spirit1st
20th October 2007, 09:04 PM
this is what i see brother
WE are not flesh and blood. but merely trapped in these EVIl bodies. They are EVIL because of SIN. But DIE because of that FACT.
WE do not DIE EVER.
We are a spirit.Some SAY? evil Evil being of course sinners .Sinners are evil beings?
sin is the onlt thing that makes us Evil. many Hate that thought. But it is true. All sinners are Evil beings.
Some SAY perfect.
But GOD tells us? HE is the FATHER of Spirits
His children are ALL spirit beings!
The question is? Are they Evil or NOT.
I guess it really comes down to? Are we truly BORN OF GOD ? is it a tru1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
e experience?
If so? What kind of NEW CREATURE are WE?
I "ll tell you?
are these true scriptures to accept by FAITH or NOT ???
is there room in our HEARTS [spirits] for HIS honliness and SIN ?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Is this after we are BORN of GOD or after DEATH?
I know many can find a scripture to live by !
But will that scripture agree with other scriptures?
DESS. I accept the KING JAMES as TRUTH.
Here is my thought ?
The things taught by the HOLY GHOST are mostly the meat or we can say spiritual trues. Who ever wrote the book would have to have been , born again [or they would not have the HOLY GHOST to teach them the meaning]
or have been taught the correct word to use ?
Without the HOLY GHOST we will never know deep trues. we will live by our understanding or those around us. [could be a pastor or teacher or others]
Now I see the church as PERFECT. meaning NO sin. So what do I see as the church?
The church is made up of Spirit beings from ALL over the world. Who live in sinful flesh bodies.
I see these beings as NOT under the law. They live by Faith and Grace.
They live in bodies , that are under a different law and these bodies are Already judged EVIL.
These bodies CANNOT please GOD no matter what.
the body we live in MUST die. They are evil, which means ? they are sin full. Because of sin is the reason they die.
if GOD could ? I would say, HE would have saved them.
But it appears to me? Everything sin touches dies.
Even the very earth we dwell on is dying. And will be replaced , just as our spirit had to be replaced.
The bible teaches us. our spirit is dead to GOD, because of Sin.
After being Born again
Our spirit is alive to GOD once again.
He gives us a new start. We could say ? He removes the Sin .which separated us from GOD to begin with !
But i know ? HE gives us a NEW SPIRIT!
There are many scriptures that reveal this or are a example ? I do not know which to use?
But the graves were opened and the saints came out. They could not go to heaven for a couple of reasons.
They had to be BORN AGAIN. NO sin in there spirit!
some scriptures are very clear on this.
yet i guess not accepted as truth in the form written in the bible?
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
this perfect merely means ? NO SIN
I cannot say, nothing more takes place in us at BORN AGAIN. As i know MUCH takes place !
He did a LOT in that quick moment I believe. Maybe far more than even by Faith , others will accept as TRUTH???
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
THIS is the SEED we are BORN FROM !
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.
THIS SEED clearly is Not corruptible. In other words? sin cannot corrupt it
BECAUSE ONLY SIN corrupts anything !
This tells us? the things we see will not last ! Why will they not LAST ? Because of SIN .Everything we see with our EYES dies because of SIN.
NOT one thing on this planet could be SAVED. Nothing.
GOD had a problem ? HE wanted to saved us , but we were corrupted, in spirit , soul and body. How could HE saved any of us?
Well, He made us NEW CREATURES. HE gave us a new spirit. and all other parts follow.
of course by making us NEW CREATURES . We would need new names . which of course HE has waiting on us , al;ong with many more things !
in order to see this as I do ? you would have to believe the wages of SIN is eternal DEATH.
You would to believe SIN is the very worse thing to GOD !
And that Sin , was the problem for ADAM and EVE and that it is the main and only FACTOR that kept us separated from GOD !
Some I think? think lightly of sin. As if we can sin and it is nothing but normal for us ?
It is not, it is a killer , worse than any thing on EARTH.
It kills every thing it touches , it has never left even one alive
Every person man woman child animal , everything is infected with this EVIL THING. And ALL die 100%
That is why we die .
GOD gives us a new spirit and protects it. He seals it first. This tells all in the spirit realm ? This belongs to GOD.
Then He gave us a mind and nature that would NEVER SIN , NO matter what.
Now what mind would that be???
The mind of CHRIST , He was tested and tried and lived on the earth perfectly.
Then HE gave us a nature , which was also tested and tried. Our LORDS nature.
But we are start off babies in our spirit ,like any new birth .
we must grow , our spirit FEEDS on the living Word it is life to us and will cause us to grow the more we feed it.
THESE are our Spirit , having being BORN OF GOD!
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
This is us at our birth! many NEVER GROW IN THERE SPIRIT!
THIS scripture tells us ? our flesh is dead because of SIN.
But our Spirit is alive because of NO sin. righteousness here simple means ? NO SIN
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
this scripture tells us we are WASHED. WASHED CLEAN, WASHED CLEAN OF WHAT? SIN
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Gal 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Phm 1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
GODS law is the law of LOVE!
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
THAT is EVERYTHING WE SEE is suffering because of SIN.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
THIS SANCITFICATION is of OUR SPIRIT!
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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HE HAD to GIVE us a START in this AERA, or we could not become as our LORD JESUS CHRIST. BORN AGAIN is our START !
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
after being born of GOD?
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskillfull in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
our converation is in heaven , because after the NEW birth we are part of the KINGDOM OF GOD. No longer part of this world. But of HIS household and family!
His very children, which HE wanted before the earth was made!
tried and tested children. made after HIS only begotten SON, JESUS CHRIST!
Who is our pattern and example in every way!
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
The point being? CAN EVIL [sinners] be joined with HIM.
[b]1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
OUR SPIRIT , ONCE BORN OF GOD, Hate these bodies. They cry out to GOD to be free of these evil sinfilled bodies. We never hear them , But the LORD does!
Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
THIS is the point the LORD wants each of us to BE!
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
This for told of our time on earth. in the new testament!
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
If you read these very slow or a couple of times? THE HOLY GHOST might well reveal these to you!
There is NO reason to be BORN AGAIN , except to make us NEW CREATURES. Clean creatures a second start.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
old testament holy people!
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
THE promise was JESUS CHRIST and us becoming NEW CREATURES!
i could say lots more about that. but this is long now!
:clap:
WE are not flesh and blood. but merely trapped in these EVIl bodies. They are EVIL because of SIN. But DIE because of that FACT.
WE do not DIE EVER.
We are a spirit.Some SAY? evil Evil being of course sinners .Sinners are evil beings?
sin is the onlt thing that makes us Evil. many Hate that thought. But it is true. All sinners are Evil beings.
Some SAY perfect.
But GOD tells us? HE is the FATHER of Spirits
His children are ALL spirit beings!
The question is? Are they Evil or NOT.
I guess it really comes down to? Are we truly BORN OF GOD ? is it a tru1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
e experience?
If so? What kind of NEW CREATURE are WE?
I "ll tell you?
are these true scriptures to accept by FAITH or NOT ???
is there room in our HEARTS [spirits] for HIS honliness and SIN ?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Is this after we are BORN of GOD or after DEATH?
I know many can find a scripture to live by !
But will that scripture agree with other scriptures?
DESS. I accept the KING JAMES as TRUTH.
Here is my thought ?
The things taught by the HOLY GHOST are mostly the meat or we can say spiritual trues. Who ever wrote the book would have to have been , born again [or they would not have the HOLY GHOST to teach them the meaning]
or have been taught the correct word to use ?
Without the HOLY GHOST we will never know deep trues. we will live by our understanding or those around us. [could be a pastor or teacher or others]
Now I see the church as PERFECT. meaning NO sin. So what do I see as the church?
The church is made up of Spirit beings from ALL over the world. Who live in sinful flesh bodies.
I see these beings as NOT under the law. They live by Faith and Grace.
They live in bodies , that are under a different law and these bodies are Already judged EVIL.
These bodies CANNOT please GOD no matter what.
the body we live in MUST die. They are evil, which means ? they are sin full. Because of sin is the reason they die.
if GOD could ? I would say, HE would have saved them.
But it appears to me? Everything sin touches dies.
Even the very earth we dwell on is dying. And will be replaced , just as our spirit had to be replaced.
The bible teaches us. our spirit is dead to GOD, because of Sin.
After being Born again
Our spirit is alive to GOD once again.
He gives us a new start. We could say ? He removes the Sin .which separated us from GOD to begin with !
But i know ? HE gives us a NEW SPIRIT!
There are many scriptures that reveal this or are a example ? I do not know which to use?
But the graves were opened and the saints came out. They could not go to heaven for a couple of reasons.
They had to be BORN AGAIN. NO sin in there spirit!
some scriptures are very clear on this.
yet i guess not accepted as truth in the form written in the bible?
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
this perfect merely means ? NO SIN
I cannot say, nothing more takes place in us at BORN AGAIN. As i know MUCH takes place !
He did a LOT in that quick moment I believe. Maybe far more than even by Faith , others will accept as TRUTH???
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
THIS is the SEED we are BORN FROM !
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.
THIS SEED clearly is Not corruptible. In other words? sin cannot corrupt it
BECAUSE ONLY SIN corrupts anything !
This tells us? the things we see will not last ! Why will they not LAST ? Because of SIN .Everything we see with our EYES dies because of SIN.
NOT one thing on this planet could be SAVED. Nothing.
GOD had a problem ? HE wanted to saved us , but we were corrupted, in spirit , soul and body. How could HE saved any of us?
Well, He made us NEW CREATURES. HE gave us a new spirit. and all other parts follow.
of course by making us NEW CREATURES . We would need new names . which of course HE has waiting on us , al;ong with many more things !
in order to see this as I do ? you would have to believe the wages of SIN is eternal DEATH.
You would to believe SIN is the very worse thing to GOD !
And that Sin , was the problem for ADAM and EVE and that it is the main and only FACTOR that kept us separated from GOD !
Some I think? think lightly of sin. As if we can sin and it is nothing but normal for us ?
It is not, it is a killer , worse than any thing on EARTH.
It kills every thing it touches , it has never left even one alive
Every person man woman child animal , everything is infected with this EVIL THING. And ALL die 100%
That is why we die .
GOD gives us a new spirit and protects it. He seals it first. This tells all in the spirit realm ? This belongs to GOD.
Then He gave us a mind and nature that would NEVER SIN , NO matter what.
Now what mind would that be???
The mind of CHRIST , He was tested and tried and lived on the earth perfectly.
Then HE gave us a nature , which was also tested and tried. Our LORDS nature.
But we are start off babies in our spirit ,like any new birth .
we must grow , our spirit FEEDS on the living Word it is life to us and will cause us to grow the more we feed it.
THESE are our Spirit , having being BORN OF GOD!
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
This is us at our birth! many NEVER GROW IN THERE SPIRIT!
THIS scripture tells us ? our flesh is dead because of SIN.
But our Spirit is alive because of NO sin. righteousness here simple means ? NO SIN
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
this scripture tells us we are WASHED. WASHED CLEAN, WASHED CLEAN OF WHAT? SIN
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Gal 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Phm 1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
GODS law is the law of LOVE!
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
THAT is EVERYTHING WE SEE is suffering because of SIN.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
THIS SANCITFICATION is of OUR SPIRIT!
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
]
HE HAD to GIVE us a START in this AERA, or we could not become as our LORD JESUS CHRIST. BORN AGAIN is our START !
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
after being born of GOD?
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskillfull in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
our converation is in heaven , because after the NEW birth we are part of the KINGDOM OF GOD. No longer part of this world. But of HIS household and family!
His very children, which HE wanted before the earth was made!
tried and tested children. made after HIS only begotten SON, JESUS CHRIST!
Who is our pattern and example in every way!
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
The point being? CAN EVIL [sinners] be joined with HIM.
[b]1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
OUR SPIRIT , ONCE BORN OF GOD, Hate these bodies. They cry out to GOD to be free of these evil sinfilled bodies. We never hear them , But the LORD does!
Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
THIS is the point the LORD wants each of us to BE!
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
This for told of our time on earth. in the new testament!
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
If you read these very slow or a couple of times? THE HOLY GHOST might well reveal these to you!
There is NO reason to be BORN AGAIN , except to make us NEW CREATURES. Clean creatures a second start.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
old testament holy people!
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
THE promise was JESUS CHRIST and us becoming NEW CREATURES!
i could say lots more about that. but this is long now!
:clap: