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Ben12
23rd September 2007, 12:01 AM
The Lord knows how to rescue/deliver the godly out of temptation and to reserve the unrighteous unto the day of judgement to be punished... -2 Peter 2:9-

Punishment=Kolasis

Kolasis=

Correction.

Punishment.

Penalty.

Kolasis Rooted In Kolazo

Kolazo=

1. To lop or prune, as trees and wings.

2. To curb, check, restrain.

3. To chastise. To correct. Punishment .

4. To cause to be punished.

Correction=

Alteration that improves: An alteration that removes an error.

Punishment meant to improve: Punishment, especially meant to improve or reform the person punished.

Law treatment of offenders: The system of dealing with criminals by improvement, rehabilitation, parole, probation.

Treatment of a specific defect.

The act of offering an improvement to replace a mistake. Something substituted for an error.

A rebuke for making a mistake.

The act of punishing.

Removing of errors: The removing of errors from something or the indicating of errors in something.

The act or process of correcting.

Something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate.

Rectification/ modification/ adjustment/ amending.

Amendation.

Rectification.

Rectification=

To set right. To correct.

To purify.

To correct by removing errors.

To adjust.

A quantity applied by way of correcting.

The act or process of correcting.

Something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate.

Amendation.

To correct something or make something right.

The act of rectifying or the fact of being rectified.

To correct by calculation or adjustment.

To adjust.

To fix/ repair/ remedy/ amend/ correct/ redress/ put to right/ to straighten/ to reform/ to adjust something.

The act of amending, correcting or setting right that which is wrong or erroneous.

"Vessels of wrath fitted to destruction"

Fitted= Katartizo=

To mend what has been broken or rent.

To repair.

To complete/ put in order/ to arrange/ to adjust.

To make one what he aught to be.

Ben12
23rd September 2007, 12:05 AM
Final score 20 parable; 8 not:clap:

JHM
23rd September 2007, 12:52 AM
With reference to your first post in this thread : True. Are we to suppose therefore that eternal damnation means the punishment of those who reject correction in spite of all efforts?

RefrusRevlis
24th September 2007, 07:44 AM
What's your point? 2 Peter 2:9 teaches the existence and punishment between death and the judgment. Eternal punishment (after the judgment) is taught in other verses. Not all of the definitions of kolaso infer punishment for the sake of reformation or rectification; the word punishment does not necessarily infer what our 21st century minds would assume. Punishment is also just punishment too, like execution.

refrus

Nadiine
24th September 2007, 04:38 PM
Final score 20 parable; 8 not:clap:
Oh dear.
So 28 people on "Foru.ms" are the deciding factor if Luke 16 is actually a parable or not?
lol :sorry: :swoon:

Me thinks you take these forums a bit too seriously ben. Seriously.:doh:

It also doesn't matter either way bcuz it still teaches torment, and if it IS a parable, it lends itself equally as well to the same meaning a story would - if not moreso since parables are a simplistic likeness of the literal principle being taught.

I don't see what difference it makes in the big picture since it changes nothing.

Nadiine
24th September 2007, 04:41 PM
What's your point? 2 Peter 2:9 teaches the existence and punishment between death and the judgment. Eternal punishment (after the judgment) is taught in other verses.
Not all of the definitions of kolaso infer punishment for the sake of reformation or rectification; the word punishment does not necessarily infer what our 21st century minds would assume. Punishment is also just punishment too, like execution.

agreed :thumbsup:

Zecryphon
24th September 2007, 05:33 PM
What's your point? 2 Peter 2:9 teaches the existence and punishment between death and the judgment. Eternal punishment (after the judgment) is taught in other verses. Not all of the definitions of kolaso infer punishment for the sake of reformation or rectification; the word punishment does not necessarily infer what our 21st century minds would assume. Punishment is also just punishment too, like execution.

refrus

His ultimate point will be this: If you think that God will punish people for all eternity, then you have only a carnal understanding of the scriptures and do not understand the deeper meaning. You are ignoring the teaching of the Spirit in favor of the teachings of carnal man and their corrupted doctrines and Bible translations. You will be declared to be of "Baby lon" and not ready for the mature meat of the Bible, but are only able to stomach the milk meant for babes.

Zecryphon
24th September 2007, 05:35 PM
Oh dear.
So 28 people on "Foru.ms" are the deciding factor if Luke 16 is actually a parable or not?
lol :sorry: :swoon:

Me thinks you take these forums a bit too seriously ben. Seriously.:doh:

It also doesn't matter either way bcuz it still teaches torment, and if it IS a parable, it lends itself equally as well to the same meaning a story would - if not moreso since parables are a simplistic likeness of the literal principle being taught.

I don't see what difference it makes in the big picture since it changes nothing.
I voted that it is a parable, but that it is teaching a lesson on eternal damnation. It had never crossed my mind to think of it as not being a parable because the names of actual people were being used.

Cris413
24th September 2007, 05:44 PM
I didn't vote...least I don't remember voting...but I would have voted this ia an actual account of Lazarus the beggar...simply because he's named...

I agree...actual account or parable...makes no difference ...the message is still the same.

Nadiine
24th September 2007, 06:00 PM
You will be declared to be of "Baby lon" and not ready for the mature meat of the Bible, but are only able to stomach the milk meant for babes.
I hope he has some Hershey's chocolate for my milk, I kinda like that stuff.

*wiping milk moustache* :sorry:

Zecryphon
25th September 2007, 10:11 AM
I hope he has some Hershey's chocolate for my milk, I kinda like that stuff.

*wiping milk moustache* :sorry:
Did ya ever put it in your coffee? That's what I do in the winter months here in AZ. A little Hershey's Chocolate Syrup, some peppermint creamer, and whipped cream. Yummy stuff. Yet fattening somehow. :confused:

Nadiine
25th September 2007, 10:37 AM
Did ya ever put it in your coffee? That's what I do in the winter months here in AZ. A little Hershey's Chocolate Syrup, some peppermint creamer, and whipped cream. Yummy stuff. Yet fattening somehow. :confused:
I'm not really into adding stuff into my coffee - I'm a regular coffee kinda girl - straight Columbian w/ some cream (did you know caffeine leaches calcium out of the bones? - it's good to get extra calcium if you drink coffee; or just add cream & it solves the problem). :pink:

Maybe if I drink some later this afternoon I'll try some in there... it might be really good, thanks :angel: