tares vs. wheat

[stone]

I am beginning this thread to begin a debate on a topic of much controversy.

The issue to discuss is, when is it deemed that a tare is a tare and its time to move on?

The arguments will be to the prior, that anyone can be saved, all that has to be done is the bad spirits be removed from the individual.

I'm sending an invite out now, to not derail another thread.


one rule:

No mentioning any names of people in this forum as examples.

[stone]

I'll begin;

An individual states that they love satan.

The same individual states that they love christ.

Now, looking into the case, we 1st view the life style of this person. Let's say that this person is gothic. This person dresses in dark clothing. This person attends events where there is stage blood spewed all over the place in demonstrations that could only be influenced by death and evil.

Although, this person's lifestyle reflects darkness and evil; they state that they are a christian.

[BelindaP]

If said person is infested with a demon, then the person might easily say they love Christ one moment and say they love Satan when manifesting the possession.

But first, let's understand something first. Do you believe it is possible for a person who seeks Christ to be demon-possessed? The whole argument rests on this point, so we might as well understand one another up front.

[Solidlyhere]

I don't understand the OP's issue: "The issue to discuss is, when is it deemed that a tare is a tare and its time to move on?"

Even the example leaves much to the imagination: "An individual states that they love satan. The same individual states that they love Christ. ... Although, this person's lifestyle reflects darkness and evil; they state that they are a Christian."

Are you asking us how we determine who is a TRUE Christian?
Or, are you asking us how to know people who are like the tares, and will be burned in Hell?

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the Name of Jesus::hug:

The reason why people have demons, is that they have vanity of flesh. And all demons are manifestations of the flesh, and Satan himself is our " disobedient unto God" persona. Satan did not exist, until he was found in man. We are the personification of Satan, when we disobey God. Or in laymans terms, we let our desires of flesh to run away with us. Greed is a great demon.

Here is a great verse for all to discern. " The root of all evil, is the love of money". who can discern this in truth.

Also Only One time in scriptures, is someone called " Satan". It was Peter, Called Satan by Jesus. When Peter was, " disobedient unto Gods will". There is that " Satan interpretation scripture again. " disobedience unto God".

" It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter."

I pray my words do not offend any.

God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.:wave:
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[hiumble1]

spirit You did not answer the question.
This is not a debate about the existance of satan or otherwise...
Keep On topic.

[Spiritofprophecy]

spirit You did not answer the question.
This is not a debate about the existance of satan or otherwise...
Keep On topic.
Greetings in the Name of Jesus:

This statement you made is clearly the difference between orthodox belief of satan, and the true Satan.

Tares are people, who deny God, which is the " Spirit of satan".

Since that is my faith and belief, then as to answering the question; this is related.

Since all people are tares, and also Satan is spirit of disobedience unto Gods will. My answer would be to never deny them or reject them. But leave that to God, and always suffer and witness unto them until you are not able.

But He asked " when" which I nave not answer. for there is a never when too me. As I believe there is never a time to give up on any tares. If there was a time, used by Jesus. Then Saul of tarsus, the most hated and greatest persecutor of Christians would not have been saved.

I apologize if you believe my post was off thread. As I am sure your critique of my post was, off thread.

I pray my words do not offend.

And God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

I am beginning this thread to begin a debate on a topic of much controversy.

The issue to discuss is, when is it deemed that a tare is a tare and its time to move on?

The arguments will be to the prior, that anyone can be saved, all that has to be done is the bad spirits be removed from the individual.

I'm sending an invite out now, to not derail another thread.


one rule:

No mentioning any names of people in this forum as examples. The weeds are the members of secret societies in the churches and else where.

[Spiritofprophecy]

I don't understand the OP's issue: "The issue to discuss is, when is it deemed that a tare is a tare and its time to move on?"

Even the example leaves much to the imagination: "An individual states that they love satan. The same individual states that they love Christ. ... Although, this person's lifestyle reflects darkness and evil; they state that they are a Christian."

Are you asking us how we determine who is a TRUE Christian?
Or, are you asking us how to know people who are like the tares, and will be burned in Hell?
Greetings in the Name of Jesus:

Thought it was perceptive post, and needed repeating; Although I might be accused of quoting off thread.

God bless all Christians in forum, and all those who use it.

[Solidlyhere]

I was hoping the OP would clarify his question, but now I will just jump in.

Stone suggests: "An individual states that they love satan. The same individual states that they love Christ."

This is a poor example. God wants us to have Universal Love.
Because I am a Christian, I attempt to Love God with all of my heart.
Because I am a Christian (and I wish to obey the Great Commandment) I practice Loving others, as often (and as deeply) as I can.

OK, God LOVES Satan. Jesus Christ has Universal Love.
Jesus hasn't taught that I am supposed to go through my Life in a constant state of hatred for Satan. Nor am I supposed to be afraid of Satan.

It is an easy "jump" for a Christian to feel God's Love for Satan.
Satan has a job to do.
Christ, Himself, twice said that Satan is the ruler of the Earth.
If I hate Satan, it will give him power ... that negative power is what Satan desperately wants everyone to feel.
If I Love Satan, he won't like that.
He PREFERS to be hated or feared (or worshipped).
I believe that deeply Spiritual people can (and DO) feel God's Love for Satan.

So, for them, they are as far away from being Tares, as non-Christians are to Believers.

[Solidlyhere]

BelindaP thinks the issue is: "Do you believe it is possible for a person who seeks Christ to be demon-possessed?"

Absolutely YES.

To this, I look to the acts of Jesus Christ Himself.

Several demon-possessed people wanted Jesus to cast out their demons.
These people were seeking Christ, and His teachings.
People like Mary Magdaline were very grateful for this, and followed Jesus in His ministry.

These days, we don't have Jesus Christ walking the streets.
So, MANY demon-possessed people will WANT to be demon-Free.
But, with the less-powerful exorcists we have today, most of them will have to do the best they can to Love and Follow Jesus ... and eventually, they may be "healed" by God, and live the rest of their Life demon-Free.

[BelindaP]

I'm glad we agree. I wonder if Stone is planning on returning to finish the debate. :scratch:

[Spiritofprophecy]

I was hoping the OP would clarify his question, but now I will just jump in.

Stone suggests: "An individual states that they love satan. The same individual states that they love Christ."

This is a poor example. God wants us to have Universal Love.
Because I am a Christian, I attempt to Love God with all of my heart.
Because I am a Christian (and I wish to obey the Great Commandment) I practice Loving others, as often (and as deeply) as I can.

OK, God LOVES Satan. Jesus Christ has Universal Love.
Jesus hasn't taught that I am supposed to go through my Life in a constant state of hatred for Satan. Nor am I supposed to be afraid of Satan.

It is an easy "jump" for a Christian to feel God's Love for Satan.
Satan has a job to do.
Christ, Himself, twice said that Satan is the ruler of the Earth.
If I hate Satan, it will give him power ... that negative power is what Satan desperately wants everyone to feel.
If I Love Satan, he won't like that.
He PREFERS to be hated or feared (or worshipped).
I believe that deeply Spiritual people can (and DO) feel God's Love for Satan.

So, for them, they are as far away from being Tares, as non-Christians are to Believers.
greetings in the name of Jesus:

Thought your post could use some repeating. Nicely done.