How do deal with "Them" (Refuge spin-off)

[Time2BCounted]

I would like to state that this is half a gospel imho

A half a gospel is WORSE than no gospel and this is also imho

We denounce Jw, LDS and Universalist teaching because they take what they want and simply trash the rest in the opinion of many, and yet some seem to feel we have to be emotionally blackmailed and toss rebuke and guarding the flock of God and simply standing with the armour of God???

Where is the backbone of Paul?

I was going to post scriptures but you KNOW the scriptures, REPOROVE REBUKE, there are some whose mouths must be STOPPED, fools and blind, hypocrites brood of vipers...


What i find amazing is that you have people here who will stand with strength and boldness and yet when wolves DO come and these people stand THEY are rebiuked and wolves are embraced

I note only a few cared when to notice the occultish things and connections i pointed out, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, concerning the occult forum... It doesnt matter they wanted to name it after satan, o my gosh that was just an accident. It doesnt matter that they carry wiccan/pagan greeting in their titles and sigs, it doesnt matter they are self proclaimed mystics and this can be taken as occult

I post it to warn IN OUR OWN FORUM, to YOU ALL so you can use the info in your discernment, they come here for over 3 straight hours attacking OUR FORUM WHILE YOU MODS WITH THE POWER to do something about it sat on your hands and let them, AND THEN you defend them because a few of us defen=ded YOU and our home


NOW staff isnt standing for THAT, isnt standing for their own member here, BUT when they find out theres a site wide recall of staff THIS effects your 'position' so its time to pm all over the place about it and voice a concern

Is this how you suggest we handle 'them'?

I disagree

[JimfromOhio]

I would like to state that this is half a gospel imho

A half a gospel is WORSE than no gospel and this is also imho

We denounce Jw, LDS and Universalist teaching because they take what they want and simply trash the rest in the opinion of many, and yet some seem to feel we have to be emotionally blackmailed and toss rebuke and guarding the flock of God and simply standing with the armour of God???

Where is the backbone of Paul?

I was going to post scriptures but you KNOW the scriptures, REPOROVE REBUKE, there are some whose mouths must be STOPPED, fools and blind, hypocrites brood of vipers...


What i find amazing is that you have people here who will stand with strength and boldness and yet when wolves DO come and these people stand THEY are rebiuked and wolves are embraced

I note only a few cared when to notice the occultish things and connections i pointed out, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE, concerning the occult forum... It doesnt matter they wanted to name it after satan, o my gosh that was just an accident. It doesnt matter that they carry wiccan/pagan greeting in their titles and sigs, it doesnt matter they are self proclaimed mystics and this can be taken as occult

I post it to warn IN OUR OWN FORUM, to YOU ALL so you can use the info in your discernment, they come here for over 3 straight hours attacking OUR FORUM WHILE YOU MODS WITH THE POWER to do something about it sat on your hands and let them, AND THEN you defend them because a few of us defen=ded YOU and our home


NOW staff isnt standing for THAT, isnt standing for their own member here, BUT when they find out theres a site wide recall of staff THIS effects your 'position' so its time to pm all over the place about it and voice a concern

Is this how you suggest we handle 'them'?

I disagree

Christians are to discern and share the dangers of false teachings and wolves. We can't totally protect other Christians, only God can. We are to do our part of sharing the gospel and the dangers while God takes care of the rest. Discernment may be simply defined as the ability to biblically decide between right and wrong, between truth and error, between good and evil. Christians are responsible to exercise caution and discernment, especially in temporal and spiritual matters. Discernment is the means God uses to literally divide light from darkness, truth from falsehood, right motive from wrong motive, selflessness from selfishness. In Hebrews 5:14 we are told that discernment comes with spiritual maturity that the Spirit works in us (diakrisis - Strong's #1253).

Other than that, I am trusting God who controls everything in this world including this forum.

[Time2BCounted]

Christians are to discern and share the dangers of false teachings and wolves. We can't totally protect other Christians, only God can. We are to do our part of sharing the gospel and the dangers while God takes care of the rest. Discernment may be simply defined as the ability to biblically decide between right and wrong, between truth and error, between good and evil. Christians are responsible to exercise caution and discernment, especially in temporal and spiritual matters. Discernment is the means God uses to literally divide light from darkness, truth from falsehood, right motive from wrong motive, selflessness from selfishness. In Hebrews 5:14 we are told that discernment comes with spiritual maturity that the Spirit works in us (diakrisis - Strong's #1253).

Other than that, I am trusting God who controls everything in this world including this forum.
What does discernment say about the present situation, and the pattern i see that this forum is more apt to ostracize those who WILL stand in exchange for embraceing occultish connected forum members who come here and attack this forum for 3 or more hours at a time?

[JimfromOhio]

What does discernment say about the present situation, and the pattern i see that this forum is more apt to ostracize those who WILL stand in exchange for embraceing occultish connected forum members who come here and attack this forum for 3 or more hours at a time?

I like this quote...
If we fight the Lord's battles merely by duplicating the way the world does its work, we are like little boys playing with wooden swords pretending they are in the battle while their big brothers are away in some distant bloody land. Francis Schaeffer Death in the City (Downers Grove, InterVarsity Press: 1969) 142

and this
Christianity is a battle, not a dream. - Wendell Phillips

and this
Introspection can easily become the tool of Satan, who is called the accuser. One of his chief weapons is discouragement. He knows that if he can make us discouraged and dispirited we will not fight the battle for holiness. Jerry Bridges

We live in a world in which there is a great spiritual battle raging (Ephesians 6:10-18). Christians are always engaged in a spiritual warfare whether you accept it or not. In my office, I have this cute cartoon that my mother gave me. It is showing a cute person wearing the Armor of God and shooting arrows (devil's schemes). A quote under the cartoon states: "Look at it this way...... Without these trials, testing of your faith, working of patience, and fighting a good fight.......LIFE COULD BE BORING." (see 1 Peter 1:7) Through the Sword of the Spirit, we have the power to overcome any evil that we face in this world.

Force is not needed because Grace is more powerful than force. Many Christians seem to understand the concept of being saved by grace, but they have missed the concept of being sustained by grace. Grace is always forgive your enemies because nothing annoys them so much.

[Time2BCounted]

How does one unify when they are compelled to ask about red flag signals concerning an occult forum, and compelled to try to pass an amendment defining christianity in such a way as to eliminate universalist doctrine, and brothers and sisters attack them because of those who oppose it attacking their forum?

The only option i see myself being given is sit down and shut up or resign

How is this a unifying proposal? Am i expected here to drop my concerns and convictions because we are inconvenienced by those outside? Or should we all stand together against outside attack?

What do you siggest?

[Willtor]

How does one unify when they are compelled to ask about red flag signals concerning an occult forum, and compelled to try to pass an amendment defining christianity in such a way as to eliminate universalist doctrine, and brothers and sisters attack them because of those who oppose it attacking their forum?

The only option i see myself being given is sit down and shut up or resign

How is this a unifying proposal? Am i expected here to drop my concerns and convictions because we are inconvenienced by those outside? Or should we all stand together against outside attack?

What do you siggest?

I'm afraid I don't know what you're referring to. I skimmed back through the thread again but I can't find a post talking about unity. Maybe it was deleted?

[Lisa0315]

How does one unify when they are compelled to ask about red flag signals concerning an occult forum, and compelled to try to pass an amendment defining christianity in such a way as to eliminate universalist doctrine, and brothers and sisters attack them because of those who oppose it attacking their forum?

The only option i see myself being given is sit down and shut up or resign

How is this a unifying proposal? Am i expected here to drop my concerns and convictions because we are inconvenienced by those outside? Or should we all stand together against outside attack?

What do you siggest?

Time,
Let's step back for a moment.

There is NO Satanic forum on this board. There is a Satanic Recovery Forum. It is private and private for many, many reasons. The original name for the forum is NOT Satanic, never was, never will be. Yet, out of good will, they changed it.

I talk to Moriah on a daily basis. She DOES want to be delivered. There is FAR, FAR more to what you know. Those few who know her story, you need to trust them and allow God to work through them to help her.

Already, there have been great strides towards her getting real life help. That is the ONLY goal of Beth Miqlat.

You are raising issues that have been settled for weeks now. While there may still be things that need to be improved, there is no grand conspiracy to infiltrate CF with Satanic doctrine. Your perception of this affair is way, way overboard and exaggerated.

You are seeing problems where there are none. No matter who talks to you, you seem to simply refuse to listen. I am trying one more time to get through to you.

There is NOTHING to be concerned about. The things that could be possible concerns have been addressed. Moriah abides by every single thing that has been asked of her. The only thing she absolutely refused to do was be watched by the entire forum as she laid out her life in the gory details.

Not everyone belongs in Beth Miqlat because half the reason there is a need for a private forum is because people have proven over and over that they cannot deal with the subject. Rather than acknowledge that it is their own faith that cannot handle it, they prefer to blame Moriah.

Moriah is Moriah. We cannot expect Moriah to act civilized. She is NOT civilized. She would be the first to tell you that she is NOT civilized. CF has chained her just like the Jews chained the demoniac in the Gospels. They tried to bind the young man but they had no power to bind him. Only Jesus can bind these demons. Only Jesus can deliver Moriah. No one is trying to deliver Moriah, but we are trying to teach her that Jesus will not hurt her. She has been taught her whole life the opposite of what you and I know about God. We are teaching Moriah about the love and compassion of God. The concept is alien to her.

Would you please, please have enough faith to give this a chance? She is already so much better than she was. This is not a light case of occultic history but beyond anything you can imagine. Please, please, please for God's sake, let her get the help that we can give her here until such time that she can feel safe enough to get real life help. She is on her way. Please do not hinder the progress.

This is greater than you, or me, or CCC, or the whole of CF. This is so great than only God can handle this. Please let Him.

Lisa

[Time2BCounted]

Time,
Let's step back for a moment.

There is NO Satanic forum on this board. There is a Satanic Recovery Forum. It is private and private for many, many reasons. The original name for the forum is NOT Satanic, never was, never will be. Yet, out of good will, they changed it.

I talk to Moriah on a daily basis. She DOES want to be delivered. There is FAR, FAR more to what you know. Those few who know her story, you need to trust them and allow God to work through them to help her.

Already, there have been great strides towards her getting real life help. That is the ONLY goal of Beth Miqlat.

You are raising issues that have been settled for weeks now. While there may still be things that need to be improved, there is no grand conspiracy to infiltrate CF with Satanic doctrine. Your perception of this affair is way, way overboard and exaggerated.

You are seeing problems where there are none. No matter who talks to you, you seem to simply refuse to listen. I am trying one more time to get through to you.

There is NOTHING to be concerned about. The things that could be possible concerns have been addressed. Moriah abides by every single thing that has been asked of her. The only thing she absolutely refused to do was be watched by the entire forum as she laid out her life in the gory details.

Not everyone belongs in Beth Miqlat because half the reason there is a need for a private forum is because people have proven over and over that they cannot deal with the subject. Rather than acknowledge that it is their own faith that cannot handle it, they prefer to blame Moriah.

Moriah is Moriah. We cannot expect Moriah to act civilized. She is NOT civilized. She would be the first to tell you that she is NOT civilized. CF has chained her just like the Jews chained the demoniac in the Gospels. They tried to bind the young man but they had no power to bind him. Only Jesus can bind these demons. Only Jesus can deliver Moriah. No one is trying to deliver Moriah, but we are trying to teach her that Jesus will not hurt her. She has been taught her whole life the opposite of what you and I know about God. We are teaching Moriah about the love and compassion of God. The concept is alien to her.

Would you please, please have enough faith to give this a chance? She is already so much better than she was. This is not a light case of occultic history but beyond anything you can imagine. Please, please, please for God's sake, let her get the help that we can give her here until such time that she can feel safe enough to get real life help. She is on her way. Please do not hinder the progress.

This is greater than you, or me, or CCC, or the whole of CF. This is so great than only God can handle this. Please let Him.

Lisa
i might direct you to posts where belinda now admits that 'blessed be; is a wiccan and pagan identifier and that many helping that forum carry it in their titles and sigs

i might also point out that Meh admits that they originally DID try to name it satans reguge, but she says it was an accident... very naieve imho

[Time2BCounted]

In the thread concerning mysticism, youll find in post # 2 i think it is, my first post there, a list of things... red flags. That is very important

the thread is here

http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=39818899#post39818899

then in post # 34 youll find where meh makes the following quote admitting they originally wanted to call is satans refuge.. but she naievely believes it was a mistake
The name they had at first...they thought it meant refuge. It might mean Satan's Refuge, but the people putting forth that name didn't know that. They did not. They did not. They did not. I don't know how much more clearly I can say that. It was in no way an attempt to get it called Satan's Refuge.


Then in post 8 youll find this

I have as many sources

Beth She'an was an ancient Cananite city LONG before the Exodus, and long before it was a Hebrew city

Quote:
Judges 1:27-28 But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo and their surrounding settlements, for the Canaanites were determined to live in that land. 28 When Israel became strong, they pressed the Canaanites into forced labor but never drove them out completely. (NIV)
So they were pagan. Who was their God? The Serpent

heres one pic, the pagan temple of the serpent is number one in the pic
http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/betshe02.jpg

and heres another pic showing it is a 'high place', the center of the city
http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/betshe04.jpg

then we have this pottery from the most ancient satanic temple...
http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/law/photo/etwog11b.jpg



Snakes also decorate an ancient pottery stand found in a Canaanite temple at Beth-shean



Finally in post 23 here: http://foru.ms/t6276371&page=3
youll see belinda make the following statement regarding all the people associated with that forum who were the wiccan pagan greeting in their sigs and titles

I think everyone on the forum knows that wiccans commonly use that phrase.

[BelindaP]

T2BC, please don't mangle my quotes to make it appear I was referring to the Refuge forum. Lisa, look at the entire quote. I was referring to 4U, and it is very clear.

[Lisa0315]

Time, The image you have is a Cannannite vessel. They did not believe in Satan. I imagine that vessels such as these can be found just about ANYWHERE in the Holy Land. It was a pretty Godless place, or should I say MANY god place. It was the abominations committed that caused them to be spewed out, remember?

Second, You either think people are lying to you or have been lied to. This means that you believe Moriah is manipulating every single one of us. I am here to tell you that Moriah is truly infested with demons and if ANYONE is doing the manipulation, it is not Moriah, but those that are indwelling her.

It is EXTREMELY dangerous for ANY of us to be dealing with this. However, rather than dig a hole and bury Moriah in it, you need to cover us and her with prayer. It is not pretty. It is deadly. It is real.

Remember your Scripture? It is not PEOPLE you have a battle with, but with Spiritual powers. We need you to HELP battle these THINGS, not continue to hammer away to get rid of it.

If you are sucessful, Moriah's demons do not go away. If you continue getting more people aroused with hatred towards this forum, you are actually helping the demons to win. We want the demons out, but they are not leaving without a great deal of prayer and a great deal of fasting. That is what Jesus said and what I have begged and begged people to do.

If Moriah was to get completely banned and BM was shut down, the demons will NOT leave this place. They will simply take on a new form.

You are just plain wrong on this. I cannnot emphasize to you enough how wrong you are.

This spirit of divisiveness is not from God. So many people have expressed shock because you are not acting like yourself. Does that not clue you in?

Brother, you are in danger yourself. You are being used by the forces of darkness to perpetuate their existence here rather than drive them out.

I care enough about you to tell you the truth and plainly. Call me out. Report me. Do what you have to do. I don't care. I have been through the fire and have been seared by it and purified by it, I know what I am talking about. On this, you are poking into God's business and you are hindering a great work.

You do not know of what you speak.

You talk about red flags. Did it ever occur to you that your focus on these things is actually what Satan wants you to focus on. Rather than cover us with prayer, you are forcing us to fight for Moriah's right to be here. Rather than allowing us to spend the time helping her to learn how to trust God, we are here having to teach you to trust us.

Those who have gained access, those who had the very same concerns as you have come away knowing that God was at work. No matter how many people we bring in to testify of this, you refuse to believe it. Why is that? Why do you insist that something is going on that is not? Who is the one person you would trust to tell you that things are as they should be in Beth Miqlat?

Lisa


In the thread concerning mysticism, youll find in post # 2 i think it is, my first post there, a list of things... red flags. That is very important

the thread is here

http://foru.ms/showthread.php?p=39818899#post39818899

then in post # 34 youll find where meh makes the following quote admitting they originally wanted to call is satans refuge.. but she naievely believes it was a mistake
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Then in post 8 youll find this

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Finally in post 23 here: http://foru.ms/t6276371&page=3
youll see belinda make the following statement regarding all the people associated with that forum who were the wiccan pagan greeting in their sigs and titles

[Lisa0315]

T2BC, please don't mangle my quotes to make it appear I was referring to the Refuge forum. Lisa, look at the entire quote. I was referring to 4U, and it is very clear.

Are you as tired of this as I am?

It is sad when a Christian prefers the company of sinners rather than saints. I go out to battle. I wanted to come back home to relax and enjoy being with my brothers and sisters. This does not feel like a relaxing place anymore.


Lisa

[Time2BCounted]

Time, The image you have is a Cannannite vessel. They did not believe in Satan. I imagine that vessels such as these can be found just about ANYWHERE in the Holy Land.
Lisa
that cannaaite vessel came from bet she'an ;)

[Macrina]

i just hate my brothers and sisters blaming me personally for standing against such things and standing to DO good things outside of the forum

This is not what is happening, and this is not the thread in which to discuss BeMi. Please respect the topic of the threads and confine your discussion of BeMi to the other half-dozen threads on the topic. Thank you.

[Time2BCounted]

In whos opinion? Your biased one or my biased one?

i have the quotes to prove it and i was addressing a question asked of me thank you

[Macrina]

This is not the thread to discuss BeMi. Take it elsewhere, please.

[BelindaP]

that cannaaite vessel came from bet she'an ;)

Which was a pagan city whose deity was the deity of refuge and peace.