"Once saved always saved" ???

[MoNiCa4316]

:wave: I'm wondering how many people here believe in OSAS, and how many don't. Please vote in the poll and comment if you like :)
God bless

[cyberlizard]

he who endures to the end will be saved....

[BustedFlat]

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
Joh 10:26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.[2]
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and My Father are one."


The endure to the end quote is referring to End Times. The Tribulation Saints.

Mat 10:22 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
Mat 10:23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

[Eccl12and13]

As always we must use the scripture as the base for all of our doctrine. So let's see what the word of God has to say about the righteous man vs the sinner.


Ezek 18;

[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
[22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
[23] Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Now after reading the above verses I'm sure most can relate. We all have sinned, but have turned away from our transgressions and accepted. And according to verse (22) our transgressions, "....shall not be mentioned unto him:...", and we shall live.
Now let's read below at what happens to the righteous when they turn away from thier righteousness.
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Now notice it said ALL of his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

[25] Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
[27] Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
[28] Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
So God asks the question, "....Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?"
They seem equal to me. When a sinner turns from his evil ways and follows God, should he not be rewarded. And on the other hand, when the righteous turn away from God, should he receive the same as the wicked that turned to God? No! When the righteous turns from God, he dies in his sin.
So is the righteous saved that turn away from God?

Now let's look at some more scriptures concerning the book of life.

Exod 32;
[33] And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Now I ask you, If the person, whose name was obviously IN the book of life had not sinned, would his name be blotted out? Is this person "saved" as long as his name is in the book?
Pslm 69;
[26] For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.
[27] Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
[28] Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
So again we find that it is possible for some to have thier name removed from the book of life. Notice whose names remain....the righteous.
Let's see what happens to those that endure to the end.

Matt 10;
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Rev 3;
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 17;
[8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world
Rev 20;
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21;
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

So, what do we know for a fact?
1. It is possible for a name that is in the Book of Life to be removed.
2. It is possible for a righteous person to turn away from his righteousness and die in his sins.
3. It is possible for a sinner to turn from his trangressions and become righteous.
4. Only the righteous names will be in the Book of Life.
5. He that endureth to the end shall be saved.
6. If your name is not found written in the Book of Life you will be cast into the lake of fire.

So here you have it. You can make up your own minds, but as for me....I will do like Paul;
[27] But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. I Cor 9.

[JHM]

Bye Now

[ANM29]

Impossible.

[bluediamond]

I voted impossible too.

[MarkEvan]

Been through this topic many times before, it is entierly possible to lose your salvation, this is what is meant by quenching the Spirit.


mark

[tapero]

Hi, I don't much join in the battle on osas, but I do proclaim it as is the truth, and without a a doubt one NEVER loses their salavation, that is unless God lied.



13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory


Not only are we indwelled with the Holy Spirt and other verses says Christ in us, note this is a guarantee, this marked with a seal, a deposit, guaranteeing our redemption, which means salvation. Also, this also proves that all sin is forgiven, past, present and future. For if it were not, we would not have such a guarantee. God died once for all sin, and upon belief all sin is forgiven.

We confess our sins to God and a friend if desire, but in no way is that for forgiveness as have already obtained such. When we sin against God, we feel bad and just as anyone sins against a friend and asks their forgiveness, we may also say to God forgive me for doing contrary to what I could have done or should have done. He's already forgiven you all sins. Telling God or a friend helps us heal.

We have so much sin in us, we could never ever confess all our sins (even tho we have a new heart and are a new creation), or hearts are loaded with pride, self righteousness, envy etc..which the nt teaches us to set aside. But it rears it's ugly head when it does, in every Christians life, such as do many other sins.


God is not a man, that he shouldlie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act?


Also, lieing is a sin.. Leviticus.

I won't come back here, as the people who fight against osas can have a good time doing so. I do not battle over this, and I don't recommend anyone do so. As it's a futile battle.

This is an undeniable truth. We can never lose our salvation.

Brothers, never worry about your salvation, once you believed in Christ you are sealed by the Spirit.

Anyone who needs help with or support to know that you can never lose your salvation pm me, and I will research and help.

God bless,
tapero

[JolieHeart]

Voted. "Saved" does not necessarily mean "kept."

Those who believe that OSAS, are essentially saying that once you repent, you will never be held accountable for future sin. PAST sins are washed away, but salvation is not a Carte Blanche for free will and its (salvation's) continuance depends on what we do with it. Gotta keep praying, keep walking close to Jesus, keep repenting; it's not free reign to think it's okay to go out sinning on Saturday night because 'God will forgive." Yes God forgives, but He forgives those who repent -- which means, those who are sorry, who learn from their mistakes, and who do not repeat those mistakes -- those who show true repentative hearts.
Salvation is a gift, dependent on us and on our repentance. We humans can fall off the spiritual bandwagon, fall away from Christ, and lose our salvation. Godgiven free will has responsibilities. The Holy Spirit can reside within us but it can also leave.

[BustedFlat]

Voted. "Saved" does not necessarily mean "kept."

Those who believe that OSAS, are essentially saying that once you repent, you will never be held accountable for future sin. PAST sins are washed away, but salvation is not a Carte Blanche for free will and its (salvation's) continuance depends on what we do with it. Gotta keep praying, keep walking close to Jesus, keep repenting; it's not free reign to think it's okay to go out sinning on Saturday night because 'God will forgive." Yes God forgives, but He forgives those who repent -- which means, those who are sorry, who learn from their mistakes, and who do not repeat those mistakes -- those who show true repentative hearts.
Salvation is a gift, dependent on us and on our repentance. We humans can fall off the spiritual bandwagon, fall away from Christ, and lose our salvation. Godgiven free will has responsibilities. The Holy Spirit can reside within us but it can also leave.
How many of your sins were future when Christ died?

[JHM]

Bye Now

[MarkEvan]

Voted. "Saved" does not necessarily mean "kept."

Those who believe that OSAS, are essentially saying that once you repent, you will never be held accountable for future sin. PAST sins are washed away, but salvation is not a Carte Blanche for free will and its (salvation's) continuance depends on what we do with it. Gotta keep praying, keep walking close to Jesus, keep repenting; it's not free reign to think it's okay to go out sinning on Saturday night because 'God will forgive." Yes God forgives, but He forgives those who repent -- which means, those who are sorry, who learn from their mistakes, and who do not repeat those mistakes -- those who show true repentative hearts.
Salvation is a gift, dependent on us and on our repentance. We humans can fall off the spiritual bandwagon, fall away from Christ, and lose our salvation. Godgiven free will has responsibilities. The Holy Spirit can reside within us but it can also leave.



Good post, it is entierly right to teach that there are consequences for the sins we commit after being born again, where we differ to our brothers and sisters who believe OSAS is in the extent of that affect. The most important thing for both of us, where we stand together is in the persuit of holiness, this is the most important aspect of the christians life.............because love is the fulfillment of the law.



Mark :)

[MoNiCa4316]

Thanks for participating in the poll :)

Here's how I see it. If a Christian loses faith and no longer repents of sins, they have probably lost their salvation...there is a reason the Bible warns us of falling away. This person has basically decided that they no longer believe in God and that they don't care if they sin, and they go back to darkness.

HOWEVER, ;) the Holy Spirit is there to help us persevere! People often lose faith when it is tested and they "don't pass the test"...but by the Spirit, many are able to come back. No matter how many times we have failed, God finds His 'strayed sheep' and is willing to take them back. That's why the Bible says that by the Holy Spirit, we are 'guaranteed' redemption in the end.

So I would say...it's definitely possible! But by God's grace, it is usually prevented. The only time I could think of when a person would absolutely refuse to come back is when they have rejected the Holy Spirit (as the Bible says, the only unforgivable sin) and no longer hear Him.

God bless.

[Ben12]

The word saved is so over used in Christian cycles; when we except Christ we are but justified by faith.

Full savation is a life time experence; not like many would like to believe because you say a few words on an altar fifty years ago and then there is no more to it.

[jeremyloo]

A brother explained it very clearly here and I wished to share it with you. But because his writing is too long, I will split it into 2 parts.

Be bless

A Christian cannot lose his salvation - Part 1


First and foremost, we are talking about true-blue, born-again Christians. This statement, however, leads to a problem: How do we know if someone is truly born of God?
In some cases, it is really hard to tell and only God would know. Also, we must not expect "overnight" changes in the person and underestimate the work of the Holy Spirit in his life. We only need to ask ourselves how long we took to "produce fruit" to remember our own stubbiness and our Lord's grace and patience. That said, let's look at simple scriptures that clearly support eternal security.
It is comforting to note that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all "play a part" in keeping us saved. We can call this "triply secure"!
The Father...
John 10:29
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
The Son...
John 10:28
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
A Christian might argue that he can "snatch" himself out of his Father's hand by wilfully renouncing Christ. But he forgets that "no one" in John 10:28,29 includes him too.
The KJV translates it as "no man". Notice that "man" here is italicised. This means that the word was added by the translators -- "man" is not in the original Greek text.
So, a fuller meaning of the verse is actually "nothing can snatch them out of my hand" -- be it man, demons or angels! This comforting thought is also supported by Roman 8:38,39.

Furthermore, Jesus said, "I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish." Common spiritual sense tells us that "eternal life" is not "eternal" if it can be cut off at some point.
Also, "never" simply means "never". It can't get any simpler than that! God's truths are always simple, and doctrines should be built on simple, clear-cut, scriptures such as this one, not on obscure passages.
Speaking of eternal life, it is given to us by God the moment we are born again. Eternal life does not begin after we die physically. As long as we have Christ in us or "believe in the name of the Son of God", we have eternal life -- we are not waiting to get it someday.
1 John 5:12
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
The Holy Spirit...
2 Corinthians 1:22
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Ephesians 1:13
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 4:30
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
The Holy Spirit in us is God's sonship seal and guarantee to us. Can God's ownership seal be broken? Surely not. The Holy Spirit is also a deposit placed in our hearts by God. This means that God is coming back to claim what belongs to Him!
By the way, God does not have to guarantee us anything -- His word alone is sufficient for He cannot lie (1 Samuel 15:29, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18). Yet, He gives us this double assurance of guaranteed salvation!

Can sinning cause us to lose it?
The answer lies in this verse:
Romans 5:19
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Man is a sinner because of what Adam had done, not because he sins -- he sins because he has inherited Adam's sinful nature.
Likewise, a Christian is righteous because of what Jesus Christ had done on the cross, not because he does good -- he does good because Christ is in him.
When we were sinners, our good deeds could not undo what Adam had done and make us righteous. Similarly, now that we are righteous, our bad deeds or sins cannot undo what Christ had done and make us unrighteous!
If we believe that the former is impossible but the latter, possible, then we are saying that:
• Adam's work was more effective than Christ's, when the opposite is true (Romans 5:15).
• Our sinning is more powerful than the perfect work and blood of Christ.
• The blood of bulls and goats in the Old Testament is more "potent" than the blood of Christ, since the former could atone for the sins of Israel for one whole year, but that the latter loses its cleansing effect the moment we sin.
Nature itself teaches us that once a caterpillar has transformed into a butterfly ("born-again" ), even if it lands on a rubbish heap ("falls into sin") rather than flowers, it cannot change back into a caterpillar. Likewise, a man cannot be physically "unborn", neither can his spirit that has been born of God.
Taking the analogy further, the butterfly will not remain on the rubbish heap. Its nature is not to remain on smelly refuse. It will leave, sooner or later, for the fields of fragrant flowers. Likewise, a Christian cannot keep on sinning. It is not in his new nature to do so.
Another reason why sinning cannot cause a Christian to lose his salvation is that, in the first place, God does not even keep a record of his sins. This is because all of his sins -- past, present and future -- were already punished in the body of Christ on the cross. In fact, God is not even counting men's (not just Christians) sins against them!
Isaiah 53:5
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Romans 4:8
8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him."
2 Corinthians 5:19
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Hebrews 8:12
12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
Hebrews 10:17
17 Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."
So, if God still counts men's sins against them, then He is not being faithful and just to the finished work of His Son.

Predestination implies eternal security
Paul talks about predestination in Romans and Ephesians.
Romans 8:29,30
29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Ephesians 1:4-6,11
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--
6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Predestination simply says that God, in His foreknowledge, knew who would accept His Son and who would not. He then predestinated those who would believe in Jesus Christ to be saved and glorified.
Predestination is beautiful because it says that it was God's will, love and pleasure to save us. He did not do it reluctantly. Neither was God's salvation plan a "last-minute" thing or afterthought. No, God predestined us to be saved even before the creation of the world!
The very idea of predestination implies that God knows all things beforehand. He is, after all, omniscient and not bound by time. So, why would God predestinate someone "to be conformed to the image of his Son" when He knows beforehand that this person would eventually renounce Christ and "lose his salvation" (assuming that that is possible)? The very purpose of predestination and God’s perfect foreknowledge contradict this.
Also, note the unbroken chain of events in Romans 8:30: predestinate --> called --> justified --> glorified. God will complete the process for every Christian, not just for some .
In a sense, Christians are already glorified in Christ Jesus, being seated with Him in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6). But there is more to come.
At the rapture, they will receive new imperishable bodies (1 Corinthians 15:52-54). There is also further glorification when the church is presented as the spotless bride to the Father by the bridegroom, Christ Jesus (Ephesians 5:27).
So, how can "them he also glorified" be completely true if believers, after being called and justified, can eventually lose their salvation?

[jeremyloo]

A Christian cannot lose his salvation - Part 2

Renouncing Christ Christians who believe that salvation can be lost generally agree that there are many clear verses in the Bible that support eternal security. However, they draw the line when it comes to a Christian wilfully renouncing Christ. In other words, these same verses don't "cover" the Christian who decides to give up Christ.
But which true-blue, born-again Christian would, in his right mind, suddenly decide to renounce Christ? Surely, it must be a temptation of the devil, a demonic influence. It cannot be a self-contained decision.
This being the case, let's suppose that a Christian does renounce Christ and "lose his salvation". This would mean that the "demons" and "powers" responsible for influencing him into rejecting Christ have succeeded in separating him from the love of God. This scenario, however, contradicts Romans 8:38,39.
Romans 8:38,39
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Some might still argue that being in hell does not separate us from the love of God. That is simply ridiculous! How can anyone, who is suffering terribly and endlessly in the eternal lake of fire, be experiencing and enjoying the love of God?

He is faithful, not us
Many Christians think that after they are saved, they have to work at keeping their salvation, or they might lose it. This is really no different from trying to earn salvation, which can only be received by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8).
If we have to do certain things to keep our salvation, then salvation is simply not free. This contradicts Romans 5:15-18 and Romans 6:23, which say that salvation is God's free gift to us. It is free for us but it cost God His darling Son.
Think of it this way: When someone gives you a Christmas gift, do you receive it and then tell him, "Okay, how much do I owe you?" The person will be hurt, if not, offended.
Now, suppose you open up the gift only to find half of it. The giver then tells you, "You'll have to work for the other half." And we think our heavenly Father is like that!
We began in grace, and it is grace that will lead us home, not our performance.
Galatians 3:3
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Christians are also foolish to think that they have the power to "maintain" their salvation. They have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). It is God who keeps them saved. It is God who is always faithful, not them.
Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
In the above verse, we are even exhorted to be confident (not unsure) of the fact that it is Jesus (not us), who will definitely bring the good work begun in us to completion.
There are so many other verses that assure us that God is the one who keeps us saved, such as:
Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
1 Corinthians 1:8
8 He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.
1 Corinthians 10:13
13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
2 Corinthians 1:21
21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ.
Philippians 2:13
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
2 Thessalonians 3:3
3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.
2 Timothy 4:18
18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Hebrews 2:18
18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
Jude 1:24
24 To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--

Safety net of God's grace
How does knowing all this help us in our Christian walk? Some have argued that believing in eternal security leads one to sin more. The opposite is true.
Consider circus performers. Does knowing that there is a big, strong safety net below them help or worsen the quality of their performance? The answer is obvious.
Likewise, for the Christian, knowing that he cannot lose his salvation no matter how bad he messes up will encourage him to lift up his head towards heaven and move on, instead of giving up, hiding from God and staying away from church.
This is what's so amazing about God's grace. And the Christian who truly understands and appreciates God's grace is free indeed (John 8:36) but will not want to sin (1 John 3:6,9). Sin will lose its power over him because he is walking under grace -- a very powerful spiritual truth stated in Romans 6:14. It is, after all, grace that brings about genuine and lasting transformation in the believer (Titus 2:11,12, Titus 3:3-8).
On the other hand, Christians who don't understand and appreciate God's grace will say, "What! Shall we sin that grace may abound?" Paul faced the same criticism when he preached the pure gospel of grace (Romans 6:1,15).
So, the next time someone accuses you of preaching a grace message that will lead to a sinful lifestyle, take heart, because you are preaching the same, pure gospel of grace that Paul preached!

[BustedFlat]

For all you who want to put yourself in the middle of the salvation question by denying that Christ knew about all you sins before he died for them, I would ask:
How can it be consider that the Grace of God is not a gift but the wages for what we can do in our own power?

Prayerful study the following scriptures and explain to yourself how they fit in with the view of losing your salvation:

(all quotes are NKJV)
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and My Father are one."


Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.


Rom 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
Rom 4:4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


Rom 5:16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)


Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.


Rom 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
Rom 11:8 Just as it is written:


Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.


1Co 1:4 I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus,
1Co 1:5 that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge,
1Co 1:6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you,
1Co 1:7 so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 1:8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.


Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


Eph 3:1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles--
Eph 3:2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
Eph 3:3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already,
Eph 3:4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
Eph 3:5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
Eph 3:6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
Eph 3:7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.


Php 1:3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,
Php 1:4 always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy,
Php 1:5 for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now,
Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Although this is a long post this is only a short list of the scriptures that deal with Grace, I suggest that if you do not have e-sword (http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html) or some equivalent program, get one, and do an in-depth study as to the Gift of Grace and the Mercy of God.

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We began in grace, and it is grace that will lead us home, not our performance.
Amen! Once saved always saved.