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ozell
20th September 2007, 11:18 AM
Paul - The Apostle to the Gentiles When asked, what is a Gentile, it is commonly answered anyone who is not Jewish.Most modern day Christians are taught that they are Gentiles. So who or what is a Gentile? Is Paul a Gentile? First of all, Gentile is a lineage of people. All of the Europeans (the people commonly referred to as white or Caucasian) are Gentiles. We will identify these people through the scriptures. Genesis 10:1-5 - "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal , and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah,and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations". The sons of Japheth are the people known as Gentiles. Now lets break down these families: Gomer (Celtics), Magog (Russia), Madai (Medes), Javan (Greece, Syria), Tubal (south of the Black Sea, Spain), Meshech (Russia), Tiras (Thracians).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:22 AM
When asked, what is a Gentile, it is commonly answered anyone who is not Jewish. Most modern day Christians are taught that they are Gentiles. So who or what is a Gentile? Is Paul a Gentile?
First of all, Gentile is a lineage of people. All of the Europeans (the people commonly referred to as white or Caucasian) are Gentiles.
We will identify these people through the scriptures.
Genesis 10:1-5 - "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal , and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. And the sons of Javan; Elishah,and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations".
The sons of Japheth are the people known as Gentiles.
Now lets break down these families: Gomer (Celtics), Magog (Russia), Madai (Medes), Javan (Greece, Syria), Tubal (south of the Black Sea, Spain), Meshech (Russia), Tiras (Thracians).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:23 AM
Rome (Romans)
The most celebrated city in the world at the time of Christ. It is said to have been founded B.C. 753. When the New Testament was written, Rome was enriched and adorned with the spoils of the world, and contained a population estimated at 1,200,000, of which the half were slaves, and including representatives of nearly every nation then known.
It was distinguished for its wealth and luxury and profligacy. The empire of which it was the capital had then reached its greatest prosperity.
Paul was brought to this city a prisoner, where he remained for two years (Acts 28:30, 31) "in his own hired house." While here, Paul wrote his epistles to the Philippians, to the Ephesians, to the Colossians, to Philemon, and probably also to the Hebrews.
He had during these years for companions Luke and Aristarchus (Acts 27:2), Timothy (Phil. 1:1; Col. 1:1), Tychicus (Eph. 6: 21), Epaphroditus (Phil. 4:18), and John Mark (Col. 4:10).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:24 AM
Thessalonica (Thessalonians)
A large and populous city on the Thermaic bay. It was the capital of one of the four Roman districts of Macedonia, and was ruled by a praetor.
It was named after Thessalonica, the wife of Cassander, who built the city. She was so called by her father, Philip, because he first heard of her birth on the day of his gaining a victory over the Thessalians. On his second missionary journey, Paul preached in the synagogue here, the chief synagogue of the Jews in that part of Macedonia, and laid the foundations of a church (Acts 17:1-4; 1 Thes. 1:9). The violence of the Jews drove him from the city, when he fled to Berea (Acts 17:5-10).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:25 AM
Philippi (Phillipians)
Formerly Crenides, "the fountain," the capital of the province of Macedonia. It stood near the head of the Sea, about 8 miles northwest of Kavalla. It is now a ruined village, called Philibedjik. Philip of Macedonia fortified the old Thracian town of Crenides, and called it after his own name Philippi (B.C. 359-336). In the time of the Emperor Augustus this city became a Roman colony, i.e., a military settlement of Roman soldiers, there planted for the purpose of controlling the district recently conquered. It was a "miniature Rome," under the municipal law of Rome, and governed by military officers, called duumviri, who were appointed directly from Rome. Having been providentially guided thither, here Paul and his companion Silas preached the gospel and formed the first church in Europe.
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:26 AM
Corinth (Corrinthians)
A Grecian city, on the isthmus which joins the Peloponnesus to the mainland of Greece. It is about 48 miles west of Athens. The ancient city was destroyed by the Romans (B.C. 146), and that mentioned in the New Testament was quite a new city, having been rebuilt about a century afterwards and peopled by a colony of freedmen from Rome.
It became under the Romans the seat of government for Southern Greece or Achaia (Acts 18:12-16). It was noted for its wealth, and for the luxurious and immoral and vicious habits of the people. It had a large mixed population of Romans, Greeks, and Jews.
When Paul first visited the city (A.D.51 or 52), Gallio, the brother of Seneca, was proconsul. Here Paul resided for eighteen months (18:1-18). Here he first became aquainted with Aquila and Priscilla, and soon after his departure Apollos came to it from Ephesus. After an interval he visited it a second time, and remained for three months (20:3).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:27 AM
Ephesus (Ephesians)
The capital of proconsular Asia, which was the western part of Asia Minor. It was colonized principally from Athens.
In the time of the Romans it bore the title of "the first and greatest metropolis of Asia." It was distinguished for the Temple of Diana (q.v.), who there had her chief shrine; and for its theatre, which was the largest in the world, capable of containing 50,000 spectators.
It was, like all ancient theatres, open to the sky. Here were exhibited the fights of wild beasts and of men with beasts. (Comp. 1 Cor. 4:9; 9:24, 25; 15:32.)
Many Jews took up their residence in this city, and here the seeds of the gospel were sown immediately after Pentecost (Acts 2:9; 6:9). At the close of his second missionary journey (about A.D. 51), when Paul was returning from Greece to Syria (18:18-21), he first visited this city.
He remained, however, for only a short time, as he was hastening to keep the feast, probably of Pentecost, at Jerusalem; but he left Aquila and Priscilla behind him to carry on the work of spreading the gospel.
During his third missionary journey Paul reached Ephesus from the "upper coasts" (Acts 19:1), i.e., from the inland parts of Asia Minor, and tarried here for about three years; and so successful and abundant were his labors that "all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks" (19:10).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:28 AM
Antioch
In Syria, on the river Orontes, about 16 miles from the Mediterranean, and some 300 miles north of Jerusalem. It was the metropolis of Syria, and afterwards became the capital of the Roman province in Asia.
It ranked third, after Rome and Alexandria, in point of importance, of the cities of the Roman empire. It was called the "first city of the East." Christianity was early introduced into it (Acts 11:19, 21, 24), and the name "Christian" was first applied here to its professors (Acts 11:26). It is intimately connected with the early history of the gospel (Acts 6:5; 11:19, 27, 28, 30; 12:25; 15:22-35; Gal. 2:11, 12).
In the extreme north of Pisidia; was visited by Paul and Barnabas on the first missionary journey (Acts 13:14). Here they found a synagogue and many proselytes. They met with great success in preaching the gospel, but the Jews stirred up a violent opposition against them, and they were obliged to leave the place. On his return, Paul again visited Antioch for the purpose of confirming the disciples (Acts 14:21).
ozell
20th September 2007, 11:29 AM
Caesarea
(Palestinae), a city on the shore of the Mediterranean, on the great road from Tyre to Egypt, about 70 miles northwest of Jerusalem, at the northern extremity of the plain of Sharon.
It was built by Herod the Great (B.C. 10), who named it after Caesar Augustus, hence called Caesarea Sebaste (Gr. Sebastos = "Augustus"), on the site of an old town called "Strato's Tower." It was the capital of the Roman province of Judaea, the seat of the governors or procurators, and the headquarters of the Roman troops.
It was the great Gentile city of Palestine, with a spacious artificial harbor. It was adorned with many buildings of great splendor, after the manner of the Roman cities of the West. Here Cornelius the centurion was converted through the instrumentality of Peter (Acts 10:1, 24), and thus for the first time the door of faith was opened to the Gentiles.
Philip the evangelist resided here with his four daughters (21:8). From this place Saul sailed for his native Tarsus when forced to flee from Jerusalem (9:30), and here he landed when returning from his second missionary journey (18:22). He remained as a prisoner here for two years before his voyage to Rome (Acts 24:27; 25:1, 4, 6, 13).
Here on a "set day," when games were celebrated in the theatre in honor of the emperor Claudius, Herod Agrippa I. appeared among the people in great pomp, and in the midst of the idolatrous homage paid to him was suddenly smitten by an angel, and carried out a dying man.
He was "eaten of worms" (12:19-23), thus perishing by the same loathsome disease as his grandfather, Herod the Great. It still retains its ancient name Kaiseriyeh, but is now desolate. "The present inhabitants of the ruins are snakes, scorpions, lizards, wild boars, and jackals." It is described as the most desolate city of all Palestine.
So as we see, Caucasians are Gentiles.
Lastly, let us conclude with the identity of Paul. Some feel that he is a Gentile. But let us read what Paul wrote in Romans 11:1, "I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
Ben12
20th September 2007, 01:07 PM
No one seems to care; nor do I see any comment. But this gentile understanding is very important to what God is doing to the whole earth. I am not a Hebrew scholar but I heard the word British means “Covenant Man” (Brit Ish) in Hebrew. I find that as an eye opener. I feel the Gentiles are the Lost tribes of Israel; not to get off on the tangent of British Israelism; which gets a bit strange. But where are the ten lost tribes.
Then you have Judah; which is the chosen tribe for the Messiah. As well as the tribe of Benjamin which was the only full brother of Joseph that were not lost but was absorbed in the tribe of Judah but seldom mentioned. I believe Judah speaks of Jesus; where Benjamin speaks of the overcomer.
Tavita
20th September 2007, 02:01 PM
Yes, that's true Ben. The ten lost tribes have been dispersed into the Gentile nations. Jesus bought the 'field' of the world for the treasure within the field, Israel. And it does have to do with the priesthood.
If you notice the references made in the NT, that the Apostles addressed the ten lost tribes, knowing they made up most of the Church.
The ten northern tribes of the House of Israel were carried off to Assyria in 735BC, and then over time migrated to nations all over the world (Great Britain, America, Australia, Russia, Europe, etc), in accordance with the promise made to Abraham that his seed would fill the nations. The majority of the house of Israel did not go back to Israel. The ten lost tribes have become so 'gentilized' over time that they are unrecognizable, but God knows who they are.
Act 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made to our fathers by God,
Act 26:7 to which promise our twelve tribes hope to attain, serving God fervently night and day. For the sake of this hope, king Agrippa, I am accused by the Jews.
Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes in the Dispersion, greeting:
By this stage many of the House of Judah, which included Benjamin and Levi had been dispersed through Babylon into the world too.
Mat 10:6 But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God made this same Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Note: the House of Israel is not the House of Judah (the Jews).
However, when Christ died on the cross He joined once again the House of Judah with the House of Israel, within His new covenant.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For He is our peace, He making us both one, and He has broken down the middle wall of partition between us,
Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;
Eph 2:16 and so that He might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity in Himself.
Eph 2:17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off, and to those who were near.
Eph 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He said to them, "Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be,
Heb 8:9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt," because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says the Lord.
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
And we also know that God has said if a true Gentile wanted to worship Him, he was then considered as an Israelite, with all the privileges God had given His people...
Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall stay with you, and desires to keep the Passover to Jehovah, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it. And he shall be as one that is born in the land. And no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.
Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 by a new and living way which He has consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say, His flesh;
ozell
20th September 2007, 05:30 PM
No one seems to care; nor do I see any comment. But this gentile understanding is very important to what God is doing to the whole earth. I am not a Hebrew scholar but I heard the word British means “Covenant Man” (Brit Ish) in Hebrew. I find that as an eye opener. I feel the Gentiles are the Lost tribes of Israel; not to get off on the tangent of British Israelism; which gets a bit strange. But where are the ten lost tribes.
Then you have Judah; which is the chosen tribe for the Messiah. As well as the tribe of Benjamin which was the only full brother of Joseph that were not lost but was absorbed in the tribe of Judah but seldom mentioned. I believe Judah speaks of Jesus; where Benjamin speaks of the overcomer.
I have to disagree with you on the british being one of the lost tribe of Israel
the british are one of the sons of Japhat.
The 10 tribes were taken into captivity by the Assyrians long before the Gentiles came to power.
The tribe of Judah and benjamin and Levi came later were taken into captivity by the babylonians, then Romans.
bless you and tavita for responding.
people don't care because there pastors have dumbed them down into thinking that people don't matter in the bible
God created the nations, he created the languages,
people, nations and tongues matter.
when you understand people and there orgin you understand there behavior and there culture.
JHM
21st September 2007, 12:06 AM
Ozell, I thus far have agreed with what you have said, (what I have read of it); but this time, I have to rain a bit on your parade. You say that the Gentiles are whites descended from Japheth. That contradicts The Archbishop Lawrence version of the Book of Enoch Ch 88 V 13 which states :
"One of the three cows was white (Shem) resembling that cow; one of them was red as blood (Japheth), and one of them was black (Ham). And the white cow was left."
Tavita
21st September 2007, 01:07 AM
I have to disagree with you on the british being one of the lost tribe of Israel
the british are one of the sons of Japhat.
The 10 tribes were taken into captivity by the Assyrians long before the Gentiles came to power.
The tribe of Judah and benjamin and Levi came later were taken into captivity by the babylonians, then Romans.
Hi ozell,
The Assyrians were Gentiles and were the major power in the time of the Dispersion.
The Babylonians were Gentiles and a major power in the time of the House of Judah's Dispersion.
The ten tribes were dispersed through these empires into the rest of the world and have been on the move for the last two and a half thousand years.
Only a small portion of Judah, Benjamin and Levi came back to Jerusalem after the captivity.
If you read Yair Davidy's site you will learn the migration patterns. As a Jew he has studied this for years on behalf of the Jews who are still waiting for the lost ten tribes to come back (most synagogues pray for their return every sabbath). They do not recognize that the Christian Church, or, believer's in Christ, are the lost tribes.
http://www.britam.org
Many of the cultures and languages of the world have been influenced by the Hebrews in their migrations.
When Paul took the gospel of the Kingdom to the Gentiles he was taking it to both the House of Israel who had become 'gentilized', and the Gentiles (the rest of the world).
Jesus Christ has bought the whole field.. the whole world. And now 'in Christ' neither Jew nor Gentile means anything anymore, we are a new creation. Christ inaugurated a new and living way. We are Kings and Priests unto God. So, we cannot say it is not good enough to have a Gentile teacher... in the Kingdom there are NO Gentiles.
The nation of Israel were to be a kingdom of Priests...
Exo 19:5 And now if you will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure to Me above all the nations; for all the earth is Mine.
Exo 19:6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the sons of Israel.
Revelation says...
Rev 1:5 even from Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Rev 1:6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Now that Christ has raise up Jacob, "Isa 49:6 And He said, It is but a little thing that You should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to bring back the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You for a light to the nations, to be My salvation to the end of the earth."
and has inaugurated the new covenant, the new and living way, God has His kings and priests.
*There is a higher purpose involved in having a nation of kings and priests.
amadeus2
21st September 2007, 09:26 AM
The 'gentiles' are more precisely 'animals' or 'heathen'. The natural Israelites referred to everyone not born of the 12 tribes of Israels as 'gentiles'.
I believe, however, that anyone is who a spiritual 'heathen' or non-believer in God and His Son, Jesus, is a 'gentile'. On the other hand, anyone who is a believer in God and His Son, Jesus, is an Israelite. Any of Jacobs 12 natural sons who personally failed in their walk with God is not an Israelite in the eyes of God. The same is true of all of their natural descendents. John the Baptist cast aside the pretense of natural descendents of Abraham that they were something special because of their natural bloodline to Abraham the grandfather of Jacob:
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." Matt 3:9-10
Jesus clarifies this further:
"I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." John 8:37-39
First he confirmed that they were the seed of Abraham in verse 37, but His words in verse 39 confirm that in His previous words in verse 37 He was simply confirming that they were in Abrahams' natural bloodline. Since they were not doing the 'works of Abraham, in God's eyes, they were not the children of Abraham. Likewise they were not the children of Israel that God sought and loved as His Son, in spite of whatever bloodlines they might establish through genealogies.
The ones who are not the children of Abraham in God's eyes then and now are those who are gentiles or heathen in their action or lack of action. There have never been but two groups of people in God eyes: those who believe in Him and those who do not.
Remember that of the multitudes of natural Israelites (well in excess of a million) led out of Egypt by God through Moses, only 2 (Caleb and Joshua) of all those above 20 years old were allowed into the promised land. This was because of unbelief. In spite of all the miracles performed by God on their behalf within their natural sight, the vast majority of natural Israelites rejected God and paid the price. They were the heathens ro gentiles to God. They were the real gentiles even as the unbelievers today, natural Jew or natural gentiles, are the real gentiles today. The believers today are also the Israelites in God's eyes.
JHM
22nd September 2007, 03:19 PM
Detail this but the actual number was somewhere upwards of 600,000; but less than 700,000. I added up the totals of the members of each of the twelve tribes years ago. Also worked out the years of birth and death of all of the patriarchs as measured in years from the creation of Adam. Surprizingly Abraham, (Abram- the first Jew and the man God led to the promised land), was born either in the year 1946 or 1948. The reason for the two different answers is that there is a two year discrepancy in the geneologies in Genesis pertaining to the year that Noah's grandson Arpachshad was born and the date may be calculated in either of two different ways. Of course 1946 was the year that those Jews who survived the Holocaust; and elected to emigrate to Israel, began arriving. (Spending time in British concentration camps in the interim). 1948 of course was the year Israel was founded. Coincidence ? I don't think so.
spiritwarrior37
24th September 2007, 10:04 PM
Was Paul a Gentile? The answer to this question is no. Saul,his birth name, was born a Jew. He studied under one of the greatest Pharisees, Gamaliel.
Nadiine
25th September 2007, 08:20 AM
Acts 16 (of Paul and Silas):
20 and when they had brought them to the chief magistrates, they said, "These men are throwing our city into confusion, being Jews.
Acts 22 (Pauls defense):
"Brethren and fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you."
2 And when they heard that he was addressing them in the Hebrew dialect, they became even more quiet; and he said,
3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God just as you all are today.
4 "I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and putting both men and women into prisons, 5 as also the high priest and all the Council of the elders can testify From them I also received letters to the brethren, and started off for Damascus in order to bring even those who were there to Jerusalem as prisoners to be punished.
Paul was a JEW, sent by God to the Gentiles after the Jews continually set out to persecute him. Paul's own claim is that He's a Jew and others knew he was too by calling him one.
ozell
6th October 2007, 06:21 PM
Asshur was built and inhabited by hamites
Gen10v
6: And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
7: And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
8: And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9: He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
10: And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
11: Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
Asshur is also a son of Shem.
Gen 10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
assyria or asshur cannot be gentiles.
ozell
6th October 2007, 06:24 PM
Was Paul a Gentile? The answer to this question is no. Saul,his birth name, was born a Jew. He studied under one of the greatest Pharisees, Gamaliel.
Paul is actually a benjamite from the tribe of benjamin.
named after the 1st king of Israel Saul.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Phil 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
ozell
6th October 2007, 06:36 PM
The 'gentiles' are more precisely 'animals' or 'heathen'. The natural Israelites referred to everyone not born of the 12 tribes of Israels as 'gentiles'.
I believe, however, that anyone is who a spiritual 'heathen' or non-believer in God and His Son, Jesus, is a 'gentile'. On the other hand, anyone who is a believer in God and His Son, Jesus, is an Israelite. Any of Jacobs 12 natural sons who personally failed in their walk with God is not an Israelite in the eyes of God. The same is true of all of their natural descendents. John the Baptist cast aside the pretense of natural descendents of Abraham that they were something special because of their natural bloodline to Abraham the grandfather of Jacob:
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." Matt 3:9-10
Jesus clarifies this further:
"I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." John 8:37-39
First he confirmed that they were the seed of Abraham in verse 37, but His words in verse 39 confirm that in His previous words in verse 37 He was simply confirming that they were in Abrahams' natural bloodline. Since they were not doing the 'works of Abraham, in God's eyes, they were not the children of Abraham. Likewise they were not the children of Israel that God sought and loved as His Son, in spite of whatever bloodlines they might establish through genealogies.
The ones who are not the children of Abraham in God's eyes then and now are those who are gentiles or heathen in their action or lack of action. There have never been but two groups of people in God eyes: those who believe in Him and those who do not.
Remember that of the multitudes of natural Israelites (well in excess of a million) led out of Egypt by God through Moses, only 2 (Caleb and Joshua) of all those above 20 years old were allowed into the promised land. This was because of unbelief. In spite of all the miracles performed by God on their behalf within their natural sight, the vast majority of natural Israelites rejected God and paid the price. They were the heathens ro gentiles to God. They were the real gentiles even as the unbelievers today, natural Jew or natural gentiles, are the real gentiles today. The believers today are also the Israelites in God's eyes.
is benjamin a gentile or Jew?
is Moses and Aaron a Jew or Levite?
can the son's of Ham be gentiles or are a they hamites?
Heathen in the bible means nations.
Gentiles in the bible means the son's of Japhath
Gen10v
1: Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2: The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3: And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4: And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5: By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
keep in mind that Jesus did not send the apostles to the gentiles.
Mt 10:
2: Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3: Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4: Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
one must ask where did the 12 apsotles go teach?
it is forsure that they DID not go to the son's of Japhath who is the father of the gentiles.
ozell
6th October 2007, 06:48 PM
Yes, that's true Ben. The ten lost tribes have been dispersed into the Gentile nations. Jesus bought the 'field' of the world for the treasure within the field, Israel. And it does have to do with the priesthood.
If you notice the references made in the NT, that the Apostles addressed the ten lost tribes, knowing they made up most of the Church.
The ten northern tribes of the House of Israel were carried off to Assyria in 735BC, and then over time migrated to nations all over the world (Great Britain, America, Australia, Russia, Europe, etc), in accordance with the promise made to Abraham that his seed would fill the nations. The majority of the house of Israel did not go back to Israel. The ten lost tribes have become so 'gentilized' over time that they are unrecognizable, but God knows who they are.
Act 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made to our fathers by God,
Act 26:7 to which promise our twelve tribes hope to attain, serving God fervently night and day. For the sake of this hope, king Agrippa, I am accused by the Jews.
Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes in the Dispersion, greeting:
By this stage many of the House of Judah, which included Benjamin and Levi had been dispersed through Babylon into the world too.
Mat 10:6 But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God made this same Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Note: the House of Israel is not the House of Judah (the Jews).
However, when Christ died on the cross He joined once again the House of Judah with the House of Israel, within His new covenant.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For He is our peace, He making us both one, and He has broken down the middle wall of partition between us,
Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;
Eph 2:16 and so that He might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity in Himself.
Eph 2:17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off, and to those who were near.
Eph 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He said to them, "Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be,
Heb 8:9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt," because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says the Lord.
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
And we also know that God has said if a true Gentile wanted to worship Him, he was then considered as an Israelite, with all the privileges God had given His people...
Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall stay with you, and desires to keep the Passover to Jehovah, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it. And he shall be as one that is born in the land. And no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.
Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 by a new and living way which He has consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say, His flesh;
The ten lost tribe were scattered amongst the assyrians
the assyrians are not Gentiles.
The Gentiles were not in power when the assyrains scattered Israel.
Jesus told the 12 apostles DO NOT go into the land of the gentiles. When Jesus said this the gentiles were ruling (rome)
so we know that the 10 tribes were not in gentiles land.
we know that Judah, Levi and benjamin was in Jersualem when Jesus was there.
we know that Nebuchadnezzar scattered Judah,
we know that Nebuchadnezzar is a Gentiles king.
we know that Judah was still under the gentile rulers of Medo Persia and Greece.
we know that Rome scattered the last 3 tribes after Jesus death and rising.
The 12 apostles did not disobey Jesus order and go into the land of the gentiles.
so where did the apostles go?
we know that Paul is the apsotles to the gentiles.
Deutoronomy 28v15-68 will tell you how to recognize the children of Israel in any country.
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