Petition Poll To Be Presented To Erwin Concerning The Definition Of 'christianity'

[Time2BCounted]

Hello all,
I realize i am not a member of your forum, and yet i am a brother working toward a change here concerning something we all believe. If i am going against your protocall, please excuse and forgive me.

Right now however, i believe we can do what Erwin sought to do before all the recent changes, namely work together as one for the glory of God.

This petition poll is being placed in a few forums

We the undersigned believe the official definition of "Christianity" according to the official faq's, in sorely in need of clarification, as it leaves open the possibility that a few important factors will allow people to be misled.
The bible clearly defines God as "Lord over all", and since this passage is used in the faq to define 'christianity', we agree that the following clarification is not only in order, but required for a proper understanding.


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Originally Posted by

1. Christian
A Christian, simply put, is a disciple of Jesus Christ:
Acts 11:26 (NIV) "The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
To become a Christian, a person should refer to the following Scripture (for more details click here):
John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Romans 10:9-13 (NIV) "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all*, and that He richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.""
*(God is defined in scripture as being Lord over all, the book of Acts acknowledges also that God bought the church with His own blood, therefore Christians believe that Jesus is God)
Acts 2:38 (NIV) "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."



Red = extant portion in definition
Purple = proposed clarification

We need a clear definition as soon as possible for the sake of anyone seeking who may be misled by the current definition, and we agree this is not only doctrinally sound, but required belief if one is to BE a christian

[New_Wineskin]

We need a clear definition as soon as possible for the sake of anyone seeking who may be misled by the current definition, and we agree this is not only doctrinally sound, but required belief if one is to BE a christian

It is not doctrinally sound that there is a requrement for believing a definition . Nor is believing a definition a requirement for salvation .

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Why does CF use these definitions?

[Time2BCounted]

Why does CF use these definitions?
My guess is that they put it into the faq in order to show what they officially endorse by way of defining specific terms.

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Are they defining it as a necessity for calling yourself a 'Christian' and debating in Christian section?

[JolieHeart]

Who has been misled by the current definition?

Who plans to alter the current definition, to what, and how was the new definition arrived at, and under whose judgment?

[sandman]

Hello all,
I realize i am not a member of your forum, and yet i am a brother working toward a change here concerning something we all believe. If i am going against your protocall, please excuse and forgive me.

Right now however, i believe we can do what Erwin sought to do before all the recent changes, namely work together as one for the glory of God.

This petition poll is being placed in a few forums

We the undersigned believe the official definition of "Christianity" according to the official faq's, in sorely in need of clarification, as it leaves open the possibility that a few important factors will allow people to be misled.
The bible clearly defines God as "Lord over all", and since this passage is used in the faq to define 'christianity', we agree that the following clarification is not only in order, but required for a proper understanding.


Quote:
Originally Posted by

1. Christian
A Christian, simply put, is a disciple of Jesus Christ:
Acts 11:26 (NIV) "The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
To become a Christian, a person should refer to the following Scripture (for more details click here):
John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son (Jesus), that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Romans 10:9-13 (NIV) "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all*, and that He richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.""
*(God is defined in scripture as being Lord over all, the book of Acts acknowledges also that God bought the church with His own blood, therefore Christians believe that Jesus is God)
Acts 2:38 (NIV) "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."



Red = extant portion in definition
Purple = proposed clarification

We need a clear definition as soon as possible for the sake of anyone seeking who may be misled by the current definition, and we agree this is not only doctrinally sound, but required belief if one is to BE a christian
When you say misled …..what do you mean? Do you think that is a serious problem with Christians?
What exactly defines a Christian ….According to the Word it is one who has adhered to Acts 2:38 or confessed Romans 10:9 …it is one who is born again of Gods spirit and has Christ in them, which is where the word Christian derived from.

*(God is defined in scripture as being Lord over all, the book of Acts acknowledges also that God bought the church with His own blood, therefore Christians believe that Jesus is God)
Are you saying that someone who does not believe that Jesus is God is not a Christian? Can you actually qualify that statement from the Word of God?

I have been a Christian for 35 years, and I have, as of yet, not run into anyone who was confused about, or felt they were misled into thinking they were Christian. Many have had questions about their beliefs, but they knew who they were.
We don’t need to qualify people with rules, lets follow Gods example and look at the heart.

[Nadiine]

It is not doctrinally sound that there is a requrement for believing a definition . Nor is believing a definition a requirement for salvation .
In other words, NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE doesn't matter, you can just call yourself a "Christian" and POOOF, you're a Christian???
:swoon: I can't disagree more! Every religion has central tenets THAT MAKE IT THE FAITH THAT IT IS by it's own definitions and mandates and claims of itself.

Christianity is all of a sudden the EXCEPTION TO THE RULE? How convenient.

[Nadiine]

It's my personal opinion that some or even many in this section are already influenced and the one's who ARE misleading others into false doctrines & beliefs... after reading some of these posts, I have some concern for this poll being able to help this section define Christianity.

I think some should have a close read of Mat. 7:21-23. Claiming to know God doesn't necessarily mean that HE KNOWS YOU.

[Time2BCounted]

Amen Nadiine

"Jesus is God" is one of the basic tenents of Christianity. Scripture itself telling us that GOD shed His blood for us. If we dont believe, we only call ourselves believers in word, certainly not in deed.

[Nadiine]

Amen Nadiine

"Jesus is God" is one of the basic tenents of Christianity. Scripture itself telling us that GOD shed His blood for us. If we dont believe, we only call ourselves believers in word, certainly not in deed.
I had written Erwin & staff in many complaints about 6 months prior to the 7/7/7 creed removal - asking that the Deity of Christ/trinity be a mandatory acceptance for members (as well as belief that the Bible is the inspired word of God - just inspired by God .... as Peter stated).
The reason we see so much division on this site now is that THERE ARE 2 DIVISIVE BELIEF SYSTEMS battling for supremacy here.
Ask why the 2 don't get along... becuz they define what a Christian is.
The people refusing that Christ is God or a Trinity, rejecting that the Bible is from God to us (inspired by Him thru the writers), are the same ones promoting all the other 'unorthodox' (for lack of calling what I'd really like to call it) doctrines that the early churches rejected.

Erwin's actual mission is to try to UNITE 2 separate herds as one body in Christ's name.... he'll never get his wish.
One will either bail out & leave altogether and move to greener pastures, or the battle will rage on. They CANNOT MIX and unite. It's spiritually impossible for a Christian to support, promote, tolerate and condone what is being elevated in all this unorthodox doctrine.

It isn't much different than what the JW's & Mormon's teach imo. They just have different slants on the same principles for the most part.

It can't work in who Erwin's trying to UNITE for the sake of Unification & "Peace".
I can't spell out what I'd like to here for fear of being reported, but I stand by my statements & intended meaning.
I have no fellowship with this unorthodox invasion nor will I EVER.

[pgp_protector]

Amen Nadiine

"Jesus is God" is one of the basic tenents of Christianity. Scripture itself telling us that GOD shed His blood for us. If we dont believe, we only call ourselves believers in word, certainly not in deed.
Umm the Demons believe that Jesus is God, but sorry to say that doesn't save them.

[Nadiine]

Umm the Demons believe that Jesus is God, but sorry to say that doesn't save them.
belief isn't identical to FAITH -- and who you have the FAITH IN is what makes one saved or not.

Faith in whom if Jesus isn't God? a HUMAN BEING? It all rests in who Christ is - as Lord.

[pgp_protector]

belief isn't identical to FAITH -- and who you have the FAITH IN is what makes one saved or not.

Faith in whom if Jesus isn't God? a HUMAN BEING? It all rests in who Christ is - as Lord.
Guess I should of highlighted the part I was really responding to / about
"If we dont believe, we only call ourselves believers in word, certainly not in deed."

I'm really pointing out that it's not Belief that saves also :)

[Time2BCounted]

Umm the Demons believe that Jesus is God, but sorry to say that doesn't save them.
...its not the shallow word 'belief' we should concern ourselves with, but the deeper meaning, as in we believe and receive to the point of repentance, but i understand what youre clarifying here :)

[Nadiine]

Guess I should of highlighted the part I was really responding to / about
"If we dont believe, we only call ourselves believers in word, certainly not in deed."

I'm really pointing out that it's not Belief that saves also :)
ok thanks for that clarification - I agree :thumbsup:

One poll that was taken showed that basically 89% of Americans considered themselves "Christian"....
*blank stare*

[Time2BCounted]

Theres a good reason for that blank stare

[sandman]

As I stated in my first post Christianity is defined as Christ in someone that is the biblical definition
We ……… or actually the majority of Christendom defines it as belief or the adherence to the trinity ………..So who is right……….. the Bible or Traditional Christendom.


The reason we see so much division on this site now is that THERE ARE 2 DIVISIVE BELIEF SYSTEMS battling for supremacy here

Many of these people have been around this site for years but due to the rules could not post their beliefs. No one that I have seen is battling for supremacy although if that is how you feel …I cannot deny your perspective.



Ask why the 2 don't get along... becuz they define what a Christian is.
The people refusing that Christ is God or a Trinity, rejecting that the Bible is from God to us (inspired by Him thru the writers), are the same ones promoting all the other 'unorthodox' (for lack of calling what I'd really like to call it) doctrines that the early churches rejected.


Now that is just not true. There may be some who deny that the Bible is God inspired but they come on both sides of the deity fence.
As for the unorthodox doctrines that you speak of {of which you give no specifics} if they don’t line up with the Word ….what’s the problem… pay no attention to them. But if they do line up with the Word and go against the grain of traditional thinking, then the problem is not with them.

According to Acts 2:38 which I am using for an example there is nothing in that verse that states that a person needs to believe in a triune God to be saved. In fact I know of no place where it states we need to believe that Jesus is God to be saved …born again, have Christ within us, which makes us a member of this body of Christ.

[sandman]

Umm the Demons believe that Jesus is God, but sorry to say that doesn't save them.
Do you have a scripture reference for that?

[sandman]

I have no fellowship with this unorthodox invasion nor will I EVER.

I wanted to thank you for that statement, it is exactly how I never want to become.
There are a only a few verses in the Bible that would qualify for a believer to make that statement ….none of which I see as being applicable to those here.
I never want to get to the point unless it’s truly by revelation from God that I shun any Christian believers, Trinitarians or otherwise, because of their belief, nor do I ever want to cut myself off from members of the Body of Christ …….members whom God has chosen.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

As for myself I am for the unity of Christians and not division. I am well aware that I will not always agree with other Christians, nor them with me. There are many different Christian groups that don't believe in Trinitarism, but as far as I know, all of them believe that Jesus is a god, and or a deity, which means the same. I agree that correct doctrine is very important, however because this is the "Non Denom" forum, I expected that difference. So who is that wants to divide us, and why.