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Bananna
15th October 2007, 03:43 AM
The milestones of mental developement of the mind and the relationship to authority in the leadership of the church are important to me because Paul tells us that the young should not be made leaders.
I found this another of many interesting quotes I've read on the subject and just wanted to share them here.
While our sunday congregation has no firm age limit
Our Sabbath congregation agree no more men under 30 because of the level of understand, because of the family commitments or lack of self control being issues in the past.

These were mature men, who had one weakness and the pressures of leadership caused them to step down... none of them were asked to leave.

This is also emphasized by Maimonides' statement that "At the age of forty, Abraham recognized his Creator." There exist several accounts as to the year of Abraham's discovery. The Talmud states that Abraham recognized his Creator at age three; other sources cite his age at the time as 4; other as 50. Maimonides' source seems to be a variant version of the Midrash that states that he was 48t. As many commentaries suggest, there is no contradiction between these accounts -- each represents another level of recognition achieved by Abraham; indeed, Maimonides himself informs us that his quest began "soon after he was weaned, and he was but a small child." Why, then, does Maimonides choose to speak particularly of the recognition Abraham attained at age forty? Indeed, of what Halachic significance is Abraham's age at all? But Maimonides wishes to again underscore that Abraham's refutation of idolatry was a rational one. Forty is described by our sages as "the age of understanding" -- the point at which a person's cognitive powers attain full maturity. Thus, the level of discovery Abraham achieved at age forty represents his ultimate understanding of the divine truth.]

Bananna
15th October 2007, 04:01 AM
I forgot to give credit link
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article.htm/aid/2612/jewish/The-History-of-Monotheism.html

visionary
15th October 2007, 08:31 AM
Our group has not leaders, those who taken the eldership reluctantly are all over the age of 30. By chance or choice, ?? If you know of any MJ rabbi looking for a home, please PM me. By the way, they would have to be interested in moving to Montgomery, Alabama.

Bananna
15th October 2007, 01:45 PM
Sorry, I can't help there. We are still trying to get one to come to our congregations.

In some ways I like not having a Rabbi. We have more money to give to others to go to festivals in Israel. We have more variety in teaching and area of giftedness and focus.

Last week the elder preached a really good one on team effort and being an active part of the community by first reading bible daily to prepare and then serving were we can everyday.

My ideal would probably be hard to come by in this day in age. Pastor... pastoring, Elders teaching, deacons/deaconesses serving as workers around the church to make things happen and get taken care of and fixed.

Bananna

zaksmummy
16th October 2007, 09:32 AM
The church we've just recently returned to (after a gap of ten years)
lost its pastor last July (he quit). It is much better, the elders take it in turns to lead the service and most people participate.

Does a rabbi have a special function? Like in a Church of England church only a minister can administer the communion, does a Rabbi have parts of the service that only he can fulfil or can everyone participate?

Catrin xx

Bananna
16th October 2007, 01:24 PM
Well Rabbi means Teacher. I believe Elders to be overseers of education and there for Rabbi like... only they may also be elders. The Rabbi would be more on Judaic traditions IMO and prayers and such.

However a Pastor is not necessarily a Rabbi. Pastors guard and guide the flock. They are not necessarily the head elder and only teacher.

How it works today and how it was supposed to work is two different things I guess.
bananna

LadyGarnetRose
17th October 2007, 07:35 PM
Just as there should be no set age for accountibility, there should be no set age for reason.

I know 10 year olds with more wisdom than some 7 times their age.

Bananna
17th October 2007, 08:59 PM
The principal of age of reason is drawn from the Hebrew scriptures.

If Yeshua wasn't old enough till 30 then ought we not follow his example? Elijah was way older than that. Elisha also I understand, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.......