Does God's word consider Benny Hinn False?

[gailmac]

Don't you think if Benny Hinn said he was under the anointing when God told him the Gays would be wiped out by fire in the mid 90s.....means he is not speaking for God and would have been killed (Deut. 18:20)

[Lotar]

Benny Hinn has done many many things that prove him false.

[Blackhawk]

Benny once said that he had a revelation from God that before Jesus comes back "There is going to be no saint that will be taken up from a wheelchair." That all will be healed before then.

[Lotar]

Too bad we don't burn heretics at the stake anymore :sorry:

[didaskalos]

Don't you think if Benny Hinn said he was under the anointing when God told him the Gays would be wiped out by fire in the mid 90s.....means he is not speaking for God and would have been killed (Deut. 18:20)
The New Testament requirements for a NT prophet are different than those for the OT prophet.
First off.... is he claiming to even be a prophet? I don't know. I have not see him. But even if he was, the test of a NT prophet is tied up in the NT mission. We are called to the ministry of reconciliation. A true NT prophet will speak words of reconciliation, not of words of condemnation. The OT is the ministry of death by the law. It is full of condemnation. Sometimes NT ministers get off into the wrong ministration. We are supposed to be ministering reconciliation, not condemnation. I think old BH just got off into the wrong testament.
Even there... it is not the false prediction that is the real problem. People make mistakes and this is likely one of them. The real problem is the ministry
of condemnation that is coming out.

[MikeMcK]

Yes, he is false for both his prophecies and for his false teachings.

False prophecy is still condemned in the NT.

[Blackhawk]

Benny claims to be a prophet because he claims that he has had revelations. He claims to be a prophet because he states God told him that such and such will happen in the future. Oh and BTW every pastor is a prophet also. But not in the way Benny is claiming. And yes speaking that God said something false is condemmed in the OT and the NT.

[Foundthelight]

YES

Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[didaskalos]

Yes, he is false for both his prophecies and for his false teachings.

False prophecy is still condemned in the NT.



And yes speaking that God said something false is condemmed in the OT and the NT..


Thanks for the opinions guys.

(I could not help but notice there was no supporting scripture...)

:wave:

[MikeMcK]

Thanks for the opinions guys.

(I could not help but notice there was no supporting scripture...)

And it's wasn't lost on us that you didn't bother to show any scripture to demonstrate your claim that false prophecy is somehow acceptable in the NT because, as you said, "people make mistakes".

[Lotar]

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world

[didaskalos]

And it's wasn't lost on us that you didn't bother to show any scripture to demonstrate your claim that false prophecy is somehow acceptable in the NT because, as you said, "people make mistakes".Whoa bro! I never said "false prophesy is acceptable."

What I said was that making mistakes does not make you a false prophet.

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world

Thanks Lotar, 1 John is one of my favorite books.

Let's look at the context of this quote, ok?

1Jo 4

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Ahhh!! Look at that! Is this Benny Hinn? Does he deny that Jesus is come in the flesh? Does he deny that Jesus died for our sins or that God raised Him from the dead. According to the full quote, you would have to deny Christ came in the flesh to be a NT false prophet. As much as we may not like Benny... this could not apply to him... could it?
I really do not know enough about BH to say yea or nea... but based on what I have heard here so far... all I can say about him is that he is a badly mistaken believer.

[MikeMcK]

Whoa bro! I never said "false prophesy is acceptable."

What I said was that making mistakes does not make you a false prophet.

That's exactly what you said by trying to excuse Benny Hinn and his false prophecies.

[Lotar]

Benny Hinn fakes healings and prophesies to get as much money out of people as possible. He is a false prophet, and he shall surely pay on judgement day.

[didaskalos]

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That's exactly what you said by trying to excuse Benny Hinn and his false prophecies.

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Well.... I think I know what I am saying, and I am in no way excusing anyone for making mistakes. We all do. I do think we should verify what we are saying before we say it. If he is a new testament false prophet, lets use scripture to prove it and not just make accusations.

[didaskalos]

Benny Hinn fakes healings and prophesies to get as much money out of people as possible. He is a false prophet, and he shall surely pay on judgement day.
If he is wrong.. he will pay on judgement day, just as we all will for doing wrong. But if you will take the time to read the NT says about false prophets, you will find it is impossible for a believer be a false prophet. All NT false prophets are unbelievers who are masking themselves as believers. That is the definition of a NT false prophet. If you have proof that BH is not a believer, then you very well may be correct in your judging him. If you are wrong, then you no better then he, and you also will be facing loss on judgment day. If he is a believer, then the worse you can say about him is that he is blaspheming, or sinning in some way such as lying or whatever. He is in trouble for sure... but that does not make him a false prophet by NT definition.

We need to be careful how we toss judgment around. We need to be sure what we are talking about before we make such statements.

[Lotar]

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Ezek 13:2 [NIV] "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: 'Hear the word of the LORD!
Ezek 13:3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!
Ezek 13:4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins.
Ezek 13:5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD.
Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The LORD declares," when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.
Ezek 13:7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, "The LORD declares," though I have not spoken?
Ezek 13:8 "'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Ezek 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

Not NT, but applicable

[Lotar]

Matthew 7: 15-23

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Lotar]

"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!"Benny Hinn

[MikeMcK]

Well.... I think I know what I am saying, and I am in no way excusing anyone for making mistakes.
The whole message of your post is that he shouldn't be considered a false prophet because everyone "makes mistakes".

If he is a new testament false prophet, lets use scripture to prove it and not just make accusations.
You still haven't demonstrated that a "new Testament false prophet" is any less a false prophet than an "Old Testament false prophet" or that there even is a difference.

You keep telling us to use scripture but you're the one making the claim so it's up to you to demonstrate it and you're not even using scipture.

There is no difference. The standard is still 100% accuracy.

Hinn fails the test because his prophecies have not come true. He is mocking God to say that these things come from God when they don't.

He also fails the test in his teachings. He's a false teacher. Why any CHristian would listen to this guy, much less defend him, is beyond me.

[Lotar]

"I believe -- here this, hear this! I believe, that JESUS, GOD’S SON, IS ABOUT TO APPEAR PHYSICALLY, IN MEETINGS AND TO BELIEVERS AROUND THE WORLD, to wake us up! He appeared after His resurrection and He is about to appear before His second coming!" (Benny Hinn, "This Is Your Day," April 2, 2000).

"And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect" (Mark 13:21,22).

[didaskalos]

Not NT, but applicableWell... welll not NT anyways.

[didaskalos]

Matthew 7: 15-23



15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Another of my favorites!
Just a couple observations about these false prophets.
1. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, and not actually sheep.
2. Jesus said He never knew them, regardless of what their claims are on the day of judgment.

Therefore, these false prophets were not believers.

[Lotar]

Another of my favorites!
Just a couple observations about these false prophets.
1. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, and not actually sheep.
2. Jesus said He never knew them, regardless of what their claims are on the day of judgment.

Therefore, these false prophets were not believers.
Of course not. Benny Hinn is not a believer, but a false prophet.

[didaskalos]

You keep telling us to use scripture but you're the one making the claim so it's up to you to demonstrate it and you're not even using scipture...I am not the one calling people false prophets. I don't really have to prove anything. The meat of what I am saying is that the NT false prophets are always unbelievers.
That is all. If BH claims to be a prophet, (and no-one has yet shown that he has), then the only way he could be a false prophet is by being an unbeleiver.
Can we prove this by facts? Has he denied Jesus? Has he said that Jesus has not come in the flesh or has not risen from the dead. If he has, then he indeed is a false prophet.
Ok?

[didaskalos]

Of course not. Benny Hinn is not a believer, but a false prophet.
Well, if you are right... then he is a false prophet!




(if you are right....)

[1John5:3]

Benny Hinn Set Prophetic Dates in 2003
And Both Have Failed!

http://biblelight.net/benny_hinn_sets_prophetic_dates.htm

[didaskalos]

"I believe -- here this, hear this! I believe, that JESUS, GOD’S SON, IS ABOUT TO APPEAR PHYSICALLY, IN MEETINGS AND TO BELIEVERS AROUND THE WORLD, to wake us up! He appeared after His resurrection and He is about to appear before His second coming!" (Benny Hinn, "This Is Your Day," April 2, 2000).

"And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect" (Mark 13:21,22).Really no need to yell brother. We are just having a friendly discussion. :wave:

But this is the closest we have come to actually proving whether he is a false prophet or not. I'm not so sure that BH is doing what this scripture is warning us about. I mean, he is not really saying he is a false christ or claiming that Christ is returned is he. He is saying that Jesus (the real Jesus, not a false Christ) is going to show up at meanings. You are likely correct that this is false. But still I think he is just, for whatever reason, mistaken. Maybe he is demented. Who knows. But given the NT definition of a false prophet... he would first have to be an unbeliever. And beyond that, he would have to try and persuade others away from Christ with his preaching. He would have to be saying things like "Jesus is not Lord" or "Jesus did not raise from the dead." To my knowledge (and again, I do not know... I have only briefly heard him while channel surfing), he does not try and turn people away from Jesus. Have you heard him say these things? If so, then you are correct. He is a false prophet.

Thanks for the discussion!

[Blackhawk]

Thanks for the opinions guys.

(I could not help but notice there was no supporting scripture...)

:wave:
Does there really need to be? The whole Bible is very much against false prophets that it is clear. It is almost like asking for supporting scripture for the statement that God hates sin.

And opinions are not bad if based upon God's word.

[Foundthelight]

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, then it is a duck. This man may come in the Lords name, but he is not from the Lord.
His prophecies are not true, his signs and wonders are false.

We have no right to judge those outside the church. We are commanded to correct those in the church who are sinning or in error. Ultimately we are commanded to cast the unrepentent out of fellowship.

Perhaps all who feel that he is in error should e-mail him with their concern. Let us see how he answers.

[Blackhawk]

What I said was that making mistakes does not make you a false prophet.




Yes it does. See prophecy is not like having an opinion about something. it is not believing that one has correctly interpretted scripture. Direct inspiration can't be wrong or one is a false prophet. See it is not that I believe this is what God said. No it is "This is God's word itself." So yes errors in this case would mean that he is a false prophet.

[Blackhawk]

Well.... I think I know what I am saying, and I am in no way excusing anyone for making mistakes. We all do. I do think we should verify what we are saying before we say it. If he is a new testament false prophet, lets use scripture to prove it and not just make accusations.
But again there is a difference then I make mistakes and saying "Thus saith the Lord" and it being wrong. The two are miles apart.

[Blackhawk]

I am not the one calling people false prophets. I don't really have to prove anything.
ACtually you do since you made the positive claim that false prophets in the NT are not the same as false prophets in the OT. That is a positive claim and you have give evidence to support that claim if called upon to do so. IF not then it is an unsupported claim. But no you do not have to prove that he is not a false prophet.

[MikeMcK]

I am not the one calling people false prophets. I don't really have to prove anything. The meat of what I am saying is that the NT false prophets are always unbelievers.
That is all. If BH claims to be a prophet, (and no-one has yet shown that he has), then the only way he could be a false prophet is by being an unbeleiver.
Do you know what a fallacy of false corelation is?

You haven't demonstrated that the NT teaches that the only way that someone can be a false prophet is to be an unbeliever and that is the crux of your argument.

BH has made himself a prophet by claiming that his predictions were divinely inspired and a product of direct revelation for him to share. Whether he has claimed to be one or not, he has made himself a prophet by prophesying.

Given what the Bible says about those who abide not in the doctrine of Christ, Hinn's teachings on the atonement, his teachings on the nature of Christ, and his teachings on the nature of man, one wonders if he is a Christian.


Can we prove this by facts? Has he denied Jesus? Has he said that Jesus has not come in the flesh or has not risen from the dead.He has denied the suffiency of Christ's atonement. That makes him a false teacher.

[MikeMcK]

I am not the one calling people false prophets.
No, you're the one claiming that NT requirements for prophets are different from OT requirements for prophets, which you haven't demonstrated.

I don't really have to prove anything.
So, in other words, you're taking your ball and going home.

THen I guess that's the end of this conversation.

The meat of what I am saying is that the NT false prophets are always unbelievers.
And you still haven't demonstrated this.

the only way he could be a false prophet is by being an unbeleiver.
Or by prophesying falsely.

Can we prove this by facts? Has he denied Jesus? Has he said that Jesus has not come in the flesh or has not risen from the dead. If he has, then he indeed is a false prophet.
He has denied the suffiency of Christ's atonement on the cross.

[Rising_Suns]

I just have a quick question brothers and sisters,
regardless of whether he is a false prophet or not, do you think some people are still being healed by God through his ministry?

[Lotar]

I just have a quick question brothers and sisters,
regardless of whether he is a false prophet or not, do you think some people are still being healed by God through his ministry?
No, it's been proved that he fakes the healings.

[Rising_Suns]

No, it's been proved that he fakes the healings.I often wondered how they were faked. Do you mean, they are all actors that get up on stage? Could you provide evidence to quench my curiosity?

I only ask this, because we all know that God can use even misguided people to do work through. Just read 1st romans....in any case, I was just wondering if it could be possible that some of those people were in fact ill and have in fact been healed, though alot probably were not. your thoughts?

[Lotar]

I often wondered how they were faked. Do you mean, they are all actors that get up on stage? Could you provide evidence to quench my curiosity?

I only ask this, because we all know that God can use even misguided people to do work through. Just read 1st romans....in any case, I was just wondering if it could be possible that some of those people were in fact ill and have in fact been healed, though alot probably were not. your thoughts?
There have been some people who the doctors believed that were never sick in the first place. Then there are a lot of people who thought they were healed when they never were, including some who have died from tumors and cancer.

There have been specials on this subject on 20/20 and HBO. He has all the christian watchdog groups after him. Search him in Google and you'll get tons of stuff.

[Andrew]

If you want to live long and see good days, its best you quit judging and condeming other people.

1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile :P

Brother Hagin and the Copelands have refused to answer their critics. They let God handle their accusers and just faithfully do what they've been called to, after all, at the end of the day, they answer to God, not their critics.

I hope Benny Hinn will do the same. And those who support Benny Hinn and the other WOF people should do likewise too, and just let these self-appointed church policemen 'die' a natural death.

[Blackhawk]

If you want to live long and see good days, its best you quit judging and condeming other people.

1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile :P

Brother Hagin and the Copelands have refused to answer their critics. They let God handle their accusers and just faithfully do what they've been called to, after all, at the end of the day, they answer to God, not their critics.

I hope Benny Hinn will do the same. And those who support Benny Hinn and the other WOF people should do likewise too, and just let these self-appointed church policemen 'die' a natural death.
Well I am glad Paul spoke his mind and was a church policeman. If he had not then maybe we would all be living by the letter of the law.

[MikeMcK]

I just have a quick question brothers and sisters,
regardless of whether he is a false prophet or not, do you think some people are still being healed by God through his ministry?
Two ministries, The Trinity Foundation and the Christian Research Intstitute have challenged Hinn to submit his "three best healings" for medical scrutiny.

In the case of CRI, all three were debunked. In the case of the Trinity Foundation, he submitted five Four were debunked and one was inconclusive.

It's a common tactic for a faith healer to to pack his audience with "plants", that is, actors paid by Hinn to pretend to be sick and Hinn has been found to have done the same thing.

Of those who were legitimate, two have died after Hinn claimed to have healed them.

[Rising_Suns]

how do you know they were debunked? Do you realize that I just can't your word for it?

[Andrew]

Well I am glad Paul spoke his mind and was a church policeman. If he had not then maybe we would all be living by the letter of the law.

That would make Paul the biggest worker of the flesh. He spoke by the Spirit, not his mind (which is what heresy hunters motivated by jealousy and hate do). He corrected and rebuked those who were trying to introduce law into grace and pervert the grace message. He was not correcting and rebuking fellow Christians for having big and successful healing ministries. And by the way, who appointed you and called you to be the watchdog?

It's a common tactic for a faith healer to to pack his audience with "plants", that is, actors paid by Hinn to pretend to be sick and Hinn has been found to have done the same thing.

I'm sure the pharisees said the same thing about Jesus.

[Lanakila]

You are comparing Benny Hinn's healings with those of Jesus?

[MikeMcK]

how do you know they were debunked?Because the reports of the findings were published. I would also add that two of Hinn's followers died after having been pronounced healed by him. I'd say that right there is a pretty good debunking.

There's an excellent book called "The Confusing World of Benny Hinn" that goes over his teaching and shenanigans and cirtiques them in light of scripture and interviews with those who know Benny. These things are discussed in detail here.

Do you realize that I just can't your word for it?But you'll take Hinn's word (a proven liar) for it?

[Godzman]

Benny Hinn needs to come to the throne of God and seek forgiveness

[BarbB]

I went to Israel last December with Pastor Jack Hayford to set up 4 altars and pray for Israel. We had 70 committed Christians of all stripes on the trip. Benny Hinn's tour followed ours by a day or two. His crowd was 500+ and was split into 4 hotels. He, himself, stayed at the King David. His crowd acted as though they were at a circus sideshow, even when he wasn't with them. Ours was wonderfully prayerful, educational, playful and prophetic. Guess who had the better time - ME and my group! It was fantastic. :clap:

The only good that I can see that Benny does is that he gets 2,000 people per year to spend $$$ in Israel.

[Blackhawk]

That would make Paul the biggest worker of the flesh. He spoke by the Spirit, not his mind (which is what heresy hunters motivated by jealousy and hate do).
No God uses men and their minds which are touched and influenced by the spirit to do his will most of the time. Paul was using his mind when he wrote the epistles and when he taught. God uses our abilities when they are conformed to his will. He does not override us.


He corrected and rebuked those who were trying to introduce law into grace and pervert the grace message. He was not correcting and rebuking fellow Christians for having big and successful healing ministries. And by the way, who appointed you and called you to be the watchdog?
First my point is that Paul fought against heresies and false teachings in the church. He fought against them and taught others to do so also.

And who appointed me the watchdog? Well my short answer would be Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John. And that is just in the NT alone. There are much more examples in the OT.


Matt 7:15
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
(NAU)
Matt 24:11-14
11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
12 "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
(NAU)
Matt 24:24-26
24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 "Behold, I have told you in advance.
26 "So if they say to you, "Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, {or} "Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe {them.}
(NAU)
Phil 3:2-3
2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the {true} circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,
(NAU)
2 Pet 2:1-3
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
3 and in {their} greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
(NAU)
I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
(NAU)
Rev 2:1-2
1 "To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: the One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:
2 "I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them {to be} false;
(NAU)




I'm sure the pharisees said the same thing about Jesus.
This is not a good rebuttal because anyone could just say that some probably said the same things about Mohammed or Buddha or whoever. It only states that some will disbelieve and fight against the some who believe. It does not show why Benny is right or if he is right. Basically it is a logical fallacy and not a real rebuttal at all.

[Duggie]

I have read "the confusing world of BH", A different Gospel and read articles on the CRI site. I have also seen the documentary exposing BH healing claims, however we need to be very careful when taking quotes from specific apologetic web sites and automatically attributing them to certain ministers. I also have "issues" with Benny Hinn, but they are based solely upon what I have heard him say and not what others have claimed he has said. Is he a false prophet? I have never watched his show long enough to hear him give prophecies so who am I to suggest he is. Having said that I have read his book Good Morning HolySpirit and that was evidence enough for me to avoid the teachings of BH. Peace

[gailmac]

Amen Lotar! Why would a real believer be speaking for God continually and it not happen?

[gailmac]

Really no need to yell brother. We are just having a friendly discussion. :wave:

But this is the closest we have come to actually proving whether he is a false prophet or not. I'm not so sure that BH is doing what this scripture is warning us about. I mean, he is not really saying he is a false christ or claiming that Christ is returned is he. He is saying that Jesus (the real Jesus, not a false Christ) is going to show up at meanings. You are likely correct that this is false. But still I think he is just, for whatever reason, mistaken. Maybe he is demented. Who knows. But given the NT definition of a false prophet... he would first have to be an unbeliever. And beyond that, he would have to try and persuade others away from Christ with his preaching. He would have to be saying things like "Jesus is not Lord" or "Jesus did not raise from the dead." To my knowledge (and again, I do not know... I have only briefly heard him while channel surfing), he does not try and turn people away from Jesus. Have you heard him say these things? If so, then you are correct. He is a false prophet.

Thanks for the discussion!
What do you think a wolf is going to look like in sheeps clothing? If they look like a wolf, we would know to stay away. These false people will look like sheep and act like sheep right?

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe we have wolves in sheeps clothing today? If so, who are they?

[gailmac]

I just have a quick question brothers and sisters,
regardless of whether he is a false prophet or not, do you think some people are still being healed by God through his ministry?
People claim to have healings in many different religions/beliefs...so what is your point?

If healings still occur when the anti-christ is here, would you be saying the same thing to those being deceived by him?

[gailmac]

You are comparing Benny Hinn's healings with those of Jesus?
Amen! Please name one healing ( all of you Hinn followers) in the bible that has reversed. Benny has claimed people are healed of Aids (I have it on video) and then they died a few weeks later. Benny "claims" he never tells people they are healed...LIE You guys should purchase the Benny Hinn videos out there...you will never trust the lying thief again. He is caught time and time again lying and you see Hinn say one thing, then they catch him doing another.

I also have Hinn and Steve Broch sharing a water pipe (which Hinns employee died of heroin a few weeks later after the taping). Then Steve blows the smoke out like he is having the time of his life. Hinn is wearing glasses trying to disguise himself.

Then you see Hinn's wife preaching and says "you need a holy ghost enema right up your rear end" boy that's edifying.

You wouldn't believe what you see on this. I have NEVER seen Billy Graham behave in this manner.

[didaskalos]

What do you think a wolf is going to look like in sheeps clothing? If they look like a wolf, we would know to stay away. These false people will look like sheep and act like sheep right? They look like sheep but they deny the gospel, they deny that Jesus is come in the flesh, that He rose form the dead etc... IOWs anything that would tell you not be believe and be saved. They are not saved themselves and openly teach and deny the gospel and the faith. Jesus said about these people "I never knew you" meaning at no time were they ever saved or born again. They are unbelievers.

Let me ask you a question. Do you believe we have wolves in sheeps clothing today? If so, who are they?Yes. They are people who are in pulpits and are teachers who tell us we do not have to believe in Jesus, that Jesus never existed, never died for our sins, was not God, never rose from the dead and is not sitting at the right hand of the Father. They are unbelievers who teach against the gospel.

[gailmac]

They look like sheep but they deny the gospel, they deny that Jesus is come in the flesh, that He rose form the dead etc... IOWs anything that would tell you not be believe and be saved. They are not saved themselves and openly teach and deny the gospel and the faith. Jesus said about these people "I never knew you" meaning at no time were they ever saved or born again. They are unbelievers.

Yes. They are people who are in pulpits and are teachers who tell us we do not have to believe in Jesus, that Jesus never existed, never died for our sins, was not God, never rose from the dead and is not sitting at the right hand of the Father. They are unbelievers who teach against the gospel.
Wait just a second here. What is a sheep to you? A sheep is a believer right? So, what does a Sheep in wolves clothing look like? You described a wolf in wolves clothing.

[gailmac]

They look like sheep but they deny the gospel, they deny that Jesus is come in the flesh, that He rose form the dead etc... IOWs anything that would tell you not be believe and be saved. They are not saved themselves and openly teach and deny the gospel and the faith. Jesus said about these people "I never knew you" meaning at no time were they ever saved or born again. They are unbelievers.

Yes. They are people who are in pulpits and are teachers who tell us we do not have to believe in Jesus, that Jesus never existed, never died for our sins, was not God, never rose from the dead and is not sitting at the right hand of the Father. They are unbelievers who teach against the gospel.
Benny says Lord Lord and impersonates a true shepard...yet his fruit is evil. He charges people for healings.... he advertises "This is your day" for a miracle, which gives false hope... he lives a richer life than those who give money to him...he claims people are healed, then they die...he lies time and time again...he practices necromancy....he makes false claims "under the anointing".... he has said he is a little god....

yet he stands up there looking like one of us...but behind the scenes his fruit is rotten.

[JEREMY O'ROURKE]

I really do not because many times he is so sound in what he believes. Only God knows I at times have had the same question but look at the times that he wins alot of souls to God. He is just a normal man who makes mistakes. There is no nail prints in his hands or feet. I have seen him get off at times but he still is used by God.

[MikeMcK]

They look like sheep but they deny the gospel, they deny that Jesus is come in the flesh, that He rose form the dead etc... IOWs anything that would tell you not be believe and be saved. They are not saved themselves and openly teach and deny the gospel and the faith. Jesus said about these people "I never knew you" meaning at no time were they ever saved or born again. They are unbelievers.

Yes. They are people who are in pulpits and are teachers who tell us we do not have to believe in Jesus, that Jesus never existed, never died for our sins, was not God, never rose from the dead and is not sitting at the right hand of the Father. They are unbelievers who teach against the gospel.
I agree with you. I would add, in addition to denying that Jesus rose from the dead and that He came in the flesh, that they also deny the sufficiency of His atonement on the cross and teach that men are gods, just like the WoF false teachers do.

[MikeMcK]

Benny says Lord Lord and impersonates a true shepard...yet his fruit is evil....he lies time and time again...
This is something that I'm always surprised his followers ignore. It's been demonstrated that he lied in his book, "Good Morning Holy Spirit" when he claimed that his father was the mayor of Jaffa, Israel. His father was never mayor.

It's also been demonstrated that he lied about the story he told about the healing show, er, "service" he held in a Sault St. Marie hospital in which his "annointing" was so strong that, not only were all of the patients healed but even people who just happened to be walking by on the street.

There's just one small problem with his story: when interviewed, no one at the hospital had even heard of him. This is especially unusaly, since this is a Catholic hospital and "Benny Jehovah" would have needed special permission, not only from the hospital admin but the bishop who oversaw the hospital. No one involved had even heard of him!

My favorite lie was the one about god miraculously cancelling a hockey game between the Florida Panthers and my beloved Flyers for Benny so that he could use the arena put on a show. Just like the last example, there's one small problem: according to the NHL, there was no game scheduled in the first place that night between those two teams in that arena.


...he practices necromancy....
This is another one. Not only is this an abomination to God, if you were hanging around someone's grave hoping that their "annointing" would rub off, wouldn't you pick someone like Johnathan Edwards or C.H. Spurgeon or one of the Wesleys, rather than two women, both of whom were false teachers, one of whom was also a crook who carried on a series of adulterous affairs and backstreet abortions before her mysterious "death", which evidence suggests may have been faked to avoid a prison sentence?

...he has said he is a little god....
"I am a little Messiah walking the Earth. In fact, you can just call me Benny Jehovah" - Benny Hinn

...but behind the scenes his fruit is rotten...[/QUOTE]
Agreed, but he sure has them fooled, doesn't he?

[gailmac]

I just have a quick question brothers and sisters,
regardless of whether he is a false prophet or not, do you think some people are still being healed by God through his ministry?Again, there is not one proven healing that came from Benny Hinns crusade. And if you are one of them or someone you know, I would love to examine the history and physical and then see the doctors comments. Remember, even non christians can hype themselves up for a healing.

I am not saying God won't and doesn't heal...but I do not believe he will use Benny Hinn at all!

[gailmac]

I often wondered how they were faked. Do you mean, they are all actors that get up on stage? Could you provide evidence to quench my curiosity?

I only ask this, because we all know that God can use even misguided people to do work through. Just read 1st romans....in any case, I was just wondering if it could be possible that some of those people were in fact ill and have in fact been healed, though alot probably were not. your thoughts?
Misguided and false are two separate categories.

[gailmac]

If you want to live long and see good days, its best you quit judging and condeming other people.

1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile :P

Brother Hagin and the Copelands have refused to answer their critics. They let God handle their accusers and just faithfully do what they've been called to, after all, at the end of the day, they answer to God, not their critics.

I hope Benny Hinn will do the same. And those who support Benny Hinn and the other WOF people should do likewise too, and just let these self-appointed church policemen 'die' a natural death.
And what about those poor people who gave their last penny to Benny because Benny told them they would be healed....then they go home and die. They never judged him and they didn't have a long life....so, I wouldn't say it that way. Plus, we are not judging Benny's hair style, we are judging doctrine....as we are supposed to.

Did you know Benny has a history of heart troubles? Does he judge too?

[gailmac]

how do you know they were debunked? Do you realize that I just can't your word for it?
Because they say they were debunked. My dad thought he was healed when at Benny's crusade, then soon after had a heart attack. Believe me or not, I saw the EKG after he went.

[gailmac]

I really do not because many times he is so sound in what he believes. Only God knows I at times have had the same question but look at the times that he wins alot of souls to God. He is just a normal man who makes mistakes. There is no nail prints in his hands or feet. I have seen him get off at times but he still is used by God.
If people are searching for God, He will find them no matter where they are at. But, I do not believe he would use a False prophet. If someone is in a bar, would you give the bartender credit if they happen to accept Christ that night? I think the Holy Spirit only deserves the Glory.

[JEREMY O'ROURKE]

If people are searching for God, He will find them no matter where they are at. But, I do not believe he would use a False prophet. If someone is in a bar, would you give the bartender credit if they happen to accept Christ that night? I think the Holy Spirit only deserves the Glory. If you ever watch Benny Hinn he always gives God the glory for what happens. In your belief is a person that is not perfect considered a false prophet? I dont understand please help me here. Benny Hinn is not in a bar room.

[gailmac]

If you ever watch Benny Hinn he always gives God the glory for what happens. In your belief is a person that is not perfect considered a false prophet? I dont understand please help me here. Benny Hinn is not in a bar room.
Mormons believe that all healing ultimately comes from God. They believe that the physician using good medicine is utilizing knowledge which God has revealed to man for his benefit. They also believe in charismatic, or faith, healing from God. Yet, do we still witness to them as non believers?

None of us are perfect, that is the truth and we are sinners, yes.... BUT if you speak for the Almighty God and say "God told me to tell you under the anointing" this or that...then gains money from it, lies, etc. and goes home richer than the poor person unhealed who just gave their last cent....YOU bet I would consider that person false.

No Benny is not in a Bar room. My point was that just because someone were to get saved in a Bar, does that mean we have to keep the bar open just because a good thing happend there?

[Duggie]

Many people who go to Benny Hinn crusades are genuinely expecting to be healed. The problem is the fact that they look to BH as their source of healing. For many of them BH is their healer and not God. They have this eager expectation of him to heal their bodies and ultimately because of this many of them don't get healed. To his credit BH has said that God is their healer and that he is just a vessel that God works through. Whether or not you believe him is up to you.

[gailmac]

Many people who go to Benny Hinn crusades are genuinely expecting to be healed. The problem is the fact that they look to BH as their source of healing. For many of them BH is their healer and not God. They have this eager expectation of him to heal their bodies and ultimately because of this many of them don't get healed. To his credit BH has said that God is their healer and that he is just a vessel that God works through. Whether or not you believe him is up to you.
Do you think it's any wonder people think they need to be right next to Benny for a healing? He tells them to touch his hands on the TV screen for their healing. How misleading is that? People only believe it is Benny who is the healer because he has mislead them to think somehow some power comes from him. Would he ever admit that? Are you kidding?

And when he says "come join me on .....night and receive your healing"

Don't you think people start assuming that his building is the hot spot for healings? Have you ever heard Benny say "Stay home, you don't need to be at my crusade" it's always how they must be there with him.

It is a sick and twisted belief in our Lord Jesus.

[MikeMcK]

Benny Hinn needs to come to the throne of God and seek forgiveness
I agree. One of the most troubling things he does is that he has "renounced" some of his teachings a couple of times when pressed, only to take them up again once the heat was off. He needs to repent once and for all and make up his mind whether or not he's going to follow Christ or what the Bible calls "vain imaginations".

[Icystwolf]

Benny Hinn, on T.V goes to show that the media like portraying false doctrine, as with any other issues to do with church.

It interests me to think that one person is all it takes to pull down a large number of people...now thats scary

[Grace_Alone4gives]

Originally Posted by: Andrew If you want to live long and see good days, its best you quit judging and condeming other people.

1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile

Brother Hagin and the Copelands have refused to answer their critics. They let God handle their accusers and just faithfully do what they've been called to, after all, at the end of the day, they answer to God, not their critics.

I hope Benny Hinn will do the same. And those who support Benny Hinn and the other WOF people should do likewise too, and just let these self-appointed church policemen 'die' a natural death.:rolleyes: here we go again Andrew.

Originally Posted by: gailmac And what about those poor people who gave their last penny to Benny because Benny told them they would be healed....then they go home and die.
Oh, didn't you know...those people didn't have enough faith for their healing!

If someone is in a bar, would you give the bartender credit if they happen to accept Christ that night? I think the Holy Spirit only deserves the Glory.
Amen - no one deserved the Glory but God.

[Yitzchak]

Well I am glad Paul spoke his mind and was a church policeman. If he had not then maybe we would all be living by the letter of the law.
Wasn't Paul speaking as an apostle ? What is the penalty for being a false apostle , I wonder? If being a false prophet carries a death penalty?
I trust that Paul was indeed a true apostle. I am also very thankful for the gift of church government which the Lord gave to His church.
As has already been quite clearly stated on this thread. It is one thing to offer an opinion, and quite another to speak for the Lord.
One lesson to learn from all of this, in my opinion, is that we all need to be very careful to not be hasty in speaking for the Lord. Whether we use "thus saith the Lord" or disguise our thus saith the Lord with bible verses.
The title of this thread is "does God's word consider benny Hinn false?", which I find quite ironic since the chief complaint leveled against Benny Hinn is that he claims to speak for God but doesn't. The key part of the phrase being "does God's word " .
I trust none here are disputing that the bible is indeed true prophecy? I guess my question in all of this is concerning the use of God's word. If someone uses the bible incorrectly, does that make them a false prophet?? Since they are claiming to speak for God, yet leading people astray?? So then if I use the bible to judge someone as a false teacher, am I under the same standards when it comes to the need to always be right?? Since it is not just my opinion being offered, but rather I am indeed claiming to speak for God Himself.
My opinion is that we all need a good dose of the fear of the Lord to be more careful of how we speak for God.

[thereselittleflower]

I am not going to make any judgement on or of Benny Hinn . . . but I want to share what happened to me.

I fell and broke my elbow about 6-7 years ago - I had a compound fracture of the head of the radial bone .. which means it was broken off and pushed down into the rest of the bone . . I was not given a good prognosis, and only about a 50-50 chance of it hearing correctly if I had surgery . .

I opted for the surgery . . and I began to slowly heal, but something happened, and the healing process arrested and I had constant pain from my shoulder to my finger tips . . and I could only open my arm half way, and could only use it in very limited ways . .this went on for a couple of months, and I was beginning to resign myself to the fact that my arm would not completely heal, and I would have a mostly useless and painful arm.

I found TBN, and I found Benny Hinn's show . . I did not believe it for a second .. I found much wrong with it. But as I watched, I realized that some of what I was seeing may be true . .then finally, I saw somthing that was either totally faked, or totally real . .a young boy hearing without external ears.

So I asked God to show me . .the very next day, my questions were answered, and my faith was released, and when they began the worship segment of the show, I got caught up in worship . . and God's presence descended in my living room, and that began a mountaintop expreience like nothing I had dared dream of, and yes, healing began immediately in my elbow . . I had most of the use back instantly, the pain from my shoulder to my fingers stopped, and I had the normal sensations of discomfort only in my elbow now.

I received the rest of my healing in increments. . sudden, instant changes, thruogh watching his show.

I sitll have my full healing today, years later . .


I will not pass judgement on him . . I will not say he is right or wrong in those things which so many have issues with. I know God used him in my life. I have the proof of it with me every day.


I think we need more people praying for him instead . . .



Peace in Him!

[MikeMcK]

I think we need more people praying for him instead . . .
I agree. I'm praying for him to repent.

[Cary.Melvin]

I am not going to make any judgement on or of Benny Hinn . . . but I want to share what happened to me.

I fell and broke my elbow about 6-7 years ago - I had a compound fracture of the head of the radial bone .. which means it was broken off and pushed down into the rest of the bone . . I was not given a good prognosis, and only about a 50-50 chance of it hearing correctly if I had surgery . .

I opted for the surgery . . and I began to slowly heal, but something happened, and the healing process arrested and I had constant pain from my shoulder to my finger tips . . and I could only open my arm half way, and could only use it in very limited ways . .this went on for a couple of months, and I was beginning to resign myself to the fact that my arm would not completely heal, and I would have a mostly useless and painful arm.

I found TBN, and I found Benny Hinn's show . . I did not believe it for a second .. I found much wrong with it. But as I watched, I realized that some of what I was seeing may be true . .then finally, I saw somthing that was either totally faked, or totally real . .a young boy hearing without external ears.

So I asked God to show me . .the very next day, my questions were answered, and my faith was released, and when they began the worship segment of the show, I got caught up in worship . . and God's presence descended in my living room, and that began a mountaintop expreience like nothing I had dared dream of, and yes, healing began immediately in my elbow . . I had most of the use back instantly, the pain from my shoulder to my fingers stopped, and I had the normal sensations of discomfort only in my elbow now.

I received the rest of my healing in increments. . sudden, instant changes, thruogh watching his show.

I sitll have my full healing today, years later . .


I will not pass judgement on him . . I will not say he is right or wrong in those things which so many have issues with. I know God used him in my life. I have the proof of it with me every day.


I think we need more people praying for him instead . . .



Peace in Him!
Praise God. That is an amazing story.

God can work through people in strange ways that we don't always understand. Benny Hinn may be one example of this. I cannot judge his personal motivations, only God can know that.

But you have to admit that his enthusiasm for God is infectious and I believe that he is bringing many people to belief in Christ.

We should all pray for Benny Hinn.

[Grace_Alone4gives]

I am not going to make any judgement on or of Benny Hinn . . . but I want to share what happened to me.

I fell and broke my elbow about 6-7 years ago - I had a compound fracture of the head of the radial bone .. which means it was broken off and pushed down into the rest of the bone . . I was not given a good prognosis, and only about a 50-50 chance of it hearing correctly if I had surgery . .

I opted for the surgery . . and I began to slowly heal, but something happened, and the healing process arrested and I had constant pain from my shoulder to my finger tips . . and I could only open my arm half way, and could only use it in very limited ways . .this went on for a couple of months, and I was beginning to resign myself to the fact that my arm would not completely heal, and I would have a mostly useless and painful arm.

I found TBN, and I found Benny Hinn's show . . I did not believe it for a second .. I found much wrong with it. But as I watched, I realized that some of what I was seeing may be true . .then finally, I saw somthing that was either totally faked, or totally real . .a young boy hearing without external ears.

So I asked God to show me . .the very next day, my questions were answered, and my faith was released, and when they began the worship segment of the show, I got caught up in worship . . and God's presence descended in my living room, and that began a mountaintop expreience like nothing I had dared dream of, and yes, healing began immediately in my elbow . . I had most of the use back instantly, the pain from my shoulder to my fingers stopped, and I had the normal sensations of discomfort only in my elbow now.

I received the rest of my healing in increments. . sudden, instant changes, thruogh watching his show.

I sitll have my full healing today, years later . .


I will not pass judgement on him . . I will not say he is right or wrong in those things which so many have issues with. I know God used him in my life. I have the proof of it with me every day.


I think we need more people praying for him instead . . .



Peace in Him!
Praise God for your Healing! That is Awesome! You realize, however, it was soley God - nothing to do with Mr. Hinn
I will pray for Benny.

[Smithgirl]

I heard that he said that women were meant to give birth out of their sides because this is were God took the rib from Adam to make Eve. Unbelievable! Sounds like he makes up whatever he wants to suit his purposes...and the sad thing is that many people are vulnerable to believe this garbage.

[thereselittleflower]

Praise God. That is an amazing story.

God can work through people in strange ways that we don't always understand. Benny Hinn may be one example of this. I cannot judge his personal motivations, only God can know that.

But you have to admit that his enthusiasm for God is infectious and I believe that he is bringing many people to belief in Christ.

We should all pray for Benny Hinn.
Hi Cary

I think that we expect that if God has annointed someone that that person must somehow know more than we do, or be a more perfect christian than we are, or not make mistakes in judgement or doctrine . . but that is not the case.

God's annointing on someone says nothing about that person's inward walk with God, or that they won't make mistakes . .

But just because they make mistakes, etc, that does not invalidate an annointing that may be upon them .




Peace in Him.

[thereselittleflower]

Praise God for your Healing! That is Awesome! You realize, however, it was soley God - nothing to do with Mr. Hinn
I will pray for Benny.
Yes, praise God for my healing!

There is more to this than I shared, things more important than my physical healing . .and God continued to use Benny Hinn in a significant way in my life at that time . . some I knew could not understand it . . .

I believe I was healed not inspite of Benny Hinn, but through God using him in my life .. that is all I can say . . I have not been following his ministry now for a few years, but even if I had, I would not speak against him here. He is a fallible human being just as we all are. Put any one of us in the lime light like he is and I don't think most of us would fair nearly half as well as he has. . .


In the end, it is God who will judge our hearts, not we each other's. . and I am thankful for this. So I will not judge his heart, but pray for him.:)

Peace in Him!

[america]

I am confused by the lady who stated "the only good thing he does is have 2000 people go to Israel and spend money" ???? that is a good thing?

I called his show and told them I was sending my last grocery money for my children and would I get a refund if I did not get my miracle in 7 days as I would need it to feed my children.
They sure were willing to take my money and the conversation went down hill from there.

[Godisincontrol]

I often wondered how they were faked. Do you mean, they are all actors that get up on stage? Could you provide evidence to quench my curiosity?

I only ask this, because we all know that God can use even misguided people to do work through. Just read 1st romans....in any case, I was just wondering if it could be possible that some of those people were in fact ill and have in fact been healed, though alot probably were not. your thoughts?
Actually I have a tape of a lady who faked MS healing and Benny kept broadcasting this (it was under investigation).