I am not joining your forum.

[stumpjumper]

I know there has been talk about drafting some more "liberals" to this forum to complete the infiltration but I have to respectfully decline.

I have decided to join the Peace Corps instead :P

[BelindaP]

Hi, Stumpy. :wave:

[NewGuy101]

I know there has been talk about drafting some more "liberals" to this forum to complete the infiltration but I have to respectfully decline.

I have decided to join the Peace Corps instead :P

I'm glad

[Nadiine]

I know there has been talk about drafting some more "liberals" to this forum to complete the infiltration but I have to respectfully decline.

I have decided to join the Peace Corps instead :P
drafting liberals?........ :tutu:

Maybe we should do a mass exodus & join WWMC and say HELLO. :D :cool:

[Time2BCounted]

Stump

If you joined our forum we would be losing a good adversary, so i am glad you decided to remain in your present position. You are an excellent spokesperson for those who are wrong :D :P

[stumpjumper]

Hi, Stumpy. :wave:

Hey.

How you all doing?

[Annabel Lee]

drafting liberals?........ :tutu:

Maybe we should do a mass exodus & join WWMC and say HELLO. :D :cool:

Come to the "We need some DRAMA!!!!" thread.

http://foru.ms/t6281551-we-need-some-drama.html

[stumpjumper]

I'm glad

Wow.

You're hard to read 'cause I thought you'd be disappointed since you seem to love liberals and all :P

drafting liberals?........

Maybe we should do a mass exodus & join WWMC and say HELLO.

Go for it.

It's rather boring over there right now so maybe you'll liven the place up :D

Stump

If you joined our forum we would be losing a good adversary, so i am glad you decided to remain in your present position. You are an excellent spokesperson for those who are wrong :D :P

Well indeed.

I need to keep my current parody up and continue to pose as a liberal.

I mean, obviously, I couldn't be both a conservative parading as a liberal and a liberal parading as a conservative at the same time.

That would, like, cause my head to explode or something :sorry:

[Nadiine]

You guys might not notice it, but all this is in this forum is an anti liberal argument... the same argument that gets rehashed.
There are people in this forum (some mods) who want to 'bridge the gap" and unite liberals with conservatives - so they're fighting for that here,
those of us who don't want to "unite" with liberals are in conflict with them.

It's the same fight - just that a few within the ranks here are pushing for liberalism to be "tolerated" and welcomed here.

Same fight, new day!
It's not a CC fight, it's liberal vs conservative

[stumpjumper]

"That they may all be one."

[stumpjumper]

It's not a CC fight, it's liberal vs conservative

What if you're a moderate?

[Time2BCounted]

I come to bring a sword

[Time2BCounted]

Stump

Thats why they are called moderates... they arent conservative
;)

[stumpjumper]

I was told to "resist not evil", "turn the other cheek", and "love my enemies".

I also have no shield.

[Macrina]

You guys might not notice it, but all this is in this forum is an anti liberal argument... the same argument that gets rehashed.
There are people in this forum (some mods) who want to 'bridge the gap" and unite liberals with conservatives - so they're fighting for that here,
those of us who don't want to "unite" with liberals are in conflict with them.

It's the same fight - just that a few within the ranks here are pushing for liberalism to be "tolerated" and welcomed here.

Same fight, new day!
It's not a CC fight, it's liberal vs conservative


Must everything be a fight?
Must every topic come down to conservative verses liberal?

[stumpjumper]

Stump

Thats why they are called moderates... they arent conservative
;)

But they're also not liberal ;)

[Lel]

I come bringing Annabel Lee's "special" cookies.

[NewGuy101]

Must everything be a fight?
Must every topic come down to conservative verses liberal?

Must everything be happy and daddy union?

Just asking..

[stumpjumper]

I come bringing Annabel Lee's "special" cookies.

Do I have to join the forum to eat them?

Them be some good cookies :)

[RobNJ]

I come to bring a sword

Maybe,, you should stay away from sharp objects ;)

[RobNJ]

I come bringing Annabel Lee's "special" cookies.

I've heard about those

[stumpjumper]

Must everything be happy and daddy union?

"And then I saw a new heaven and a new earth..."

[CaDan]

I come to bring ice cream. :D

[NewGuy101]

"And then I saw a new heaven and a new earth..."
That didn't involve liberals

[stumpjumper]

I come to bring ice cream. :D

Is it frozen solid?

T2BC's sword could come in handy :D

[Time2BCounted]

I was told to "resist not evil", "turn the other cheek", and "love my enemies".

I also have no shield.
the shield is faith

[stumpjumper]

That didn't involve liberals

So they're part of a different earth then, eh?

Now I get it.

Kinda like early morning cartoons and Bizzaro world or something...

[RobNJ]

I come to bring ice cream. :D

Chocolate chip cookie dough?

[GreenMunchkin]

You guys might not notice it, but all this is in this forum is an anti liberal argument... the same argument that gets rehashed.
There are people in this forum (some mods) who want to 'bridge the gap" and unite liberals with conservatives - so they're fighting for that here,
those of us who don't want to "unite" with liberals are in conflict with them.

It's the same fight - just that a few within the ranks here are pushing for liberalism to be "tolerated" and welcomed here.

Same fight, new day!
It's not a CC fight, it's liberal vs conservativeNadiine, at some point the snidey remarks need to stop. I'll humour this one, too, though.

My "Bridge the gap" threads were about ending the hatred, which is an affront to God. Theologically, I am as conservative as you. The only difference is our repsective approaches to it all.

Fiddledeedee :).

[stumpjumper]

the shield is faith

So then why do you need a sword?

[GreenMunchkin]

Is it frozen solid?

T2BC's sword could come in handy :DListen up. You're welcome to post in here, it's good to have you here.

But please do not use CC to mock CC members. Take it elsewhere if that's your dealio.

[Time2BCounted]

GM

I didnt see Nadiines remark as snyde, but that remark you just made seems like a flame to me

She is entitled to her opinion AND to express it and several conservatives here agree with her opinion

to call her snyde though is directing toward her person

[Time2BCounted]

Stump,
If the word of God is the sword, and this is our context, are you as a 'christian' saying now we dont need the word of God?

[stumpjumper]

Listen up. You're welcome to post in here, it's good to have you here.

But please do not use CC to mock CC members. Take it elsewhere if that's your dealio.

I was just trying to find a use for the sword...

[Macrina]

Must everything be happy and daddy union?

Just asking..

When did I ever say things always had to be happy fluff?

Yes, Jesus turned over the tables in the temple and all that.

But what about when they came to arrest him, and Peter cut off the guy's ear with his sword? Jesus told him to knock it off (MPV: Mac Paraphrase Version) and re-attached the ear, humbly going with them.

There are a lot of bloody ears lying around this forum. I hope the Lord comes soon to reattach them all.

[stumpjumper]

If the word of God is the sword, and this is our context, are you as a 'christian' saying now we dont need the word of God?

I didn't say you didn't need the word of God whatever you mean by that.

I would say that you don't need to use analogies like "bringing a sword" but then I was talking tongue in cheek anyway...

[GreenMunchkin]

GM

I didnt see Nadiines remark as snyde, but that remark you just made seems like a flame to me

She is entitled to her opinion AND to express it and several conservatives here agree with her opinion

to call her snyde though is directing toward her personCool. You should go ahead and report me, then.

I was just trying to find a use for the sword...I get that. But those are his beliefs, and two WWMCers mocking his beliefs in CC isn't gonna fly :hug:

[Time2BCounted]

I was just trying to find a use for the sword...
how about dividing?

Thats what Christ said it is for

[stumpjumper]

how about dividing?

Thats what Christ said it is for

Dividing what and for what purpose?

[Time2BCounted]

I didn't say you didn't need the word of God whatever you mean by that.

I would say that you don't need to use analogies like "bringing a sword" but then I was talking tongue in cheek anyway...
In other words i should be like Christ as a christian, just so long as im really not to the point i refuse His analogies and applications of them?

[NewGuy101]

When did I ever say things always had to be happy fluff?

Yes, Jesus turned over the tables in the temple and all that.

But what about when they came to arrest him, and Peter cut off the guy's ear with his sword? Jesus told him to knock it off (MPV: Mac Paraphrase Version) and re-attached the ear, humbly going with them.

There are a lot of bloody ears lying around this forum. I hope the Lord comes soon to reattach them all.
What you said makes absolutely NO sense to me since all it shows is a contration.

[Time2BCounted]

Dividing what and for what purpose?
Truth from lie?

Right from wrong?

Good from bad?

Christian from nonchristian?

You tell me


How do you view this? What would Christ have us divide from?

[Time2BCounted]

When did I ever say things always had to be happy fluff?

Yes, Jesus turned over the tables in the temple and all that.

But what about when they came to arrest him, and Peter cut off the guy's ear with his sword? Jesus told him to knock it off (MPV: Mac Paraphrase Version) and re-attached the ear, humbly going with them.

There are a lot of bloody ears lying around this forum. I hope the Lord comes soon to reattach them all.
Mac

Whos ears are on the floor and who did the cutting? Can you direct me to those posts please?

[JimfromOhio]

how about dividing?

Thats what Christ said it is for

Dividing what? “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12).

Our own beliefs which often been used as a "sword" are dividing us rather than united spiritually under the Cross of Christ.

[stumpjumper]

In other words i should be like Christ as a christian, just so long as im really not to the point i refuse His analogies and applications of them?

I always liked Matthew 25 when it comes to talking about acting like Christ.

Did Christ wield a sword?

Did he resist his captors when they came to take Him?

I really don't find much relevance to the "sword" analogy but to each his own...

[Macrina]

What you said makes absolutely NO sense to me since all it shows is a contration.

In recent days, lots of people here have cited the overturning-tables passage as reason to go to battle against perceived affronts to the Gospel. This has been set in opposition to the everybody-lets-be-happy mentality that you are against.

My response to this situation (broader than just your post):

1) I'm not arguing that we gloss over problems or never have conflict.

2) I am arguing that there is more conflict than is necessary or honoring to our Lord.


Bloody ears.

[BelindaP]

Actually, I think Jesus' view was that we should let God sort 'em out.
Reference: Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

[Macrina]

Mac

Whos ears are on the floor and who did the cutting? Can you direct me to those posts please?

Go to the top of the page and click "Own."

[Time2BCounted]

Dividing what? “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12).

Our own beliefs which often been used as a "sword" are dividing us rather than united spiritually under the Cross of Christ.
Jim, you are partially correct imho,

But thats not the entire applicaiton


Matthew 10

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

[stumpjumper]

What would Christ have us divide from?

John 17

[GreenMunchkin]

Moved to the Debate sub-forum :)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

When did I ever say things always had to be happy fluff?

Yes, Jesus turned over the tables in the temple and all that.

But what about when they came to arrest him, and Peter cut off the guy's ear with his sword? Jesus told him to knock it off (MPV: Mac Paraphrase Version) and re-attached the ear, humbly going with them.

There are a lot of bloody ears lying around this forum. I hope the Lord comes soon to reattach them all.

What you said makes absolutely NO sense to me since all it shows is a contration.

Well it makes complete sense to me and I see it as a confirmation to my thoughts earlier today.

Some people have said over and over again how Jesus turned over the tables at the temple. I've read that statement at least 5 or 6 times in this forum the last week or so. Today, I read it again...I believe it was Nadiine who posted the thought...and I immediately thought of Peter in the garden and how Jesus responded to his actions. In my mind there were far fewer times of righteous anger displayed from Christ than acts of love and peace. Jesus had no love for the pharasees but He still kept His peace around them for the most part.

[£amb]

So....who was bringing the ice-cream...:D

[£amb]

Oh....and hello Stump....:wave: :)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

So....who was bringing the ice-cream...:D
I don't know, but I got the popcorn covered! http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/4.gif ;)

[£amb]

I don't know, but I got the popcorn covered! http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/4.gif ;)

Ooooo...that reminds me! I got some Kettle corn from the boy-scouts. I will be having a bag of that and watching Ghosthunters in over an hour...:)

[£amb]

Well shucks...I join the party and everyone leaves...:(




:D

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Well shucks...I join the party and everyone leaves...:(




:D
^_^ :hug:

[stumpjumper]

Oh....and hello Stump....:wave: :)

Hello :wave:



















I'm still not joining the forum...

[JimfromOhio]

Jim, you are partially correct imho,

But thats not the entire applicaiton


Matthew 10

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

When Christ was speaking to the religious leaders, He was the "Prince of Peace", who brought division and a sword which resulted in division and strife. There is peace in the heart of one who believes, but in this world (flesh) there is nothing but division. Paul said, "What shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? in First Corinthians.

[£amb]

When Christ was speaking to the religious leaders, He was the "Prince of Peace", who brought division and a sword which resulted in division and strife. There is peace in the heart of one who believes, but in this world (flesh) there is nothing but division. Paul said, "What shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? in First Corinthians.

:thumbsup:

[Father Rick]

Then (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5119&version=nas) Jesus (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2424&version=nas) *said (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3004&version=nas) to him, "Put (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=654&version=nas) your sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas) back (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=654&version=nas) into its place (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5117&version=nas); for all (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956&version=nas) those (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3588&version=nas) who take (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2983&version=nas) up the sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas) shall perish (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=622&version=nas) by the sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas).

[£amb]

Hello :wave:



















I'm still not joining the forum...

Darn...then I guess arm twisting is out of the picture...:P

[stumpjumper]

Ooooo...that reminds me! I got some Kettle corn from the boy-scouts. I will be having a bag of that and watching Ghosthunters in over an hour...:)

That's some good popcorn.

My boys are Tiger Cubs this year...

[RobNJ]

Then (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5119&version=nas) Jesus (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2424&version=nas) *said (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3004&version=nas) to him, "Put (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=654&version=nas) your sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas) back (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=654&version=nas) into its place (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5117&version=nas); for all (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956&version=nas) those (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3588&version=nas) who take (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2983&version=nas) up the sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas) shall perish (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=622&version=nas) by the sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas).

:amen:

[£amb]

Hi Father Rick...all these new faces for me...:wave:

[£amb]

That's some good popcorn.

My boys are Tiger Cubs this year...

I know...I'm actually drooling thinking about it. Not very lady like...:blush:

[Father Rick]

Mic 4:3 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=mic+4:3&version=nsn&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) And He will judge (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=08199&version=nas) between (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0996&version=nas) many peoples And render (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03198&version=nas) decisions (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03198&version=nas) for mighty (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=06099&version=nas), distant (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=07350&version=nas) nations (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=01471&version=nas). Then they will hammer (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03807&version=nas) their swords (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=02719&version=nas) into plowshares And their spears (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=02595&version=nas) into pruning (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=04211&version=nas) hooks (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=04211&version=nas); Nation (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=01471&version=nas) will not lift (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=05375&version=nas) up sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=02719&version=nas) against (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=0413&version=nas) nation (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=01471&version=nas), And never (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03808&version=nas) again (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=05750&version=nas) will they train (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=03925&version=nas) for war (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=04421&version=nas).

[£amb]

LOL Stump...your custom title sure gave me a visual I don't think I want to imagine again...^_^

[stumpjumper]

Well I must go give the baby a bath.

Mommy got stuck at work....


















She's not joining the forum either.

I mean the baby not mommy. Mommy needs to join the "get a watch club" :D

[Time2BCounted]

Then (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5119&version=nas) Jesus (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2424&version=nas) *said (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3004&version=nas) to him, "Put (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=654&version=nas) your sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas) back (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=654&version=nas) into its place (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=5117&version=nas); for all (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956&version=nas) those (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3588&version=nas) who take (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2983&version=nas) up the sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas) shall perish (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=622&version=nas) by the sword (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3162&version=nas).
Ah yes liberal interpretation Fr Rick?

Let me not assume though and simply ask how you interpret this passage?

[£amb]

Well...I'm leaving this party and joining another one if it's interesting...:wave:

Unless that Kettle corn starts calling my name....

[NewGuy101]

In recent days, lots of people here have cited the overturning-tables passage as reason to go to battle against perceived affronts to the Gospel. This has been set in opposition to the everybody-lets-be-happy mentality that you are against.

My response to this situation (broader than just your post):

1) I'm not arguing that we gloss over problems or never have conflict.

2) I am arguing that there is more conflict than is necessary or honoring to our Lord.


Bloody ears.
Besides the fact that verse DOSEN'T seem to reflect what you present. I think the war hasn't been fought enough, everyone want's to be happy and "focus on what we agree on."

[Father Rick]

Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers.

Who were those moneychangers? God had prescribed a method of sacrifice/worship.

The Israelites were to come to Jerusalem for the Feasts, bringing the tithe of their increase with them, and there offer sacrifice to God. If, however, they lived too far away to bring the actual livestock, etc. with them, they were to sell it... then bring the money and once they got to Jerusalem they were to buy what they needed to worship/offer sacrifice. (Deuteronomy 14:22-29).

The money changers were religious people who decreed that the money people were bringing wasn't "holy enough" to use to buy things for worship (even though that is what God said do), so the people had to exchange it for "temple money" that was somehow holier... then they could use that temple money to buy the lambs, etc. for sacrifice. And these money changers were ripping people off with their "exchange rates".

In short... the money changers were religious people who were making it hard for people to come to God-- accusing the people of being too "secular".

These were the people Jesus took a whip to.

In fact, if you read through scripture, the ONLY people that Jesus ever railed against were the religious people who were making it difficult for the others to come to Him.

To the sinner... He said come.
To the prostitute... He said come.
To the adultress... He said come.
To the tax collector... He said come.

To the pharisees and scribes who criticized Him for being so "liberal" because He was constantly associating with these kinds of people, and were criticizing others for not being as "conservative" as they were ... well, He called them "serpents", "white-washed sepulchres", and "children of satan".

[Speculative]

Ooooo...that reminds me! I got some Kettle corn from the boy-scouts. I will be having a bag of that and watching Ghosthunters in over an hour...:)

That's some good popcorn.

My boys are Tiger Cubs this year...
My youngest is in the wolf den. My wife and I are co-leaders.

Considering what I've been called by members of this subforum, there may be a few here that would join me in appreciating the humor^_^

[~free~]

Hey Spec :wave:

Hey everyone...I thought I smelled popcorn in here...

[CaDan]

Well...I'm leaving this party and joining another one if it's interesting...:wave:

Unless that Kettle corn starts calling my name....

Have you ever had caramel corn over ice cream? Surprisingly delicious!

OK . . . Back to cleaning up the iTunes library on the server . . . .

[GreenMunchkin]

Have you ever had caramel corn over ice cream? Surprisingly delicious!

OK . . . Back to cleaning up the iTunes library on the server . . . .What's caramel corn?

[stumpjumper]

My youngest is in the wolf den. My wife and I are co-leaders.

Considering what I've been called by members of this subforum, there may be a few here that would join me in appreciating the humor^_^

Well.

It's a good thing the Girl Scouts don't have dens and that, if they did, they don't have one called "Sheep Den".

Then the wolves would be in trouble :D

[Joykins]

Besides the fact that verse DOSEN'T seem to reflect what you present. I think the war hasn't been fought enough, everyone want's to be happy and "focus on what we agree on."


For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Don't lose sight of the true enemy.

[CaDan]

What's caramel corn?

Popcorn with a thin coating of slightly caramelized sugar--often with a bit of treacle added as well.

[GreenMunchkin]

Popcorn with a thin coating of slightly caramelized sugar--often with a bit of treacle added as well.Doesn't suck, then. Don't think we get that here.

America has all the best stuff :(

[CaDan]

Doesn't suck, then. Don't think we get that here.

America has all the best stuff :(

It's pretty easy to make if you are not afraid of caramelizing sugar.

[Joykins]

Doesn't suck, then. Don't think we get that here.

America has all the best stuff :(

Caramel popcorn is teh awesome, it is responsible for at least 5 of my extra pounds, and it keeps practically forever. Bonus, if they don't sell it where you live you can make your own with this recipe.
(http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Caramel-Popcorn/Detail.aspx)

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

There,s Liberals in the wood work. There everywhere, and there going to get us. Watchout!

[Joykins]

If mommy is a commie then you gotta turn her in :eek:

[JimfromOhio]

My wife is a liberal, can I turn her in? LOL

[NewGuy101]

Don't lose sight of the true enemy.
That verse proves my point, what are you talking about?

[Joykins]

Liberals aren't your enemy. Liberals are flesh and blood i.e. people. Satan is your enemy.

[NewGuy101]

Liberals aren't your enemy. Liberals are flesh and blood i.e. people. Satan is your enemy.
You mean people who pervert the Gosple aren't working for the enemy? Everyone is flesh and blood, even murders what's your point?


BTW I hope that you believe in biblical inerrency of scripture other than that quoting scripture is pretty much useless.

[Nadiine]

Site rules restrict NewGuy from saying what he'd say, so... why don't you leave it be and move forward?

edit: k, he did well enough on his own :D anyways, newguy's my bro.

[NewGuy101]

Site rules restrict NewGuy from saying what he'd say, so... why don't you leave it be and move forward?

edit: k, he did well enough on his own :D anyways, newguy's my bro.
maybe they'll find some dirt on me and get me banned


:P

[Joykins]

You mean people who pervert the Gosple aren't working for the enemy? Everyone is flesh and blood, even murders what's your point?

They're not the enemy either. But even if they are, you should love them, if you take Jesus's teaching seriously.

Could you explain to me why liberals := "people who pervert the Gospel" in your opinion?


BTW I hope that you believe in biblical inerrency of scripture other than that quoting scripture is pretty much useless.


I believe scripture to be authoritative in spiritual things. Even if I didn't, you find it inerrant so it's a way to communicate.

[Joykins]

maybe they'll find some dirt on me and get me banned


:P

If they do it won't be my fault. My policy is to never report anyone for anything. Even if it makes me mad.

[NewGuy101]

If they do it won't be my fault. My policy is to never report anyone for anything. Even if it makes me mad.
It was a joke...

[NewGuy101]

They're not the enemy either. But even if they are, you should love them, if you take Jesus's teaching seriously.

Could you explain to me why liberals := "people who pervert the Gospel" in your opinion?
The term is too hard to define, but for now I will define them as those who attack the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That includes the bible,traditional Christian values such inerrancy, pro-life...ect.

That good enough?





I believe scripture to be authoritative in spiritual things. Even if I didn't, you find it inerrant so it's a way to communicate.
What exactly do you mean authoratative? And to me if you use it and it means nothing there is no point in listening to you.

[Joykins]

The term is too hard to define, but for now I will define them as those who attack the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That includes the bible,traditional Christian values such inerrancy, pro-life...ect.

That good enough?


I don't attack the Bible. I regard the Bible very highly.

The word "gospel" means good news and the good news is for those who know without God's help they are perishing in their sins. The gospel is about God becoming a flesh-limited human and living here on earth, teaching us and finally showing His overwhelming love for us (while we were yet sinners!) by dying for us. The resurrection signifies the victory of God's love, grace, and forgiveness over sin and death and hell. Through God's work on earth through the man Christ Jesus we have the opportunity to become reconciled with God starting in this life and continuing after. I am awed by the love and power and grace of God shown by the gospel. The Bible is where we find the stories that make up the gospel and its background.

That is my take on the gospel. How is it perverted in your opinion?

What exactly do you mean authoratative? And to me if you use it and it means nothing there is no point in listening to you.

Grabbed this from Wikipedia:


Biblical inerrancy is the doctrinal position that in its original form, the Bible is totally without error, and free from all contradiction; "referring to the complete accuracy of Scripture, including the historical and scientific parts". Inerrancy is distinguished from Biblical infallibility (or limited inerrancy), which holds that the Bible is inerrant on issues of faith and practice but not history or science.

The denomination I am currently attending holds to the infallibility position and my current position is very similar.

[NewGuy101]

I don't attack the Bible. I regard the Bible very highly.

The word "gospel" means good news and the good news is for those who know without God's help they are perishing in their sins. The gospel is about God becoming a flesh-limited human and living here on earth, teaching us and finally showing His overwhelming love for us (while we were yet sinners!) by dying for us. The resurrection signifies the victory of God's love, grace, and forgiveness over sin and death and hell. Through God's work on earth through the man Christ Jesus we have the opportunity to become reconciled with God starting in this life and continuing after. I am awed by the love and power and grace of God shown by the gospel. The Bible is where we find the stories that make up the gospel and its background.

That is my take on the gospel. How is it perverted in your opinion?



Grabbed this from Wikipedia:



The denomination I am currently attending holds to the infallibility position and my current position is very similar.

So is it just stories or did God in the flesh come and die for our sins?

And here some verses showing us that we should be aware of those around us that pervert the Gospel.


Philippians 3

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

[CaDan]

So I guess the caramel corn thing was just a non-starter. :(

[Joykins]

So is it just stories or did God in the flesh come and die for our sins?

Isn't that what I said?

And here some verses showing us that we should be aware of those around us that pervert the Gospel.


Philippians 3

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)


Evil people like to be in the church, it hides their evil well and gives them a ready-made group of other people who are initially willing to trust them. You have to look at the fruit of their behavior to know if they are pleasing the Lord or not:

Galatians 5:22-23

[Speculative]

There,s Liberals in the wood work. There everywhere, and there going to get us. Watchout!
We be in ur forumz. comin 2 git yoo:eek:

[~free~]

We be in ur forumz. comin 2 git yoo:eek:
:(

[Speculative]

Well.

It's a good thing the Girl Scouts don't have dens and that, if they did, they don't have one called "Sheep Den".

Then the wolves would be in trouble :DI think our boys might be able to survive that, as long as we don't make them wear sheep's clothing ;)

[Athene]

So is it just stories or did God in the flesh come and die for our sins?

And here some verses showing us that we should be aware of those around us that pervert the Gospel.


Philippians 3

17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Well you preach a gospel which is no kind of gospel at all. The gospel simply put is that we are saved because Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again 3 days later, you would add extra restrictions, you are saved because you have the right beliefs, you are saved because you believe the Bible to be inerrant. You don't seem to get God's grace at all, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten so so that all who trust in Him shall not die but have eternal life, do you read the same thing I do, all those who trust in him, not all those who believe the Bible to be inerrant.

[£amb]

My youngest is in the wolf den. My wife and I are co-leaders.

Considering what I've been called by members of this subforum, there may be a few here that would join me in appreciating the humor^_^

Don't worry....I get it...teehee;)

[£amb]

Have you ever had caramel corn over ice cream? Surprisingly delicious!

OK . . . Back to cleaning up the iTunes library on the server . . . .


No...but I love sugar on top of sugar combinations...:yum:

[NewGuy101]

Well you preach a gospel which is no kind of gospel at all. The gospel simply put is that we are saved because Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again 3 days later, you would add extra restrictions, you are saved because you have the right beliefs, you are saved because you believe the Bible to be inerrant. You don't seem to get God's grace at all, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten so so that all who trust in Him shall not die but have eternal life, do you read the same thing I do, all those who trust in him, not all those who believe the Bible to be inerrant.
God died for his elect, if you want to get into a debate if soteriology I'd love to do it. I've been wanting to take on some semipalegian for a while now.

God's grace is for those he will for him to have it. And yes God loves the world, just not everyone in it.BTW it's our beliefs that make us Christian, without it you are preaching universalism.

[BelindaP]

I was just getting ready to say 'how very calvinist of you', and then I saw your faith icon. :D

[stumpjumper]

I was just getting ready to say 'how very calvinist of you', and then I saw your faith icon. :D

Newguy's an "Atheist Christian Liberal" not a Calvinist dontchknow :P

[stumpjumper]

God died for his elect, if you want to get into a debate if soteriology I'd love to do it. I've been wanting to take on some semipalegian for a while now.

Lutherans are neither Calvinists nor semipelagians...

[BelindaP]

Is Athene Lutheran?

[NewGuy101]

Lutherans are neither Calvinists nor semipelagians...
I've been studying Lutherans theology, it's very interesting. God has his elect and also gives everyone a chance....Luther stated that salvation is a mystery.

[NewGuy101]

Newguy's an "Atheist Christian Liberal" not a Calvinist dontchknow :P
"Militant Fundamentalist Christian Liberal" thank you very much

[stumpjumper]

I've been studying Lutherans theology, it's very interesting. God has his elect and also gives everyone a chance....Luther stated that salvation is a mystery.

True.

Luther's theology simultaneously accepts freedom of the will and predestination (or God's direct action in our lives) in a paradoxical way...

Some things are not for us to know...

[BelindaP]

Ya need to change your siggie, then. :P

[stumpjumper]

"Militant Fundamentalist Christian Liberal" thank you very much

I stand corrected ^_^

[Joykins]

"Militant Fundamentalist Christian Liberal" thank you very much

You are a riddle wrapped in an enigma cloaked in a mystery. I'm a leftist social libertarian with a Baptist and Anabaptist and nondenom background at a Methodist church. :tutu:

I'm cool with Lutheran soteriology, being more and more content to let the mystery be as I age (I age like a fine wine or steak :P )

[NewGuy101]

True.

Luther's theology simultaneously accepts freedom of the will and predestination (or God's direct action in our lives) in a paradoxical way...

Some things are not for us to know...
What's ironic is that calvinist accept freedom of the will as well, except our will is determined.

[Joykins]

What's ironic is that calvinist accept freedom of the will as well, except our will is determined.

I've always thought that from our frame of reference, free will and predestination are more or less the same thing. :sorry:

[stumpjumper]

What's ironic is that calvinist accept freedom of the will as well, except our will is determined.

If your will is determined, it isn't free nor is it your own.

I would say that we have true freedom, which seems pretty self evident to me, but that God can still act in and through us in some way.

[NewGuy101]

If your will is determined, it isn't free nor is it your own.

I would say that we have true freedom, which seems pretty self evident to me, but that God can still act in and through us in some way.
It depends as to what you define as "free." You cannot argue that we are not shaped atleast by you experiences, genetics and environment...we are determinde to a certain extent. Absolute free will cannot exist.

[CaDan]

Nietzsche vs. Dostoevsky

FIGHT!

:D

[Athene]

God died for his elect, if you want to get into a debate if soteriology I'd love to do it. I've been wanting to take on some semipalegian for a while now.

God's grace is for those he will for him to have it. And yes God loves the world, just not everyone in it.BTW it's our beliefs that make us Christian, without it you are preaching universalism.

By all means start a new thread, I may contribute.

[stumpjumper]

It depends as to what you define as "free."

It's generally considered free from outside determination or determinism.

I haven't read much Luther lately but I seem to remember he would talk about fate, providence, and destiny in a mild manner but would also affirm our freedom even though our will is bound to sin.

You cannot argue that we are not shaped atleast by you experiences, genetics and environment...we are determinde to a certain extent. Absolute free will cannot exist.

Sure. I don't deny that at all but influences don't rise to the point of causation or you are not talking about an indeterministic state of affairs at all...

[stumpjumper]

Nietzsche vs. Dostoevsky

FIGHT!

:D

And Dostoevsky produces a haymaker and Nietzsche stumbles back and crumbles against the wall...

[aBrotherINJESUSCHRIST]

thanks for the contribution...:thumbsup: :wave: :scratch:

I know there has been talk about drafting some more "liberals" to this forum to complete the infiltration but I have to respectfully decline.

I have decided to join the Peace Corps instead :P