I will not be bullied thru intimidation to hug & embrace who they tell me I have to, OR ELSE i GET LABLED : MILITANT FUNDAMENTALIST.
which I am NOT.:doh:

GOD calls me to divide with certain groups he warns me of in my bible. That's called obedience.

This has been the problem - for weeks now. Many of us felt it and have been complaining.

[GreenMunchkin]

That's just it GM, we aren't all privy to the same info.
If people were all honest and upfront, I don't think this would be happening.........I can disagree with someone, and I frequently do............but I don't go to other websites talking about them and stirring up trouble..........I'm all for sunlight and honesty........if people can't be HONEST with each other whats the point?? How is that Chrisitan behavior?
This is supposed to be a Conservative Christian forum.....a place for all Conservatives from differing practices to come together on Conservative issues............pretending that certain behavior from certain individuals is not going on (forgiving them) but not correcting their behavior only creates a bigger problem IMO......its like not correcting a child....we all know where that leads^_^
Call a spade a spade and be done with it...........I just want to know who the spades are.....Oh, sorry. I meant we all saw the post that was copied into here, and we all see the posts of people in CC. That's what I meant :hug:

We're called to hold one another accountable, for sure, but not at the expense of forgiveness.

The thing is, none of us are good enough to be able to castigate anyone else. That's what I realised. We've all hurt people and we've all been hurt. We're all struggling and trying our hardest.

Mostly, though, at the moment, am so angry with someone, and it feels like a lump of poison in my tummy :( That anger that so many of us are feeling is just toxic. Primarily to ourselves. And it hurts God when we behave like this. Am hurting Him by being so cross at someone. The amount of anger in this forum at the moment must feel like acid to Him, and He deserves so much more than that. Ya know? I don't want us to carry on hurting Him :(

[Nadiine]

Oh, sorry. I meant we all saw the post that was copied into here, and we all see the posts of people in CC. That's what I meant :hug:

We're called to hold one another accountable, for sure, but not at the expense of forgiveness.

The thing is, none of us are good enough to be able to castigate anyone else. That's what I realised. We've all hurt people and we've all been hurt. We're all struggling and trying our hardest.

Mostly, though, at the moment, am so angry with someone, and it feels like a lump of poison in my tummy :( That anger that so many of us are feeling is just toxic. Primarily to ourselves. And it hurts God when we behave like this. Am hurting Him by being so cross at someone. The amount of anger in this forum at the moment must feel like acid to Him, and He deserves so much more than that. Ya know? I don't want us to carry on hurting Him :(
GM, you probly already know this, but you have to keep in mind that forgiving doesn't mean we're commanded to go back and unite or confide in them again.

I can forgive easily - AND HAVE! But it in no way insinuates that I then have to go back and bring them into my trust again (not that I ever had any for some here to begin with) -- The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

I don't have to fellowship OR unite with people I forgave. Forgive means you release them from your contempt or offense. Nothing more.
Of course a person can go right back to fully trusting the other person - but it's not mandatory.

[Epiphanygirl]

THIS IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF THE WHOLE CC PROBLEM

Worse Epiphany, we have been intimidated to fellowship with them and be fine with it.
Some of us know what goes on w/ them - I do, I've seen it for years. I have no trust, and this just lends proof to why I divide from these groups.

God doesn't tell us to SIT WITH everyone -- I won't be forced, intimidated or pushed to fellowship with some of these people.
And I'm tired of being told how "unloving" I am if I don't.
I decide for myself (THRU God's Spirit) who I fellowship & unite with. I will not be bullied thru intimidation to hug & embrace who they tell me I have to, OR ELSE i GET LABLED : MILITANT FUNDAMENTALIST.
which I am NOT.:doh:

GOD calls me to divide with certain groups he warns me of in my bible. That's called obedience.

This has been the problem - for weeks now. Many of us felt it and have been complaining.
I can respect that ! Heck, I know that some feel I'm not even a real christian because of my faith....I don't let it deter me from trying to come together on core christian beliefs or actions we should take.....people are people, and we won't always agree.......what is needed is some old fashioned RESPECT........can't people just treat people with the dignity of a human being without resorting to ugly tactics and such??? This is what I'm trying to figure out in this forum right now. I'd rahter talk about it than sweep it under the rug and hide it........sheesh, you'd think we wern't capable of acting like adults or something........it's a shame:help:

[NewGuy101]

GM, you probly already know this, but you have to keep in mind that forgiving doesn't mean we're commanded to go back and unite or confide in them again.

I can forgive easily - AND HAVE! But it in no way insinuates that I then have to go back and bring them into my trust again (not that I ever had any for some here to begin with) -- The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

I don't have to fellowship OR unite with people I forgave. Forgive means you release them from your contempt or offense. Nothing more.
Of course a person can go right back to fully trusting the other person - but it's not mandatory.
Excellent post sister.

A great example of this would be the original intent of ecumenicalism. Sure we are united as brothers and sisters in Christ but that also does not imply we should be one in every aspect including theology and fellowship. The point is unite in the points we agree and remain peaceful in disagreements although not always toghether.

[Epiphanygirl]

Oh, sorry. I meant we all saw the post that was copied into here, and we all see the posts of people in CC. That's what I meant :hug:

We're called to hold one another accountable, for sure, but not at the expense of forgiveness.

The thing is, none of us are good enough to be able to castigate anyone else. That's what I realised. We've all hurt people and we've all been hurt. We're all struggling and trying our hardest.

Mostly, though, at the moment, am so angry with someone, and it feels like a lump of poison in my tummy :( That anger that so many of us are feeling is just toxic. Primarily to ourselves. And it hurts God when we behave like this. Am hurting Him by being so cross at someone. The amount of anger in this forum at the moment must feel like acid to Him, and He deserves so much more than that. Ya know? I don't want us to carry on hurting Him :(
I understand that.......believe me, I deal with this kind of stuff in my own family........I know that gut wrenching feeling all too well:sigh:

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, you probly already know this, but you have to keep in mind that forgiving doesn't mean we're commanded to go back and unite or confide in them again.

I can forgive easily - AND HAVE! But it in no way insinuates that I then have to go back and bring them into my trust again (not that I ever had any for some here to begin with) -- The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

I don't have to fellowship OR unite with people I forgave. Forgive means you release them from your contempt or offense. Nothing more.
Of course a person can go right back to fully trusting the other person - but it's not mandatory.You're right :) It doesn't mandate fellowshipping with the person. But CC has become a hot-bed of insults and snide comments and remarks. If we all forgave, none of those would exist. People don't have to spend time together, even here in CC, but nor can we behave hatefully towards one another. Am saying that to myself more than anyone else.

[MrJim]

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Hi to all our visiting lurkers :wave:

[Epiphanygirl]

Excellent post sister.

A great example of this would be the original intent of ecumenicalism. Sure we are united as brothers and sisters in Christ but that also does not imply we should be one in every aspect including theology and fellowship. The point is unite in the points we agree and remain peaceful in disagreements although not always toghether.
:thumbsup: :amen: See, it can work..........I agree with you....hahahaaaaaaa:holy:

[Nadiine]

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rofl now that is funny. I have to give this one
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^_^

[NewGuy101]

:thumbsup: :amen: See, it can work..........I agree with you....hahahaaaaaaa:holy:
Epiphany, I have never seen in you in CCC before. I would like to welcome you even at this time of tribulation. There is division in CCC as you have clearly noticed but I don't want that to disencourage you from getting involved here. We still have our fun threads but several others involve debates relating to potential resolutions to this schism.

[Auntie]

LOL. My posts are being deleted as we speak. Why? Because I speak the truth.

New CC rule: Thou shalt not speak the truth. Speaking the truth shalt get thy in trouble with TBTB.

[JimfromOhio]

I came home from work and see sad threads. I have come to conclusion that we don't practice GRACE in our lives. I will still fellowship and debate with my Christian brethren even though I may not agree with their beliefs. We cannot close our minds to everything that is happening around us. Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs.

Good thing my Red Sox is playing tonight. I need a break from this.

[Auntie]

Epiphany, I have never seen in you in CCC before. I would like to welcome you even at this time of tribulation. There is division in CCC as you have clearly noticed but I don't want that to disencourage you from getting involved here. We still have our fun threads but several others involve debates relating to potential resolutions to this schism.


Epiphanygirl is definitely a treasure and is most welcome here.:hug:

[Epiphanygirl]

Epiphany, I have never seen in you in CCC before. I would like to welcome you even at this time of tribulation. There is division in CCC as you have clearly noticed but I don't want that to disencourage you from getting involved here. We still have our fun threads but several others involve debates relating to potential resolutions to this schism.I posted in the beginning........I've been quite ill, I've had some family issues to deal with as well.....I haven't been around much........but this doesn't seem to be the forum I remember.....:sigh:

Thank you for the welcome!! I hope that all can work out here too:groupray:

[Epiphanygirl]

I came home from work and see sad threads. I have come to conclusion that we don't practice GRACE in our lives. I will still fellowship and debate with my Christian brethren even though I may not agree with their beliefs. We cannot close our minds to everything that is happening around us. Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs.

Good thing my Red Sox is playing tonight. I need a break from this.:thumbsup:

[MrJim]

Good thing my Red Sox is playing tonight. I need a break from this.

...speaking of "break" that's what yer heart'll do after tonight's game:P :P :P

[Epiphanygirl]

Epiphanygirl is definitely a treasure and is most welcome here.:hug:
:blush: thank you Auntie...........I can be a lil outspoken.....but the truth is better than deceit........nothing can grow in deceiful soil.......truth = sunlight

[JimfromOhio]

...speaking of "break" that's what yer heart'll do after tonight's game:P :P :P

Tonight is the first game of the World Series and being played in BOSTON :thumbsup: . Boston is favored to win tonight. ;) :D

[Nadiine]

You're right :) It doesn't mandate fellowshipping with the person. But CC has become a hot-bed of insults and snide comments and remarks. If we all forgave, none of those would exist. People don't have to spend time together, even here in CC, but nor can we behave hatefully towards one another. Am saying that to myself more than anyone else.
**edit**... some of what's been said in the "wars" isn't HATE at all. We keep thinking 'negative = HATE'. It does NOT (not automatically).

SOME IS - not all. If we're trying to iron out issues, then stuff has to come out - that isn't hatred, it's seeking to resolve a problem (like your thread here is seeking).

I"ve seen all I need to see to know there's an agenda going on in this forum by a few people. It was evidenced openly here by Auntie's quote post from IIDB and other threads have contributed to support the same.
Your right, I don't have to be "rude" or vengeful and I have no plans to be. But I will definitely warn people if or when necessary and I won't be uniting in fellowship.
And if some rules or the SOF was tightened up to a decent extent (Tishri offered an interesting alternative to adding a rule that might help) all this mite be solved to come to a happy medium (if that's at all possible).

But something needs to change & stop from what was going on earlier w/ the intimidation to FORCE members who divide from liberalism and those groups to unite & "hang out all friendly like".
It most certainly was going on.

[MrJim]

Tonight is the first game of the World Series and being played in BOSTON :thumbsup: . Boston is favored to win tonight. ;) :D

I've got the shoulder when ya need somethin' to cry on^_^

[Epiphanygirl]

Tonight is the first game of the World Series and being played in BOSTON :thumbsup: . Boston is favored to win tonight. ;) :D
Go Blackhawks.................I mean Red Sox^_^ ....I got no stake in this.....my teams all lost..........I just want to see some good baseball...........wish my daddy was not so far away..........I used to watch sports with him growing up.....nothing better than that!!!

[Nadiine]

Tonight is the first game of the World Series and being played in BOSTON :thumbsup: . Boston is favored to win tonight. ;) :D
I think I might know where edb is tonite ;)
(she's a baseball fan I think) :scratch: :confused:

[Nadiine]

Go Blackhawks.................I mean Red Sox^_^ ....I got no stake in this.....my teams all lost..........I just want to see some good baseball...........wish my daddy was not so far away..........I used to watch sports with him growing up.....nothing better than that!!!
I still need somebody to teach me how to LIKE sports!

HELP :help: :help:

[Epiphanygirl]

I still need somebody to teach me how to LIKE sports!

HELP :help: :help:
I didn't have a choice growing up....Baseball, football, basketball............don't mess with daddy during the game.........so I joined in and watched with him.........heaven forbid you try to change the channel when he was asleep....he'd wake right up^_^ ....I miss that so much.........
Nothing better than throwing sports parties with your friends and family.....those are the best!!!

[MrJim]

I still need somebody to teach me how to LIKE sports!

HELP :help: :help:

^_^ ^_^ I barely have energy to hang around here, barely even follow the Steelers (catch it on the radio on occasion)~really yer not missin' much:sorry:

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm a packers and a lions fan so I won't be of much help to you Nadiine.

[NewGuy101]

GO 49ers!!

even if they suckk...:(

[Nadiine]

I didn't have a choice growing up....Baseball, football, basketball............don't mess with daddy during the game.........so I joined in and watched with him.........heaven forbid you try to change the channel when he was asleep....he'd wake right up^_^ ....I miss that so much.........
Nothing better than throwing sports parties with your friends and family.....those are the best!!!
ROFLLLLLLL that's hilarious. He's sound asleep, but when you change the channel he wakes right up.

You should of been around my house, my dad was like Radar - if we had a movie on & it had a love scene, it never failed, he'd walk in the room RIGHT THEN.
You could bet on it and win every time.

& He'd always say "oh not this stuff again, turn that off". LOL
So....... when love scenes came on, we'd all laugh & WAIT for dad to enter.
I know, I miss the past too. Oh to have those days back again.

[Epiphanygirl]

GO 49ers!!

even if they suckk...:(sigh.....gone are the glory days of Montana and Rice......but my Cowboys always came first;)

[Epiphanygirl]

ROFLLLLLLL that's hilarious. He's sound asleep, but when you change the channel he wakes right up.

You should of been around my house, my dad was like Radar - if we had a movie on & it had a love scene, it never failed, he'd walk in the room RIGHT THEN.
You could bet on it and win every time.

& He'd always say "oh not this stuff again, turn that off". LOL
So....... when love scenes came on, we'd all laugh & WAIT for dad to enter.
I know, I miss the past too. Oh to have those days back again.
Yep.....back when the clicker actually clicked^_^ ^_^ or you actually had to get up to change the channel!!!

[Nadiine]

I'm a packers and a lions fan so I won't be of much help to you Nadiine.
maybe i'll just go FORCE myself to sit thru a game.
But even when we go to Lakers games or Angels games in real life, they bore me.
I'd just as soon sit with some good binoculars & people watch.

[Nadiine]

Yep.....back when the clicker actually clicked^_^ ^_^ or you actually had to get up to change the channel!!!
oh yes, that was before clickers were ever invented.

(how could we LIVE without them???) :swoon:

[NewGuy101]

maybe i'll just go FORCE myself to sit thru a game.
But even when we go to Lakers games or Angels games in real life, they bore me.
I'd just as soon sit with some good binoculars & people watch.
:eek:

Where in LA are you Nadiine? I live near LAX :cool:

[Nadiine]

I'm a packers and a lions fan so I won't be of much help to you Nadiine.
Oh I like the lions!!! If I like a teams colors, I like the team.
so the 49ers & Greenbay packers are OUT.:kiss:
Oh wait, maybe that's the bronco's?? ugly brown?

[HisKid1973]

http://bestsmileys.com/hello/7.gif
Hi to all our visiting lurkers :wave:

Hi Bro...Just wanted see what this place was like...Amazing how the maturity( or lack it) of a believer can show up in threads...Some really make you wonder if they have truly committed their lives to Chrsist....shalom...kim

[PreachersWife2004]

The lions are silver and blue.

[Nadiine]

Hi Bro...Just wanted see what this place was like...Amazing how the maturity( or lack it) of a believer can show up in threads...Some really make you wonder if they have truly committed their lives to Chrsist....shalom...kim
Um........ he does realize that he just did the same... and has a Christian symbol up there, right? :doh: :doh:

(help me Lord)
:swoon:

[Nadiine]

would repping HizKid's post show that I turned my other cheek?
:sorry:

[Nadiine]

The lions are silver and blue.
yep. I LOVE those colors. =)

[PreachersWife2004]

First I gotta rep you for YOUR post about HisKid.

[Auntie]

Hi Bro...Just wanted see what this place was like...Amazing how the maturity( or lack it) of a believer can show up in threads...Some really make you wonder if they have truly committed their lives to Chrsist....shalom...kim


Amen, Kim, good to see you here.:)

Love ya brother.:hug:

[edb19]

I'm a packers and a lions fan so I won't be of much help to you Nadiine.

my fingers aren't too nimble tonight - tried to rep you and must have hit a wrong key

it was really to ask a question anyway - but isn't being a Packers and a Lions fan rather difficult (seems to me like their's is a pretty big rivalry)

[edb19]

^_^ ^_^ I barely have energy to hang around here, barely even follow the Steelers (catch it on the radio on occasion)~really yer not missin' much:sorry:

Big Ben is from my hometown:thumbsup: He makes the Steelers worth watching.

And yes Nadine, I did watch baseball last night (also my Red Wings)

edie

[PreachersWife2004]

It's easy until the two teams play each other. Then I have issues. Since I'm a Michigan girl, born and raised, I have always been a Lions fan. But...I love me some Brett Favre. Given the crappy way both teams have been playing these days, though, I sometimes just flip a coin!

[Tangeloper]

It's easy until the two teams play each other. Then I have issues. Since I'm a Michigan girl, born and raised, I have always been a Lions fan. But...I love me some Brett Favre. Given the crappy way both teams have been playing these days, though, I sometimes just flip a coin!
*ROFL* Laughing at the question about being a Packers and a Lions fan... Try being a Bears Fan living in Packer-land! :eek: ;)

[edb19]

*ROFL* Laughing at the question about being a Packers and a Lions fan... Try being a Bears Fan living in Packer-land! :eek: ;)

That's just WRONG!!!