Who is a true Judaeo Christian?

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Can a person join Pagan beliefs to Christianity and be a Judaeo Christian? Do you even know what Pagan beliefs are? Is it OK to join Paganism to God? Would God or Jesus approve? My people are distroyed for lack of knowledge! That would be, the lack of knowledge of what is evil.

[SoundCard]

I think we agree on something for a change :D, but it spreads to just more than paganism really. So many things go on that people who should know better condone for whatever reason, sadly.

[bluediamond]

"and you shall know that I am Jehovah. For you have not walked in My statutes, nor have you done My judgments, but have done after the customs of the nations all around you." Ezekiel 11:12

The customs of the people around you.. is that what we take paganism to be?

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Because it is against forum rules to speak against Christians, who have joined Pagan beliefs to Christianity.

[bluediamond]

Because it is against forum rules to speak against Christians, who have joined Pagan beliefs to Christianity.

Oh, I see.

But can we discuss what paganism is without referring to christians?

[jive4005]

Lots of people who are saved still get some things wrong. Being saved doesn't mean being smart, or right about some things. I know lots of "Christians" how do many things I believe an ardent Christian wouldn't do. I'll bet some of them think some of my life could use some fixin'.

I believe this is a good example of religion getting in the way of people forming real, lasting and intimate relationships with Jesus.

My advice, FIRST get close to Jesus, then He'll help you figure out all that other stuff.

His,
Rev

ps: keep working at it. If He goes to all this trouble for us, His plan must be superb!

[Ishida]

Lots of people who are saved still get some things wrong. Being saved doesn't mean being smart, or right about some things. I know lots of "Christians" how do many things I believe an ardent Christian wouldn't do. I'll bet some of them think some of my life could use some fixin'.

I believe this is a good example of religion getting in the way of people forming real, lasting and intimate relationships with Jesus.

My advice, FIRST get close to Jesus, then He'll help you figure out all that other stuff.

His,
Rev

ps: keep working at it. If He goes to all this trouble for us, His plan must be superb!
*cheer*

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Oh, I see.

But can we discuss what paganism is without referring to christians? By bringing up what is Pagan practices we would offend about 99.9% of Christianity. Most Christians do not think about some of the things they do, or where the practice comes from. We can only beat around the bush about it.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

A pure church of Judaic Christianity is devoid of Paganism. And that is what defines a true Judaeo Christian.

[bluediamond]

A pure church of Judaic Christianity is devoid of Paganism. And that is what defines a true Judaeo Christian.

Paganism is a very broad subject and also doesn't cover the whole of what lies outside the Kingdom of God. Do you think?

Over time as we get to know God and we really do listen to his voice we should be dropping the culture of the world around us. However, it is a matter of time, and does not happen all at once. Christians should be becoming more and more aware and learning God's culture as they grow spiritually, the culture of the Kingdom, but it seems many of us do not. We make excuses for doing what the world does, and we find it too hard, so we put it in the too hard basket.

Blessings

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

I my not be able to answer questions because of my computer. It's a HP Pavilion 64x2 core with Vista Premium. Constant problems.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Paganism is a very broad subject and also doesn't cover the whole of what lies outside the Kingdom of God. Do you think?

Over time as we get to know God and we really do listen to his voice we should be dropping the culture of the world around us. However, it is a matter of time, and does not happen all at once. Christians should be becoming more and more aware and learning God's culture as they grow spiritually, the culture of the Kingdom, but it seems many of us do not. We make excuses for doing what the world does, and we find it too hard, so we put it in the too hard basket.

Blessings Any thoughts on how this issue can be addresed without someone being offended.

[christianmomof3]

Paganism is a very broad subject and also doesn't cover the whole of what lies outside the Kingdom of God. Do you think?

Over time as we get to know God and we really do listen to his voice we should be dropping the culture of the world around us. However, it is a matter of time, and does not happen all at once. Christians should be becoming more and more aware and learning God's culture as they grow spiritually, the culture of the Kingdom, but it seems many of us do not. We make excuses for doing what the world does, and we find it too hard, so we put it in the too hard basket.

Blessings
:thumbsup: That is an excellent reply!
As the Lord's life grows within us, we should be those who are listening to Him and folloing His lead and He will guide us and help us to stop participating in the things of the world.

[JTLauder]

A clear description of what is paganism needs to be defined before an intelligent answer can be given, but I always thought paganism was a rejection of the Judeo-Christian belief and a belief in their own Gods. If that is the case, then I don't see how everything that is a rejection of the Judeo-Christian God can be compatible with anything related to the Judeo-Christian God.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

A clear description of what is paganism needs to be defined before an intelligent answer can be given, but I always thought paganism was a rejection of the Judeo-Christian belief and a belief in their own Gods. If that is the case, then I don't see how everything that is a rejection of the Judeo-Christian God can be compatible with anything related to the Judeo-Christian God. The question here is, how can a person address the issue of Paganism being joined to Christianity. Pagan Christians vs Judeo Christians. How can that issue be addressed without offending 99.9% of Christians.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

The muddy water is Paganism.


The pure water of Judaic Christianity is devoid of Paganism. And that is what defines a true Judaeo Christian. And now these days we have Gnostics and Pagans who say they are the true Christians.

[FreeinChrist]

A clear description of what is paganism needs to be defined before an intelligent answer can be given, but I always thought paganism was a rejection of the Judeo-Christian belief and a belief in their own Gods. If that is the case, then I don't see how everything that is a rejection of the Judeo-Christian God can be compatible with anything related to the Judeo-Christian God.
This fellow is espousing the ide that Jesus is a created being....He is nontrintiarian and beleives that the Tinity is a pagan belief.

I think stooping to referring to those as disagreeing with his minority view as being Pagan is weak.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

This fellow is espousing the ide that Jesus is a created being....He is nontrintiarian and beleives that the Tinity is a pagan belief.

I think stooping to referring to those as disagreeing with his minority view as being Pagan is weak. Where in the bible does it say you must believe in the Trinitarian doctrine of the Catholic Church to be a Christian?

[marke]

Can a person join Pagan beliefs to Christianity and be a Judaeo Christian? Do you even know what Pagan beliefs are? Is it OK to join Paganism to God? Would God or Jesus approve? My people are distroyed for lack of knowledge! That would be, the lack of knowledge of what is evil.
Read the new testament. Then you won't have to ask questions like this.

God bless

[JTLauder]

The confusion in answering this question stems from the fact that different people have different definitions of what is a "Christian".

The looser, secular definition of a "Christian" as defined by Merriam-Websters is simply someone who believes in the teaching of Jesus Christ. People who define "Christianity" in this context may or may not believe Jesus Christ as the Son of God or the Messiah or that he is the Savior of one's soul, but that rather he was a great human philosopher with teachings valuable to humanity.

If this is the definition this thread is running on, then I am sure there are Pagan principles and practices that may mirror "Christian" teachings.

But since the OP specifically points to the "Judeo-Christian" tradition (and by "tradition" I'm not necessarily referring to the "Tradition" of the Catholic Church), he is making reference to the stricter Judeo-Christian tradition of Jesus Christ being the Messiah, Savior, and Son of God, ergo part of the tri-head of God described in the Bible and tradition. So that is the definition of Christian" we need to use for this thread.

I don't know anything about Pagan beliefs or practices, but what I do know is that it is rather free-form and open to other and all other "gods". However, this is a clear and absolute violation of the foundation of Judeo-Christianity that denounces all other gods except the one true God Jehovah.

I'm not sure what the OP's intent of this thread, there seems to be some hidden purpose he is hesitant to reveal. But if he is asking if there is anything about Paganism that he can do or believe that might be a conflict with Christianity, then all he has to do is look in the Bible. Why the Bible? Because it is the single source most accepted reference of what would be considered adherence to "Judeo-Christianity". So all he has to do is see if what Pagan practice and belief he is questioning and see if there are any conflicts about it in the Bible.

[JTLauder]

And I don't understand all this talk and worry about "offending Christians"?!

True, posts should remain respectful and inviting participation without ridicule or vulgarity. But aside from the common etiquette that should be practiced in all forums and elsewhere, no Christian should be "offended" about anything said in regards to Christianity if they are to be able to properly defend it. Are you so threatened that you cannot stand firm in your faith knowing what you believe and open to hard questions that you just turn your back on people and cry that you've been "offended"?

Just look at Jesus. He might have gotten mad and upset with hypocrites, but he never shied away from any topic. He was not afraid to challenge people and answer them directly yet still remain respectful doing it. And however you define a "Christian", that is a model to emulate.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

And I don't understand all this talk and worry about "offending Christians"?!

True, posts should remain respectful and inviting participation without ridicule or vulgarity. But aside from the common etiquette that should be practiced in all forums and elsewhere, no Christian should be "offended" about anything said in regards to Christianity if they are to be able to properly defend it. Are you so threatened that you cannot stand firm in your faith knowing what you believe and open to hard questions that you just turn your back on people and cry that you've been "offended"?

Just look at Jesus. He might have gotten mad and upset with hypocrites, but he never shied away from any topic. He was not afraid to challenge people and answer them directly yet still remain respectful doing it. And however you define a "Christian", that is a model to emulate.The problem were having here, is that some Christians feel that it is an attack upon their faith, to present some biblical or historical facts. It puts them on the defencieve.:doh:

[Eccl12and13]

By bringing up what is Pagan practices we would offend about 99.9% of Christianity. Most Christians do not think about some of the things they do, or where the practice comes from. We can only beat around the bush about it.


Like the response one gets after they sneeze?

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Like the response one gets after they sneeze?Something like that.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus::)

I would like to commend all posters for their insights and views; as to wrestling with the spirit, on Paganism and pure Judeo Christians.:hug:

First I would say, there is only One pure Judeo Christian; And that is Jesus, the Glory and perfection of God. Which all others including me, fall short of this Glory. Also I believe we are all paganised in one form or another, as it is a form of satanism of mans vanities.

But it is a great thread; and merits praise for self examination of doctrines of men.

I believe there are several forms of Judaic Christianity of merit; which is Pauls writings, and Peters writings which are two forms of true Judaic Christianity.

But western pagan influenced Christians; have divorced themselves from their Jewish roots; which are the foundation of true Christianity which is Judaism with Jesus as Messiah.

And the Paganism found today in Christian doctrines and precepts taught by men. Is the " wild grapes" and " pollutions of God inheritance" prophesied and spoken of by the prophets and disciples. And as prophesied, we are the descendants of the " blind leading the blind". And Gods words are always right and correct.

And also because of pagan doctrinal religions of denominations; we have followers of "precepts of men", and not true worshipers, but the "Unlearned" of men(Isaiah 29:10). Which hold to faith in doctrines of denominations opposed to Gods words and truths alone. Its why we have thousands of opinions and religious denominations by precepts of men; which is out of, Only One truth, Gods words, which is all the denomination and religion one needs. God and his word alone. With a little faith.

But I praise all who wrestle to find Gods hidden truths.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless Christians in forum, and all those who use it.:wave:
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[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Greetings in the name of Jesus::)

I would like to commend all posters for their insights and views; as to wrestling with the spirit, on Paganism and pure Judeo Christians.:hug:

First I would say, there is only One pure Judeo Christian; And that is Jesus, the Glory and perfection of God. Which all others including me, fall short of this Glory. Also I believe we are all paganised in one form or another, as it is a form of satanism of mans vanities.

But it is a great thread; and merits praise for self examination of doctrines of men.

I believe there are several forms of Judaic Christianity of merit; which is Pauls writings, and Peters writings which are two forms of true Judaic Christianity.

But western pagan influenced Christians; have divorced themselves from their Jewish roots; which are the foundation of true Christianity which is Judaism with Jesus as Messiah.

And the Paganism found today in Christian doctrines and precepts taught by men. Is the " wild grapes" and " pollutions of God inheritance" prophesied and spoken of by the prophets and disciples. And as prophesied, we are the descendants of the " blind leading the blind". And Gods words are always right and correct.

And also because of pagan doctrinal religions of denominations; we have followers of "precepts of men", and not true worshipers, but the "Unlearned" of men(Isaiah 29:10). Which hold to faith in doctrines of denominations opposed to Gods words and truths alone. Its why we have thousands of opinions and religious denominations by precepts of men; which is out of, Only One truth, Gods words, which is all the denomination and religion one needs. God and his word alone. With a little faith.

But I praise all who wrestle to find Gods hidden truths.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless Christians in forum, and all those who use it.:wave:
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