Fixing CC (OT Spin off)

[Rep Daddy]

depends on who stays tho... people use intimidation without having to change theology.
I've seen it done and I've seen another ministry dry right up & fold as the conservatives who took their stands were forced right out BY CHRISTIANS who sided with the liberals. Don't think that many liberals dont know that tactic either.
Am I accusing here? absolutely not, I'm WARNING that it's the Christians who are seeking 'unity' who end up pushing out the ones taking the hard stands. Not the liberals.
& once THEY leave, the opposing group has room to start on the theology.

Now you know why I've been so adamant? And the signs have already shown up here. This is how it started.
I probly look paranoid to some, but I don't care. But it has happened and it is a real tactic. So if this all comes to pass later, you know I gave a warning signal of how it happens.
It's not the liberals that do the actual harm; it's the Christians who were trying to accomodate their 'enemy', bending over backwards to be loving & kind & fair... while they'de harshly attack (us) Christians who were giving warning about what's going on.

We get shoved out. This happened with 4U too. Erwin went liberal & yanked the Creeds, and the serious christians took off & scattered. left it wide open.

DOES ANYONE SEE IT?:doh:


Lots of insight.

Fact is though... all of this is dependent on the direction set by the new CEO.

If it stays as is I think CC will find it hard to fend off those who prefer a "tolerant" site where the undefined term "Christian" can cloak unrepentant sin and outright heresy.

[Nadiine]

What's the solution, Nadiine? I do see what you're saying. Does there need to be a Conservative/Liberal forum? It's not really unity we are seeking, is it? It's just fellowship...being civil, respectful and friendly with each other.
Free thank you for seeing what I'm warning about, it's a very real tactic and it's effective (some or many of them know it too).
Like i said, i've been 10 years in warfare... this is a common thing I see. So i'm not just here to be a party pooper & liberal "hater".... and can I expres this?

ALL LIBERALS DO NOT HAVE THIS AGENDA! I cannot stress that enough. I am not attacking all - but i'm seeing the beginning cracks of just this and frankly i'm afraid of what's coming. They always say FEAR makes people frantic... that's kinda what I've been in what i'm seeing.
I've desperately been trying to keep us together and yet stop this from coming.

Ok, solution wise? Let me think on it. It might mean changing some rules or changing/adding more detail to the SOF - it might be adding a new forum yes.
Look, I'm not opposed to liberals coming here to hang out some - I am concerned when it's an influx and they start becoming larger in number. or start being more of an influence.

I dunno Free, but thank you for at least hearng me out & not shutting me down immediately - I appreciate that alot.
:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Nadiine]

Lots of insight.

Fact is though... all of this is dependent on the direction set by the new CEO.

If it stays as is I think CC will find it hard to fend off those who prefer a "tolerant" site where the undefined term "Christian" can cloak unrepentant sin and outright heresy.
I can't take credit for my 'insight' on that tactic, I watched it happen 2 times in that exact order and it wiped out the ministry.
Christians turned on Christian - one went liberal, the other stayed conservative.

But you're right Steve -- it all depends on how he's going to change this site... if at all.
But in the meantime, we dont' know how long that will be and we may need to tight up some bolts in our own wiki or rules to guard from this.
HOW? I do not know yet.

But as long as the tactic is exposed, it will be harder (hopefully) for it to be accomplished here when people have been alerted to the steps. If just that is seen, then I can rest becuz I've done my job.

I truly don't know HOW to stop it tho... maybe that can be brainstormed next?? if people believe it.

[Rep Daddy]

I'm outta here.

[Nadiine]

OK, the extended version . . . .

Try talking about something other than board policy and how upset y'all are about stuff. Talk about kids and cookies and cockatiels. Shoes and ships and sealing wax. Cabbages and kings.

And serve cookies.

I think this speaks for itself :yawn:

[Nadiine]

When I want theological fellowship (and social fellowship, too) I go to my TCL home.

When I want to socialize with other conservatives I come here to CC.

When I just want to socialize with Christians, I visit just about anywhere on the board where I am welcome.

I think the attitude people must have in order for CC to be "fixed" is that while we are conservatives, we are not the only right Christians in the world. I imagine that many of my liberal Christian friends will be joining me at the pearly gates.

We need to know that we can come here and discuss conservative issues like abortion without being hassled by those that don't agree with us, but that doesn't mean we shut out everyone who disagrees with us.

Jesus always welcomed the sinners. He rebuked people when necessary, and loved when necessary. If only we can pattern ourselves after him MORE and less after what WE think.

Peace to all who read this. I'm praying for this forum.
That's YOUR vision and you're welcome to it.

No conservatives are saying "we're the only Christians", but I will say I have serious discrepancy with what that group considers a Christian when open sin is accepted and denied that it's even sin.

Theologically, i guess that goes in the debate subforum and not on the main board here.
So this isn't a debate main forum anyways as I see it?

It's not about welcoming people, it's about not being run over by them... which I still wonder why the mass interest in just US & not mormons, baptists, lutherans, 7th day adventists, etc. etc.
What's the big interest w/ us when everybody else here is "Christian" too? are we the only group in town?
lol
One does wonder.... :scratch:
:angel: :angel:

[NewGuy101]

That's YOUR vision and you're welcome to it.

No conservatives are saying "we're the only Christians", but I will say I have serious discrepancy with what that group considers a Christian when open sin is accepted and denied that it's even sin.

Theologically, i guess that goes in the debate subforum and not on the main board here.
So this isn't a debate main forum anyways as I see it?

It's not about welcoming people, it's about not being run over by them... which I still wonder why the mass interest in just US & not mormons, baptists, lutherans, 7th day adventists, etc. etc.
What's the big interest w/ us when everybody else here is "Christian" too? are we the only group in town?
lol
One does wonder.... :scratch:
:angel: :angel:
everyone has an interest in militant fundies ;)

[Nadiine]

everyone has an interest in militant fundies ;)
rofl
ya, but aren't baptists known for that too??? :P :cool:
(uh, no offense folks, I was born & raised baptist);)

[BelindaP]

Maybe the other areas get invaded just as much, except they don't make as big a fuss about it. I don't know, because I haven't been here that long. Just a thought.

[Rep Daddy]

This thread is don~E~.

[BelindaP]

Whatever, Steve.

[NewGuy101]

Maybe the other areas get invaded just as much, except they don't make as big a fuss about it. I don't know, because I haven't been here that long. Just a thought.
How about some valid statement other than "maybe this or maybe that"?

[BelindaP]

Because I don't make definitive statements about stuff I don't know. I'm thowing an idea out for people in a position to know to consider.

[Lisa0315]

Negative, Negative, Negative.

[BelindaP]

Sorry, Lisa. I'll try to be better.

[NewGuy101]

Because I don't make definitive statements about stuff I don't know. I'm thowing an idea out for people in a position to know to consider.
Any forum that gets attacked with polar oppsite ideals would complain. That's plain common sense. Even fi another forum would get "invaded" if it was by indivduals with similar views, they wouldn't care.

[Rep Daddy]

Whatever, Steve.

Let me know when IIDB owns this place.

[NewGuy101]

:D Let me know when IIDB owns this place.:D

[Joykins]

Well, I personally come here because your forum is large and interesting, I do have a conservative side (I agree with like 95% of your statement of faith), and a lot of you I know and like from other forums.

I don't know if youall consider me an attacker, though. I've been here off and on from the very beginning and clear that I'm a guest..

[NewGuy101]

Well, I personally come here because your forum is large and interesting, I do have a conservative side (I agree with like 95% of your statement of faith), and a lot of you I know and like from other forums.

I don't know if youall consider me an attacker, though. I've been here off and on from the very beginning and clear that I'm a guest..
What don't you agree with?

[Joykins]

What don't you agree with?

Ask me in the debate subforum and I'll answer you :)

[PreachersWife2004]

I guess I'm just confused where all this talk of unity is coming from. I keep hearing it from you, Nadiine, but I'm not seeing it.

I LIKE having my non-Conservative friends come here and fellowship - and just because someone isn't a member at CC doesn't automatically make them liberal, either.

Many of my friends are liberal in both their politics and their religion. We don't agree on a lot of things. But one thing we DO agree on is that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. I think, in the end, when we're at the pearly gates, THAT will be the deciding factor in whether we enter them or not, not whether we participated in a liberal or conservative forum.

Does this mean we allow our own theology to be watered down? Of course not, and no one has claimed that here in CC. Perhaps the world outside of our home forums isn't so nice - I've seen plenty of people knocking each religion down for one reason or the other - but that's not here. And with the rules that are set forth here, that won't happen. It's very easy to hit the report button when someone comes in a violates a rule that CC has set forth.

Many other denoms visit TCL on a regular basis. They fellowship with us, and some even contribute (but not debate) on theology threads. So far, we've had very little problems with people, because the problems that we have had were dealt with quickly. We're not afraid to use the report button when someone is violating the rules. (and that's not to say that people here at CC are afraid, mind you).

The way I see it, right now, WE'RE the ones promoting this huge US and THEM thing. It's part of the reason why I rescinded my membership yesterday. It's great to have a forum where we can be conservative, but even in real life, I don't tend to hang out with conservative people 24/7 and I certainly don't slam the door on anyone who might disagree with me. I've felt like suddenly that's what CC has been doing, or trying to, anyway, based on the posts from select people in the forum.

I realize that we don't want unity. I don't want unity as far as joining the forums together. As I mentioned in the other thread, this is where I come to fellowship with other conservatives, and perhaps others who aren't conservative but who know how to be respectful.

It seems now that in order to do that, I'd have to go post socially in WWMC, which would then become an issue here.

It's kind of a damned if I do, damned if I don't thing. And that's not really fair, in my opinion.

I've tried not to make this a debating post, since I am not officially a member here at the moment, but if anyone sees anything that could be construed as debating and wants it removed, please take a load off the mods and PM me first so we can discuss it together before a report has to be made. I'm a very reasonable person, and in most cases I will gladly self-edit before someone has to file a report.

Thanks. :hug:

[Auntie]

drstevej, IIDB already owns this place.

Just for starters, do an IIDB search on Time. You will find 97 posts mocking and ridiculing him. And then he gets sacked as a mod. Do the math.

[PreachersWife2004]

Auntie, he got sacked as a mod because he wasn't giving himself a good representation with what he was posting. IIDB didn't get him fired, he got himself fired.

And, he's reapplied already, so who knows how that will go.

[CaDan]

drstevej, IIDB already owns this place.

While Spherical Time explored the option, it was about 99% in jest.

Just for starters, do an IIDB search on Time. You will find 97 posts mocking and ridiculing him. And then he gets sacked as a mod. Do the math.

Not all mentions are mocking, you know.

[Auntie]

Not all mentions are mocking, you know.


Uh, yes they are. I've read most of them, including yours.

[Auntie]

Auntie, he got sacked as a mod because he wasn't giving himself a good representation with what he was posting.

He got sacked as a mod because he spoke his convictions. It happens all the time. Nothing new here.

[PreachersWife2004]

He got sacked as a mod because he spoke his convictions. It happens all the time. Nothing new here.

I disagree, but I'm not going to argue with you on it.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

:wave: Hi folks...I've moved this thread into the debate subforum.

[GreenMunchkin]

Not all mentions are mocking, you know.Why is it happening, at all? Honestly, why do so many of you use IIDB to gossip about people? Genuinely, what does it achieve?

[CaDan]

Uh, yes they are. I've read most of them, including yours.

Disagreement is not "mocking." C'mon, you know this stuff!

The claim of "ownership" by IIDB (more properly, Internet Infidels) is completely without support. As you well know, II allows one thread where people decompress from CF/4U, and has done so for years.

Anyway, aside from forum drama, how you doin'?

[CaDan]

Why is it happening, at all? Honestly, why do so many of you use IIDB to gossip about people? Genuinely, what does it achieve?

Liberty. Fraternity. Equality.

80s music video exchange.

Medical updates.

Sometimes truth and reconciliation.

[GreenMunchkin]

Liberty. Fraternity. Equality.

80s music video exchange.

Medical updates.

Sometimes truth and reconciliation.That's not what I asked, though.

Why are so many Christians using IIDB to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] and moan about other Christians behind their backs? There's not even an iota of integirty about it, and it's wilfully cruel.

What does it achieve and why's it done?

[NewGuy101]

Ask me in the debate subforum and I'll answer you :)
this is now in the debate subforum...now you can tell me

[CaDan]

That's not what I asked, though.

Why are so many Christians using IIDB to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] and moan about other Christians behind their backs? There's not even an iota of integirty about it, and it's wilfully cruel.

What does it achieve and why's it done?

It is not behind people's backs. Sign up and you get the same protection of the rules against flaming as any member.

That being said, people do gossip. The also fight and even use bad words sometimes. But they also actually communicate with one another, too. Because everything is in the same thread, the discussions range all over and touch upon everybody's underlying humanity.

[GreenMunchkin]

It is not behind people's backs. Sign up and you get the same protection of the rules against flaming as any member.

That being said, people do gossip. The also fight and even use bad words sometimes. But they also actually communicate with one another, too. Because everything is in the same thread, the discussions range all over and touch upon everybody's underlying humanity.Am not questioning people's humanity. That's a strawman.

I'm questioning the lack of kindness.

[CaDan]

Am not questioning people's humanity. That's a strawman.

An I never accused you of doing so.


I'm questioning the lack of kindness.[/quote]

I think you will find a great deal of it mixed in with some rants and raves. I posit that having a simple "no flaming" rule with no concern for orthodoxy or privilege results in people eventually having to talk with each other. This is not always the case, but in the instance of the ~E~ CF threads it has occurred.

The Internet equivalent of the common table seems to have worked there. To bring this thread sort of back to its original topic, perhaps you should consider some of the things that made that work and how you can implement them here.

[BelindaP]

If you sign into the thread, you are protected from flames, per the rules.

Sure, there's a lot of complaining that goes on there, but there is also a tremendous amount of fellowship. I've seen people's pictures of their babies. I've prayed and cried with them when life has been tough on them. I've even been involved in a few fights. I've also seen people who hated each other make up and become friends again. It's a mixed bag.

[GreenMunchkin]

An I never accused you of doing so.

I think you will find a great deal of it mixed in with some rants and raves. I posit that having a simple "no flaming" rule with no concern for orthodoxy or privilege results in people eventually having to talk with each other. This is not always the case, but in the instance of the ~E~ CF threads it has occurred.

The Internet equivalent of the common table seems to have worked there. To bring this thread sort of back to its original topic, perhaps you should consider some of the things that made that work and how you can implement them here.Not in a million years. We're leaning on God to make CC work. He'll do it just fine. Not gonna see CC become IIDBified.

Pardon the brusqueness, but everything I've heard and seen of IIDB is dark dark dark, and the idea of CC emulating it in any way is nonsensical on every level imaginable.

Cheers for the honest answers :)

[Joykins]

For NewGuy101:

I believe absolute truth exists but I'm not dogmatic about it because I realize it is inevitable that I'm in some error because I'm NOT GOD! Through a glass darkly and all that. I'm willing to let God work that out. I look to the gospels and particularly the Sermon on the Mount to figure out what my job is as a Christian.



The minimum standard of doctrinal belief in order for a person to be considered a Christian is accurately contained within the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds. The doctrines contained within these creeds are the bare essentials upon which Christians must agree. It is understood, however, that even within the creeds there are some differences of interpretation. Specifically, it is allowed in this forum that the term “Catholic Church” can be understood to mean the universal, invisible body of which all Christians are members. The phrase “one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” can be understood in a symbolic sense.The word Christian is more properly defined as a follower of Christ. The Apostles and Nicene creeds spell out orthodox beliefs, but there are unorthodox (heretical) beliefs that are also meaningfully described as Christian.



The sanctity of human life. Human life begins at conception and ends when the body can no longer naturally sustain itself. Human life can not be ended prematurely without just cause and just authority to do so. This includes most cases of abortion and euthanasia.I think human life began at creation and ends for each individual at death. If I am a vegetable I seriously want my family to pull the plug and I think other people's wishes in similar situations should be honored. I don't think the egg stops living between the time it is a cell in my body and becomes part of someone else's. The question is where that transition happens when we talk about rights, and I don't know. Medically, pregnancy starts at implantation. I think abortion is usually wrong but I also think that making it a law enforcement problem is the wrong solution. I don't think the Bible directly addresses either of these issues as the technology that makes the issues more complex wasn't present (wasn't anything as a safe abortion or a person who could live hooked up to machines). The Bible does have places that affirm the value of fetuses as well as places that seem to advocate infanticide or genocide. I would rather have it totally support human life than those ambiguities, but God didn't inspire the Bible to suit my preferences obviously.

Sexual morality is a fundamental requirement of Christian moral teaching. The Scriptures repeatedly address the topic of traditional sexual morality as a necessary part of our obedience to God and right living. Sexually moral behavior, in Scripture, and in the established teachings of the Church is held to be limited to sex between a husband and his wife. All other sexual activities fall under the heading of sexual immorality and depart from conservative christian teaching and morality.


I'm more or less Ok with this but I do think as part of Jesus's loving the underdog and "unclean" of society, churches need to think through their positions on homosexuality. Some go too far and others not far enough -- in many cases not far enough in love (so many mouth "love the sinner hate the sin" as if having an orientation were intrinsically evil while slurs pour out the other side of their mouth--this is not love), in some cases so far past love that all judgment gets thrown out the window. All sexuality should be used in a way that would please God, we need to hold our consciences up to his light to figure it out for ourselves rather than finding a convenient underdog to kick IMO. When it comes to sexual sins I think my not paying attention to my husband could be just as bad as anything dramatic. It's often those "little things" that get you. I think the point about the banality of evil is well-made.

The positions on sola scriptura and biblical literalism are non-positions that I'm fine with also.

[Joykins]

Not in a million years. We're leaning on God to make CC work. He'll do it just fine. Not gonna see CC become IIDBified.

Pardon the brusqueness, but everything I've heard and seen of IIDB is dark dark dark, and the idea of CC emulating it in any way is nonsensical on every level imaginable.

Cheers for the honest answers :)

Consider the possibility of reporting bias. Anyone ever clipped you anything nice said about yourself? Ask yourself why not. You have friends who post there.

[CaDan]

Not in a million years. We're leaning on God to make CC work. He'll do it just fine. Not gonna see CC become IIDBified.

What does IIDBified even mean?

Pardon the brusqueness, but everything I've heard and seen of IIDB is dark dark dark, and the idea of CC emulating it in any way is nonsensical on every level imaginable.

Well, you can change the forum skin. I prefer the After Dark theme myself--it's easy on the eyes. ;)

More seriously, what I am saying is check out the things that do work and take them. Some things don't work. The politics forums there are just as nasty as the politics forums here (I know, I moderate one of them). But internal forum drama is pretty minimal. The Staff Conference Room is boring.

If IIDB is too foreign, you can take a look at OBOB, which has a thriving community, too.

[GreenMunchkin]

Consider the possibility of reporting bias. Anyone ever clipped you anything nice said about yourself? Ask yourself why not. You have friends who post there.Well that reads as terribly snidey, but that's fair enough :hug:

I'm aware some of my very favourite CF people post there. I wouldn't presume to judge them for it. But I want no part of it, at all.

What does IIDBified even mean?It means become like IIDB :) I was playing it fast and loose with teh grammarz.

Well, you can change the forum skin. I prefer the After Dark theme myself--it's easy on the eyes. ;)

More seriously, what I am saying is check out the things that do work and take them. Some things don't work. The politics forums there are just as nasty as the politics forums here (I know, I moderate one of them). But internal forum drama is pretty minimal. The Staff Conference Room is boring.

If IIDB is too foreign, you can take a look at OBOB, which has a thriving community, too.Yeah, not interested in having any looks at IIDB, taa.

But, OBOB is the awesome, I know. Spending a bit of time in there, recently. Not a bad way to wile away the time.

But CC was very beautiful, and it will be again. We just needed to stand up to some stuff.

[Joykins]

Well that reads as terribly snidey, but that's fair enough :hug:

I didn't mean it that way. What I would like you to consider is that whoever is sending you nasty stuff may be wanting to stir up bad feelings--because there are a lot of people there who like you :hug: and say nice things about you if they mention you at all :hug: and others, well, behave consistently as they do here which can sometimes be unfortunate.

I'm aware some of my very favourite CF people post there. I wouldn't presume to judge them for it. But I want no part of it, at all.

Admittedly it is not for everyone.

I tend sometimes to run afoul because I say things (often as jokes) that I do not consider as insulting or hurtful but others do. A failure to be sensitive enough to others. If I have said anything like that, please know that I am sorry :hug:

[GreenMunchkin]

[/color]I didn't mean it that way. What I would like you to consider is that whoever is sending you nasty stuff may be wanting to stir up bad feelings--because there are a lot of people there who like you :hug: and say nice things about you if they mention you at all :hug: and others, well, behave consistently as they do here which can sometimes be unfortunate.Ack, it's more that I don't want to see people being mean about *anyone*. I reckon loads of people join cos they feel they'll be left out of the loop or the "in crowd" if they're not a member, but I'd find it crazy-making. Being out of the loop is generally quieter :)

Mostly, though, the 2 times I had a mosey about, spiritually my warning bells went haywire. Was lively.

But thank you for clarifying :) :hug:


Admittedly it is not for everyone.

I tend sometimes to run afoul because I say things (often as jokes) that I do not consider as insulting or hurtful but others do. A failure to be sensitive enough to others. If I have said anything like that, please know that I am sorry :hug:Fankoo! :hug: Likewise veddy much :) :hug:

[JimfromOhio]

Subcribing so I can come back tonight

[Angel4Truth]

It is not behind people's backs. Sign up and you get the same protection of the rules against flaming as any member. Thats a joke.

That being said, people do gossip. The also fight and even use bad words sometimes.You bet they do.

But they also actually communicate with one another, too. Because everything is in the same thread, the discussions range all over and touch upon everybody's underlying humanity.rarely and usually only if ideologies match of the participants. the doublestandard over there is astounding.

[Latreia]

Let me know when IIDB owns this place.

drstevej, IIDB already owns this place.

Just for starters, do an IIDB search on Time. You will find 97 posts mocking and ridiculing him. And then he gets sacked as a mod. Do the math.

Why is it happening, at all? Honestly, why do so many of you use IIDB to gossip about people? Genuinely, what does it achieve?

That's not what I asked, though.

Why are so many Christians using IIDB to [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] and moan about other Christians behind their backs? There's not even an iota of integirty about it, and it's wilfully cruel.

What does it achieve and why's it done?

Not in a million years. We're leaning on God to make CC work. He'll do it just fine. Not gonna see CC become IIDBified.

Pardon the brusqueness, but everything I've heard and seen of IIDB is dark dark dark, and the idea of CC emulating it in any way is nonsensical on every level imaginable.

Cheers for the honest answers :)

Thats a joke.

You bet they do.

rarely and usually only if ideologies match of the participants. the doublestandard over there is astounding.

My standard measure is usually whatever CF member is trashed over in IIDB can be
trusted. The hypocrisy over there is not only hideous, it is contagious, and it infects any who buys into that hot house atmosphere where poisonous plants thrive.

Never believe anything CaDan wants you to listen to about either ~Elsewhere~
or his preaching to Christians about how he thinks you should live in any way.

BTW, they do clean up a bit over there, just so it doesn't look too bad. But their bittterness and animosity shines through anyway, I think.

Several of their members who trashed me both in posts and pms there later made a point to apologize and admit they had been won over at first, therefore hating me was part of their dues.

They pander to "freedom" from any restrictions on obscenity, profanity, and the most vulgar displays of "humor"
They most surely seem to be totally obsessive about the evil, not just of Fundies, but just as dismissive of our Conservative Christian standards.

With Erwin's complete approval, remember, CF WIKIS were the spawn of CaDan himself. You can see why, with the result that there is now a secret forum deliberately placed there "for privacy"
the Beth Miqlat.

Think of all the months and thousands of posts fighting for access to staff actions.

"No accountability without accessability."

What a total charade and back handed insult to the last conservative Christians that were on staff. Now, amazingly, here is a place where only CF members that will buy into it are allowed.

Just think about that.

http://foru.ms/t6128006-wiki-beth-miqlat.html


:help:

[IamRedeemed]

So, is this IIDB I keep hearing about Erwin's new "baby"?:confused:

[NewGuy101]

So, is this IIDB I keep hearing about Erwin's new "baby"?:confused:
It would make a lot of sense

[Nadiine]

If people who "CLAIM" the Lord spent more time in the BIBLE and prayer, they'de spend less time gossipping and pointing fingers at others.

It's EASY to gossip & attack - but toxic people like that live for it. What is in the heart comes out of the mouth as Jesus said.
"For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks".

I stay far clear of toxic people and this site has plenty of them and their words simply manifest who they really are inwardly.
That is their fruit (and alot of it doesn't line up with what God tells us is the fruit of HIS Spirit).

If you spend most of your time trying to pick apart others with critique & insult, rest assured you have more beams in your own eyes that need fixing first.

God will judge every idle word spoken against others in malice. For some, that won't be a pretty day for them at all.

[Nadiine]

ps: I mean this in support of latreia's post regarding the IIDB forum & people who use it as a platform to sling mud & mock Christians. (whether they're RIGHT or wrong, it's wrong to do).

[Latreia]

So, is this IIDB I keep hearing about Erwin's new "baby"?:confused:

Not that I ever knew of. You see, it always belonged to the atheist Secular Web.

You can read all the other stuff on that site. You only have to join if you want
to read the ~Elsewhere~ forum.

If you want the link, pm me, I guess.
Not sure if rules allow me to post it.

:sorry:

[IamRedeemed]

:thumbsup: Yes, it does seem to be pointing that way.......


It would make a lot of sense

[IamRedeemed]

Oh I see..... I wonder how the members here ended up getting so involved over there? I never heard of it and now all of a sudden since Erwin sold this site, I am hear about that site on daily basis in these threads, and none of which has been good. Sounds pretty malignant.

Yeah, I am not sure you can post a link to another forum, but it is just as well. If we want malignant convo, there is plenty of that on this site. :eek: (did I say that?) :sorry:


Not that I ever knew of. You see, it always belonged to the atheist Secular Web.

You can read all the other stuff on that site. You only have to join if you want
to read the ~Elsewhere~ forum.

If you want the link, pm me, I guess.
Not sure if rules allow me to post it.

:sorry:

[JimfromOhio]

If people who "CLAIM" the Lord spent more time in the BIBLE and prayer, they'de spend less time gossipping and pointing fingers at others.

It's EASY to gossip & attack - but toxic people like that live for it. What is in the heart comes out of the mouth as Jesus said.
"For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks".

I stay far clear of toxic people and this site has plenty of them and their words simply manifest who they really are inwardly.
That is their fruit (and alot of it doesn't line up with what God tells us is the fruit of HIS Spirit).

If you spend most of your time trying to pick apart others with critique & insult, rest assured you have more beams in your own eyes that need fixing first.

God will judge every idle word spoken against others in malice. For some, that won't be a pretty day for them at all.

Yep. Our Christian testimonies (action, words and motives) are important to God because our actions glorifies God.

[Latreia]

Oh I see..... I wonder how the members here ended up getting so involved over there? I never heard of it and now all of a sudden since Erwin sold this site, I am hear about that site on daily basis in these threads, and none of which has been good. Sounds pretty malignant.

Yeah, I am not sure you can post a link to another forum, but it is just as well. If we want malignant convo, there is plenty of that on this site. :eek: (did I say that?) :sorry:

My dear, Erwin was the one who made a rule that IIDB could not be mentioned on CF for a long, long time and denied that that site had anything to do or any influence on CF. Any CF member who tried to warn about what was really going on over there was mobbed both by their members here and their members on CF staff here.

This cynicism and deceit were all the more malignant because, at the very same time, those on CF staff who were conservative Christians were being hounded out of their positions on a daily basis on the now defunct Discuss Rules and Staff Procedures forum.

At that time, a LOT of stuff simply disappeared and those on CF staff with the liberal IIDB agendas were like wolves trying to get many Christians who stood against them banned.

That is not just my opinion. I was banned, twice and the last time I left here, another ban was hanging over my head.

The way the my appeals went told the story plainly. And I declared that I would never again submit myself to any other judge but God, to no other authority but Jesus Christ.


:sigh:

[NewGuy101]

My dear, Erwin was the one who made a rule that IIDB could not be mentioned on CF for a long, long time and denied that that site had anything to do or any influence on CF. Any CF member who tried to warn about what was really going on over there was mobbed both by their members here and their members on CF staff here.

This cynicism and deceit were all the more malignant because, at the very same time, those on CF staff who were conservative Christians were being hounded out of their positions on a daily basis on the now defunct Discuss Rules and Staff Procedures forum.

At that time, a LOT of stuff simply disappeared and those on CF staff with the liberal IIDB agendas were like wolves trying to get many Christians who stood against them banned.

That is not just my opinion. I was banned, twice and the last time I left here, another ban was hanging over my head.

The way the my appeals went told the story plainly. And I declared that I would never again submit myself to any other judge but God, to no other authority but Jesus Christ.


:sigh:

:eek:

[Tangeloper]

If you sign into the thread, you are protected from flames, per the rules.

Sure, there's a lot of complaining that goes on there, but there is also a tremendous amount of fellowship. I've seen people's pictures of their babies. I've prayed and cried with them when life has been tough on them. I've even been involved in a few fights. I've also seen people who hated each other make up and become friends again. It's a mixed bag.
So, if someone doesn't sign into the thread then disrespect is tolerated by others and encouraged? Doesn't sound very friendly to me... I find it odd that people would think it's OK to gossip behind others backs, but then wouldn't do the same thing to their faces (i.e. if they are on the thread). Don't you see the problem with that? Or, is it just me?

[Nadiine]

So, if someone doesn't sign into the thread then disrespect is tolerated by others and encouraged? Doesn't sound very friendly to me... I find it odd that people would think it's OK to gossip behind others backs, but then wouldn't do the same thing to their faces (i.e. if they are on the thread). Don't you see the problem with that? Or, is it just me?
just a note since you weren't here, belinda signed out of CC, so she probly cant' reply to your post (if she even sees it).
But gossip was a problem that started alot of the harsher controversies and deeper divides (which can be seen if you go back about 4-6 pages ago over Time2BCounted)... the irritation was the people who were condoning the gossip as if it was 'warrented'.
And even the members who supported and turned a blind eye to the people doing it.. thus, the divides.

I'm inclined to believe that some conservatives here lean heavily towards liberalism or at least the embracing of those who are liberal specifically.
That has basically been a 'welcome mat' to bring them over here to fellowship or join CC (ie. those of that bent)
(at that time, Time2Bcounted (currently under FSB - on appeal) was trying to establish a new standard Christian Definition for 4U, and was openly objecting to a new BM (beth M. something) invisible forum for recovery of former satanists or whatever all the details) - & that brought them over here to fight all that... all of a sudden, the interest in CC was peaked and some were posting more, a few signed out of WWMC and joined here instead.... I don't remember if Frick (father rick) came from WWMC roster?...
and another.

But anyways the more they posted, lurked, commented or joined, the more upset some conservatives were getting and concerned that this intermingling would jeopardize the meaning of "conservative" in why we signed here.
So while some were encouraging them in, others were protesting it. Errgo - CC today.
It seems to me :scratch: :confused: that there's a split going on (or started) and it's based on who leans towards liberalism and doesn't seem to think there's any problem with it and those (such as myself) that find it biblical to divide with them due to their beliefs and message and don't appreciate that being welcomed and encouraged in here.
Some or many have joined CC to fellowship & discuss in a neutral and embracing environment - with those of like mind. If we wanted to socialize and unite with liberals, we could all head over to the WWMC forum and chat with them there.

So, that's about my analysis of this after time has gone by.
Which gives me an idea :idea: *will think about it further*

[Tangeloper]

just a note since you weren't here, belinda signed out of CC, so she probly cant' reply to your post (if she even sees it).
But gossip was a problem that started alot of the harsher controversies and deeper divides (which can be seen if you go back about 4-6 pages ago over Time2BCounted)... the irritation was the people who were condoning the gossip as if it was 'warrented'.
And even the members who supported and turned a blind eye to the people doing it.. thus, the divides.

I'm inclined to believe that some conservatives here lean heavily towards liberalism or at least the embracing of those who are liberal specifically.
That has basically been a 'welcome mat' to bring them over here to fellowship or join CC (ie. those of that bent)
(at that time, Time2Bcounted (currently under FSB - on appeal) was trying to establish a new standard Christian Definition for 4U, and was openly objecting to a new BM (beth M. something) invisible forum for recovery of former satanists or whatever all the details) - & that brought them over here to fight all that... all of a sudden, the interest in CC was peaked and some were posting more, a few signed out of WWMC and joined here instead.... I don't remember if Frick (father rick) came from WWMC roster?...
and another.

But anyways the more they posted, lurked, commented or joined, the more upset some conservatives were getting and concerned that this intermingling would jeopardize the meaning of "conservative" in why we signed here.
So while some were encouraging them in, others were protesting it. Errgo - CC today.
It seems to me :scratch: :confused: that there's a split going on (or started) and it's based on who leans towards liberalism and doesn't seem to think there's any problem with it and those (such as myself) that find it biblical to divide with them due to their beliefs and message and don't appreciate that being welcomed and encouraged in here.
Some or many have joined CC to fellowship & discuss in a neutral and embracing environment - with those of like mind. If we wanted to socialize and unite with liberals, we could all head over to the WWMC forum and chat with them there.

So, that's about my analysis of this after time has gone by.
Which gives me an idea :idea: *will think about it further*
Thanks Nadiine. I appreciate the summary. I had heard that Time was FSB'd, and I was aware of the controversy surrounding Beth Miqlat(sp?), and Time's efforts to introduce a definition of Christianity. While I personally have no problem discussing and fellowshipping with liberals elsewhere on the site CCC NOT the proper place to do this, IMHO.

As you said, those who wish to fraternize with them could always go to the WWMC (hence the name of their forum -- Whosoever Will May Come & not "Liberal Christians").

It doesn't surprise me at all that people would be upset when more and more liberals come into here to "fellowship" and then end up debating and being rude in "our home". That's the problem as I see it. But, I'm going on what I saw a few weeks ago and not more recently...

I'll read some more of what's gone on in the threads over the last couple weeks, and especially the last few days. I'm also looking forward to discussing this issue further. It saddens me that there is so much strife here as I used to love this sub-forum...

OK, enough for now -- I didn't get enough sleep last night so this probably isn't the best time for me to tackle this! LOL

[Simon_Templar]

just a note since you weren't here, belinda signed out of CC, so she probly cant' reply to your post (if she even sees it).
But gossip was a problem that started alot of the harsher controversies and deeper divides (which can be seen if you go back about 4-6 pages ago over Time2BCounted)... the irritation was the people who were condoning the gossip as if it was 'warrented'.
And even the members who supported and turned a blind eye to the people doing it.. thus, the divides.

I'm inclined to believe that some conservatives here lean heavily towards liberalism or at least the embracing of those who are liberal specifically.
That has basically been a 'welcome mat' to bring them over here to fellowship or join CC (ie. those of that bent)
(at that time, Time2Bcounted (currently under FSB - on appeal) was trying to establish a new standard Christian Definition for 4U, and was openly objecting to a new BM (beth M. something) invisible forum for recovery of former satanists or whatever all the details) - & that brought them over here to fight all that... all of a sudden, the interest in CC was peaked and some were posting more, a few signed out of WWMC and joined here instead.... I don't remember if Frick (father rick) came from WWMC roster?...
and another.

But anyways the more they posted, lurked, commented or joined, the more upset some conservatives were getting and concerned that this intermingling would jeopardize the meaning of "conservative" in why we signed here.
So while some were encouraging them in, others were protesting it. Errgo - CC today.
It seems to me :scratch: :confused: that there's a split going on (or started) and it's based on who leans towards liberalism and doesn't seem to think there's any problem with it and those (such as myself) that find it biblical to divide with them due to their beliefs and message and don't appreciate that being welcomed and encouraged in here.
Some or many have joined CC to fellowship & discuss in a neutral and embracing environment - with those of like mind. If we wanted to socialize and unite with liberals, we could all head over to the WWMC forum and chat with them there.

So, that's about my analysis of this after time has gone by.
Which gives me an idea :idea: *will think about it further*
I find it somewhat... ironic that you vilify people for gossiping and then post stuff like this, which is pretty much gossip. You get very upset about being unfairly accused, but yet, what you have here are alot of accusations based on your personal feelings and impressions and not much evidence, and little to no personal knowledge of the people you are talking about (such as Fr. Rick).

You working off of your feelings and your impressions, refusing to admit that you might have leapt to conclusions, or misunderstood things, is no better than when other people do it, but you have no problem getting upset when other people do it.

For example. In the thread you started about having a fluff fellowship thread. In my opinion GreenMunchkin over reacted and leapt to conclusions about your intent that we unjustified. I suspect this is the result of the fact that she has been under a lot of attacks and a lot of stress due to the late unpleasentness.
I didn't see anything you said in that thread which really justified her reaction, but I can understand why she may have reacted that way.
I think I understand mostly why you have reacted the way you have in recent days/weeks, but also in my opinion, much of it has been unjustified.

It is rather irritating, however, when you get so indignant regarding the mistakes of others, when you are doing virtually the same thing.

[GreenMunchkin]

You'll notice one of her posts was edited out. Lisa quoted it, thankfully. That's the pattern. Passive aggressive accusations and gossip and sewing seeds of doubt then furious back-peddling or flat-out denial and editing when called on it.

Being the subject of it *once again*... I snapped.

[Angel4Truth]

Thanks Nadiine. I appreciate the summary. I had heard that Time was FSB'd, and I was aware of the controversy surrounding Beth Miqlat(sp?), and Time's efforts to introduce a definition of Christianity. While I personally have no problem discussing and fellowshipping with liberals elsewhere on the site CCC NOT the proper place to do this, IMHO.

As you said, those who wish to fraternize with them could always go to the WWMC (hence the name of their forum -- Whosoever Will May Come & not "Liberal Christians").

It doesn't surprise me at all that people would be upset when more and more liberals come into here to "fellowship" and then end up debating and being rude in "our home". That's the problem as I see it. But, I'm going on what I saw a few weeks ago and not more recently...

I'll read some more of what's gone on in the threads over the last couple weeks, and especially the last few days. I'm also looking forward to discussing this issue further. It saddens me that there is so much strife here as I used to love this sub-forum...

OK, enough for now -- I didn't get enough sleep last night so this probably isn't the best time for me to tackle this! LOL
My sentiments exactly

[Simon_Templar]

Thanks Nadiine. I appreciate the summary. I had heard that Time was FSB'd, and I was aware of the controversy surrounding Beth Miqlat(sp?), and Time's efforts to introduce a definition of Christianity. While I personally have no problem discussing and fellowshipping with liberals elsewhere on the site CCC NOT the proper place to do this, IMHO.

As you said, those who wish to fraternize with them could always go to the WWMC (hence the name of their forum -- Whosoever Will May Come & not "Liberal Christians").

It doesn't surprise me at all that people would be upset when more and more liberals come into here to "fellowship" and then end up debating and being rude in "our home". That's the problem as I see it. But, I'm going on what I saw a few weeks ago and not more recently...

I'll read some more of what's gone on in the threads over the last couple weeks, and especially the last few days. I'm also looking forward to discussing this issue further. It saddens me that there is so much strife here as I used to love this sub-forum...

OK, enough for now -- I didn't get enough sleep last night so this probably isn't the best time for me to tackle this! LOL

There were some liberals posting in here a few weeks ago and getting to the point of debating in some of the threads, offering 'comments' etc. I never reported any that I saw simply because I'd usually rather answer them directly (as long as it doesn't get beyond a certain level). I don't know if others reported it or not, but I didn't see much mod involvement one way or the other. Of course I may just have been oblivious.

However, the recent troubles here began to build up when Time started turning the forum into a soap box for his causes. Some of us didn't mind, but others began to get sick of it.
Thats when the first rumblings of trouble began as some of the members who were more sick of it began to either resign, or talk about resigning.

Honestly, I can understand why people would get sick of it, however, I also am of the opinion that if someone's posts annoy you its easy enough to simply not read them. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read every post.
Ultimately as long as stuff is within the rules, we can't start straight jacketing people just because they annoy us.

There was some back and forth at that point between the two camps (those who wanted more fellowship oriented forum and those who wanted more activist oriented forum).

The wheels really fell off when Time opened a thread inviting Fr. Rick here to answer questions about the revamped occult recovery forum.
It started out ok, but in short order degenerated into a shouting match in which nearly everyone involved was being completely unreasonable and accusatory.

Time felt that Fr. Rick was avoiding his questions and covering something up. Fr. Rick felt that he had been asked here under false pretenses and deliberately attacked.
As this began to unfold people who are involved in some way with the recovery forum began to come in and participate in the ongoing argument.

Fr. Rick joined the forum here with the specific stated purpose of enabling himself to debate so that he could answer what he felt were false accusations regarding the recovery forum.
It was believed by some that basically anyone who spoke in favor of the recovery forum was a liberal.
Two more of the people who had come here primarily for the discussion regarding the recovery forum decided to join the forum. All of those joining stated that they agreed to our doctrinal statements, yet they were accused of being liberal infiltrators. The first assumption here was made because they defended Beth Miqlat, but the fact that some of them posted in the WWMC forum was also used as a basis for suggesting that they were liberal infiltrators come to take over the CC forum.

Early on in this Time2B was given a forum specific ban and it came to light that he was actually by passing a ban already. He posted by proxy that it was true that he was bypassing a ban but defended himself because he felt that the original ban was unjustified.

Things began to settle a little, but several people including long time members of CC were still basically being accused of being closet liberals because they didn't like the way some of the conservatives had behaved.
At one point Fr. Rick posted a message from Time's wife because apparently there was a misunderstanding in which some got the impression from Time that his wife was dead. His wife saw this and requested that Fr. Rick make a post informing people that she was alive.

Fr. Rick did so, but he apparently assumed that Time had deliberately lied about his wife being dead in order to garner sympathy, and his post pretty much accused Time of being a liar. It is not immediately obvious that Time did actually intend to lie about his wife and it may have just been a misunderstanding. At this point, who knows.

this post riled things up again and brought out more accusations of conspiracy and infiltration among other things.

Of the people who tried to join here before being chased off...

I don't know much about BelindaP. Never really met her before. I don't go to IIDB nor to WWMC so I don't know anything about her involvement there. However, from the little I saw of her here.. I had no reason to suspect her of malicious intent. I kept asking people to show me the evidence they had from WWMC, or IIDB that so incensed them, but no one ever produced anything except more accusations.
The one thread that was linked from WWMC was not particularly malicious, nor conspiratorial, and I actually thought it was pretty funny.

Freitag, I also don't know well but I've seen her around over the last few years that I've been here. Again, I've never seen anything significantly liberal or malicious from her.. pretty much the same as above.

Fr. Rick and I both posted frequently in the Spirit Filled Charismatic Pentecostal Forum over the last 3 years. He is well known there and in the STR forum which was my home before coming here. The only issue I have ever disagreed with Fr. Rick on was women's ordination. Other than that I've never seen him take a liberal position on anything, and he is absolutely theologically conservative.
There may be a conspiracy to take over CF by liberals and atheists. I don't know enough to say anything one way or the other about that. But I can tell you that the accusations leveled against Fr. Rick were without basis and were unjust. His post relaying information from Time's wife may have been personally colored, and not the best action. But also consider that at that point he had already been virulently attacked without reason for about a week. His integrity, his motivations, and his faith maligned simply because he disagreed with Time.

So, I think there are way too many glass houses around here for people to continue slinging rocks.

[Simon_Templar]

You'll notice one of her posts was edited out. Lisa quoted it, thankfully. That's the pattern. Passive aggressive accusations and gossip and sewing seeds of doubt then furious back-peddling or flat-out denial and editing when called on it.

Being the subject of it *once again*... I snapped.
ah, I didn't see the edit there. Interesting.

[Lisa0315]

Geesh! And I thought we had problems! Go look at the ET Reports right now.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

I find it somewhat... ironic that you vilify people for gossiping and then post stuff like this, which is pretty much gossip. You get very upset about being unfairly accused, but yet, what you have here are alot of accusations based on your personal feelings and impressions and not much evidence, and little to no personal knowledge of the people you are talking about (such as Fr. Rick).

You working off of your feelings and your impressions, refusing to admit that you might have leapt to conclusions, or misunderstood things, is no better than when other people do it, but you have no problem getting upset when other people do it.

For example. In the thread you started about having a fluff fellowship thread. In my opinion GreenMunchkin over reacted and leapt to conclusions about your intent that we unjustified. I suspect this is the result of the fact that she has been under a lot of attacks and a lot of stress due to the late unpleasentness.
I didn't see anything you said in that thread which really justified her reaction, but I can understand why she may have reacted that way.
I think I understand mostly why you have reacted the way you have in recent days/weeks, but also in my opinion, much of it has been unjustified.

It is rather irritating, however, when you get so indignant regarding the mistakes of others, when you are doing virtually the same thing.
I did not gossip, if you follow the posts they all mesh together... (and that was actually carried over from 2 separate other threads earlier this am.).
And it certainly doesn't warrent someone elses "snapping" to the point of making false accusations that had no foundation & spiteful attacks.

I was simply seeing if another thread might help in an honest attempt to try to find solutions here, and then Tangeloper said GM had already tried a WWMC thread in CC before.
I did not know that. I then Asked lisa for more information and I asked tangeloper HOW it didn't work (ie. why) - becuz it would help me understand why it didn't work before and if it mite relate to issues today (comparing them).

What followed was very simple and very innocent - Criada gave the links to them: the wrong WWMC mending link - then said it was the wrong one & she'd get the other, then she sent the right one... well, it was the SAME TIMEFRAME... it didn't help me any.

and here is the copy that I removed

Originally Posted by Nadiine http://www3.foru.ms/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=40147936#post40147936)
K... I didn't know she was trying to bridge the gaps at all in here.... was this while T2BC was doing his Christian Definition project or going against the BM issue when all heck broke loose w/ them here or before that?

It would make sense of a few things for me tho. :idea:
Anyways I must not have been here yet - if so, I obviously wasn't involved either.


Notice? I was saying I didn't even recall when a thread like that was even here? "I must not have been here yet"

If it were PRIOR to Time's blowouts with then this was attempted before all that, it would prove that I wasn't the one involved in, or why it wasn't working out here w/ WWMC too - & someone else was attempting to bridge a gap with them.
My main interest was finding out that it didn't work. I wanted to know WHY it didn't work.

It would also mean that this is probly not even a LIBERAL issue as the main source of a problem here.

Right when I read the DATE on criada's 2nd [correct] post of the actual link to THIS forum's thread created by GM, it verified that it was the same date area that I already knew about - that was when Time2B was dealing w/ all his stuff.
I was already told why GM created that thread due to the WARS that went on at that time - I didn't need that one becuz it was an entirely separate reason that wouldn't help me get to the reason.

THAT IS WHY I REMOVED [edited] MY POST TO LISA, becuz Criada's post established the date that I already knew her post was about during Time's conflict that they were trying to patch up.
It got edited NOT TO HIDE IT, BUT BECUZ IT WAS NO LONGER RELEVANT AND DIDN'T FIT THE SITUATION ANYMORE. There was no need for it be there.

I had asked if her "mending post" was PRIOR to Time's dealings w/ WWMC people for a reason.

There is NO garbage going on, it was completely innocent.... someone spun it out of what it was or meant (which isn't the first time either that someone's jumped to conclusions that weren't even true). So no, the accusation is false against me as if it were gossip & malice.

She also claimed I was demanding her position be removed... I'm still waiting for that to be proven in one of my posts. speaking of false accusations. & she can't find it becuz it doesn't exist.
So I think she should remove/delete the allegation if she can't prove it.

Very simple, very innocent. NOT sinister as some would like to leap to judgments of a negative nature.
Nothing justifies the statements (most false) that were made here and the ugliness of it.

I was earnestly trying to find ways to work on the problems here - trying to pinpoint them to try to solve what it mite be.
It's taken a toll on everybody, but this was beyond the pale and it's not ok - I've gotten alot harsher reprimand for saying much less than what was ranted today.

Whatever though, thankfully there's a real world out there that doesn't revolve around what's turned into a reality drama for lurkers who need some entertainment.

[Nadiine]

ah, I didn't see the edit there. Interesting.
my post explains this "conspiracy" theory you guys think you found... the surrounding post context is clear.

And I didn't know you 2 had become my judge and jury either.
that's interesting too

[Nadiine]

You'll notice one of her posts was edited out. Lisa quoted it, thankfully. That's the pattern. Passive aggressive accusations and gossip and sewing seeds of doubt then furious back-peddling or flat-out denial and editing when called on it.

Being the subject of it *once again*... I snapped.
NOBODY CALLED ME ON THAT POST GM. I edited it right when I saw Criada's post links that led to the same time period when you guys said Time's controversy was going on.
You said that at that time you were trying to bridge a gap that started in a war btwn. sections.

THAT IS WHY I REMOVED THE POST, IT NO LONGER WAS RELEVANT TO THE ISSUE.

This isn't the first time you've jumped to a false assumption of what I meant or thought. You did it 2 times today.

[Angel4Truth]

:(

[GreenMunchkin]

and then Tangeloper said GM had already tried a WWMC thread in CC before.
I did not know that.Can't be bothered to read the rest of it. Lisa, please confirm Nadiine already cited those threads when she was attacking Mac, Jim and I, and you called her on that one, too, because it was obvious when the threads were started, and yet even you initially thought they were recent.

Please confirm she already knew about those threads. I'll find the actual post if needs be, but it's in one of a thousand rants and I don;t even know where to start looking.

[Angel4Truth]

This is so wrong here

[Nadiine]

Can't be bothered to read the rest of it. Lisa, please confirm Nadiine already cited those threads when she was attacking Mac, Jim and I, and you called her on that one, too, because it was obvious when the threads were started, and yet even you initially thought they were recent.

Please confirm she already knew about those threads. I'll find the actual post if needs be, but it's in one of a thousand rants and I don;t even know where to start looking.
I have no CLUE what you are even talking about.

NO< I THOUGHT THE THREADS WERE MUCH LONGER AGO..... LONGER AGO - LONG BEFORE TIME'S issues w/ WWMC.
You have this all backwards GM

[Simon_Templar]

my post explains this "conspiracy" theory you guys think you found... the surrounding post context is clear.

And I didn't know you 2 had become my judge and jury either.
that's interesting too
just like you are judge and jury on all the people you've been talking about??

your explanation of the editing is a little weak, and flies in the face of your protestations that you didn't say anything against GM, when you fairly clearly did imply that she was one of the closet liberals you are talking about.

Now, I am perfectly willing to accept that your comments there, which can VERY EASILY be made to look incriminating, were misunderstood and that you edited it out as you say, in good faith.
But I must point out that you are apparently not willing to extend that same courtesy to others here. You have no trouble rolling your eyes at "our conspiracy theory", but yet you are doing exactly the same thing to other people here.

Maybe we should all stop the inquisition attitude and the accusations, and take people at their word? Maybe we should allow that people can make mistakes when emotions run high? and maybe we should give people the benefit of the doubt?

Or maybe I'm just crazy.

[Lisa0315]

I can't get in the middle of this you guys. I want to be a peacemaker again.

Honestly, Greenie. I don't remember what happened. I told y'all, I block out confrontations. I remember that they happened, but I forget details. It is just the way I am wired for some strange reason.

...and Greenie, you have to take the high road on this one.

...and Nadine, if you were ever on staff, you would be more forgiving about things.

Why don't y'all take the night off at least from each other, okay?

Lisa

[Nadiine]

This is so wrong here
Your right angel, it IS so wrong here!
:swoon:

It's becoming obvious that 2 people are talking about 2 completely different issues and meanings!

And when you look at the original thread at the tale end, you'll even see that I'm in complete confusion at what Lisa says about GM...
UBER conservative? who knew... I didn't.
I didn't know any of that stuff - lisa told me there that me & GM are actually fighting for the SAME THING, but don't even know it....

that should tell you something REAL odd is going on here. Even she sees there's a huge misunderstanding someplace.

The whole thing smells funny - and I think I know what the source is too.
They aren't even on the same page I'm on & vice versa.

Ya know, life is just too precious to waste in this crap

[GreenMunchkin]

This isn't the first time you've jumped to a false assumption of what I meant or thought. You did it 2 times today.

Right. This is the thread she's referring to. This is from the venting thread. All in order.

Am furious, and am disgusted. UGH.

Can you say why? Either way...:hug:

Lisa

Probably not :( Cos, ya know, the rooooolz :(

Suffice it to say, am beginning to realise some people *want* to make this a miserable experience for others, and am disgusted at the mentality :(

Thank you for the hug :hug:

It will take care of itself in God's time. Just keep on keeping on and don't let it get you down.

You are a true servant to this forum and you are precious to us.

Lisa

well GM, maybe they just don't agree with your mentality... I think that's a rude comment to make (AND DIVISIVE) becuz you disagree w/ someone seeking ways or answers to fix this.

This is PART of the problem here and how it's fueled; and we're ALL included in it on every side.

Did I mention you? Did I mention ANYONE? Did I?

You didn't need to

What?? Am not responsible for your assumptions. Period.

I'm not going to sit & do a back & forth squabble w/ you.

The statement is what it is. Maybe there just ARENT any solutions to 2 groups so divided or hostile with each other's "mentalities"? But they are trying to find them.

Bored now.

calm down you two...no cat fights

Dude, I never even mentioned her! If someone makes a statement and someone else wades in and chooses to make it about them, there's absolutely nothing I can do.

There's a difference between feeling convicted and feeling condemned.

I didn't THINK you were referring to me either... (not that I may not fit the statement...) but not once did I think you meant ME -- I was in the same thread with you and the concept you were reading...
and I know who started the idea...

Once again you assumed I meant something that I did not.
I actually wasn't even drawing on WHO or what it was about, but that it was divisive IN NATURE - and derrogatory personally - insulting to anyone reading it who does't know who you're targeting.

Nadiine, am gonna say this once. Back off and give me some space.

You have no clue what I'm talking about, so by proxy, you have no idea what *you* are talking about. Fight with someone else. I've not fought with anyone in here and I don't plan to start now.

Feel free to have the last word.


Now, more spin and misrepresentation.

Who lept on who. Who back-peddled? This is a pattern, and am tired of it.

[Angel4Truth]

I see 3 people jumping one personally - while the person they are jumping hasnt personally attacked - i see you guys using words like "imply" well i guess you all can judge hearts now. :(

[Lisa0315]

That is right! We are all on the same side. The divider is Satan. Scripture says that God is not the author of confusion and if He isn't, then, you know who is.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Angel, Who is the third person? I am not jumping on anyone.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

I see 3 people jumping one personally - while the person they are jumping hasnt personally attacked - i see you guys using words like "imply" well i guess you all can judge hearts now. :(No, sweetie. Lisa is impartial; ST is about as objective as it gets, and I'm FURIOUS after being on the receiving end of this for weeks now. It won't go on past tonight. :hug:

...and Greenie, you have to take the high road on this one.

LisaWill do. I've not said anything for weeks, and now I have, so now am happy to lay it to rest.

[Nadiine]

I can't get in the middle of this you guys. I want to be a peacemaker again.

Honestly, Greenie. I don't remember what happened. I told y'all, I block out confrontations. I remember that they happened, but I forget details. It is just the way I am wired for some strange reason.

...and Greenie, you have to take the high road on this one.

...and Nadine, if you were ever on staff, you would be more forgiving about things.

Why don't y'all take the night off at least from each other, okay?

Lisa
I was done with this Lisa..... the whole thing smells funny. She's not even grasping what I'm referring to or talking about.
She's got it backwards.

believe me Lisa, I dont want to be on staff - I was asked recently and declined. I think I'd rather have root canal surgery without any pain killer. :help:

But I had a report on me when belinda left the other day, & I kindly ran over to my post while they were 'judging' on it, and just deleted the entire thing to save them the work. and ran back in & told them I deleted it, just save yourself the work and close this up.
done.
But you don't hear about stuff like that - I also don't make alot of reports to save them work.
I know their workload is heavy... but it still doesn't warrent what was said and how it was said. She is a member as well. And I just mite be going thru some hard times in my real life as well... if anyone would care to ask my issues and what I"M going thru.
As if she's the only one with poop going on?

I know I've done nothing malicious to her and my conscience is clear of that, and all my previous posts towards her are evidence of it.

The good thing is at least I know now :idea:

Sorry you're in the middle Lisa... I'm done with this whole stupid thing quite honestly and hopefully that will pull you out of it.
I appreciate that you were kind and tried to help.

I think some sleep would be helpful, I'll take your advice
:wave: :hug:

[Lisa0315]

I was done with this Lisa..... the whole thing smells funny. She's not even grasping what I'm referring to or talking about.
She's got it backwards.

believe me Lisa, I dont want to be on staff - I was asked recently and declined. I think I'd rather have root canal surgery without any pain killer. :help:

But I had a report on me when belinda left the other day, & I kindly ran over to my post while they were 'judging' on it, and just deleted the entire thing to save them the work. and ran back in & told them I deleted it, just save yourself the work and close this up.
done.
But you don't hear about stuff like that - I also don't make alot of reports to save them work.
I know their workload is heavy... but it still doesn't warrent what was said and how it was said. She is a member as well. And I just mite be going thru some hard times in my real life as well... if anyone would care to ask my issues and what I"M going thru.
As if she's the only one with poop going on?

I know I've done nothing malicious to her and my conscience is clear of that, and all my previous posts towards her are evidence of it.

The good thing is at least I know now :idea:

Sorry you're in the middle Lisa... I'm done with this whole stupid thing quite honestly and hopefully that will pull you out of it.
I appreciate that you were kind and tried to help.

I think some sleep would be helpful, I'll take your advice
:wave: :hug:

Me too. I am exhausted. Long week. TGIF!!! :wave:

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

G'night Greenie. Take a break from this stupid place. You work too hard. :hug:

Lisa

[Nadiine]

No, sweetie. Lisa is impartial; ST is about as objective as it gets, and I'm FURIOUS after being on the receiving end of this for weeks now. It won't go on past tonight. :hug:

Sadly, GM, you imagined yourself on the recieving end of an IMAGINARY issue that didn't even exist or happen! :doh: :eek:

I do not even KNOW what you are referring to here.... weeks??
the assumptions have run wild - and who knows where they came from.

[GreenMunchkin]

G'night Greenie. Take a break from this stupid place. You work too hard. :hug:

LisaCan't at the moment. Got so much to do :( But once it's all settled, will go on a scrummy LoA :D

G'night, sugar :hug:

[Nadiine]

Me too. I am exhausted. Long week. TGIF!!! :wave:

Lisa
:amen: I agree, I agree. :swoon:

[Simon_Templar]

I see 3 people jumping one personally - while the person they are jumping hasnt personally attacked - i see you guys using words like "imply" well i guess you all can judge hearts now. :(
my entire point here has been to try and get through the fact that BOTH sides have been doing this.

The main difference is that one side occasionally sees their own faults and apologises, the other apparently is infallible in addition to being able to see the motives of peoples hearts.

[Nadiine]

I see 3 people jumping one personally - while the person they are jumping hasnt personally attacked - i see you guys using words like "imply" well i guess you all can judge hearts now. :(
Hi angel,
semi right, ... it was 2. Lisa was kind enough to be impartial thru it which is appreciated.

But ya, something really strange is going on -- & i don't even know what it supposedly is and I'm pretty much to the point where I don't even care if I know.

[Lisa0315]

my entire point here has been to try and get through the fact that BOTH sides have been doing this.

The main difference is that one side occasionally sees their own faults and apologises, the other apparently is infallible in addition to being able to see the motives of peoples hearts.

You are not helping things here Simon. The pot is bubbling already. Don't turn up the heat. Please.

Seriously, going to bed now. G'night! :wave:

Lisa

[Nadiine]

my entire point here has been to try and get through the fact that BOTH sides have been doing this.

The main difference is that one side occasionally sees their own faults and apologises, the other apparently is infallible in addition to being able to see the motives of peoples hearts.
Simon ya know what would have kept this whole stupid thing from happening i think?

GM had an offense against me. But she never came to ME to let me know what it was... what she thought I was doing.
I'm just NOW finding out (thru a total blowout) that she's thought I was doing something against HER for weeks now.
What that is, only she knows & who she talked to about me behind my back.

If she thought I was maliciously doing something against her, why didn't she confront ME & tell me she heard "such & such" or thinks "such & such" to clear up an issue she felt?

That could of been stopped wks ago & cleared up! So for wks now she's thought I was out to get her! (my posts are all kind to her tho.....:scratch: ).
I was off in my own little world trying to fix things & she's thinking I'm plotting some scheme on her.

what the heck is going on? Lisa even mentioned there's some mix up somewhere in the end of that thread.
It's wierdness on a large scale.

[Nadiine]

my entire point here has been to try and get through the fact that BOTH sides have been doing this.

The main difference is that one side occasionally sees their own faults and apologises, the other apparently is infallible in addition to being able to see the motives of peoples hearts.
simon, I'd figure you were above this kinda crap

[GreenMunchkin]

What that is, only she knows & who she talked to about me behind my back.Exactly what I'm talking about.

Unbelievable. Yeah, am done with this.

Nadiine, I wish you a good night, and God bless. x

[Nadiine]

Exactly what I'm talking about.

Unbelievable. Yeah, am done with this.

Nadiine, I wish you a good night, and God bless. x
Yes it is unbelievable - we can agree on something... you may want to try PMing me with what you think is going on here and talk to ME personally if you have any offense so I can at least know what the heck you're talking about!
Hard to fix something if you have no idea anything's broken.
Try that sometime please, becuz I don't own a crystal ball.

[Angel4Truth]

Nadine if you arent a member of iidb - I would join if you wish to know whats stated that you dont understand. Its a real shame that people listen to gossip over there and you have a right to defend yourself.

[D'Ann]

All I know is this... don't know what is going on here... or has gone on here or over at that other place that shall not be named...

GM and Nadine... talk to each other via pms or on some kind of IM. Don't let the enemy cause more division among us. You both are wonderful and loved and cherished... we can't let the evil one cause more strife and division between us all. HUGS :hug:

[Nadiine]

All I know is this... don't know what is going on here... or has gone on here or over at that other place that shall not be named...

GM and Nadine... talk to each other via pms or on some kind of IM. Don't let the enemy cause more division among us. You both are wonderful and loved and cherished... we can't let the evil one cause more strife and division between us all. HUGS :hug:
I totally agree, but I won't go into PM's for fear of being reported for harrassement.

this should of come to me in PM's weeks ago obviously.
Good gosh.

I feel like I'm on a B rated soap opera - sadly, it's God that gets dragged thru the mud.

How does He put up with us??
Only love like that is from God. Thank you Lord for your
mercy and kindness and grace
:bow: :bow: :bow:

[Nadiine]

Nadine if you arent a member of iidb - I would join if you wish to know whats stated that you dont understand. Its a real shame that people listen to gossip over there and you have a right to defend yourself.
this is coming from over there??????????????
:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

omugawwwwsh.
Wouldn't THAT just figure?? I'm telling you this smells
dark and God is not the author of confusion.
THIS is pure confusion.

ps. no I'm not a member & what little I heard of the place 2 wks ago, it's noplace I want to go to either.

[Lisa0315]

this is coming from over there??????????????
:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

omugawwwwsh.
Wouldn't THAT just figure?? I'm telling you this smells
dark and God is not the author of confusion.
THIS is pure confusion.

ps. no I'm not a member & what little I heard of the place 2 wks ago, it's noplace I want to go to either.

No, no, no. This thing between you and Greenie is NOT coming from Elsewhere. Greenie wouldn't step foot in the place. I don't know what Angel is talking about but Greenie is not part of Elsewhere. I could prove that to you via PM but it would have to be strictly confidential.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

No, no, no. This thing between you and Greenie is NOT coming from Elsewhere. Greenie wouldn't step foot in the place. I don't know what Angel is talking about but Greenie is not part of Elsewhere. I could prove that to you via PM but it would have to be strictly confidential.

Lisa
K thanks, I'm not going to work on this anymore Lisa. It's just become obvious to me that.... nevermind.

thanks anyways :wave:

[Lisa0315]

K thanks, I'm not going to work on this anymore Lisa. It's just become obvious to me that.... nevermind.

thanks anyways :wave:

Well, taking time off from it is a good idea, but don't ever give up on one of your brothers and sisters. We all have bad days, weeks, months even. Give her a chance, forgive her, and I promise you that you will find that she has a heart of gold. A very Godly woman and one of my heros here.

Lisa

[Nadiine]

Well, taking time off from it is a good idea, but don't ever give up on one of your brothers and sisters. We all have bad days, weeks, months even. Give her a chance, forgive her, and I promise you that you will find that she has a heart of gold. A very Godly woman and one of my heros here.

Lisa
lisa... i wasn't the one that had the issue with her in the first place -- it was her AT me - as the posts show clearly.

And I truly am not interested in talking about this or her publically anymore becuz it makes God look bad. It's unproductive and it's gotten dark.
I won't let my life be ruled or revolve around a small section on a website.
I'm focusing on repentance, and a closer walk with the Lord and off of this soap opera it's become (due to not following scripture in the first place).

I wish everybody that's sincere, peace

[Lisa0315]

lisa... i wasn't the one that had the issue with her in the first place -- it was her AT me - as the posts show clearly.

And I truly am not interested in talking about this or her publically anymore becuz it makes God look bad. It's unproductive and it's gotten dark.
I won't let my life be ruled or revolve around a small section on a website.
I'm focusing on repentance, and a closer walk with the Lord and off of this soap opera it's become (due to not following scripture in the first place).

I wish everybody that's sincere, peace

Amen. We should all do that, sis. :thumbsup:

Lisa

[IamRedeemed]

Amen, me too. Moving 180 degrees on these things and focusing on
repentance, obedience and walking more closely with the Lord.


lisa... i wasn't the one that had the issue with her in the first place -- it was her AT me - as the posts show clearly.

And I truly am not interested in talking about this or her publically anymore becuz it makes God look bad. It's unproductive and it's gotten dark.
I won't let my life be ruled or revolve around a small section on a website.
I'm focusing on repentance, and a closer walk with the Lord and off of this soap opera it's become (due to not following scripture in the first place).

I wish everybody that's sincere, peace

[Catherineanne]

Lots of insight.

Fact is though... all of this is dependent on the direction set by the new CEO.

If it stays as is I think CC will find it hard to fend off those who prefer a "tolerant" site where the undefined term "Christian" can cloak unrepentant sin and outright heresy.

^_^ ^_^ ^_^

Not even worth trying to comment, is it? It would take me a year just to unravel the buried presuppositions, and life is too short.

>>>>> off to continue unrepentant sin and outright heresy elsewhere. :ebil:

[Tangeloper]

Yep, I'm the one who reported this thread too... This discussion needs to be closed until after the probationary period.

[LilLamb219]

Closing until probationary period ends. Please remind us to reopen afterwards!