Husbands and Wives...Church and Submission.

[warriorofprayer]

I am single, but I see troubled marriages and couples alot and most of them belong to churches that teach submission no matter what the cost.

My question is...

Do you think that wives should be 100% submissive to their husbands, even if the know that they are wrong in decisions they are making?

If the woman is the bread-winner for the house, while the husband stays home, do you believe that he should rule the finances?

What is the biblical view on this?

Same goes for the church, should someone in the congregation be submissive to the pastor, even though it is blatently clear that they are going in the wrong direction?

I would love to hear others viewpoints on these issues.

God Bless

[JHM]

Best wishes to the originator of this thread.

[7angel]

What maintains to a marriage or family united, is the love, when there is love is reasonable dialogue and understanding between the people.


No Christian, or shepherd, priest or minister, can exert authority, and to demand submission, would be replacing the FAITH by the law, in this way the FAITH is killed, and no longer there is salvation

Jesus never was authoritarian

[LJSGM]

Why does no one ever ask about the duty of a husband to love? Why are the marriage problems always the woman's fault?

[ciaradawn]

Do you think that wives should be 100% submissive to their husbands, even if the know that they are wrong in decisions they are making? No I don't think that wives should ever be 100% submissive. I think sometimes the woman should be submissive and I think sometimes the man should be submissive. It's all about give and take. If one person is always submissive then the person 'in charge' will gain a complex for power and the submissive one will feel like he/she has no power and that his/her opinions don't matter. I think it is always important for both sides to consider the other person. COMPROMISE on both sides is KEY!!!

If the woman is the bread-winner for the house, while the husband stays home, do you believe that he should rule the finances? I think whoever is better at dealing with money should handle it. In my family's case: my father is the breadwinner, but my mother handles the finances because she is better at it. It is the same with my husband and I.

What is the biblical view on this? From what I've read/heard, the woman should submit to the husband and the husband should love the woman as God loved the church. but I don't think everything in the Bible is mean to be taken completely literally. We live in a different world and a different time and we need to be mindfull of that. Women are important now.

Same goes for the church, should someone in the congregation be submissive to the pastor, even though it is blatently clear that they are going in the wrong direction? No. No one is ever 100% right 100% of the time. If the pastor cannot recognize his/her own faults then there is a problem & I would not be comfortable attending that church. But if the pastor is completely unwilling to realize his/her own faults and you still want to attend, sometimes it's best to just let it go. If you know what is right in your heart and he is unwilling to bend, then you just do what you think is right & let him/her keep going the way they are going because they don't want to change.

[ciaradawn]

Why does no one ever ask about the duty of a husband to love? Why are the marriage problems always the woman's fault?
That's true. I think the reason that the woman's role is brought up more is because it's us women doing most of the discussion and we want to know what we should be doing. I agree, the husband is just as responsible for the success or failure of the marriage as the wife is.

[LJSGM]

That's true. I think the reason that the woman's role is brought up more is because it's us women doing most of the discussion and we want to know what we should be doing. I agree, the husband is just as responsible for the success or failure of the marriage as the wife is.
It seems to be mostly men that bring up how a woman is supppose to be 100% submissive to her husband. The reason probably is, his wife is having a hard time submitting to him because he's not loving and leading like he's suppose to. But instead of him being the problem, it's always put on the woman's shoulders to bear the weight of the marriage problems and just ignore this or that, ect.

[ciaradawn]

It seems to be mostly men that bring up how a woman is supppose to be 100% submissive to her husband. The reason probably is, his wife is having a hard time submitting to him because he's not loving and leading like he's suppose to. But instead of him being the problem, it's always put on the woman's shoulders to bear the weight of the marriage problems and just ignore this or that, ect.
You're right... if the husband is not loving then it's hard for the woman to let him lead.

[inpursuit]

I am single, but I see troubled marriages and couples alot and most of them belong to churches that teach submission no matter what the cost.

My question is...

Do you think that wives should be 100% submissive to their husbands, even if the know that they are wrong in decisions they are making?

If the woman is the bread-winner for the house, while the husband stays home, do you believe that he should rule the finances?

What is the biblical view on this?

Same goes for the church, should someone in the congregation be submissive to the pastor, even though it is blatently clear that they are going in the wrong direction?

I would love to hear others viewpoints on these issues.

God Bless
No you are to discern, not just blatently follow.. You are to follow God not man

There are many today setting themselves up as pastors that doesnt mean they are one.

[jive4005]

Most couples never grow deeply into the spiritual side of this equation... and trying to work it out in only the natural is certain to fail.

It takes a mature couple to get down to the real lessons this teaches us and, quite frankly, most Christian don't have that maturity or dedication (let's not even go into the "love" or lack of aspect here).

Obeying God is essential... wanting to and knowing why is even more important.

His,
Rev J

[indagroove]

Both Husband and Wife require a servant's heart, and both focus on God first.

[LJSGM]

Yah, I always thought that submission was a part of love.

[New_Wineskin]

I am single, but I see troubled marriages and couples alot and most of them belong to churches that teach submission no matter what the cost.

My question is...

Do you think that wives should be 100% submissive to their husbands, even if the know that they are wrong in decisions they are making?

If the woman is the bread-winner for the house, while the husband stays home, do you believe that he should rule the finances?

What is the biblical view on this?


Well , since you want to know what the Law says about it , here are a few items to remember :

Husbands are to love their wives
husbands usually give vows of honoring and cherishing their wives
we are to be mutually submissive
do to others as you would want them to do to you


Husbands who do not keep those things in mind are not acting like husbands and so are not to be treated as such . Submissive doesn't mean being a slave or a doormat . If the husband is not acting in love or in an honoring manner to the wife , he is not acting correctly .