Should Mormon's be allowed on the foru.ms Pastoral Team?

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Should Mormon's be allowed on the foru.ms Pastoral Team?



Expert Profile: (KiwiMac)

Expertise: All but homework questions. I will answer questions about the Early Church of the Restoration, the LDS and RLDS / Community of Christ as well as differences between them.

Experience in the area
Former LDS Elder currently Community of Christ Elder

Organizations
Community of Christ

Education/Credentials
DD., PhD.

http://www.allexperts.com/ep/958-52144/Latter-day-Saints/Ray-McIntyre.htm

Community of Christ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Christ), known from 1872 to 2001 as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), is an American-based Christian denomination that claims as its mission "to proclaim Jesus Christ and promote communities of joy, hope, love, and peace," and reports approximately 250,000 members in 50 nations.

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Community of Christ recognizes three books of scripture: The Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Doctrine and Covenants. We believe in continuing revelation and an open canon of scripture.

Community of Christ Official Website FAQ on Faith and Beliefs (http://www.cofchrist.org/ourfaith/faith-beliefs.asp)

I'd like to discuss and debate this topic with others who are also interested in it.

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Also, if this is not the appropriate place for this poll, I do apologize. I'm just not sure where to put it at. I've been told that I'm not allowed to ask the Pastoral Team about this, in their forum, so I am trying to find a place to ask. If you need to move this, I'll understand. Please let me know where you move it to, if you would. Thank you. :)

[david01]

I voted no, simply because the Mormon church in its several variations is not Christian in its doctrines and practices. I would also vote the same way concerning Jehovah's Witnesses or the Church of Christ, Scientist. Allowing for a broad understanding of Christianity, these groups fall outside that understanding, in my opinion.

[ChristianCenturion]

I'm still undecided if I should vote based on what should be for an organization that claims to be Christian or if I should vote based on how 4U already contradicts Christian teaching by assigning Pagans, Atheists, open homosexuals, and whatever else to official positions throughout the forum.

I suppose that I'll have to think about this a bit more before voting.

[MauiMamma]

I voted no because I don't think the Mormon teaching is in line with Christianity and the Bible. With that said, I also agree that Jehovah's Witnesses, Church of Christ, Christian Scientists, Pagans, Athiets, homosexuals and the like, should not have official positions throughout this forum.

[minasoliman]

Isn't Mormon Trinitarian theology basically tri-theist? Don't they interpret the "image of God" as an actual human figure of the Father?

If so, then no, they shouldn't be allowed.

[kiwimac]

The LDS Church is definitely tri-theist, the CoC is trinitarian. As I am a priest in the Anglican Church International (Ordination papers sighted by Team Omega) perhaps you can tell me why this thread was started?

[kiwimac]

Also please note the following:

Expert Profile: Ray McIntyre



Expertise: All but homework questions. I will answer questions about the Early Church of the Restoration, the LDS and RLDS / Community of Christ as well as differences between them.

Experience in the area
Former LDS Elder; former Community of Christ Elder

Organizations
Community of Christ

Education/Credentials
DD., PhD.

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Well it was started because you have identified yourself as a member of the Community of Christ Church, and on their website they identify as Mormon. They recognize these 3 books, and call all of them "scripture":
The Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Doctrine and Covenants. We believe in continuing revelation and an open canon of scripture.

Community of Christ Official Website FAQ on Faith and Beliefs (http://www.cofchrist.org/ourfaith/faith-beliefs.asp)


My question is specifically about whether or not the Pastoral Team should allow it's team members to be Mormons, and/or members of the Community of Christ Church which is a recognized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

It's not an attack on you. It's just a question about whether or not posters think that mormons should be allowed to be on the Pastoral Team for foru.ms

I didn't write your information. It's what you wrote. I just copied and pasted it.

[kiwimac]

Adiya,

I am not a mormon nor am I a member of the Community of Christ NOW. Nor have I been for some years. Your information is out of date. I have been a member of the Allexperts website for almost a decade.

[Athene]

Adiya, if you do not wish people to see this as an attack on Kiwimac then perhaps as a good will gesture you should edit Kiwi's information out as he has explained several times now that he is no longer part of the Community of Christ but instead a member of the Anglican Church International.

[ChristianCenturion]

The LDS Church is definitely tri-theist, the CoC is trinitarian. As I am a priest in the Anglican Church International (Ordination papers sighted by Team Omega) perhaps you can tell me why this thread was started?

I'm participating in this thread to answer this:

... It's just a question about whether or not posters think that mormons should be allowed to be on the Pastoral Team for foru.ms...


And to answer:
The question for me isn't whether or not 4U should call itself Christian or not, because it does. Because it does, it is open to rebuke by those who follow Christ for any contradictions it might demonstrate in practice.

Should a Christian organization have someone who follows the Mormon religion on Pastoral staff?
Knowing some of the contradictions between the religions, I see the answer is no.

That answers the OP question for me. Whether or not you would be a Mormon or not right now is a moot point when answering the question. Although, I did find it interesting about your past status. But that is the past AFAIAC.

But since there is a new addition to the Pastoral staff, there are other issues that go beyond the generalized poll questions.

For example - whether or not someone who supports, promotes or otherwise says that same-gender sexual relations is compatible with Christianity should be on a Christian organization's Pastoral staff, that would be another question - but having the same answer of no.

But 4U's continued direction shows that scripture has very little bearing on what it does or doesn't do. So, I see the above contradiction as merely consistent with other practices that are all glossed over with slogans and qualifying what is done by the lipservice of calling it Christian.

... but it can't have it both ways. If the site wants to claim our Savior's name is involved, it will be rebuked on where it contradicts the teaching.

[ChristianCenturion]

Adiya, if you do not wish people to see this as an attack on Kiwimac then perhaps as a good will gesture you should edit Kiwi's information out as he has explained several times now that he is no longer part of the Community of Christ but instead a member of the Anglican Church International.

That might upset all those who decried transparency and secrecy in the past. Remove accessible information that has been confirmed to be accurate, no. Assertions that are not true, sure - I would agree with a removal being appropriate.

[Athene]

That might upset all those who decried transparency and secrecy in the past. Remove accessible information that has been confirmed to be accurate, no. Assertions that are not true, sure - I would agree with a removal being appropriate.

The assertion that kiwimac is a mormon is not true, therefore a removal is appropriate.

[ChristianCenturion]

The assertion that kiwimac is a mormon is not true, therefore a removal is appropriate.

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=39169052&postcount=14

You might want to notice that I agree that if there were mistaken or false assertions, that removal is appropriate.

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Adiya,

I am not a mormon nor am I a member of the Community of Christ NOW. Nor have I been for some years. Your information is out of date. I have been a member of the Allexperts website for almost a decade.

How was I to know this? The picture of you there is the same as the one you have on foru.ms now, and there are responses to your "helping posters" up through August of 2007, last month.


Under the Recent Reviews there (http://www.allexperts.com/ep/958-52144/Latter-day-Saints/Ray-McIntyre.htm)

Thank you very much!
(Benjamin on 08/12/07)

thank you soo much i really appreciate you taking your time and answering this question it really does help a whole bunch staying out of the fights an
(barbara on 06/25/07)



These things make it appear as though you were using that account recently, and had ample opportunity to change the information therein, but chose not to, until today, when I asked about it.

Again, this is not an attack on you KiwiMac. I don't have a problem with Mormon's though it seems that a number of person's on this site do. I am of the mind that if a person accepts Jesus as their Savior, and confesses Him as such, with their mouths, while believing in their heart that He was risen from the dead, that they are saved. This is what the bible says, and I believe the bible. I don't get hung up on denominations. I don't know that all mormon's don't believe this about Jesus. I think that some surely do, just as some from all religious denominations do accept Jesus. I don't get hung up on "Christianity" as a title, but rather as a personal relationship with G-d the Father, through Jesus Christ, the Savior. So my questions here were about whether or not this site allows Mormon's to be on the Pastoral Team (now the Chaplain Team). Your info was merely used as information to support my reason for asking the question. You were not intended to be the sole issue.

If I have hurt you in any way, by pasting your own words here, I apologize. It was not my intention.

[kiwimac]

What I do on Allexperts is provide folk who are seeking answers on questions of fact or theology with those answers. Just as I used to do as a reference Librarian.

I am also an expert for Anglicanism / The Episcopal church there and am being considered for the Quaker area as well. On WikiAnswers I am being considered for the Supervisor of the Islamic area. Why? Because these are the areas I have training in.

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What I do on Allexperts is provide folk who are seeking answers on questions of fact or theology with those answers. Just as I used to do as a reference Librarian.

I am also an expert for Anglicanism / The Episcopal church there and am being considered for the Quaker area as well. On WikiAnswers I am being considered for the Supervisor of the Islamic area. Why? Because these are the areas I have training in.


I think it's quite wonderful that you do these things actually. I would enjoy discussing those topics with you myself, any time you'd be up to it. We could even discuss it off of the forums, as you have my IM info.

I still do not understand why everybody see's this as an attack on you, or on Mormon's. My point was not to attack Mormon's, but to find out if Mormon's are allowed to be a part of the Pastoral Team (now the Chaplain Team). I don't personally care who is on the chaplain team. I just wanted to know who was "allowed" to be on it, and what posters might feel about that.

[Athene]

Now that kiwimac has told you he is no longer a mormon you shouldn't use him as an example.

[BAFRIEND]

I voted yes, even thogh I think the "why not" on the end of it is loaded because I can think of a few despite my choice.

The new policy here is that Foru.ms now does not judge who is and who is not a Christian, therefore if they are going to allow an LDS community, then LDS deserves reps & the other privileges offered other denoms.

[PaladinGirl]

Yes, why not? :)

[cajunhillbilly]

I checked the link to the Community of Christ website and they do seem to be Trinitarian, not Tri-theistic like the Utah church.

[Ephesians4]

Voted no.