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Iosias
6th October 2007, 05:10 AM
Orombi - Report on TEC-USA "severly compromised"
Statement issued by the office Archbishop Orombi of Uganda


The Episcopal Church USA (TEC) has clarified its commitment to continue on their path to abandon the Biblical and historic faith of Anglicanism. They, in fact, have decided to walk apart, and we are distressed that they are trying to take the rest of the Anglican Communion with them.

We cannot take seriously a statement from TEC that merely pledges “as a body” to not do something. TEC betrayed the Anglican Communion when it elected and confirmed as bishop a divorced man living in a same-sex relationship. We were further betrayed when its. Presiding Bishop agreed to the Communiqué from the 2003 emergency Primates’ Meeting that he deeply regretted the “actions of the…Episcopal Church (USA),” and immediately proceeded to assert at a press conference that he would preside at that consecration. He then explained that the Primates believed their statement “as a body,” but individual primates were free to disagree.

Now, TEC has told us that they pledge “as a body” not to “authorize public rites for the blessing of same-sex unions.” We have every reason to believe that individual bishops will feel free to disagree and continue to permit blessings of same-sex unions in their dioceses, rationalizing it as part of the breadth of their pastoral response, and all the while denying their complicity. This is unacceptable.

TEC has lost the right to give assurances of their direction as a church through more words and statements. They write one thing and do another. We, therefore, cannot know what they mean by their words until we see their meaning demonstrated by their actions.

The report of the Joint Standing Committee to the TEC House of Bishops meeting represents precisely the reason I declined to attend. The report is severely compromised and further tears the existing tear in the fabric of our beloved Anglican Communion. It is gravely lamentable that our Instruments of Communion have missed the opportunity in this moment to begin the healing that is so necessary for our future.

Our Dar es Salaam communiqué did not envision interference from the Communion in the American House of Bishops while they were considering our requests. Yet, members of the Joint Standing Committee met with Presiding Bishop Schori in the course of the preparation of their House of Bishops’ statement in order to suggest certain words, which, if included in the statement, would assure endorsement by the Joint Standing Committee. Presiding Bishop Schori’s participation in the evaluation of the response requested of her province is a gross conflict of interest. We wonder why she did not recuse herself.

The report is severely compromised, and the gross conflicts of interest it represents utterly undermine its credibility.

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Alison L. Barfoot (The Rev. Canon Dr.)
Asst to the Archbishop for Int'l Relations
Church of Uganda

http://www.evangelicals.org/news.asp?id=746

karen freeinchristman
6th October 2007, 05:21 AM
Orombi should have attended. I think it's such a cop-out when people who should all be working together decide not to work together because of their suspicions.

karen freeinchristman
6th October 2007, 09:21 AM
http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=45712

Albion
6th October 2007, 11:27 AM
Orombi should have attended.

Attended what?

I think it's such a cop-out when people who should all be working together decide not to work together because of their suspicions.

But on the other hand, it was TEC's turn to produce a statement. There was no need for anyone waiting to read it to travel anywhere, and the document itself was mainly what Bp. Orombi was responding to. Remove the paragraph saying that it was not anticipated that anyone but TEC would be drafting the TEC response, and it reads exactly the same.

PaladinValer
6th October 2007, 01:54 PM
I find it amazing that, when given what they want, many Global South Primates are crying foul!

norbie
6th October 2007, 04:41 PM
I believe this is a very sad statement. It looks like this Uganda Church likes a split of the church "at all cost". We must give and take and be more tolerant. We also must give the TEC some trust and I think the majority of the Bishops will stick to +++Rowlands proposal.:thumbsup:
It would be better for the Uganda Church to 'work on individual Bishops' and not abounden the TEC. I am sure that there are thousends of very good Christian people in the TEC and it would be 'a crime' to abounden them.
Just my thoughts.

Albion
6th October 2007, 06:53 PM
I believe this is a very sad statement. It looks like this Uganda Church likes a split of the church "at all cost". We must give and take and be more tolerant. We also must give the TEC some trust and I think the majority of the Bishops will stick to +++Rowlands proposal.:thumbsup:
It would be better for the Uganda Church to 'work on individual Bishops' and not abounden the TEC. I am sure that there are thousends of very good Christian people in the TEC and it would be 'a crime' to abounden them.
Just my thoughts.

In fact, this hubbub over Bishop Orombi is silly.

Because of The Episcopal Church's shift, in just the last several decades, away from traditional standards,

1) A MAJORITY OF THE ANGLICAN PROVINCES IN THE COMMUNION have broken intercommunion with her or declared it in an impaired state. That's twenty-two provinces, and yet the talk is now as if this one bishop were the be-all and end-all of this issue.

2) The Polish National Catholic Church has broken intercommunion with TEC.

3) The Vatican has shelved discussions with her (and with the CofE).

But let the Bishop of Uganda say he's disappointed that TEC did not change course, and he's suddenly the target of all this handwringing. In fact, it was Bishop Akinola, not Orombi, who was the whipping boy here until a few days ago, and he at least is the head of the African Churches and a very vocal criitic. Not so Bp Orombi. Before that Bishop Duncan was the villain and ringleader.

Or do we just need to vent upon a new target each week?

Colabomb
6th October 2007, 09:36 PM
I find it amazing that, when given what they want, many Global South Primates are crying foul!

We don't know that they were given what they want.

This could very easily be lip service. Don't declare the TEC cooperative, until she does what she says.

She may do it, she may not, but we can't speak based on just a letter, especially concerning how Americans tend to "Reinterpret" things.

PaladinValer
6th October 2007, 10:01 PM
We don't know that they were given what they want.

This could very easily be lip service. Don't declare the TEC cooperative, until she does what she says.

Do you honestly think that the House of Bishops is so irreverent, dishonest, and backstabbing that they would sink to "lip service"?

Think about it.

No Swansong
6th October 2007, 10:28 PM
Do you honestly think that the House of Bishops is so irreverent, dishonest, and backstabbing that they would sink to "lip service"?

Think about it.
I certainly think that they can be. For example look at what was obviously a conspiracy to prevent GT's Diocese from having the Bishop that they canonically chose.

Whether they are being sincere and honest will be determined only by the passage of time. But for now I see no reason to not give them the benefit of the doubt and I think that Cola probably feels the same way. He wants to believe that they are truly sincere, honest and Godly Bishops.

PaladinValer
6th October 2007, 10:43 PM
I certainly think that they can be. For example look at what was obviously a conspiracy to prevent GT's Diocese from having the Bishop that they canonically chose.

It is my diocese as well actually.

And there was no conspiracy.

No Swansong
6th October 2007, 10:53 PM
It is my diocese as well actually.

And there was no conspiracy.
In your opinion. I believe that there are probably many who disagree with you. But it isn't something I can prove so we will simply disagree. In any case I still do not have as positive an opinion as you of the HOB. But with the Bishops that we have had in my Diocese it is not surprising that I take what most say with a grain of salt. Most TEC Bishops I have met (several but certainly not as many as Chalice) seemed more politician to me than shepherds. But to be fair this also applies to a lesser extent to the many "Catholic" Bishops I have met.