Pesach : two sabbaths?

[Yitzchak]

I know it is not that time of year. But I have a question about Pesach and the holy convocations that are to occur on the first and seventh days. How is that co-ordinated with the regular weekly sabbath ? I am assuming that pesach faals on a different day of the week each year so are there two sabbaths for thiose two weeks?

Also I curious as to how this relates to the crucifiction and the passover that year. Was the sabbath following the crucifiction , the weekly sabbath or was it the pesach "sabbath"..... Also how were the jewish authorities of that day comfortable with Yeshua being tried on passover ?

[Henaynei]

Yeshua was sacrificed at the same time as the lambs for Pesakh were being sacrificed at the Temple.... this is not done DURING Pesakh, but in preperation for Pesakh, which did not start until sundown that day...


Luke 23:54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near

if you will recall, the Jews asked that the death of those executed that day be hastened so that they could be buried *before* the Sabbath (i.e. Pesakh) started... else the bodies would have had to hang there until the end of the following day ...

Yochanan 19
31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. 33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. 36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "Not one of His bones shall be broken." 37 And again another Scripture says, "They shall look on Him whom they pierced."

[TheRabbi]

It makes things easier to refer to Shabbat as Shabbat and Pesach as Pesach or Yom Tov. They are both Sabbaths in a sense, but very different. One may light fires (from an existing flame) and cook on Yom Tov. One may prepare things on Yom Tov for use after Yom Tov. None of these activities are permitted on Shabbat.

A Shabbat that falls in the intermediate days of Pesach or Sukkot is called Shabbat Chol Hamoed.

[Yitzchak]

Yeshua was sacrificed at the same time as the lambs for Pesakh were being sacrificed at the Temple.... this is not done DURING Pesakh, but in preperation for Pesakh, which did not start until sundown that day...


Luke 23:54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near

if you will recall, the Jews asked that the death of those executed that day be hastened so that they could be buried *before* the Sabbath (i.e. Pesakh) started... else the bodies would have had to hang there until the end of the following day ...

Yochanan 19
31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. 33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. 36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "Not one of His bones shall be broken." 37 And again another Scripture says, "They shall look on Him whom they pierced."

My confusion comes because the "last supper" the night before the crucifiction. I thought that began pesach ?

So was the day following the crucifiction both shabbat and the high day or was shabbat later that week ?

I thought that Yeshua was three days and nights in the grave. Since he raised either in the afternoon of shabbat or the night of the first day of the week , that makes friday not early enough.

What makes the three days woek seems to be wednesday afternoon followed by a high day thursday and then a preperation day friday for shabbat.

If Yeshua was crucified on friday afternoon and they rushed to get him into the tomb before the high day began then when did the women buy and prepare the spices which they had ready by early morning following shabbat ?

[Steve Petersen]

My confusion comes because the "last supper" the night before the crucifiction. I thought that began pesach ?

So was the day following the crucifiction both shabbat and the high day or was shabbat later that week ?

I thought that Yeshua was three days and nights in the grave. Since he raised either in the afternoon of shabbat or the night of the first day of the week , that makes friday not early enough.

What makes the three days woek seems to be wednesday afternoon followed by a high day thursday and then a preperation day friday for shabbat.

If Yeshua was crucified on friday afternoon and they rushed to get him into the tomb before the high day began then when did the women buy and prepare the spices which they had ready by early morning following shabbat ?

The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) differ from John. John seems to portray Jesus crucifixion on the same day as the Passover lamb; the synoptics on the day before.

[Yitzchak]

The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) differ from John. John seems to portray Jesus crucifixion on the same day as the Passover lamb; the synoptics on the day before.

So is the jewish tradition to have a seder the night before or for two nights before the lamb? I thought that the lamb was a a part of the seder?

Guess I'm a little unclear on the details of pesach.

[Steve Petersen]

So is the jewish tradition to have a seder the night before or for two nights before the lamb? I thought that the lamb was a a part of the seder?

Guess I'm a little unclear on the details of pesach.


It is hard to imagine it. The lambs had to be slaughtered in the Temple. I can't imagine the priests would slaughter the Passover a day or two before the prescribed time.

There were sects of Judaism that just dropped out of the whole Temple cult. The Essenes were one.

Then there are the majority of Jews who never were able to come to Jerusalem to sacrifice the Passover. They never ate the Passover lamb. I read that communities would send representatives to Jerusalem to represent them (1 per 10 citizens?) but themselves never ate the lamb. What did they substitute? I have heard that they substituted matzah.

[HadassahSukkot]

So is the jewish tradition to have a seder the night before or for two nights before the lamb? I thought that the lamb was a a part of the seder?

Guess I'm a little unclear on the details of pesach.
you would if it were a teaching seder, or maybe if you were with the disagreeing sects of Judaism at the time.

But, he was slain at the same time as the last passover lamb, per history.. that's what matters, the when/the where/the how..

It also helps to not limit it to Friday. :P

[TheRabbi]

you would if it were a teaching seder, or maybe if you were with the disagreeing sects of Judaism at the time.
There were no teaching seders and if he were an Essene, he wouldn't have come to Jerusalem for Passover, nor would he have called the temple his father's house.