View Full Version : Am I being asked to resign??
GreenMunchkin
19th September 2007, 07:19 PM
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Listed mods.
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 07:22 PM
I think that is a mistake. My name wasn't added until I was a full mod. I think Hen's got added too soon rather than it is any reflection on you.
Lisa
Criada
19th September 2007, 07:23 PM
Is it praps cos you're stil training...
or does that apply to Hen too?
Whatever - no-one wants yo to resign!!!
:hug:
GreenMunchkin
19th September 2007, 07:24 PM
That actually seriously, seriously hurts.
Criada
19th September 2007, 07:25 PM
:hug: :hug: :hug:
MrJim
19th September 2007, 07:25 PM
That actually seriously, seriously hurts.
:hug:
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 07:28 PM
That actually seriously, seriously hurts.
Will you let me go fight for you privately?
Lisa
3girls2dogs
19th September 2007, 07:29 PM
I had this whole thing typed out, but I had better just hold my tongue right now. GM, I certainly don't want you to resign. I'm very angry about this whole thing at this point, and it doesn't sit well with me that the second a non-member mod is brought into the mix, these things start happening.
GreenMunchkin
19th September 2007, 07:30 PM
Will you let me go fight for you privately?
LisaThank you, sweetie, but look at that. Have been a trainee for nearly 3 weeks.
Support wanted me to mod for them so I think I should just do that. Am sitting here crying about it, and it's ridiculous.
MrJim
19th September 2007, 07:33 PM
:(
Criada
19th September 2007, 07:33 PM
Oh Anna....:hug: wish I could give yu a real hug, sweetie. You know that everyone here wants you as a mod....don't go, please. Just give it a bit of time.
If you go and stone stays, I think there may be a riot! :hug: love you!!
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 07:33 PM
Tishri is not even a member of the forum (http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38015162&postcount=1) and she is Admin here.
Better get all of this straightened out or this forum is a farce.
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 07:35 PM
Thank you, sweetie, but look at that. Have been a trainee for nearly 3 weeks.
Support wanted me to mod for them so I think I should just do that. Am sitting here crying about it, and it's ridiculous.
Going to PM...
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 07:37 PM
Ridiculous and incredibly insensitive.
GM has more right to be here than stone or tishri.
Just try this in OBOB. It would not be pretty
Lel
19th September 2007, 07:39 PM
Seriously, these lists aren't always kept up. Except in OBOB. :P
Criada
19th September 2007, 07:40 PM
That's not much consolaion when someone is hurt, really.
flaglady
19th September 2007, 07:44 PM
folks please, please, calm down. There is no conspiracy or angling here, Simply an administrative error.
I was being pushed to get a couple of recent successful candidates added to staff as trainees and the regular admin that does this was away so I went to an admin who doesn't do it as a rule. She inadvertently added Hentenza to the forum as well as made him a trainee.
He is being removed asap.
Other than that, all is well and every body else in place.
If peeps (anybody) would pm me and ask me first, I could get these little glitches sorted quickly without so much pain being experienced.
I am here to serve and to help. I wouldn't have had this happen for the world and I am sorry it has, truly. It was an accident and totally unintentional.
flaglady
Congregational Training Coordinator
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 07:47 PM
I was being pushed to get a couple of recent successful candidates added to staff as trainees
By whom?
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 07:48 PM
Why is Tishri an Admin here when she is not on the Member List?
Criada
19th September 2007, 07:50 PM
folks please, please, calm down. There is no conspiracy or angling here, Simply an administrative error.
I was being pushed to get a couple of recent successful candidates added to staff as trainees and the regular admin that does this was away so I went to an admin who doesn't do it as a rule. She inadvertently added Hentenza to the forum as well as made him a trainee.
He is being removed asap.
Other than that, all is well and every body else in place.
If peeps (anybody) would pm me and ask me first, I could get these little glitches sorted quickly without so much pain being experienced.
I am here to serve and to help. I wouldn't have had this happen for the world and I am sorry it has, truly. It was an accident and totally unintentional.
flaglady
Congregational Training Coordinator
Thank you for explaining. And sorry if we seemed to be over reacting - but Anna is very special to us!
:hug:
3girls2dogs
19th September 2007, 07:51 PM
Other than that, all is well and every body else in place.
flaglady
Congregational Training Coordinator
If everybody is in place, that means that Stone has already been decided on, even though we haven't finished voting, then. Would that be a correct assumption? Because I just want to be clear on this issue.
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 07:53 PM
If everybody is in place, that means that Stone has already been decided on, even though we haven't finished voting, then. Would that be a correct assumption? Because I just want to be clear on this issue.
No. If that were the case, there would be pretty big reprecussions on Tishri and Jo. It is a mistake, pure and simple. If Stone is NOT voted in, he will not mod this forum. You have my word on that.
I cannot promise that we will not lose Greenie to another forum though if "they" do not do something for her soon.
Lisa
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 07:54 PM
If everybody is in place, that means that Stone has already been decided on, even though we haven't finished voting, then. Would that be a correct assumption? Because I just want to be clear on this issue.
Sigh.
Do we need to vote stone down for upper staff to get the message that this is not acceptable and would not be tolerated in other fora.
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 07:55 PM
Was Tishri voted in?
Why is she not on the member list?
~*Lady Trekki*~
19th September 2007, 07:58 PM
Thank you, sweetie, but look at that. Have been a trainee for nearly 3 weeks.
Support wanted me to mod for them so I think I should just do that. Am sitting here crying about it, and it's ridiculous.
Anna...are we not the people who would have you mod us? Did we not vote you in? Bottom line is what WE want ok? :hug:
On a sidenote...I think someone needs to spank whoever made the mistake. That was a HUGE boo boo. :|
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:03 PM
GM, please stay. We need you here. You understand the forum.
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:08 PM
Trainee's are not assigned to forums. So it's not an insult, or a slight. Only when you pass your training, are you added to a forum. Relax. Breathe deep. All mod's go through this. :)
If you're passed training, and haven't been added. PM me and I'll get you added. Yet another reason we need a larger HR dept.
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:09 PM
Was Tishri voted in?
Why is she not on the member list?She's an Admin.
SuperMod's and Admins are granted "region-wide" powers which means they can work any forum that falls under their teams domain.
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:10 PM
She's an Admin.
SuperMod's and Admins are granted "region-wide" powers which means they can work any forum that falls under their teams domain.
Then put her in OBOB.
Let's see if what is good for us is good for them.
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:12 PM
Then put her in OBOB.
What does OBOB have to do with this? Stop obsessing. Besides, I'm just the messenger ... but I won't just take crud and keep quiet. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
Let's see if what is good for us is good for them.Listen, it's not like I had anything to do with it. I didn't add her. AFAIK, she wanted to be added here to assist in training our new mod's and when that was done ... she's out.
Do I think it's necessary? No, I don't. Do I get to make that call? No, I don't.
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 08:13 PM
Trainee's are not assigned to forums. So it's not an insult, or a slight. Only when you pass your training, are you added to a forum. Relax. Breathe deep. All mod's go through this. :)
If you're passed training, and haven't been added. PM me and I'll get you added. Yet another reason we need a larger HR dept.
She passed her quiz three weeks ago, but you better check with Tishri on that. I do not understand why but they are not letting her have her mod badge right away. I got mine the day after I passed my quiz, but something has changed in the Congregational training. I just do not know what or how it related.
Lisa
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:13 PM
Equity, my brother. Do unto CC as you would do unto OBOB.
Criada
19th September 2007, 08:14 PM
She passed her quiz three weeks ago, but you better check with Tishri on that. I do not understand why but they are not letting her have her mod badge right away. I got mine the day after I passed my quiz, but something has changed in the Congregational training. I just do not know what or how it related.
Lisa
seems completely unjust.
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:15 PM
Equity, my brother. Do unto CC as you would do unto OBOB.Uhhh, sure Steve. Sure.
If it had been anyone else to answer, aside from me ... your response would have been different. Pound sand.
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:15 PM
She passed her quiz three weeks ago, but you better check with Tishri on that. I do not understand why but they are not letting her have her mod badge right away. I got mine the day after I passed my quiz, but something has changed in the Congregational training. I just do not know what or how it related.
Lisa
NYJ, this smells really bad.
You really think other fora would like this treatment?
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 08:16 PM
seems completely unjust.
Well, I can't disagree, but I don't know what the reason is. So, it is hard for me to comment.
Lisa
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:16 PM
She passed her quiz three weeks ago, but you better check with Tishri on that. I do not understand why but they are not letting her have her mod badge right away. I got mine the day after I passed my quiz, but something has changed in the Congregational training. I just do not know what or how it related.
Lisa
Because, HR is slow. It's one person, and that one person just logged in today after a 10 day absence. I'll talk to Tishri and get it rectified ASAP.
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:16 PM
She passed her quiz three weeks ago, but you better check with Tishri on that. I do not understand why but they are not letting her have her mod badge right away. I got mine the day after I passed my quiz, but something has changed in the Congregational training. I just do not know what or how it related.
Lisa
Uhhh, sure Steve. Sure.
If it had been anyone else to answer, aside from me ... your response would have been different. Pound sand.
You are wrong, Tom. Absolutely wrong.
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:16 PM
NYJ, this smells really bad.
You really think other fora would like this treatment?
Steve, if you'd like to complain about HR being really slow. HAVE AT IT!
I've complained several times about it. To obviously, no avail.
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 08:17 PM
Okay, well while this is getting sorted out, let's please remember what a special forum this is. The last thing we need is to starting squabbling among ourselves, right?
Lisa
flaglady
19th September 2007, 08:18 PM
Thank you for explaining. And sorry if we seemed to be over reacting - but Anna is very special to us!
:hug:
She's very special to me too! And FWIW, I was horrified too.
If everybody is in place, that means that Stone has already been decided on, even though we haven't finished voting, then. Would that be a correct assumption? Because I just want to be clear on this issue.
No this is not the case. Perhaps we were a tad preemptive in getting him added to staff but we never expected this much reaction as we truly only had your best interests at heart.
Anna...are we not the people who would have you mod us? Did we not vote you in? Bottom line is what WE want ok? :hug:
Indeed it is.
BUT we - that is you and we, the senior staff - owe your staff a duty of care to see that they do not have too many demands placed upon them. Having three mods is not acceptable. Having only one at the moment is iniquitous. I have been the only mod in a forum and it's no joke.
You need at least six staff, more if possible, in order to ensure that each individual is not spending hours and hours online here. As I said in stone's poll thread, the required commitment for staff is a mere 4 hours per week. I would bet my bottom dollar (were I a betting person!) that Lisa spends at least 4 hours per day on here and that is simply not fair on anyone. She needs a life just like anyone else. And having two more mods will not ease the situation all that much.
I am telling you plain that you need at least 6 staff and maybe even 8 in order to have a good strong team that can actually cover the forum 24/7 without risking burn-out.
On a sidenote...I think someone needs to spank whoever made the mistake. That was a HUGE boo boo. :|
It was an honest error. It wasn't done intentionally or out of spite. We none of us are perfect.
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:18 PM
Steve, if you'd like to complain about HR being really slow. HAVE AT IT!
I've complained several times about it. To obviously, no avail.
There are several problems here at one time. It is not just slow HR. Read the thread, Tom.
Time2BCounted
19th September 2007, 08:18 PM
My thought is that there have been too many changes here, every one aimed at belittleing, betraying, and discouraging the conservative believer... the ones who stand on the word unmovably desptie pressures to compromise.
If any one of us were to leave it would hurt the forum and the cause we are here. We need as many of us who are likeminded as possible because we are the sore minority. We not only need to take this battle on the offensive, but we need to hold the fort too... then we need to not JUST hold the fort, but mount offensives to battle for our Lord and the purity of doctrine handed down from Christ.
Stay...
ADMIN... COME ON AND FIX THIS NOW
flaglady
19th September 2007, 08:19 PM
Because, HR is slow. It's one person, and that one person just logged in today after a 10 day absence. I'll talk to Tishri and get it rectified ASAP.
That's already been done, nyj
Hentenza
19th September 2007, 08:19 PM
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Listed mods.
I am not a full mod yet. Heck, I just got my tools today. I haven't even started training yet. GM, needs to get her full modship before me. :confused:
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 08:22 PM
See you guys? Everything is going to be worked out. :hug:
Lisa
nyj
19th September 2007, 08:22 PM
There are several problems here at one time. It is not just slow HR. Read the thread, Tom.
Ok, I've gone back and re-read the thread. I guess I missed your original post speaking of OBOB which was before I entered the discussion. So I retract my comment about you using it specifically because of me. My apologies.
As for Tishri being listed here ... I don't think it's a problem. Add Jeff, add RobNJ, add BBAS 64. We're not a denominational specific forum. But hey, if you want to add them all to OBOB, go right ahead. They can handle reports in OBOB regardless if they're listed in the forum or not. If she's conservative ... big whoop, I say. Besides, I believe it's temporary and I think she just wants to see the new mod's get their feet wet first.
~*Lady Trekki*~
19th September 2007, 08:26 PM
Indeed it is.
BUT we - that is you and we, the senior staff - owe your staff a duty of care to see that they do not have too many demands placed upon them. Having three mods is not acceptable. Having only one at the moment is iniquitous. I have been the only mod in a forum and it's no joke.
You need at least six staff, more if possible, in order to ensure that each individual is not spending hours and hours online here. As I said in stone's poll thread, the required commitment for staff is a mere 4 hours per week. I would bet my bottom dollar (were I a betting person!) that Lisa spends at least 4 hours per day on here and that is simply not fair on anyone. She needs a life just like anyone else. And having two more mods will not ease the situation all that much.
I am telling you plain that you need at least 6 staff and maybe even 8 in order to have a good strong team that can actually cover the forum 24/7 without risking burn-out.
It was an honest error. It wasn't done intentionally or out of spite. We none of us are perfect.
Oh I know flaglady. :) I just wanted to clarify to Anna that it is not US who chose whatever has happened. I felt she needed some reassurances that we will fight for her.
I know it seems like we're all over reacting a bit...and maybe we are. But I hope you can understand the reasons why. We've had staff turn against us before (or so it seemed at the time) and take sides with someone who hates what conservatives stand for. So...if we are upset, we have reason to be. I'm hoping this issue is rectified as soon as possible. Thank you so much for your time. :hug:
flaglady
19th September 2007, 08:27 PM
She passed her quiz three weeks ago, but you better check with Tishri on that. I do not understand why but they are not letting her have her mod badge right away. I got mine the day after I passed my quiz, but something has changed in the Congregational training. I just do not know what or how it related.
Lisa
I am partly to blame for that. I am planning to get her upgraded very shortly. It was made clear to Greenie that she was having the quiz early and I thought she was cool with that. It was explained quite clearly that I would reasses her when she had had some time on practice reports which you, Lisa, have overseen splendidly might I add.
NYJ, this smells really bad.
You really think other fora would like this treatment?
This has absolutely nothing to do with it being CC. It could have happened to any forum. It just happened to be this one. For pity's sake, peeps, please stop seeing this as an attack of IBSMs and give me time to get it sorted out!
It was a MISTAKE, ok? They happen.
I am not a full mod yet. Heck, I just got my tools today. I haven't even started training yet. GM, needs to get her full modship before me. :confused:
And so was this a MISTAKE.. My pm clearly asks for you to be added as a trainee and that your "ultimate destination" was CCC.
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 08:28 PM
Ok, I've gone back and re-read the thread. I guess I missed your original post speaking of OBOB which was before I entered the discussion. So I retract my comment about you using it specifically because of me. My apologies.
Accepted. I have no beef with you, Tom. None at all.
As for Tishri being listed here ... I don't think it's a problem. Add Jeff, add RobNJ, add BBAS 64. We're not a denominational specific forum. If she's conservative ... big whoop, I say. Besides, I believe it's temporary and I think she just wants to see the new mod's get their feet wet first.
I do think you are missing the point here. And BTW BBAS I think has resigned.
You know fora are sensitive about mods being dropped in (let alone Admins). You know this as well as any here. I think you can see why we are upset.
And ids there a thread in this forum where this temporary arrangement was posted and explained in detail to us? I haven't seen it if there is.
Did anyone explain to GM why after 3 weeks there is no change to mod status?
We resent the unexplained surprises. But OBOB or SR or Bapt would too.
This needs to be fixed to our member's satisfaction and apologies made. I am ready to accept any apology that like yours is offered sincerely.
my 2 cents
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 08:31 PM
I just wish Greenie would come back on. She was so upset when she left. She was crying! :sigh:
Lisa
flaglady
19th September 2007, 08:32 PM
Let me tell you this, LT, if I understood what Conservative and Liberal Christianaity was, I might have bias. But I don't - I'm being really, really frank with you all here.I am a plain and simple Christian lady. I didn't know half these denominations existed until I came to this forum. I see only Christian people - good Christian people and I haven't got it in my heart to differentiate betwixt one and t'other. It's not who I am.
So please put away your fears that I will ever be biased because, quite frankly, I wouldn't know how to be!
You are all God's children - we are all God's children and as such you are all my brothers and sisters in Christ. That's all I know. End of ....
Hentenza
19th September 2007, 08:32 PM
And so was this a MISTAKE.. My pm clearly asks for you to be added as a trainee and that your "ultimate destination" was CCC.
I know!! We just need to get it corrected.:wave:
flaglady
19th September 2007, 08:43 PM
And I have said - I already pm'd owl to get that done. Less than an hour ago in fact. Life ain't that efficient, I'm afraid!
It took my first few trainees about 6-8 weeks to get put on staff and have their training organised!! Wasn't till I came on board as Congregational Training Coordinator that I got the blockage shifted and things started moving. Now you want things done in less than an hour! Sheessh!! I may have God on my side but I'm not sure He's into those kinds of miracles!! (Only wish He was!)
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 08:47 PM
And I have said - I already pm'd owl to get that done. Less than an hour ago in fact. Life ain't that efficient, I'm afraid!
It took my first few trainees about 6-8 weeks to get put on staff and have their training organised!! Wasn't till I came on board as Congregational Training Coordinator that I got the blockage shifted and things started moving. Now you want things done in less than an hour! Sheessh!! I may have God on my side but I'm not sure He's into those kinds of miracles!! (Only wish He was!)
:hug: Yep, I was one of those who had been waiting and waiting until you came on board. You got the ball rolling for me.
Lisa
Hentenza
19th September 2007, 08:48 PM
And I have said - I already pm'd owl to get that done. Less than an hour ago in fact. Life ain't that efficient, I'm afraid!
It took my first few trainees about 6-8 weeks to get put on staff and have their training organised!! Wasn't till I came on board as Congregational Training Coordinator that I got the blockage shifted and things started moving. Now you want things done in less than an hour! Sheessh!! I may have God on my side but I'm not sure He's into those kinds of miracles!! (Only wish He was!)
Jo, no one is blaming you here. You have no control over what others have done. I appreciate all that you have done and will never attach blame to you.
The problem is the appearance of error and that is something that we all have to correct. HR needs an overhaul and that is something that we can correct.
So lets work together to effect change and make HR more efficient.
~*Lady Trekki*~
19th September 2007, 08:49 PM
Let me tell you this, LT, if I understood what Conservative and Liberal Christianaity was, I might have bias. But I don't - I'm being really, really frank with you all here.I am a plain and simple Christian lady. I didn't know half these denominations existed until I came to this forum. I see only Christian people - good Christian people and I haven't got it in my heart to differentiate betwixt one and t'other. It's not who I am.
So please put away your fears that I will ever be biased because, quite frankly, I wouldn't know how to be!
You are all God's children - we are all God's children and as such you are all my brothers and sisters in Christ. That's all I know. End of ....
Honestly flaglady, I agree with you. That's the way it should be...thats the way it's SUPPOSED to be. :) I started noticing these two opposites about 7 years ago myself, in a very very neutral setting...my church. Back then it was the "Law" vs "Grace". I was part of a three way conversation that I will never forget and it made an impact on me. My Pastor at the time was very legalistic and his sermons were good, but always accusing. Then there was a Sunday School teacher who was the opposite. So it made me wonder who was right...I tended to side with my Pastor because he had discipled me. Anyway...to make a long story short...this contrast has been getting bigger and bigger...affecting more and more churches of every denomination. We need to find our way to the middle of the issue because in all actuality both sides are wrong and not balanced. And now what I'm seeing on the liberal side of the camp is a free for all. There is no such thing as sin to them...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Gods heart is unity, and it's to that end that I am praying. :hug: Sorry to be longwinded sister. :sorry: :hug:
flaglady
19th September 2007, 08:56 PM
I just wish Greenie would come back on. She was so upset when she left. She was crying! :sigh:
Lisa
I have pm'd her.
Honestly, there was no need for all this, If only she had pm'd me at the start I could have put her mind to rest right away. I am so sorry she's read it the wrong way - probably because of all the turmoil about Tish and stone and everyone being so upset. Now I am too.... :cry:
~*Lady Trekki*~
19th September 2007, 08:58 PM
I have pm'd her.
Honestly, there was no need for all this, If only she had pm'd me at the start I could have put her mind to rest right away. I am so sorry she's read it the wrong way - probably because of all the turmoil about Tish and stone and everyone being so upset. Now I am too.... :cry:
Aww...don't be upset sis...this will all work itself out. :hug:
flaglady
19th September 2007, 09:00 PM
Just had a pm from Letalis - he's sorting it now .....
in fact - tis done!
(and thanks LT. You're very kind!)
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 09:00 PM
Thanks flaglady!
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 09:02 PM
I have pm'd her.
Honestly, there was no need for all this, If only she had pm'd me at the start I could have put her mind to rest right away. I am so sorry she's read it the wrong way - probably because of all the turmoil about Tish and stone and everyone being so upset. Now I am too.... :cry:
Everything will be fine, Jo. You have done nothing wrong here. Just a silly mistake made because someone else did not read your PM correctly. It set off a landslide. Please do not worry about it. Greenie will be peachy once she gets her badge. She just didn't understand the long delay.
Lisa
flaglady
19th September 2007, 09:03 PM
Well, we can only do our best but once in a while it will fall short, tha' knows!
Please remember that another time, eh?
Also remember - I am on-line about 14 hrs a day so I'm always available - to anyone. A self-imposed burden but I love it!
Epiphanygirl
19th September 2007, 09:07 PM
Seriously, these lists aren't always kept up. Except in OBOB. :P
Well, you know how us Catholics are, we've got an answer for everything...we dot our 'I's and cross our "t's":P ^_^
Steve, I notice you bring up OBOB a lot.....just try that in OBOB, that would fly in OBOB, that wouldn't happen in OBOB........^_^ :cool:
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 09:08 PM
Well, you know how us Catholics are, we've got an answer for everything...we dot our 'I's and cross our "t's":P ^_^
Steve, I notice you bring up OBOB a lot.....just try that in OBOB, that would fly in OBOB, that wouldn't happen in OBOB........^_^ :cool:
It is traditional for him...Wah, Wah, Wah...:D
Epiphanygirl
19th September 2007, 09:11 PM
GM, hang in there, let's think the best and hope it was an oversite on someones part.:hug:
Epiphanygirl
19th September 2007, 09:12 PM
It is traditional for him...Wah, Wah, Wah...:D
I know, It just seemed funny seeing it^_^
Rep Daddy
19th September 2007, 09:14 PM
We Protestants don't do traditional.
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 09:18 PM
We Protestants don't do traditional.
Sure you do. Think about it...little t not big T. We all have SOME tradition.
Lisa
Łamb
19th September 2007, 09:28 PM
Aw Green...:hug: :hug:
I miss so much of what's been going on in here lately...:( Hoping everything is resoved quickly!
Lisa0315
19th September 2007, 09:29 PM
http://foru.ms/t6126502-clarification-of-3rd-christian-principle-of-forums-satanism-satanic-symbols.html
I don't care if this is spamming or not!
Lisa
Hentenza
19th September 2007, 09:36 PM
Ok, guys. I am back to being what I am supposed to be, a trainee moderator. Two more things are still left to be worked out. Greeny needs her full badge and Stone can not be listed as a moderator for this forum until he is elected.
We are making progress. I am sure that things will be sorted out shortly.
flaglady
19th September 2007, 09:42 PM
Greenie will be passed out when I have assessed her. No-body's finished their training until the fat lady sings!!
Addicted2~Jesus
20th September 2007, 01:08 AM
Anh,,, whatever... I didn't bother to read the whole thread... my advice to you would be to tell em in no uncertain terms to "blow it out thier backsides"
I haven't seen anythin that would require er even request you to resign... in my opinion, buncha numbnuts an I mean that wit all the love I can muster hehe
Less there's some links to proof that you've been involved in some wrong doin I see no reason to resign, an in fairness I'll admit I don't know you very well, but what I do know hasn't givin me any cause to say you shouldn't be on staff.
GreenMunchkin
20th September 2007, 01:20 AM
Anh,,, whatever... I didn't bother to read the whole thread... my advice to you would be to tell em in no uncertain terms to "blow it out thier backsides"
I haven't seen anythin that would require er even request you to resign... in my opinion, buncha numbnuts an I mean that wit all the love I can muster hehe
Less there's some links to proof that you've been involved in some wrong doin I see no reason to resign, an in fairness I'll admit I don't know you very well, but what I do know hasn't givin me any cause to say you shouldn't be on staff.Cheers, bruv :hug:
Am being nominated for Support tomorrow, so we'll see what happens :) Tis in God's hands now.
It's nice to see you in here! You don't come by nearly enough :hug::hug:
flaglady
20th September 2007, 01:22 AM
Hey, greenie - you're not giving up for one small clerical error, surely! I was going to contact you today to do your assessment! There's nothing happened here at all. Nothing that affects you. You've done great in your training and it's just a formality to get you your badge. Come talk to me - please!
Tishri1
20th September 2007, 02:36 AM
Ok why all the fuss and why all the rudeness? If you dont want your mods trained faster and your newest mod relieved of some of this hard work she has had to endure say so....This thread didnt need to be made , a simple PM to me or Jo could have settled everything with out incident....
Seems the henry thing is taken care of ,and the stone thing will be as well....The PM went out to take his name back off as soon as I heard
Stone and I are here to help for a short time to provide support and training while its desperately needed and then we will be gone..it was an over site that he was added, and he knew that and I knew that and next time it would be nice to get a PM and be able to answer that before a fire is started in the forum
as far as the mod status of GM goes I see no problem with it
as far as me being on the list I believe I am
I dont plan to mod just train
Stone plans to mainly be a consensus contributer and help train as well ,offer incite and other ways to see things, and help them look for possibly different ways to tackle reports... But as for workers in the reports ,we are hoping all the new trainees coming up the ranks will work them,:thumbsup: only they need to be supervised while they try out their talents and any extra staff in here are to help SUPPORT that while training is going on,we do not plan to make CC our new home
and yes we are all conservative
and yes I am offended by all the unkind remarks but hey I am also quick to forgive too:prayer:
Do you all really take me for someone who doesnt have you best interest at heart ALL the time 24/7 ? That hurts the most:sigh: From the time I first had dealings with this forum I have seen an almost chronic use of conspiracy thinking and mistrust , its sad to see really, my heart goes out to you but please some how please let the Lord in to fight your battles and try to learn to trust in here, trust me, I am your Admin and I have always been only for you, never against you , heck I was the one who supported this forum's existence and voted for its creation, before many of you even knew their was a thought to even start a CC forum ....please dont keep me at arm's lenghth anymore:pray:
We need to have more faith in our team of staffers and gently question instead of accuse, and allow our mind and hearts to have hope and faith that everything will work for the good of everyone in here....because IT WILL:):wave: You will have a very successful staff very soon..
Do I have your support to try and help you get there?
Debi1967
20th September 2007, 02:39 AM
What I would like to ask is why is stone's name up there when we have not yet voted him in yet????
He needs a 70% approval from this this forum before his nme can even go up there!
Criada
20th September 2007, 02:54 AM
Do you all really take me for someone who doesnt have you best interest at heart ALL the time 24/7 ? That hurts the most:sigh: From the time I first had dealings with this forum I have seen an almost chronic use of conspiracy thinking and mistrust , its sad to see really, my heart goes out to you but please some how please let the Lord in to fight your battles and try to learn to trust in here, trust me, I am your Admin and I have always been only for you, never against you , heck I was the one who supported this forum's existence and voted for its creation, before many of you even knew their was a thought to even start a CC forum ....please dont keep me at arm's lenghth anymore:pray:
:hug: :hug:
sorry - I am sure no one intended to hurt you! We all just over reacted - cos we love Anna and hate to see her hurting.
But really didn't want to hurt you or antone else either.
Am truly very sorry - hope to get to know you better.
Tangeloper
20th September 2007, 02:56 AM
Ok, guys. I am back to being what I am supposed to be, a trainee moderator. Two more things are still left to be worked out. Greeny needs her full badge and Stone can not be listed as a moderator for this forum until he is elected.
We are making progress. I am sure that things will be sorted out shortly.
That was what I was wondering about. I can understand the need for extra moderators until we get a full staff here -- but I find it very concerning that Administrators and SuperMods are... VIOLATING our FSBs by listing Stone as a moderator before he has been approved by our forum.
I mean if we can't even get the respect of the staff when it comes to our FSBs then how can we possibly expect members to do so???
It's got to be one way or the other -- either we have FSBs that are to be followed by ALL people staff or not, or we don't get FSBs in any sub-forum.
I also apprecaite what Tishri is trying to do -- get more help for Lisa -- but, she could've done this in a much better way than how it feels at this point... AND, I also believe that a good staff member should take that into consideration when making a pronouncement or decision that affects a forum they are not that familiar with (i.e. all the problems we've been having here over the last 2 months!!!). THAT is why moderators from other sub-forums coming here just to work reports might not be very ideal. Some situations are not clear-cut -- especially lately.
OK, I've said my piece now! Thanks for letting me rant about this.
I seriously hope GM stays on board here in the CC. I will pray for her, and I will pray for everyone involved in this mess that God will help them straighten it out -- and QUICKLY!
God bless you all & Have a good night/day!
-- Tange
Tangeloper
20th September 2007, 03:03 AM
Ok why all the fuss and why all the rudeness? If you dont want your mods trained faster and your newest mod relieved of some of this hard work she has had to endure say so....This thread didnt need to be made , a simple PM to me or Jo could have settled everything with out incident....
Seems the henry thing is taken care of ,and the stone thing will be as well....The PM went out to take his name back off as soon as I heard
Stone and I are here to help for a short time to provide support and training while its desperately needed and then we will be gone..it was an over site that he was added, and he knew that and I knew that and next time it would be nice to get a PM and be able to answer that before a fire is started in the forum
as far as the mod status of GM goes I see no problem with it
as far as me being on the list I believe I am
I dont plan to mod just train
Stone plans to mainly be a consensus contributer and help train as well ,offer incite and other ways to see things, and help them look for possibly different ways to tackle reports... But as for workers in the reports ,we are hoping all the new trainees coming up the ranks will work them,:thumbsup: only they need to be supervised while they try out their talents and any extra staff in here are to help SUPPORT that while training is going on,we do not plan to make CC our new home
and yes we are all conservative
and yes I am offended by all the unkind remarks but hey I am also quick to forgive too:prayer:
Do you all really take me for someone who doesnt have you best interest at heart ALL the time 24/7 ? That hurts the most:sigh: From the time I first had dealings with this forum I have seen an almost chronic use of conspiracy thinking and mistrust , its sad to see really, my heart goes out to you but please some how please let the Lord in to fight your battles and try to learn to trust in here, trust me, I am your Admin and I have always been only for you, never against you , heck I was the one who supported this forum's existence and voted for its creation, before many of you even knew their was a thought to even start a CC forum ....please dont keep me at arm's lenghth anymore:pray:
We need to have more faith in our team of staffers and gently question instead of accuse, and allow our mind and hearts to have hope and faith that everything will work for the good of everyone in here....because IT WILL:):wave: You will have a very successful staff very soon..
Do I have your support to try and help you get there?
Tishri... I'm really sorry if this is all falling on you. I know it's not something you have done on purpose. I think it's just the attitude and feelings of our group right now ARE mistrusting, and hurting because of some of the things we've had to deal with over the last few weeks... So, when you (as we all saw it) just 'Showed Up" and said "Here's your new mod" (someone we had not known before) it sort of seemed like we were being slammed yet again. I KNOW that wasn't your intention. And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings as well. I think we all WANT to trust our staffers in other parts of the forums, but to tell you the truth the actions of one particular staffer has left a really bad taste in our mouth as of late...
Thanks for letting me explain a little -- and I would love to get to know you better as well! You seem to me like a genuinely kind person, and again I'm sorry you've kind of coincidently stepped into something that was here already and kind of festering...
I do hope you have a good night/day! :) God bless you and yours!
Tangeloper
Tishri1
20th September 2007, 03:32 AM
What I would like to ask is why is stone's name up there when we have not yet voted him in yet????
He needs a 70% approval from this this forum before his nme can even go up there! Seems the henry thing is taken care of ,and the stone thing will be as well....The PM went out to take his name back off as soon as I heard
Stone and I are here to help for a short time to provide support and training while its desperately needed and then we will be gone..it was an over site that he was added, and he knew that and I knew that and next time it would be nice to get a PM and be able to answer that before a fire is started in the forum
That was what I was wondering about. I can understand the need for extra moderators until we get a full staff here -- but I find it very concerning that Administrators and SuperMods are... VIOLATING our FSBs by listing Stone as a moderator before he has been approved by our forum. Seems the henry thing is taken care of ,and the stone thing will be as well....The PM went out to take his name back off as soon as I heard
Stone and I are here to help for a short time to provide support and training while its desperately needed and then we will be gone..it was an over site that he was added, and he knew that and I knew that and next time it would be nice to get a PM and be able to answer that before a fire is started in the forum
[quote=Tangeloper;38977406]...I think we all WANT to trust our staffers in other parts of the forums, but to tell you the truth the actions of one particular staffer has left a really bad taste in our mouth as of late...
Thanks for letting me explain a little -- and I would love to get to know you better as well! You seem to me like a genuinely kind person, and again I'm sorry you've kind of coincidently stepped into something that was here already and kind of festering...
I do hope you have a good night/day! :) God bless you and yours!
TangeloperI am working on that as well;)
some of the problems this new crop of mods are having will eventually be taken care of thru counsel right now I am just trying to get them trained up to the point where they can eventually train others and believe me alot of those issues cross denominationally are being addressed in training and our teams are getting tighter and less defensive(and or aggressive by being trained this way...what you will see me do is take the new mod "live " in the reports and explain in detail how to mod using a variety of ways and how to handle a variety of situations, she will be the one pretty much exclusively to work the reports and will only be asked to follow directives and not do anything unless I ask her to, she will learn the ropes in atlot less time and the other mods on probation will still be gleaning instruction AND be learning how to train at the same time:thumbsup:...at some point I will exit to find another forum with several new mods and leave stone(by this time you will love him I know you will) and the new trainees will do their work with him still giving consensus when needed and reminding them of things they can use they may have forgotten and then after no one needs him any more he will vacate as well and follow me where ever I am at the time to do follow up there as well......
believe me it will be painless and a joy for the new and frustrated mods who want so desperately to get on with it already:doh:
an added bonus will be that you will have me in here monitoring any outside activity to see if I can help there as well;)
I know what its like to have to protect your space:hug:
BTW my apologeze I thought I was on your list but I wasnt
added now:thumbsup:
PSS its late so if this isnt quite clear i will fix it in the morning
flaglady
20th September 2007, 04:13 AM
Please, miss, can I go to bed now?
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Criada
20th September 2007, 04:23 AM
Please, miss, can I go to bed now?
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/flagady15/smilies/thcomputer401.gif
Um - tis time to get up!
:hug: Go sleep!
~free~
20th September 2007, 07:33 AM
:sigh:
Anna, I'm sorry that this has hurt you so. :hug::hug: I hope that you DO decide to stay in this forum...YOU are the main reason I continue to come back!! :hug:
Macrina
20th September 2007, 08:21 AM
Wow, I'm just catching up on all this now... but it seems like there's been an awful misunderstanding and that no one wanted to slight you. I know the entire forum adores you and we certainly want you to moderate us! Please don't let whatever this confusion is cause you to doubt that you are loved. :hug:
~*Lady Trekki*~
20th September 2007, 12:33 PM
Wow, I'm just catching up on all this now... but it seems like there's been an awful misunderstanding and that no one wanted to slight you. I know the entire forum adores you and we certainly want you to moderate us! Please don't let whatever this confusion is cause you to doubt that you are loved. :hug:
I concur! :thumbsup:
We all love you Anna...and really, really want you to be a moderator here. Please don't resign. :hug:
Criada
20th September 2007, 12:38 PM
I concur! :thumbsup:
We all love you Anna...and really, really want you to be a moderator here. Please don't resign. :hug:
yup! :hug: :hug: :hug:
Rep Daddy
20th September 2007, 12:41 PM
[quote]
I am working on that as well;)
some of the problems this new crop of mods are having will eventually be taken care of thru counsel right now I am just trying to get them trained up to the point where they can eventually train others and believe me alot of those issues cross denominationally are being addressed in training and our teams are getting tighter and less defensive(and or aggressive by being trained this way...what you will see me do is take the new mod "live " in the reports and explain in detail how to mod using a variety of ways and how to handle a variety of situations, she will be the one pretty much exclusively to work the reports and will only be asked to follow directives and not do anything unless I ask her to, she will learn the ropes in atlot less time and the other mods on probation will still be gleaning instruction AND be learning how to train at the same time:thumbsup:...at some point I will exit to find another forum with several new mods and leave stone(by this time you will love him I know you will) and the new trainees will do their work with him still giving consensus when needed and reminding them of things they can use they may have forgotten and then after no one needs him any more he will vacate as well and follow me where ever I am at the time to do follow up there as well......
believe me it will be painless and a joy for the new and frustrated mods who want so desperately to get on with it already:doh:
an added bonus will be that you will have me in here monitoring any outside activity to see if I can help there as well;)
I know what its like to have to protect your space:hug:
BTW my apologeze I thought I was on your list but I wasnt
added now:thumbsup:
PSS its late so if this isnt quite clear i will fix it in the morning
Thanks
Letalis
20th September 2007, 01:07 PM
I got a bunch of PMs about this last night. It was really an honest mistake. Everything should be cleared up now, though.
Nicki4Christ
20th September 2007, 01:21 PM
Anna,
We love You so much, I was playing catch up today, and I pray this has all been takin care of. It looks like it was an honest mistake, but I do understand your hurt by it. Please, you are such a blessing here, and WE need you.
I'll buy you some chocolate candy... with ice cream... I'll even throw in some cake! You are in my thoughts and prayers, sis. Many Many:hug: 's.
3girls2dogs
20th September 2007, 01:22 PM
I got a bunch of PMs about this last night. It was really an honest mistake. Everything should be cleared up now, though.
GM's Q&A thread and poll are posted in report, and while I'm thrilled to be applying to the same team as she is, it makes me sad that she felt so hurt that she felt she had to change teams. I have to wonder if a little less "behind the scenes" and a little more "in the forum" would have been a better way to go. :sigh:
3girls2dogs
20th September 2007, 01:23 PM
Anna,
We love You so much, I was playing catch up today, and I pray this has all been takin care of. It looks like it was an honest mistake, but I do understand your hurt by it. Please, you are such a blessing here, and WE need you.
I'll buy you some chocolate candy... with ice cream... I'll even throw in some cake! You are in my thoughts and prayers, sis. Many Many:hug: 's.
LOL, Nicki, we can go to Cold Stone, and get all those things in one bowl together. A waffle bowl, no less. Let's make that trip...yum!!
Nicki4Christ
20th September 2007, 01:37 PM
LOL, Nicki, we can go to Cold Stone, and get all those things in one bowl together. A waffle bowl, no less. Let's make that trip...yum!!
:yum: Yummy!
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 01:37 PM
GM's Q&A thread and poll are posted in report, and while I'm thrilled to be applying to the same team as she is, it makes me sad that she felt so hurt that she felt she had to change teams. I have to wonder if a little less "behind the scenes" and a little more "in the forum" would have been a better way to go. :sigh:
Yeah, afraid that makes it pretty official. She is getting 100% so far. Let's all go vote for her and show her luvs!
Lisa
Nicki4Christ
20th September 2007, 01:46 PM
GM's Q&A thread and poll are posted in report, and while I'm thrilled to be applying to the same team as she is, it makes me sad that she felt so hurt that she felt she had to change teams. I have to wonder if a little less "behind the scenes" and a little more "in the forum" would have been a better way to go. :sigh:
Where do we vote? And is Anna still going to be a Mod here? Sorry I am lost. :(
3girls2dogs
20th September 2007, 02:00 PM
Where do we vote? And is Anna still going to be a Mod here? Sorry I am lost. :(
I'm sorry, I meant to say Support. She is up for Moderator of Support (with me, yay!!). I'll have to grab the link in a few minutes.
Debi1967
20th September 2007, 02:04 PM
Yeah, afraid that makes it pretty official. She is getting 100% so far. Let's all go vote for her and show her luvs!
Lisa
That poll should have been closed long before this unless you are talking about 3girls2dogs poll
Tonks
20th September 2007, 02:14 PM
Hentenza http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://foru.ms/u183084), stone http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://foru.ms/u100118), Jim47 http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://foru.ms/u92881), Sophia7 http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/sup.jpg (http://foru.ms/u125605), Tishri1 http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/admin.jpg (http://foru.ms/u102625), Lisa0315 http://www3.christianforums.com/images/userinfo/mod.jpg (http://foru.ms/u118032)
Listed mods.
Nope. There are a couple of different steps...add to the staff team...add to the list of mods on the forum...add to the list which receives the warning PMs etc.
At various times I've been on some and not on others. A PM to OWL usually sorts things out.
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 02:15 PM
That poll should have been closed long before this unless you are talking about 3girls2dogs poll
Its a new poll.
Lisa
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 02:16 PM
http://foru.ms/t6129115-support-team-moderator-application-qa-greenmunchkin.html
Here is her Q&A...
Lisa
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 02:18 PM
http://foru.ms/t6129094-support-team-moderator-application-greenmunchkin.html
Here is her poll...
Lisa
Criada
20th September 2007, 02:34 PM
Voted for her. :(
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 02:35 PM
Voted for her. :(
Don't feel bad, sweetie. This is what she wants. She will be back to play with us here. She is still ours. :hug:
Lisa
Debi1967
20th September 2007, 02:36 PM
Voted for her. :(
So did I unfortunately I hate to lose her here :(
~*Lady Trekki*~
20th September 2007, 02:49 PM
Am really sad this has taken place. :sigh: :(
~free~
20th September 2007, 02:52 PM
Am really sad this has taken place. :sigh: :(As am I :hug:
What is a "sock", please?
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 02:53 PM
As am I :hug:
What is a "sock", please?
A sock is an account used by a member to conceal his true identity. So, for example, my training sock is Elle0315. She is a very bad girl and gets into lots of trouble.
Lisa
~free~
20th September 2007, 02:55 PM
A sock is an account used by a member to conceal his true identity. So, for example, my training sock is Elle0315. She is a very bad girl and gets into lots of trouble.
Lisa
^_^ Thank you! I'll keep my eye out for her!! :D
Lisa0315
20th September 2007, 02:57 PM
^_^ Thank you! I'll keep my eye out for her!! :D
You can see Elle now. She is my avatar. :D
Lisa
Tishri1
20th September 2007, 03:46 PM
Please don't let whatever this confusion is cause you to doubt that you are loved. :hug:amen
Thanks:)
GM's Q&A thread and poll are posted in report, and while I'm thrilled to be applying to the same team as she is, it makes me sad that she felt so hurt that she felt she had to change teams. I have to wonder if a little less "behind the scenes" and a little more "in the forum" would have been a better way to go. :sigh:all the additions to the forum yesterday that caused her to feel hurt were all mistakes that were out of our control and quickly fixed as soon as someone PMed us, that should have been done right away then hurt feelings could have been avoided
GreenMunchkin
20th September 2007, 09:46 PM
:sigh:
Anna, I'm sorry that this has hurt you so. :hug::hug: I hope that you DO decide to stay in this forum...YOU are the main reason I continue to come back!! :hug:Lovely Penny! :hug::hug: Am not leaving the forum, sis! Just not gonna mod here. Tis for the best, really it is :hug: Am so glad you do keep coming back. Tis a lovelier place when you're here :hug:
I got a bunch of PMs about this last night. It was really an honest mistake. Everything should be cleared up now, though.Naw, dude, it was more than just this. This was just the second-to-last straw.
Why were you pmed about it, though? :scratch: Am sorry for that, cos it wasn't your drama. Am sorry :hug:
Tangeloper
20th September 2007, 09:50 PM
Lovely Penny! :hug::hug: Am not leaving the forum, sis! Just not gonna mod here. Tis for the best, really it is :hug: Am so glad you do keep coming back. Tis a lovelier place when you're here :hug:
Naw, dude, it was more than just this. This was just the second-to-last straw.
Why were you pmed about it, though? :scratch: Am sorry for that, cos it wasn't your drama. Am sorry :hug:
Well, I'm sure glad you're going to keep posting in the forum, GM. I'm sorry you went through all of this...
I'm sorry to hear you won't be moderating this particular forum, but I understand if you think that is what's best! :) :HUG:
Keep your chin up GM, as I know you to be a very kind person and you are much loved! :) :HUG:
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Letalis
20th September 2007, 09:53 PM
Why were you pmed about it, though? :scratch: Am sorry for that, cos it wasn't your drama. Am sorry :hug:
I help out occasionally with HR duties (removing staff, adding staff, etc).
Tangeloper
20th September 2007, 09:54 PM
http://foru.ms/t6129094-support-team-moderator-application-greenmunchkin.html
Here is her poll...
Lisa
Thank you so much for posting those links, Lisa! I have voted for GM to be welcomed there! :)
Letalis
20th September 2007, 09:57 PM
I spend more time in Support than I do here (unfortunately true), so I'm happy. :D
D'Ann
20th September 2007, 10:32 PM
:hug: Greenmunchkins...
I don't know what is going on, but I hope that no matter what... that you remain on staff. I think the support team would be wonderfully blessed to have you. :hug: but I also think the CO team will be lost without you too.
You are a blessing and a strong voice. A voice that we need now... more than most anything else. :hug:
Don't give up the good fight of faith my sis in Christ.
GreenMunchkin
20th September 2007, 10:36 PM
Thank you so much, Debbie :hug::hug:
I don't know what'll happen yet, so gonna pray about it for a little while. Is so nice to see you here :hug:
Gonna close this now, because it's got some anger and sadness in it.
Am sorry for the trouble, everyone :hug:
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