Do/Don't do unto others

[ChavaK]

Paraphrasing here.....
Jesus said do unto others as you would have them
do unto you.
Hillel said don't do unto others what you wouldn't
like done to you.

Are they saying the same thing? Or is there a
difference between the positive and the negative
statement?

[Henaynei]

they are essentially the same, except....

one can live a monastic existance in the desert and follow Hillel's instruction....

to follow Yeshua's instruction you must be part of a community

[GerTzedek]

I've heard people argue over this, splitting hairs over the differences.

To be honest, I believe that Yeshua was bet Hillel. He simply worded his old Rabbi's teaching a different way. That's my less than two cents worth.

[Bananna]

This statement is an ancient tradition in nummerous cultures and Judaism has several versions. It is considered a universal truth.

What is hateful to you, do not do to another.
Do unto others as you woule have them do unto you.

Here is a new twist.
Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

[TheRabbi]

they are essentially the same, except....

one can live a monastic existance in the desert and follow Hillel's instruction....

to follow Yeshua's instruction you must be part of a community
If that were true, it wouldn't have needed saying.

[visionary]

they are essentially the same, except....

one can live a monastic existance in the desert and follow Hillel's instruction....

to follow Yeshua's instruction you must be part of a communityHow to be observant without any personal pain. Avoidance is not good for spiritual growth.

[TheRabbi]

So we shouldn't avoid doing evil?

[visionary]

So we shouldn't avoid doing evil?social interaction avoidance is what I speak of.

[TheRabbi]

You won't find any Jewish hermitic monks. To separate "min Hatzibbur" is a very bad thing in Judaism. This is why Hillel also said "If I am not for myself, who will be? If I am only for myself, what am I?" This let's us know that Hillel didn't teach a monastic faith.

[GerTzedek]

Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.Sounds like a pickup line.

[Steve Petersen]

You won't find any Jewish hermitic monks. To separate "min Hatzibbur" is a very bad thing in Judaism. This is why Hillel also said "If I am not for myself, who will be? If I am only for myself, what am I?" This let's us know that Hillel didn't teach a monastic faith.

Not today, but certainly the Essenes would have qualified.

Hillel's statement could allow for a sort of benign neglect, though I am sure this is not what he intended. His life showed the opposite.

[Bananna]

Ah but if one does not like being neglected then they will not neglect others