How could the bible be infallible if we weren't there to witness the writings?

[Unity0940]

I just can't come to accept the bible in it's entirety to be the truth no matter how hard I try! The Old Testament is full of versus that portray God to be a very angry and vengeful deity, and it really saddens me that the scare tactics of satan and hell is what keeps me(and many others) from totally dismissing it's "supposed" validity. Could you please give me YOUR proof of how you believe the bible to be totally accurate and true? How do you know? :confused:

[BlackSabb]

I just can't come to accept the bible in it's entirety to be the truth no matter how hard I try! The Old Testament is full of versus that portray God to be a very angry and vengeful deity, and it really saddens me that the scare tactics of satan and hell is what keeps me(and many others) from totally dismissing it's "supposed" validity. Could you please give me YOUR proof of how you believe the bible to be totally accurate and true? How do you know? :confused:


That's an excellent question, one I've thought of myself. When the Bible was being put together at the Nicene Council, I find it a little far fetched that out of the hundreds of different scriptural writings, just the 66 books that are now present are the correct ones, and all others were false.

I believe the Bible to be essentially true in nature, as far as its' major truths about Jesus and salvation, but not that it is this flawless, infallible book, handwritten by God himself.

For eg, I have some problems with Paul. He was clearly the most fanatical of all the Apostles, and he had problems with women. He says that for eg, "in this present time (or age), no one should look for a wife as it distracts from the ministry. Jesus however said to the Apostles not to tell anyone not to marry.

He chastises young widows. Paul says that they are not focussed and in time, they want to remarry, and so they leave behind their first love, Jesus. Harsh, unkind words. Paul says he wishes for all people to become like him, (unmarried), and so it is no wonder that he is so harsh on those who want to marry, as he is clearly fanatical and unbalanced.

Then he says it's a "disgrace" for a woman to speak in church. And don't feed me this garbage I have heard all my life in church that he was talking about "disruptive" women. That is why he told them to be silent. Absolute rubbish. The Bible does not say this, it is just peoples imaginations. No, when a woman speaks in church, whether she is disruptive or not, it is a disgrace to Paul. Because she is a woman. Pure and simple.

[Albion]

That's an excellent question, one I've thought of myself. When the Bible was being put together at the Nicene Council, I find it a little far fetched that out of the hundreds of different scriptural writings, just the 66 books that are now present are the correct ones, and all others were false.

It's not quite as you describe. There were only several books which were in question (and it was not the Council of Nicaea which did this canonization anyway).

I believe the Bible to be essentially true in nature, as far as its' major truths about Jesus and salvation, but not that it is this flawless, infallible book, handwritten by God himself.

It is not said that God wrote it himself.

For eg, I have some problems with Paul. He was clearly the most fanatical of all the Apostles, and he had problems with women. He says that for eg, "in this present time (or age), no one should look for a wife as it distracts from the ministry. Jesus however said to the Apostles not to tell anyone not to marry.

He chastises young widows. Paul says that they are not focussed and in time, they want to remarry, and so they leave behind their first love, Jesus. Harsh, unkind words. Paul says he wishes for all people to become like him, (unmarried), and so it is no wonder that he is so harsh on those who want to marry, as he is clearly fanatical and unbalanced.

Then he says it's a "disgrace" for a woman to speak in church. And don't feed me this garbage I have heard all my life in church that he was talking about "disruptive" women. That is why he told them to be silent. Absolute rubbish.

Well, disliking what the Bible says is no refutation of its contents, is it?

The Bible does not say this, it is just peoples imaginations. No, when a woman speaks in church, whether she is disruptive or not, it is a disgrace to Paul. Because she is a woman. Pure and simple.

No, actually, what they said about him cautioning women who were disruptive is correct. But you'd have to know the history of those times in order to be persuaded of that fact, so why not start there? In addition, the idea that Paul was a knee-jerk opponent of women makes little sense in view of other of his writings, for example, where he says that there is no difference to God beween men and women. If he were as you say, he would never have said that. And, in truth, the chastising of young widows is hardly any different from the way he chastises men in various church positions.

Regarding the truth or credibility of the Bible, there is no book in the world which has been so closely examined. It has repeatedly been shown to be correct or at least not incorrect, although time and again, century after century, critics have said that this or that passage is impossible. Considering how it has stood the test of time better than any other such writing, there is every reason to conclude that its contents, possibly affected by having been translated, are at least probably or essentially correct. A

[Solidlyhere]

Gee, Unity0940, who cares if you believe every word in the Bible?

The MEAT of the Bible are the Gospels.
These contain the teachings of Jesus Christ.
And those teachings are LOVE . . . Love God, and Love others.

Stay out of the Old Testament. Obviously it is affecting your Faith in the rest.

Like the old saying: Take what you like, and leave the rest.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus::hug:

The actions and words of God, are not suppose to be related to actions and thoughts and ideals of man. The things of God are above the things of man, and we should not bring God down unto our level of comprehension and understanding, nor should man elevate himself, to be equal and as wise as God is.

God who makes and creates all things, the good and the evil,(evil through man). Isaiah 45;7. Can make men as he so feels they should be made. God can create and also destroy, and be righteous to do both.

It is written in Proverbs, That God says," I shall take pleasure in dashing thy little ones upon a stone."

Those of little faith will say; what a terrible God to cause evil to come upon the earth. And this would have merit, if Gods creation of man, was for the benefit of man. But creation is for God.

Can man Judge God? Or judge the merits of all creation? Where was man upon the foundation of the earths creation. Is is not vanity of man, to accept life and creation, and then condemn God who created him, as without merit and Knowledge of creation by God? As if there is a better way.It Reminds me of communism depiction of Democracies, and how much better these men made it.

Can we Judge Gods creation, without knowledge of the beginning or the end result thereof?

Mankind is the highest form of creation by God on earth; and yet many condemn and find fault with this epic creation of man. Dogs seem not unhappy they are created by God. Even snakes have their acceptance in place by God. But only man can claim, that his inheritance and existence is without a justifiable measure of creation righteousness to please man. God created man with vanity, and man sure uses it.

Is there really such thing, as finding fault and poor creation means and dissatisfaction of Gods works? yeah, if one then commits suicide I guess. We call that mental illness.

God has created man, who is capable to Love, and forgive, and have compassion for all people and things. Can there be a greater gift in creation than this?

I personally believe that Gods creation of man, allows man to make out of Life, what the individuals inner merit or person is within.

As one saying goes about life, You can make Chicken salad, or make life Chicken sh__t.

Which one can then say, God does not make people evil or without love and compassion. Men make them selves what they are.

In conclusion, if your not happy with Gods creation; Nothing would ever make you happy, short of being God himself, And then there is still doubt.

I pray my words do not offend, for it is only my opinion.

God bless all Christians in forum. and all those who use it. :wave:


</IMG></IMG>

[plmarquette]

I just can't come to accept the bible in it's entirety to be the truth no matter how hard I try! The Old Testament is full of versus that portray God to be a very angry and vengeful deity, and it really saddens me that the scare tactics of satan and hell is what keeps me(and many others) from totally dismissing it's "supposed" validity. Could you please give me YOUR proof of how you believe the bible to be totally accurate and true? How do you know? :confused:
Mother Theresa said ... to those who understand faith [in God and his word] no explaination is necessary, to those who do not [ are of the world and look for science to document & dialogue] none would suffice ...

A search on "Dispensationalism" might help you out a bit
Garden of Eden ; Noah to the flood; Moses & Judges
Kings;prophets; Pentecost till now ...+/-

Man started out lewd, crude, and rude ...the early cultures were flawed, corrupt, and rebellious ...

If you consider what is written in Deuteronomy
clean and unclean things... law of quaranteen, how to behave as wife & husband, to society ... God was speaking of what science would come to show us 2000 years before science existed
...wash your hands (didn't catch on utill after the civil war) , bathe your body (1920-30's); cook your food (pathogens, cysts, bacteria), isolate sick folks from healthy ones (plague in europe-black death)

As a parent we say no softly, louder, a time out , a swat on the bottom ... what is required...

God used what was in the culture, to discipline, protect, and preserve a remnant to serve him and bring forth the messiah in a way that they could relate...