Poll to accept stone in CC as moderator

[flaglady]

stone has been on staff for some time now and has a great deal of experience working in several other forums. There is a need for extra staff to help out in here and it is our hope that you will vote to permit him to serve in here.

[Tishri1]

This is the plan, I am gonna help with Live training for all the mods still on probation and in training to get y'all thru this and instituted as working mods faster:thumbsup: and having some extra help in here will benefit this whole process... so if y'all can adopt us :pink::)for a while as your own, we will do our best to support you in moderation and in traininghttp://www.gallery19.us/images/100-41389.jpg

[MrJim]

Never heard of stone, dude or chick?

[Hentenza]

Which forum or forums do Stone moderate in now?

[GreenMunchkin]

Er... am a little uncomfortable with this :( Am sorry. Am just a little uncomfortable.

[MrJim]

I remember in the baptist forum there was this mysterious mod named sascha. Never came around, never even knew if it was a real person, kept asking to have him/her come around, never did. So I decided it was a scarecrow mod ;)

[MrJim]

Er... am a little uncomfortable with this :( Am sorry. Am just a little uncomfortable.

I agree, stone needs to come here and discuss with us why he/she would make a mod.

I thought our mod count was pretty good, unless someone is due on the chopping block (bet Lisa got in trouble again):P

[MrJim]

Profile
http://foru.ms/u100118

[GreenMunchkin]

I agree, stone needs to come here and discuss with us why he/she would make a mod.

I thought our mod count was pretty good, unless someone is due on the chopping block (bet Lisa got in trouble again):PWhen Hen and I are full mods, we'll have 3... and smods are still there to keep an eye on us.

Stone joined CC today. Is this why? :( That feels a little, like, um... dunno.

[3girls2dogs]

Going to check out profile.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Yeah...I agree with you guys. Having hardly seen him around, I don't feel comfortable voting him in here as a moderator.

Also, the posts I HAVE seen were a bit over the top. Seemed like he was "power mad". :sorry:

[MrJim]

Er... am a little uncomfortable with this :( Am sorry. Am just a little uncomfortable.

When Hen and I are full mods, we'll have 3... and smods are still there to keep an eye on us.

Stone joined CC today. Is this why? :( That feels a little, like, um... dunno.

And 3girls2dogs&oneontheway said she's applying as a mod too, she'll do fine, and that will be 4 +the supers:scratch:

[flaglady]

I think if you read Tishri's post, she's explained why. You need more than just three new mods. Stone is an experienced chap and Tish wants to allocate him here for a short while to help consolidate the team. It's something we have been discussing for a while, not because Lisa isn't doing a fine job but because it's unfair to have her working on her own with just two Smods for support. And when Greenie and Hen come in soon, that will be our chance to get a good strong team together. But you still need more than three. Six or even eight would be good.

It's not a take over. As soon as even more of you come forward for training, they can take over.

Stone has been working in Non-Denominational, Spirit-Filled, Messianic and Seventh Day Adventists for many months now and has proved himself an good and steady mod.

Sascha Fitzpatrick has been on a long term leave of absence. We're not sure when she will be returning.

[Tishri1]

Never heard of stone, dude or chick?dude

Which forum or forums do Stone moderate in now?alot of them hes in MJ ND SDA SF/PC hmmmm let me get him in here and he will tell us if hes in any more than that

I remember in the baptist forum there was this mysterious mod named sascha. Never came around, never even knew if it was a real person, kept asking to have him/her come around, never did. So I decided it was a scarecrow mod ;)Sasha Fitspatrick:thumbsup: Yeh I dont know where she is:scratch:

I agree, stone needs to come here and discuss with us why he/she would make a mod.

I thought our mod count was pretty good, unless someone is due on the chopping block (bet Lisa got in trouble again):PNooooo(hugs Lisa and covers her ears:eek:) well we need a consensus and Stone can give that to us faster:thumbsup:

when he goes into a new forum he looks at their rules and beliefs and he mods TO THEIR BELIEFS (thats a hint for our new mods when they start to venture out someday:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:) he doesnt ever impose his beliefs on any one else ohhh and BTW hes conservative too:thumbsup:

When Hen and I are full mods, we'll have 3... and smods are still there to keep an eye on us.

Stone joined CC today. Is this why? :( That feels a little, like, um... dunno. we didnt know he needed to do that before we could even approach you all with the idea of helping, so he did when we found out that was the first requirement:thumbsup:

remember he is an ET staff member and as such his/our only intent is to help out dont please make this a conspiracy as it isnt:hug: ...we see you all need training and this is our plan to help get that accomplished soon for you with out dragging reports out to long waiting for help or input

[MrJim]

Hey we're conservatives, naturally suspicious and wary of change...;)

[Criada]

Not comfortable with someone I don't know at the moment...but that's just me.

[Lisa0315]

I am also VERY uncomfortable with this. Tishri, you understand the reason. I think that some explanations need to occur via PM between me, you, GM, and Stone before we should endorse Stone as a CC mod. I do not want to overstep any lines here but this is a very unfair position to put us in right now.

Lisa

[Tishri1]

Yeah...I agree with you guys. Having hardly seen him around, I don't feel comfortable voting him in here as a moderator.

Also, the posts I HAVE seen were a bit over the top. Seemed like he was "power mad". :sorry:lol hes far from that or I wouldnt bring him here and he wouldnt be on sooo many teams (only us easy going ones can float around like we do)

And 3girls2dogs&oneontheway said she's applying as a mod too, she'll do fine, and that will be 4 +the supers:scratch:awesome we will help you too when you get on...one of the reasons Stone will be awesome is so I dont have to Mod in here all I want to do is give directives to the newbees and thats all, if I can do that then our extra volunteer mods can help with consensus and our newbees can action the reports under our direction it will be very efficient and move very swiftly

Hey we're conservatives, naturally suspicious and wary of change...;)^_^ describing My DH to a T:P

:scratch: but hey I'm conservative too and I'm a pussy cat:confused:^_^

[Tishri1]

I am also VERY uncomfortable with this. Tishri, you understand the reason. I think that some explanations need to occur via PM between me, you, GM, and Stone before we should endorse Stone as a CC mod. I do not want to overstep any lines here but this is a very unfair position to put us in right now.

Lisapm me and cc the rest ok:wave:

[Lisa0315]

pm me and cc the rest ok:wave:

Thank you so much.

Lisa

[MrJim]

:scratch: but hey I'm conservative too and I'm a pussy cat:confused:^_^

...means you ain't doin' it right, check with DH for further instruction:cool:

[stone]

Never heard of stone, dude or chick?


dude, rather.. man and father and husband. :D

umm.. i'm already staying late at work and about to exit, i'll be back and welcome questions.

[£amb]

Oooo....pick me...pick me!

Okay, here's my question....are you in here temporary or permanent until the other mods are off probation? *not that I don't want you here...just trying to understand the situation :D *

Sorry I'm not up to par on everything...been very busy and try to come in here when given the chance....are you member of CC?

:)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

lol hes far from that or I wouldnt bring him here and he wouldnt be on sooo many teams (only us easy going ones can float around like we do) Alrighty...good to know. ;)

:scratch: but hey I'm conservative too and I'm a pussy cat:confused:^_^ And why haven't you joined our little home away from home! :D Not that you have loads of time to give us, but I for one would welcome you wholeheartedly! :hug:

I think if you read Tishri's post, she's explained why. You need more than just three new mods. Stone is an experienced chap and Tish wants to allocate him here for a short while to help consolidate the team. It's something we have been discussing for a while, not because Lisa isn't doing a fine job but because it's unfair to have her working on her own with just two Smods for support. And when Greenie and Hen come in soon, that will be our chance to get a good strong team together. But you still need more than three. Six or even eight would be good.

Can I request you have jameseb help out? He said he'd be willing...and he's an established member here. :) I mistakenly made a poll to make him a mod here awhile back before I knew only a moderator can do that. :blush:

[3girls2dogs]

MrJim, I just got that oneontheway joke LOL....now I'm all blushing and everything.

ETA: I have seen Stone around, but honestly, I can't remember how I felt about his rulings in reports. I really want to be sure that he will uphold this as a conservative forum. It's really the only place where we can be that right now.

[JPPT1974]

Already voted!

[stone]

Which forum or forums do Stone moderate in now?


sda, non-denom, messianic and pentecostal\charismatic

[flaglady]

new poll created to have a public vote.

My apologies, folks ....

[stone]

I agree, stone needs to come here and discuss with us why he/she would make a mod.

I thought our mod count was pretty good, unless someone is due on the chopping block (bet Lisa got in trouble again):P


Let me try and explain what a moderators job is, and i'll also try and explain what i believe is expected from me as a moderator.

Let's take for example the Seventh day adventist sub-forum. Just like you guys have done here in this sub-forum, they also have a list of Forum specific rules, fsr's. Obviously, i am not a Seventh Day Adventist, but i have volunteered to moderate their forum. Whatever rules they have made polls and voted on to put into their wiki, my job is to enforce their rules.

A moderator does not take sides. A moderator is more or less a referee, watching the game to ensure no one commits a foul, and when they do, you have to blow the whistle, or rather, report any post that contain rule violations.

Moderators are not perfect, and we all make mistakes from time to time. A mistake should be taken as an opportunity to learn and grow and improve.

Moderators are expected to work reports. Working reports is basically a democratic system. Let's say now that someone is flameing another person, that means that someone is being addressed specifically. Name calling could qualify as a flame. All the moderators are expected to vote on the report as a violation or a non-violation, nv. A majority vote is required to enforce any moderator action.

Moderator actions are mostly Request for edits, rfe's, or delete's. Every once in awhile in extreme situations we have to ban members.

In this forum i am expected to coach if necessary and work reports. As a moderator i'm also expected to police the forum occasionally and search for rule violations.

[Lisa0315]

Question regarding Patrolling CCC for violations:

Mods here are generally needed as Advocate/Protectors rather than referees. We generally do not have members breaking rules here. It is generally non-members who are reported. Everyone in this forum gets along beautifully with each other.

How do you feel about this?

Lisa

[stone]

Question regarding Patrolling CCC for violations:

Mods here are generally needed as Advocate/Protectors rather than referees. We generally do not have members breaking rules here. It is generally non-members who are reported. Everyone in this forum gets along beautifully with each other.

How do you feel about this?

Lisa

Reports are only to made when a rule is violated. I would need an example to understand what you mean by a protector. If the members of the forum are being attacked by non-members then a rule needs to be made so that a report can be made against the non-member that is comeing into this forum and causeing disruption.

[Lisa0315]

Reports are only to made when a rule is violated. I would need an example to understand what you mean by a protector. If the members of the forum are being attacked by non-members then a rule needs to be made so that a report can be made against the non-member that is comeing into this forum and causeing disruption.

Well, I guess I just don't understand the need to patrol the forum. We just don't have that many problems here. I would hate to think one of our members gets reported because a mod "went looking" for a violation. That doesn't seem very objective to me. It sounds more like a cop trying to meet a quota. No offense, I am just saying what I think.

Lisa

[stone]

When Hen and I are full mods, we'll have 3... and smods are still there to keep an eye on us.

Stone joined CC today. Is this why? :( That feels a little, like, um... dunno.

The more mods you have in a forum makes it so much easier for everyone. We are still understaff from my point of view.

[stone]

Well, I guess I just don't understand the need to patrol the forum. We just don't have that many problems here. I would hate to think one of our members gets reported because a mod "went looking" for a violation. That doesn't seem very objective to me. It sounds more like a cop trying to meet a quota. No offense, I am just saying what I think.

Lisa


This is a function that is actually expected of a moderator. It's also something that is done on a voluntary basis as time permits. Often the case is that the regulars of a forum do not take the time to report violations and will just skip over them and pay no mind to them. A moderator is expected to report violations. When a moderator does not report violations, then its probably time to take a break. This works two ways as well, i guess you could say its a double edged sword, because mods can also get to a point where reports are made on post that contain no violations.

[flaglady]

If I may drop my two pennyworth in here - you're talking about two different styles of modding. One is proactive which means being about in the forum and spotting when a thread is in danger of overheating - this may or may not include outsiders but most often - in my experience - does.

The other is reactive which is just waiting for the reports to come in and dealing with them.

That's mostly the old view of moderating.

The view of which you speak, Lisa, the Advocate/Protectors type, is just another term IMO - but I think in the end, you're both on the same track. I have never seen stone going out to 'meet a quota' but he has modded in some tough forums and generally been able to take appropriate action to ensure that peace is maintained.

Isn't this pretty much what you do?



Also, as I said before - any of these forums in the Congregational area need about 8 or even 10 mods to ensure that no one or two of them are overworked. After all, the commitment has always been 4 hours per week "on duty". The more mods you have, the more likely we are to enable staff to do that. At the moment, most mods are putting in at least 4 hours a day and even more which really is not good for them, their home life or the forum.

[nyj]

Lately, CC hasn't had any large degree of reports so staffing levels for this forum isn't really an issue IMO.

My largest concern is for the integrity of our WIKI. Stone is not a member of the CC forum, and our WIKI clearly states that only members (those on the rolls) can become moderators. I think we've done this for a reason, and I think that's been reflected in our how community has grown and w/o any major disturbances. From everything I've heard, stone is a standup individual, so this isn't anything personal. I just want to ensure that we don't open loopholes in our WIKI for future abuse by trolls, and that we don't disrupt the dynamics of our forum.

This appears to be an extraordinary circumstance, and I wouldn't think Tishri1 would try to pull a fast one on us with this recommendation, but if this were a temporary appointment ... I'd feel much more assured knowing exactly how long "temporary" was.

I'll reserve my vote until such a time as that is made clear.

[Lisa0315]

If I may drop my two pennyworth in here - you're talking about two different styles of modding. One is proactive which means being about in the forum and spotting when a thread is in danger of overheating - this may or may not include outsiders but most often - in my experience - does.

The other is reactive which is just waiting for the reports to come in and dealing with them.

That's mostly the old view of moderating.

The view of which you speak, Lisa, the Advocate/Protectors type, is just another term IMO - but I think in the end, you're both on the same track. I have never seen stone going out to 'meet a quota' but he has modded in some tough forums and generally been able to take appropriate action to ensure that peace is maintained.

Isn't this pretty much what you do?

Yeah, and it could be a semantics thing. I understand that which is why I wanted him to clarify. I mod alot based on relationships. This means, that say, I have a dear member in violation. I have to action it just like it was some stranger. However, the difference is I can action, and really talk to the person to find out the root of the problem. You know?

Lisa

[stone]

Yeah...I agree with you guys. Having hardly seen him around, I don't feel comfortable voting him in here as a moderator.

Also, the posts I HAVE seen were a bit over the top. Seemed like he was "power mad". :sorry:

I would like to see an example of what gives you this impression.

[Lisa0315]

Lately, CC hasn't had any large degree of reports so staffing levels for this forum isn't really an issue IMO.

My largest concern is for the integrity of our WIKI. Stone is not a member of the CC forum, and our WIKI clearly states that only members (those on the rolls) can become moderators. I think we've done this for a reason, and I think that's been reflected in our how community has grown and w/o any major disturbances. From everything I've heard, stone is a standup individual, so this isn't anything personal. I just want to ensure that we don't open loopholes in our WIKI for future abuse by trolls, and that we don't disrupt the dynamics of our forum.

This appears to be an extraordinary circumstance, and I wouldn't think Tishri1 would try to pull a fast one on us with this recommendation, but if this were a temporary appointment ... I'd feel much more assured knowing exactly how long "temporary" was.

I'll reserve my vote until such a time as that is made clear.


I was told and I am pretty sure this is okay to say that the temporary time was about one month. It could be longer than that. I think that is Tishri's decision and I am fine with that.

Regardless, none of us can go past December without being re-elected.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Lately, CC hasn't had any large degree of reports so staffing levels for this forum isn't really an issue IMO.

My largest concern is for the integrity of our WIKI. Stone is not a member of the CC forum, and our WIKI clearly states that only members (those on the rolls) can become moderators. I think we've done this for a reason, and I think that's been reflected in our how community has grown and w/o any major disturbances. From everything I've heard, stone is a standup individual, so this isn't anything personal. I just want to ensure that we don't open loopholes in our WIKI for future abuse by trolls, and that we don't disrupt the dynamics of our forum.

This appears to be an extraordinary circumstance, and I wouldn't think Tishri1 would try to pull a fast one on us with this recommendation, but if this were a temporary appointment ... I'd feel much more assured knowing exactly how long "temporary" was.

I'll reserve my vote until such a time as that is made clear.
He just joined yesterday actually. But only because he knew this vote was coming up and wanted to be in compliance. This is my main objection to him being a mod here.

[nyj]

But only because he knew this vote was coming up and wanted to be in compliance.Well, I actually think that speaks good of him. He respects our bylaws, which I think should count for something.

I'm going to go ahead and vote "Yes". If it helps us get our moderators up and running, it's a good move for us.

[stone]

If I may drop my two pennyworth in here - you're talking about two different styles of modding. One is proactive which means being about in the forum and spotting when a thread is in danger of overheating - this may or may not include outsiders but most often - in my experience - does.

The other is reactive which is just waiting for the reports to come in and dealing with them.

That's mostly the old view of moderating.

The view of which you speak, Lisa, the Advocate/Protectors type, is just another term IMO - but I think in the end, you're both on the same track. I have never seen stone going out to 'meet a quota' but he has modded in some tough forums and generally been able to take appropriate action to ensure that peace is maintained.

Isn't this pretty much what you do?



Also, as I said before - any of these forums in the Congregational area need about 8 or even 10 mods to ensure that no one or two of them are overworked. After all, the commitment has always been 4 hours per week "on duty". The more mods you have, the more likely we are to enable staff to do that. At the moment, most mods are putting in at least 4 hours a day and even more which really is not good for them, their home life or the forum.


the more mods we have, the more proactive we can be

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I would like to see an example of what gives you this impression.
It was in the reports area...you were commenting on some posts that were meant for training. It was all so strange because nobody had seen you before and here you were questioning the posts. Also, you had made a statement in one of those reports that you were taking over for someone...flaglady I think? :scratch: I'll have to go back and try to find those posts for you. But from my perspective it sounded very self important and a bit power mad.

Do you remember the posts I'm referring to?

[Lisa0315]

Okay, lookie, you guys.

There just was no good way to go about this. Please believe that Tishri has the best interests of all of us, especially us newbie mods in mind when she did this.

Flaglady will be accepting a new postion and will not be around to help much. Jim cannot do it all by himself. Sophia is back as much as she can be.

This leaves me waiting on Supes to help me work the reports. Reports are left sitting and cannot be actioned until we get consensification. (GM ;) )

Is he really Conservative? That, I don't know.

Is he a good Mod? Tishri seems to think so, and I trust her completely.

I think I would be most comfortable with Stone if Greenie were given her full badge. Probably not a conversation to have here, sorry. I am just thinking out loud.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

That's true Lisa.

I know Tishri wouldn't steer us wrong either...nor would flaglady. Both of those ladies are golden as far as I'm concerned. :thumbsup:

I would feel better if GM were given her mod wings as well. As far as I know she's passed her tests and ready to fly. :D

Stone, please don't take this personally. Though I know it's directed at you at the moment, we're actually just a little wary as a forum. Hope you understand! We just need to get to know you better. :)

[ContentInHim]

I know Stone from MJ which is my second hangout here on 4U. He is an admirable mod there. MJ gets trolled maybe even more that CCC does, though that may not seem possible. ;)

Stone, brother - my concern is that during the uproar last month over the WWMC gang reporting like mad in this forum, you did not see the problem. And it was truly horrible to go through from a CC perspective. We lost more than a handful of members over it. :cry: Possibly you might develop more sympathy for the CC forum as you work here. I hope so because I do believe that you could be a real asset to us here. :)

[NewGuy101]

I voted no. I have no idea how Stone would vote (but it's nothing personal).

[3girls2dogs]

Well, I actually think that speaks good of him. He respects our bylaws, which I think should count for something.

I'm going to go ahead and vote "Yes". If it helps us get our moderators up and running, it's a good move for us.
It does speak well that he doesn't want to disrespect our bylaws, but in signing the roll, he implies that he agrees with what this forum stands for. So, I guess my question is, does he?

Stone: you said you were conservative, and you signed the roll, but do you actually agree with what our bylaws state, or did you just sign to be in compliance with the non-members being mods issue. This is very important to me, because I love that Lisa and GM are actually involved in the forum. They post, they chat, I feel that they actively care about their members. This is why I spend so much time in here.

[stone]

He just joined yesterday actually. But only because he knew this vote was coming up and wanted to be in compliance. This is my main objection to him being a mod here.


I've never participated in the Seventh Day Adventist forum, and i moderate their forum. Perhaps you would like to see a poll that surveys how they feel about that?

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I've never participated in the Seventh Day Adventist forum, and i moderate their forum. Perhaps you would like to see a poll that surveys how they feel about that?
Ummm....not sure what your talking about here.

Maybe I should clarify my post. What I was trying to say is pretty much what 3G2D stated just a minute ago.

Bottom line...do you really consider yourself a conservative and do you truly agree with our rules? Or are you simply filling a hole?

[stone]

It was in the reports area...you were commenting on some posts that were meant for training. It was all so strange because nobody had seen you before and here you were questioning the posts. Also, you had made a statement in one of those reports that you were taking over for someone...flaglady I think? :scratch: I'll have to go back and try to find those posts for you. But from my perspective it sounded very self important and a bit power mad.

Do you remember the posts I'm referring to?


I remember this. Does it help to know that i am volunteering my time to help you guys here?

Do you know that all the moderators in this forum are new? I've chosen to take and reserve time from my daily schedule to try and help train. There is no power involved at all. I'm not sure how you have the impression that i am power mad, to be mad for power, there has to be some kind of power to be achieved right? What kind of power can be achieved by helping out with working reports? Do you understand that by my volunteering i am takeing onboard more work to add to what i already have?

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I remember this. Does it help to know that i am volunteering my time to help you guys here?

Do you know that all the moderators in this forum are new? I've chosen to take and reserve time from my daily schedule to try and help train. There is no power involved at all. I'm not sure how you have the impression that i am power mad, to be mad for power, there has to be some kind of power to be achieved right? What kind of power can be achieved by helping out with working reports? Do you understand that by my volunteering i am takeing onboard more work to add to what i already have?
Yes I do...and thank you. :)

I voted yes. And I hope we will have a chance to get to know you here....I really do. :)

[stone]

And 3girls2dogs&oneontheway said she's applying as a mod too, she'll do fine, and that will be 4 +the supers:scratch:


that is good news, you guys are gonna need more, keep em comeing!

[3girls2dogs]

I still really need to know about the signing and the agreeing. This is a big deal for me.

[GreenMunchkin]

Why are non-members voting? :scratch:

[£amb]

Stone, I know you probably already answered this, but are you modding until Lisa, Green and Hen are off their probation time? Will this be a temporary modding?

:)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Why are non-members voting? :scratch:
Good question.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Why are non-members voting? :scratch:

Good question.

I don't think he realized this was a private poll.

[NewGuy101]

I'm trying to figure out why after I voted I can't see who voted for "yes or no."

[3girls2dogs]

I'm trying to figure out why after I voted I can't see who voted for "yes or no."
I have to actually click on the numbers to see who voted how. I haven't voted yet. I'm waiting for an answer to my question.

[Lisa0315]

I remember this. Does it help to know that i am volunteering my time to help you guys here?

Do you know that all the moderators in this forum are new? I've chosen to take and reserve time from my daily schedule to try and help train. There is no power involved at all. I'm not sure how you have the impression that i am power mad, to be mad for power, there has to be some kind of power to be achieved right? What kind of power can be achieved by helping out with working reports? Do you understand that by my volunteering i am takeing onboard more work to add to what i already have?

Conservatives are very much like our early American government and how it was supposed to be all along. For the People and By the People. See, Greenie and I are not just mods here, we are members who fully participate with strong Conservative convictions. We care about the same things that everyone else cares about.

That is what people are trying to say.

I knew this idea, which I know Tishri has only the very, very best intentions, was going to be met with resistance. This is why.

We see ourselves as a haven and not needing heavy moderation. We need our mods to protect us from the outside, not from within.

So, I am perfectly willing to work with you, but you need to have an understanding of the mindset of this forum. We are very close to one another. None of us knew each other very well when it was first created, but now we have relationships. We have private jokes. We have a common interest and a common goal.

What everyone is asking you, Stone, is how well do you understand the common goal here? This is essentially Old CF here and we can barely contain our love for one another. We need you to become a part of that.

We need to understand how you feel about the social issues. We need to hear how you feel about new CF. We need to know you.

I am sure you are a wonderful mod, and I am ready to work with you simply because of Tishri's recommendation. However, the members here are very strong minded about right and wrong. There are few gray areas in our rules. We have made sure of that.

So, I think there is kind of a sense of mistrust here. Perhaps it is not necessary, but people in this forum have been deeply hurt and we have all gathered here as a final sanctuary. We are deeply protective of our peace and harmony. We don't want to see anything or anyone disrupt that.

Please read this, not as I am addressing you personally, but this would be the reception for anyone who came here solely to become one of our mods.

Do you understand what the members feel is at stake here?

Consider this discussion thread part of the process. People simply need to get to know you.

Let me even say it another way. It took TIME for me to develop this kind of trust with the members. There were times when they were critical of me as well. It takes time to develop trust because people have been so hurt and treated unfairly in the past.

Some Congregations have funny little quirks and are immediately suspicious of anyone who comes in as friendly as can be. CCC is like that. It is not you, but the members kind of have come to feel this way because of bad experiences in the past.

I understand all of this because I am one of them. I have experienced the same hurt and the same unfairness, the same shock at the change in CF, and the same sense of betrayal, etc.

Lisa

[stone]

Oooo....pick me...pick me!

Okay, here's my question....are you in here temporary or permanent until the other mods are off probation? *not that I don't want you here...just trying to understand the situation :D *

Sorry I'm not up to par on everything...been very busy and try to come in here when given the chance....are you member of CC?

:)

Honestly, my presense here will be mostly behind the scenes, if this pans out. I didn't even know we had a conservative forum or i would have visited long ago. I've just been so busy working reports and trying to nip problems at the bud that i have very little time to venture off and explore since i volunteered to mod.

In the last few weeks i've about literally gone through hundreds of reports, because we have so few mods. We just recently got caught up on our reports since the 7-7-7 changes.

Your new mods here are very sharp and will probably only need very little interaction. That will free me up to do more work over in the SDA forum that i have been neglecting, due to being behind on reports and such.

I think that it would be awesome if your new mods here may someday soon be able to help us out in the non-denom forum. Did you know that there is like almost zero folks interested in modding that forum, that are regulars of that forum? Same with the sda forum, very little form there want to mod. We would love some help there too, but 1st things 1st ey.

My self, if chosen, will moderate and help out here as long as you guys want me to; or until i decide i no longer wish to moderate.

[Lisa0315]

Honestly, my presense here will be mostly behind the scenes, if this pans out. I didn't even know we had a conservative forum or i would have visited long ago. I've just been so busy working reports and trying to nip problems at the bud that i have very little time to venture off and explore since i volunteered to mod.

In the last few weeks i've about literally gone through hundreds of reports, because we have so few mods. We just recently got caught up on our reports since the 7-7-7 changes.

Your new mods here are very sharp and will probably only need very little interaction. That will free me up to do more work over in the SDA forum that i have been neglecting, due to being behind on reports and such.

I think that it would be awesome if your new mods here may someday soon be able to help us out in the non-denom forum. Did you know that there is like almost zero folks interested in modding that forum, that are regulars of that forum? Same with the sda forum, very little form there want to mod. We would love some help there too, but 1st things 1st ey.

My self, if chosen, will moderate and help out here as long as you guys want me to; or until i decide i no longer wish to moderate.

See? That is very reassuring. That is what I need to hear. :)

Lisa

[stone]

Conservatives are very much like our early American government and how it was supposed to be all along. For the People and By the People. See, Greenie and I are not just mods here, we are members who fully participate with strong Conservative convictions. We care about the same things that everyone else cares about.

That is what people are trying to say.

I knew this idea, which I know Tishri has only the very, very best intentions, was going to be met with resistance. This is why.

We see ourselves as a haven and not needing heavy moderation. We need our mods to protect us from the outside, not from within.

So, I am perfectly willing to work with you, but you need to have an understanding of the mindset of this forum. We are very close to one another. None of us knew each other very well when it was first created, but now we have relationships. We have private jokes. We have a common interest and a common goal.

What everyone is asking you, Stone, is how well do you understand the common goal here? This is essentially Old CF here and we can barely contain our love for one another. We need you to become a part of that.

We need to understand how you feel about the social issues. We need to hear how you feel about new CF. We need to know you.

I am sure you are a wonderful mod, and I am ready to work with you simply because of Tishri's recommendation. However, the members here are very strong minded about right and wrong. There are few gray areas in our rules. We have made sure of that.

So, I think there is kind of a sense of mistrust here. Perhaps it is not necessary, but people in this forum have been deeply hurt and we have all gathered here as a final sanctuary. We are deeply protective of our peace and harmony. We don't want to see anything or anyone disrupt that.

Please read this, not as I am addressing you personally, but this would be the reception for anyone who came here solely to become one of our mods.

Do you understand what the members feel is at stake here?

Consider this discussion thread part of the process. People simply need to get to know you.

Let me even say it another way. It took TIME for me to develop this kind of trust with the members. There were times when they were critical of me as well. It takes time to develop trust because people have been so hurt and treated unfairly in the past.

Some Congregations have funny little quirks and are immediately suspicious of anyone who comes in as friendly as can be. CCC is like that. It is not you, but the members kind of have come to feel this way because of bad experiences in the past.

I understand all of this because I am one of them. I have experienced the same hurt and the same unfairness, the same shock at the change in CF, and the same sense of betrayal, etc.

Lisa


Now that i know about this forum i will begin to spend more time here. It takes time to get to know someone. I'm not here to cause any problems.

[Lisa0315]

Now that i know about this forum i will begin to spend more time here. It takes time to get to know someone. I'm not here to cause any problems.

Good. :) I don't think you are here to cause problems. I think it was just kind of a shock and the initial impression was a bit rocky, you know?

Lisa

[stone]

Can I request you have jameseb help out? He said he'd be willing...and he's an established member here. :) I mistakenly made a poll to make him a mod here awhile back before I knew only a moderator can do that. :blush:


If he's interested then do ask him to apply. :thumbsup: We could use help in other forums too.

[ContentInHim]

OK, Stone - I voted for you! :)

[stone]

MrJim, I just got that oneontheway joke LOL....now I'm all blushing and everything.

ETA: I have seen Stone around, but honestly, I can't remember how I felt about his rulings in reports. I really want to be sure that he will uphold this as a conservative forum. It's really the only place where we can be that right now.

Just venture out to the reports thread. Most days you'll see my name all the way down the 1st page! lol

I haven't worked many of the pentecostal reports because they have several mods now, and been behind on others, but i've been helping mostly in sda and non-denom and messianic lately.

Some reports may be difficult to understand due to fsr's of that forum. tomorrow i'm scheduleing to go through reports again and get caught up, so you guys can take a look then to see how i am voteing on reports.

[stone]

He just joined yesterday actually. But only because he knew this vote was coming up and wanted to be in compliance. This is my main objection to him being a mod here.


This is not completely accurate. When i stated in your roll call, that i am conservative, i had already been put under the impression that i was no longer going to be asked to help out in this forum. I added my name to the list just to be compliant with your rules for future post that i may want to participate in, since i had just recently discovered that this forum even existed. The last thing i was expecting was a poll in here about my modding. In fact i was chatting with Flaglady and Lisa over in the staff room about logging ref's and delete's and such, when Flaglady suggested that i may want to come here and participate in this thread. It was a bit of a surprise to me.

I do know that the l-rd led me to this forum a couple of years ago; and that it is my gift to your forum from me to volunteer to help out when i am able to.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

This is not completely accurate. When i stated in your roll call, that i am conservative, i had already been put under the impression that i was no longer going to be asked to help out in this forum. I added my name to the list just to be compliant with your rules for future post that i may want to participate in, since i had just recently discovered that this forum even existed. The last thing i was expecting was a poll in here about my modding. In fact i was chatting with Flaglady and Lisa over in the staff room about logging ref's and delete's and such, when Flaglady suggested that i may want to come here and participate in this thread. It was a bit of a surprise to me.

I do know that the l-rd led me to this forum a couple of years ago; and that it is my gift to your forum from me to volunteer to help out when i am able to.
Ohhh...my bad. Sorry for assuming! :sorry:

[Lisa0315]

Henry!!!!! I spy something pretty and red!!!! :clap:

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Henry!!!!! I spy something pretty and red!!!! :clap:

Lisa
:clap: :clap: :clap:

[3girls2dogs]

Henry!!!!! I spy something pretty and red!!!! :clap:

Lisa
On GM, too!!!!! WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap:

[Hentenza]

Well, how about that!!!!! I guess my vacation is over!!!^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^

[3girls2dogs]

On GM, too!!!!! WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap:
Darn it, I'm so confuzzled at this point. :cry:

[GreenMunchkin]

Well, how about that!!!!! I guess my vacation is over!!!^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^YAY!!!! :clap::clap: Yay! :hug:

Darn it, I'm so confuzzled at this point. :cry::hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Lisa0315]

Darn it, I'm so confuzzled at this point. :cry:

Hen finally got his Mod tools. See his red M?

Lisa

[stone]

I know Stone from MJ which is my second hangout here on 4U. He is an admirable mod there. MJ gets trolled maybe even more that CCC does, though that may not seem possible. ;)

Stone, brother - my concern is that during the uproar last month over the WWMC gang reporting like mad in this forum, you did not see the problem. And it was truly horrible to go through from a CC perspective. We lost more than a handful of members over it. :cry: Possibly you might develop more sympathy for the CC forum as you work here. I hope so because I do believe that you could be a real asset to us here. :)

Thanks for the kind words.

[Lisa0315]

Well, how about that!!!!! I guess my vacation is over!!!^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^

See all that stuff in red brackets. That is all the stuff you NEVER mention. K? :hug:

Lisa

[stone]

I voted no. I have no idea how Stone would vote (but it's nothing personal).

i vote based on a set of rules. The 1st thing i look for when i read a report is a rule violation. If i don't see a rule violation, i will vote nv.

[Hentenza]

See all that stuff in red brackets. That is all the stuff you NEVER mention. K? :hug:

Lisa

I was wandering about that. Good, cause I don't want to anyway!!^_^^_^:P

[stone]

See all that stuff in red brackets. That is all the stuff you NEVER mention. K? :hug:

Lisa

*note to self*

[stone]

Why are non-members voting? :scratch:


that happens alot in polls, when the poll closes we just disregard their vote.

[Lisa0315]

Sorry for derailing Stone. Hen has just been waiting a really, really long time. I think it took them along time to add up the votes for him. ^_^

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Ignore me. Just getting onto 667 blessings :)

[Hentenza]

Sorry for derailing Stone. Hen has just been waiting a really, really long time. I think it took them along time to add up the votes for him. ^_^

Lisa

^_^^_^^_^:hug::hug::hug::hug:

[stone]

I'm trying to figure out why after I voted I can't see who voted for "yes or no."


I've seen this problem before, unfortunately you have to log out and view to poll as a guest to see who voted for who.

[3girls2dogs]

i vote based on a set of rules. The 1st thing i look for when i read a report is a rule violation. If i don't see a rule violation, i will vote nv.
I know you keep saying that, and in most of the other forums, that rule is very cut and dry. But, IMO, in the Congregational area, what is a rule for WWMC is not a rule for CC. If someone comes from another forum, trolls a thread here, and then is reported, ISTM, CC gets a lot of this: "You need to be less sensitive." This worries me a lot. I don't want things being ruled an NV because people think that our rules are too strict or we are being to "over-sensitive" by reporting a post that breaks our FSR.

[Hentenza]

Ok, Stone. Here is the question that I think will be the deal breaker for your election as moderator for the Conservative Christian forum.

Here it is:




What flavor ice cream do you like?



^_^^_^^_^^_^:P:P

[Lisa0315]

I'm trying to figure out why after I voted I can't see who voted for "yes or no."

Can you see the numbers at all? You should be able to click on either the Yes or No number of votes, and it will show you the voters.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

I do have a question, Stone. Is my becoming a proper mod contingent on your being a mod here? As in, would you be here to train us all, or to take my place?

[stone]

I know you keep saying that, and in most of the other forums, that rule is very cut and dry. But, IMO, in the Congregational area, what is a rule for WWMC is not a rule for CC. If someone comes from another forum, trolls a thread here, and then is reported, ISTM, CC gets a lot of this: "You need to be less sensitive." This worries me a lot. I don't want things being ruled an NV because people think that our rules are too strict or we are being to "over-sensitive" by reporting a post that breaks our FSR.


I have experience working multiple forums with varying fsr's at the same time. Context is taken into consideration for more difficult issue's.

[stone]

I do have a question, Stone. Is my becoming a proper mod contingent on your being a mod here? As in, would you be here to train us all, or to take my place?

I would never want to take any bodies place. My goal is to moderate to the satisfaction of the forum as a whole. As you guys are now mods, you may have a question concerning a rule violation, and hopefully i have the experience to be able to answer your questions. Working reports is a on the job training role. As we all work together on reports, and in the forum, we all learn about each other and from each other.

[stone]

Ok, Stone. Here is the question that I think will be the deal breaker for your election as moderator for the Conservative Christian forum.

Here it is:




What flavor ice cream do you like?






i was going to say it depends on the flavor of the cake being served with it, but i think chocolate takes the cake:yum:

[Criada]

Voted no. Am really sorry - please understand that this is not personal. Just can't cope with the idea of someone I don't know at the moment. But - I am sure that you would do a good job. Sorry.

[MrJim]

OK, Stone - I voted for you! :)

If you can vouch for him that's good enough for me:thumbsup:

**besides, if ya screw up we send over the dogs...shitzu hellhounds...:ebil: to straighten you out; only had to call them out on Lisa once,-er twice I guess, and now she's all better:thumbsup:

[MrJim]

I do have a question, Stone. Is my becoming a proper mod contingent on your being a mod here? As in, would you be here to train us all, or to take my place?

GM, how come you have like 6 stars over your rep bar, and everyone else has none?

[GreenMunchkin]

GM, how come you have like 6 stars over your rep bar, and everyone else has none?Cos I'm a cretin :(

[Rep Daddy]

I think we need mods here who have posted here and folks know.

I vote NO

[£amb]

Honestly, my presense here will be mostly behind the scenes, if this pans out. I didn't even know we had a conservative forum or i would have visited long ago. I've just been so busy working reports and trying to nip problems at the bud that i have very little time to venture off and explore since i volunteered to mod.

In the last few weeks i've about literally gone through hundreds of reports, because we have so few mods. We just recently got caught up on our reports since the 7-7-7 changes.

Your new mods here are very sharp and will probably only need very little interaction. That will free me up to do more work over in the SDA forum that i have been neglecting, due to being behind on reports and such.

I think that it would be awesome if your new mods here may someday soon be able to help us out in the non-denom forum. Did you know that there is like almost zero folks interested in modding that forum, that are regulars of that forum? Same with the sda forum, very little form there want to mod. We would love some help there too, but 1st things 1st ey.

My self, if chosen, will moderate and help out here as long as you guys want me to; or until i decide i no longer wish to moderate.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question and it did help my voting answer....I will vote yes with the thought of you helping Lisa, Green and Hen out for the time being. I do hope you participate within the forum if you can to get to know us as well. Lisa said it quite well that we're close to each other....like a family who enjoys a good laugh and fellowship. I never knew any of the guys and gals until I popped in here. Now they are the ones I enjoy visiting the most on this forum.

But if you get a big head then I'll put the dogs on you...


http://www.untitledname.com/archives/upload/2005/11/attack-dogs.jpg


Just ignore the cute little dog in the back...:D


By the way....HEN...congratulations on the big, red M!!! :thumbsup: Gee that rhymed...Hen, M...I so smart...:holy:

[MrJim]

Cos I'm a cretin :(

But I know a lot of cretins, and they don't have stars upon thars:scratch:

[Rep Daddy]

In the last few weeks i've about literally gone through hundreds of reports, because we have so few mods. We just recently got caught up on our reports since the 7-7-7 changes.

We almost have a 1 to 4 ration between mods and active posters. Many mods are busy lobbying in WIKIs for their pet projects.

I think we need folks that are dedicated and knowledgeable to the needs of this fora and we have folks here to do that.

No negatives about you, I just think this move imposes on our forum.

[GreenMunchkin]

But I know a lot of cretins, and they don't have stars upon thars:scratch:Cretin with rep points...

[MrJim]

Cretin with rep points...

Got it, guess there ain't many with numbers that high:cool:

[Criada]

um - is there any point in tis pol?
Given that stone already appears to be a mod here.....

[MrJim]

um - is there any point in tis pol?
Given that stone already appears to be a mod here.....

Holy cats you're right...what's up with that?:confused: GM should be listed and stone not until it's decided.

[Lisa0315]

um - is there any point in tis pol?
Given that stone already appears to be a mod here.....

Tishri had to figure out protocol. If you see Stone's name, it only means that it has been added. It does not mean that members do not have a choice about this.

Lisa

[3girls2dogs]

um - is there any point in tis pol?
Given that stone already appears to be a mod here.....
I have to agree. What was the point of asking us, if you weren't even going to bother waiting for an answer. Was this to give us the appearance that our voice mattered? Wow. This is thoroughly disappointing. :sigh:

[Rep Daddy]

This is the second stone Poll. (http://foru.ms/t6119600-poll-to-accept-stone-in-cc-as-moderator.html)
Whazzup?

And Tishi is listed as a mod here. Where is the link to that vote?

Seems like our forum is being shaped by outsiders. Well meaning but OBOB would never allow this. LDS wouldn't allow this.

Why us?

[MrJim]

Tishri had to figure out protocol. If you see Stone's name, it only means that it has been added. It does not mean that members do not have a choice about this.

Lisa

Yeah, that makes no sense...I gonna get the dogs...

[Criada]

Tishri had to figure out protocol. If you see Stone's name, it only means that it has been added. It does not mean that members do not have a choice about this.

Lisa
but if it has been added, then how do we have a choice. cos that looks like we are choosing to get rid of him...which kind of feels different, and much meaner. :(

[Lisa0315]

The order of things is well, out of order, but his name being there does not mean a thing, I promise. I have called for Admins and Smods to come here and confirm this. Please, please don't get upset. I promise that it is just a misunderstanding.

Lisa

[Criada]

But is a misunderstanding that is causing a lot of hurt to someone we love, and that's just not acceptable!!

[Rep Daddy]

Tishri is not even a member of the forum (http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38015162&postcount=1) and she is Admin here.

[Lisa0315]

But is a misunderstanding that is causing a lot of hurt to someone we love, and that's just not acceptable!!

I am hoping to work that will work out too.

Lisa

[Criada]

Not geting at you, Lisa! I'm sure you are doing all you can. :hug: Thank you.

[Lisa0315]

Not geting at you, Lisa! I'm sure you are doing all you can. :hug: Thank you.

I know that sweetie. This is an emotional issue to begin with for all of us. For what just happened, it was kind of adding insult to injury. It is just a mistake, but when you are on the hurting end, that doesn't help alot, you know?

Lisa

[Rep Daddy]

Tishri and stone need to back out of the forum and let the forum decide on it's staff rather than imposing on us.

GM needs to be fast tracked to mod status.

[3girls2dogs]

Lisa, please don't feel we are directing any of this to you. We are aware of how much you care about this forum. We know you love us, even when we are cranky.

I'm not sure how things were going behind the scenes, but it seems to me that this may have been an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type of situation. :scratch:

Now it feels broken. :sigh: And that makes me :cry:

[MrJim]

Lisa, please don't feel we are directing any of this to you. We are aware of how much you care about this forum. We know you love us, even when we are cranky.

I'm not sure how things were going behind the scenes, but it seems to me that this may have been an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type of situation. :scratch:

Now it feels broken. :sigh: And that makes me :cry:

I feel the same way.

I retract my yes vote for stone, nothing personal hoss, but somethin' ain't right here.

[Rep Daddy]

I am not upset with Lisa at all.

This needs to get fixed and flaglady assumes it is.

[Lisa0315]

I feel the same way.

I retract my yes vote for stone, nothing personal hoss, but somethin' ain't right here.

You are 100% sure you want to do this now. Do you want to wait and see Admin explanation first?

Lisa

[Rep Daddy]

Why not just accept the request?

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I feel the same way.

I retract my yes vote for stone, nothing personal hoss, but somethin' ain't right here.
As do I.

[Lisa0315]

Okay, that is two changes to No. Making the change...

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Maybe we should just all go take a chill pill and come back in an hour while they fix the error. And please do NOT wait to do it until later.

[Lisa0315]

Done.

Lisa

[MrJim]

You are 100% sure you want to do this now. Do you want to wait and see Admin explanation first?

Lisa

I didn't say I was changing it to "No", just retracting the "Yes" till we see if this trainwreck gets back on track.

[Rep Daddy]

Anyone gonna answer the question of why Trishri is an Admin here and not a member of the forum?

[Lisa0315]

I didn't say I was changing it to "No", just retracting the "Yes" till we see if this trainwreck gets back on track.

Okay. I will change that. Let me check with LT and make sure that is what she wanted as well.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Okay, two yes votes removed, but not changed to No.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Anyone gonna answer the question of why Trishri is an Admin here and not a member of the forum?

She will be up for reelection in January along with everyone else. She is grandfathered in until the end of the year.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Okay. I will change that. Let me check with LT and make sure that is what she wanted as well.

Lisa
Well, just take off my vote for now. Thanks Lisa! :hug:

[Rep Daddy]

She will be up for reelection in January along with everyone else. She is grandfathered in until the end of the year.

Lisa

SO you do not have to be a member here to be the ADMIN?

Is that true in OBOB? Doesn't look like it.
Place Tishri in OBOB and I withdraw my objection.

[Lisa0315]

SO you do not have to be a member here to be the ADMIN?

Is that true in OBOB? Doesn't look like it.
Place Tishri in OBOB and I withdraw my objection.

Not that I am aware of. Admins will be voted in my all the congregations, I think. Supermods will be voted in by the areas they smod in, and mods directly in their congregations.

I know they were discussing some changes to that...

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I like Tishri...she's very sweet. :)

[Lisa0315]

I like Tishri...she's very sweet. :)


She is an excellent Admin, I agree. I respect her a great deal.

Lisa

[MrJim]

She is an excellent Admin, I agree. I respect her a great deal.

Lisa

Yeah, I'd respect her and flaglady if they'd get in here and clean up their dog mess they've left on the floor.

[Rep Daddy]

I like Tishri...she's very sweet. :)

I agree, but this is not a sweetness issue.

[Rep Daddy]

Yeah, I'd respect her and flaglady if they'd get in here and clean up their dog mess they've left on the floor.

Perzackly.

[Criada]

Let's give them a chance.
They've apolgised - leave it for a bit and see.

[Lisa0315]

Yeah, I'd respect her and flaglady if they'd get in here and clean up their dog mess they've left on the floor.

They are working on it. Greenie is going to have her badge very, very soon, tonight if possible. Hen will go into training. Stone will ONLY be a mod here if the membership votes him in, and even that is temporary until we are fully staffed.

What we really, really need is about three more of you to sign up to be mods.

Lisa

[nyj]

Hmmm ...

/me debates applying.

NAH!

[Lisa0315]

Hmmm ...

/me debates applying.

NAH!

:P Watch it buster. You will be working for ME someday!!! :ebil:

Lisa

[nyj]

You going to be Election Chief?

Have fun!

I'm the Assistant ... which implies I assist someone. But I'm the only one. Make sense of that!

[MrJim]

Lisa, LT & my name are still in the yes column on the poll.

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, LT & my name are still in the yes column on the poll.

I know. I can change the numbers which I did, but I cannot change the names. When I changed the poll, there were 6 yes votes, and 4 no votes. There are two less now.

Lisa

[nyj]

Lisa,

Can you do me a favor (which makes my life easier). Please reserve modifying the polls until the very end of the poll, and then list what changes are made. This makes my job verifying the results much easier, especially when they're not set up the way they're supposed to (i.e., one for the poll, one for questions) :P . Thanks.

[Lisa0315]

Lisa,

Can you do me a favor (which makes my life easier). Please reserve modifying the polls until the very end of the poll, and then list what changes are made. This makes my job verifying the results much easier, especially when they're not set up the way they're supposed to (i.e., one for the poll, one for questions) :P . Thanks.

Sure. I will start keeping a log of changes for each poll and do them all at the end instead.

Lisa

[nyj]

Thanks! :)

[flaglady]

Yeah, I'd respect her and flaglady if they'd get in here and clean up their dog mess they've left on the floor.

And - good sir - what 'dog mess' have I not cleared up (that was not, I might add, mine)? Was I not in here as soon as Lisa alerted me to the problem?



Yes, I was.



And it got sorted in record time too, I might point out - 60 mins in fact, That's not bad for this place!

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

And - good sir - what 'dog mess' have I not cleared up (that was not, I might add, mine)? Was I not in here as soon as Lisa alerted me to the problem?



Yes, I was.



And it got sorted in record time too, I might point out - 60 mins in fact, That's not bad for this place!
He's just upset Jo...GM is very precious to all of us here. :)

PS...thanks for all your help! Question though...stone is still on the list. :sorry: Should he be?

[Annabel Lee]

Why is training so long?

/me remembers when there was no training, you were just tossed out with a "Good luck!"

[ContentInHim]

I feel the same way.

I retract my yes vote for stone, nothing personal hoss, but somethin' ain't right here.
I'm afraid that I must do the same thing. I'm retracting my vote.

Sorry Stone - I know you and know that you will be a good mod here, but this is very out of order and therefore not acceptable! :hug:

[ContentInHim]

Why is training so long?

Annabel Lee remembers when there was no training, you were just tossed out with a "Good luck!"
Maybe the simpler system is harder to do? :scratch:

[3girls2dogs]

I see his name is still up there under moderator. :sigh:

[Tangeloper]

Conservatives are very much like our early American government and how it was supposed to be all along. For the People and By the People. See, Greenie and I are not just mods here, we are members who fully participate with strong Conservative convictions. We care about the same things that everyone else cares about.

That is what people are trying to say.

I knew this idea, which I know Tishri has only the very, very best intentions, was going to be met with resistance. This is why.

We see ourselves as a haven and not needing heavy moderation. We need our mods to protect us from the outside, not from within.

So, I am perfectly willing to work with you, but you need to have an understanding of the mindset of this forum. We are very close to one another. None of us knew each other very well when it was first created, but now we have relationships. We have private jokes. We have a common interest and a common goal.

What everyone is asking you, Stone, is how well do you understand the common goal here? This is essentially Old CF here and we can barely contain our love for one another. We need you to become a part of that.

We need to understand how you feel about the social issues. We need to hear how you feel about new CF. We need to know you.

I am sure you are a wonderful mod, and I am ready to work with you simply because of Tishri's recommendation. However, the members here are very strong minded about right and wrong. There are few gray areas in our rules. We have made sure of that.

So, I think there is kind of a sense of mistrust here. Perhaps it is not necessary, but people in this forum have been deeply hurt and we have all gathered here as a final sanctuary. We are deeply protective of our peace and harmony. We don't want to see anything or anyone disrupt that.

Please read this, not as I am addressing you personally, but this would be the reception for anyone who came here solely to become one of our mods.

Do you understand what the members feel is at stake here?

Consider this discussion thread part of the process. People simply need to get to know you.

Let me even say it another way. It took TIME for me to develop this kind of trust with the members. There were times when they were critical of me as well. It takes time to develop trust because people have been so hurt and treated unfairly in the past.

Some Congregations have funny little quirks and are immediately suspicious of anyone who comes in as friendly as can be. CCC is like that. It is not you, but the members kind of have come to feel this way because of bad experiences in the past.

I understand all of this because I am one of them. I have experienced the same hurt and the same unfairness, the same shock at the change in CF, and the same sense of betrayal, etc.

Lisa
I think you said everything I wanted to say in this post Lisa... If there ever was a right time to bring this up, unfortunately NOW was not the right time to introduce someone new given the problems we've had with a certain staff member and their actions towards the members and this sub-forum itself...

[Tangeloper]

Just making a note of this... I don't know when this changed, but it had to be just recently... Like within the hour?

Stone is no longer listed as a moderator -- it is 2:47 a.m. CST (US).

I hate the fact that I have to do this at this time, but I am voting, Not at this time... Unfortunately due to the situation we just experienced I don't think Stone would be a good fit with our forum at this time. I think it would be better to perhaps find someone else to help in this way -- as a temporary moderator of this forum. OR, be there to help when necessary (as in consulting), but not directly moderating.

HOWEVER, I very much look forward to getting to know Stone if he sticks around and such since he is a NEW MEMBER of the CC Forum! :) There is nothing that says if HE felt like it, and we all agreed that he couldn't come on at a later date! (From some of the things I read it sounded like he was very shocked to learn this poll was even here -- I don't know why this would be, but it concerns me as well.)

OK, Stone -- welcome to CC -- I really mean that! I do look forward to fellowshipping, and discussing issues with you here.

I hope you will come to find it "home" like many of us do now. It really is supposed to be a safe haven from all the bickering of the outside world and that's perhaps why we are so testy about all of this. There is so much stress here... Confusion... Trust Issues due to recent experiences (call it a mild form of online PTSD if you will...). This is NOT the way we are... And, we see this as all coming from the outside directed AT us, instead of with us, or for us. I hope you'll stick around long enough to see that despite the rough beginning. :)

[Tishri1]

Oooo....pick me...pick me!

Okay, here's my question....are you in here temporary or permanent until the other mods are off probation? *not that I don't want you here...just trying to understand the situation :D *

Sorry I'm not up to par on everything...been very busy and try to come in here when given the chance....are you member of CC?

:)temp and I really thought I was on the list then I looked on every single page and couldnt find my name so I signed up last

Alrighty...good to know. ;)

And why haven't you joined our little home away from home! :D Not that you have loads of time to give us, but I for one would welcome you wholeheartedly! :hug:



Can I request you have jameseb help out? He said he'd be willing...and he's an established member here. :) I mistakenly made a poll to make him a mod here awhile back before I knew only a moderator can do that. :blush:I dont have any time for my own home forum these day .....ask Jameseb to help you need many more as well


Lately, CC hasn't had any large degree of reports so staffing levels for this forum isn't really an issue IMO.

My largest concern is for the integrity of our WIKI. Stone is not a member of the CC forum, and our WIKI clearly states that only members (those on the rolls) can become moderators. I think we've done this for a reason, and I think that's been reflected in our how community has grown and w/o any major disturbances. From everything I've heard, stone is a standup individual, so this isn't anything personal. I just want to ensure that we don't open loopholes in our WIKI for future abuse by trolls, and that we don't disrupt the dynamics of our forum.

This appears to be an extraordinary circumstance, and I wouldn't think Tishri1 would try to pull a fast one on us with this recommendation, but if this were a temporary appointment ... I'd feel much more assured knowing exactly how long "temporary" was.

I'll reserve my vote until such a time as that is made clear.temp and no one needs to post or vote in the wiki

I have to agree. What was the point of asking us, if you weren't even going to bother waiting for an answer. Was this to give us the appearance that our voice mattered? Wow. This is thoroughly disappointing. :sigh:assuming you saw the explaination in the other thread Seems the henry thing is taken care of ,and the stone thing will be as well....The PM went out to take his name back off as soon as I heard


Stone and I are here to help for a short time to provide support and training while its desperately needed and then we will be gone..it was an over site that he was added, and he knew that and I knew that and next time it would be nice to get a PM and be able to answer that before a fire is started in the forum
The order of things is well, out of order, but his name being there does not mean a thing, I promise. I have called for Admins and Smods to come here and confirm this. Please, please don't get upset. I promise that it is just a misunderstanding.

Lisaspoken like a natural mod lisa:hug: thanks for trying to put out the fire here

Tishri and stone need to back out of the forum and let the forum decide on it's staff rather than imposing on us.

GM needs to be fast tracked to mod status.sure ok Lisa its all yours,
your friends dont seem to carry your same concern and frustation in watching you work you butt off :sigh:sorry hun I tried,:hug: if they change their minds let me know ok

I agree, but this is not a sweetness issue.Hey how ever I have to be to get the job done that is my priority if I can be sweet and get that accomplished fine but not always does it work that way KWIM;)

I see his name is still up there under moderator. :sigh:look again

Just making a note of this... I don't know when this changed, but it had to be just recently... Like within the hour?

Stone is no longer listed as a moderator -- it is 2:47 a.m. CST (US).

I hate the fact that I have to do this at this time, but I am voting, Not at this time... Unfortunately due to the situation we just experienced I don't think Stone would be a good fit with our forum at this time. I think it would be better to perhaps find someone else to help in this way -- as a temporary moderator of this forum. OR, be there to help when necessary (as in consulting), but not directly moderating.

HOWEVER, I very much look forward to getting to know Stone if he sticks around and such since he is a NEW MEMBER of the CC Forum! :) There is nothing that says if HE felt like it, and we all agreed that he couldn't come on at a later date! (From some of the things I read it sounded like he was very shocked to learn this poll was even here -- I don't know why this would be, but it concerns me as well.)

OK, Stone -- welcome to CC -- I really mean that! I do look forward to fellowshipping, and discussing issues with you here.

I hope you will come to find it "home" like many of us do now. It really is supposed to be a safe haven from all the bickering of the outside world and that's perhaps why we are so testy about all of this. There is so much stress here... Confusion... Trust Issues due to recent experiences (call it a mild form of online PTSD if you will...). This is NOT the way we are... And, we see this as all coming from the outside directed AT us, instead of with us, or for us. I hope you'll stick around long enough to see that despite the rough beginning. :)
:doh:Lisa good luck sis:wave:

[Criada]

temp and I really thought I was on the list then I looked on every single page and couldnt find my name so I signed up last

I dont have any time for my own home forum these day .....ask Jameseb to help you need many more as well


temp and no one needs to post or vote in the wiki

assuming you saw the explaination in the other threadspoken like a natural mod lisa:hug: thanks for trying to put out the fire here

sure ok Lisa its all yours,
your friends dont seem to carry your same concern and frustation in watching you work you butt off :sigh:sorry hun I tried,:hug: if they change their minds let me know ok

Hey how ever I have to be to get the job done that is my priority if I can be sweet and get that accomplished fine but not always does it work that way KWIM;)

look again


:doh:Lisa good luck sis:wave:
:hug: :hug: :Hug:
sorry.
really.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

temp and I really thought I was on the list then I looked on every single page and couldnt find my name so I signed up last

I dont have any time for my own home forum these day .....ask Jameseb to help you need many more as well


temp and no one needs to post or vote in the wiki

assuming you saw the explaination in the other threadspoken like a natural mod lisa:hug: thanks for trying to put out the fire here

sure ok Lisa its all yours,
your friends dont seem to carry your same concern and frustation in watching you work you butt off :sigh:sorry hun I tried,:hug: if they change their minds let me know ok

Hey how ever I have to be to get the job done that is my priority if I can be sweet and get that accomplished fine but not always does it work that way KWIM;)

look again


:doh:Lisa good luck sis:wave:
I'm sorry too. :hug:

[Lisa0315]

Listen you guys, I want to see if we can salvage something from this.

I do not know Stone very well, but I am very, very confident in Tishri's decisions.

I think it was just an unfortunate series of events which made all of us very, very wary. Believe me, I had my own concerns over this.

First, behind the scenes, Stone made a mistake. This caused Greenie, Hen, and myself to get upset and question this move.

Underneath that Greenie, Hen, and I were a bit confused as why Greenie and Hen were not progressing towards our ultimate goal of being the Uber Green Modding Machine here in CCC. ;)

Then, Flaglady made a mistake and didn't set up Stone's original poll as public.

Then, Hen got his training badge around the same time. As we were celebrating that, and trying to understand Stone and get Stone to understand us, someone noticed that Stone had already been added as a Mod. Worse, Hen was added as a Mod, but Greenie still wasn't. :eek:

Everyone got upset. I PM'd the admins who rushed in here to fix these things. However, by that time, there had been so many mistakes that most people still were not quite sure that there wasn't something shady going on.

So, you guys may not trust the staff that you do not know, but I think by now, you guys do trust me.

If you do not want Stone as a mod here even for a short time, that is fine. I am willing to work with him and that is based solely on Tishri's recommendation of him. It is for a short time, one month, two at the most. If there is EVER any conflict, we can easily grab Tishri, Jim, Sophia and Jo to resolve it. I want to assure you that no one is trying to infiltrate CCC. It is a temporary measure only.

So, we need to decide if Stone is out or in. If he is really out, then, we need to actively recruit experienced mods that we can trust and work with. I know we have some members here who are mods in other forums. If we could get some that are willing to do double duty for about a month or so, it would be very, very helpful.

I am going to go ahead and add my Yes vote for Stone. I withheld my vote for the sake of Greenie's feelings, but at the same time, I now feel that I have to do what is in the best interest of the entire forum.

This is not said to influence your vote in any way. You have all made good points why this was not the best way to go about things. However, please keep in mind that Tishri really, really, really was trying to help me and CCC. Tishri has a very kind heart, a very motherly way about her. There was no conspiracy here, but I do understand why it may have felt that way. I certainly wondered myself about it and I do not blame anyone for being wary.

We have been through some rough times. Trust is earned not automatic. Do what you think is right. That is all that any of us can do.

Love to all of you! :hug:

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Listen you guys, I want to see if we can salvage something from this.

I do not know Stone very well, but I am very, very confident in Tishri's decisions.

I think it was just an unfortunate series of events which made all of us very, very wary. Believe me, I had my own concerns over this.

First, behind the scenes, Stone made a mistake. This caused Greenie, Hen, and myself to get upset and question this move.

Underneath that Greenie, Hen, and I were a bit confused as why Greenie and Hen were not progressing towards our ultimate goal of being the Uber Green Modding Machine here in CCC. ;)

Then, Flaglady made a mistake and didn't set up Stone's original poll as public.

Then, Hen got his training badge around the same time. As we were celebrating that, and trying to understand Stone and get Stone to understand us, someone noticed that Stone had already been added as a Mod. Worse, Hen was added as a Mod, but Greenie still wasn't. :eek:

Everyone got upset. I PM'd the admins who rushed in here to fix these things. However, by that time, there had been so many mistakes that most people still were not quite sure that there wasn't something shady going on.

So, you guys may not trust the staff that you do not know, but I think by now, you guys do trust me.

If you do not want Stone as a mod here even for a short time, that is fine. I am willing to work with him and that is based solely on Tishri's recommendation of him. It is for a short time, one month, two at the most. If there is EVER any conflict, we can easily grab Tishri, Jim, Sophia and Jo to resolve it. I want to assure you that no one is trying to infiltrate CCC. It is a temporary measure only.

So, we need to decide if Stone is out or in. If he is really out, then, we need to actively recruit experienced mods that we can trust and work with. I know we have some members here who are mods in other forums. If we could get some that are willing to do double duty for about a month or so, it would be very, very helpful.

I am going to go ahead and add my Yes vote for Stone. I withheld my vote for the sake of Greenie's feelings, but at the same time, I now feel that I have to do what is in the best interest of the entire forum.

This is not said to influence your vote in any way. You have all made good points why this was not the best way to go about things. However, please keep in mind that Tishri really, really, really was trying to help me and CCC. Tishri has a very kind heart, a very motherly way about her. There was no conspiracy here, but I do understand why it may have felt that way. I certainly wondered myself about it and I do not blame anyone for being wary.

We have been through some rough times. Trust is earned not automatic. Do what you think is right. That is all that any of us can do.

Love to all of you! :hug:

Lisa
I was thinking the same thing Lisa. We all know why we reacted the way we did. :sigh: It's been a long road for this forum. But I'm confident we will get past this!

Go ahead and move my vote back to yes. Sorry to have you do so much work. :hug:

[3girls2dogs]

Listen you guys, I want to see if we can salvage something from this.

I do not know Stone very well, but I am very, very confident in Tishri's decisions.

<snip>

So, you guys may not trust the staff that you do not know, but I think by now, you guys do trust me.

If you do not want Stone as a mod here even for a short time, that is fine. I am willing to work with him and that is based solely on Tishri's recommendation of him. It is for a short time, one month, two at the most. If there is EVER any conflict, we can easily grab Tishri, Jim, Sophia and Jo to resolve it. I want to assure you that no one is trying to infiltrate CCC. It is a temporary measure only.

So, we need to decide if Stone is out or in...

<snip>

I am going to go ahead and add my Yes vote for Stone. I withheld my vote for the sake of Greenie's feelings, but at the same time, I now feel that I have to do what is in the best interest of the entire forum.

This is not said to influence your vote in any way. You have all made good points why this was not the best way to go about things. However, please keep in mind that Tishri really, really, really was trying to help me and CCC. Tishri has a very kind heart, a very motherly way about her. There was no conspiracy here, but I do understand why it may have felt that way. I certainly wondered myself about it and I do not blame anyone for being wary.

We have been through some rough times. Trust is earned not automatic. Do what you think is right. That is all that any of us can do.

Love to all of you! :hug:

Lisa

Ok, Lisa. I do trust your judgement. I am still going to take a few minutes over my coffee this morning to think about this. Not because I don't trust your judgement, just because...well, frankly, I can't function well without coffee. I do, however, want to say a couple of things.

I am quoting a post from the other thread relating to this issue, beause it directly pertains to my decisions.

Ok why all the fuss and why all the rudeness? If you dont want your mods trained faster and your newest mod relieved of some of this hard work she has had to endure say so...

I think it is entirely unfair to insinuate that because we had questions and concerns that it meant we did not care about Lisa or how heavy her workload is. In my husband's line of work, they are always understaffed, but you can't just throw anyone in there. It's a difference between life and death. Now, I know this decision certainly isn't that heavy, but the point is the same. Just because you need to add an extra hand doesn't mean any extra hand will do. We were concerned for many, very valid, reasons. I don't like being made to feel that because, I raised those concerns, I must not care about Lisa. My kids try that kind of guilt on me all the time, it doesn't work on me.

Secondly, I have yet to receive an answer as to whether Stone signed the roll simply as a technicality to become mod here or if he really believes the things he signed for. I'm bolding this because I am a typical female, and I don't like to be ignored.

It is likely I will vote yes, because I do trust Lisa and her judgement, and she has proven time and time again she has only this forum's members' interests at heart. But I just wanted to say those two things.

[Lisa0315]

Ok, Lisa. I do trust your judgement. I am still going to take a few minutes over my coffee this morning to think about this. Not because I don't trust your judgement, just because...well, frankly, I can't function well without coffee. I do, however, want to say a couple of things.

I am quoting a post from the other thread relating to this issue, beause it directly pertains to my decisions.



I think it is entirely unfair to insinuate that because we had questions and concerns that it meant we did not care about Lisa or how heavy her workload is. In my husband's line of work, they are always understaffed, but you can't just throw anyone in there. It's a difference between life and death. Now, I know this decision certainly isn't that heavy, but the point is the same. Just because you need to add an extra hand doesn't mean any extra hand will do. We were concerned for many, very valid, reasons. I don't like being made to feel that because, I raised those concerns, I must not care about Lisa. My kids try that kind of guilt on me all the time, it doesn't work on me.

Secondly, I have yet to receive an answer as to whether Stone signed the roll simply as a technicality to become mod here or if he really believes the things he signed for. I'm bolding this because I am a typical female, and I don't like to be ignored.

It is likely I will vote yes, because I do trust Lisa and her judgement, and she has proven time and time again she has only this forum's members' interests at heart. But I just wanted to say those two things.

That is understandable which is why I am looking for other options. We do have other mods who are already members here and we can perhaps convince them to step in for a short time here.

However, please know that Stone did volunteer to do this, which does say something for him.

So, it is entirely your decision. No one is going to be upset at anyone if you cannot live with Stone being a mod here.

I just felt as if my not speaking for or against might in some way be influencing this as well.

Lisa

[Tishri1]

:hug: :hug: :Hug:
sorry.
really.awe commerehttp://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/flagady15/smilies/th_buddies-1.gif

[Tishri1]

I'm sorry too. :hug:commere you toohttp://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/flagady15/smilies/th_hugme.gif

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

commere you toohttp://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/flagady15/smilies/th_hugme.gif

:groupray: Group hug! :D

[Rep Daddy]

Tishri, I know you are trying to help. However, a thread explaining what you are considering and allowing a day for member comments and questions would have prevented most of this. And one extra day would not have been unthinkable.

The questions surfaced were not answered very well and many were ignored. Read the thread.

my 2 cents

[Tishri1]

Ok, Lisa. I do trust your judgement. I am still going to take a few minutes over my coffee this morning to think about this. Not because I don't trust your judgement, just because...well, frankly, I can't function well without coffee. I do, however, want to say a couple of things.

I am quoting a post from the other thread relating to this issue, beause it directly pertains to my decisions.



I think it is entirely unfair to insinuate that because we had questions and concerns that it meant we did not care about Lisa or how heavy her workload is. In my husband's line of work, they are always understaffed, but you can't just throw anyone in there. It's a difference between life and death. Now, I know this decision certainly isn't that heavy, but the point is the same. Just because you need to add an extra hand doesn't mean any extra hand will do. We were concerned for many, very valid, reasons. I don't like being made to feel that because, I raised those concerns, I must not care about Lisa. My kids try that kind of guilt on me all the time, it doesn't work on me.

Secondly, I have yet to receive an answer as to whether Stone signed the roll simply as a technicality to become mod here or if he really believes the things he signed for. I'm bolding this because I am a typical female, and I don't like to be ignored.

It is likely I will vote yes, because I do trust Lisa and her judgement, and she has proven time and time again she has only this forum's members' interests at heart. But I just wanted to say those two things.First I can say I felt the same way when I read all the accusations directed my way ,( that I made "do do" on the floor:eek::doh: really that is the ultimate flame:sigh: my comment was directed at remarks like that one) I was seriously wondering why you(as in the group) would want to be sooo rude to anyone who came in to help train your mods for you:sigh:

second if you read you will see Stone DID answer your question go back and see its there:wave:

[Tishri1]

Tishri, I know you are trying to help. However, a thread explaining what you are considering and allowing a day for member comments and questions would have prevented most of this. And one extra day would not have been unthinkable.

The questions surfaced were not answered very well and many were ignored. Read the thread.

my 2 centsthis issue was discussed in great detail behind the scenes for a few weeks when it became apparent that Lisa was struggling and GM was waiting soooo long to be trained and also others were moving up the ranks quickly behind here, I offered to help back then as I was finishing up "live "training with a mod in MJ and it had gone better than imagined , I went to great lengths thru PMs with Jim and Jo to see if they wanted me to jump over here next and to assure them I was only here to train (thats all I wanted to do even though soooo much more was needed for lisa at the time) we discussed pulling in extra help for the time being and I saw the use of the same mods who helped me train our first"live" mod would work perfectly as they had already been thru the first round and knew how I worked and were great to carry all that experience over here as well as help reach a consenus faster in the reports

hind sight yes you are right all that could have been done in a thread here... also PMs asking and inquiring could have been done as well, and not jumping to conclusions and throwing rude and disgusting comments my way:sigh:

do you really think this would have been a trouble free experience if I had jumped into your forum from the get go...If so I apologize for not thinking....:pray:

can you all apologize for thinking the worst and drawing conclusions with out seeking out the facts :groupray:

[Criada]

Can we leave this alone now, folks?
Cos - is sorted as far as is possible till Anna comes back.
And being nasty to/about each other doesn't help.
No-one set out to cause hurt - mistakes happen! We are all human - and given the amount of work staff have to do, is hardly surprising things aren't always perfect straight away.
So - let's move on, eh.
This is usually such a friendly, lovely place - can we get back to that?
:hug: :hug:

[3girls2dogs]

This is not completely accurate. When i stated in your roll call, that i am conservative, i had already been put under the impression that i was no longer going to be asked to help out in this forum. I added my name to the list just to be compliant with your rules for future post that i may want to participate in, since i had just recently discovered that this forum even existed. The last thing i was expecting was a poll in here about my modding. In fact i was chatting with Flaglady and Lisa over in the staff room about logging ref's and delete's and such, when Flaglady suggested that i may want to come here and participate in this thread. It was a bit of a surprise to me.

I do know that the l-rd led me to this forum a couple of years ago; and that it is my gift to your forum from me to volunteer to help out when i am able to.
If this is the answer you are referring to, I'm sorry, but it didn't seem to be very clear to me.

I do apologize to you, Tishri. I'm sure you are a wonderful person, and I have nothing against new people coming in here at all. Yesterday felt really contrived, though, and I wasn't please. I don't think I said anything mean, though, but if I did, I am truly sorry. I was cranky yesterday, not that that is an excuse, of course. Just some reasoning.

I voted yes, because I trust Lisa's judgement, and also because I have seen you in other parts of the board and have always thought of you as fair.

I will just take a leap and hope it pans out. :groupray: all around

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Can we leave this alone now, folks?
Cos - is sorted as far as is possible till Anna comes back.
And being nasty to/about each other doesn't help.
No-one set out to cause hurt - mistakes happen! We are all human - and given the amount of work staff have to do, is hardly surprising things aren't always perfect straight away.
So - let's move on, eh.
This is usually such a friendly, lovely place - can we get back to that?
:hug: :hug:
:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Rep Daddy]

this issue was discussed in great detail behind the scenes for a few weeks when it became apparent that Lisa was struggling and GM was waiting soooo long to be trained and also others were moving up the ranks quickly behind here, I offered to help back then as I was finishing up "live "training with a mod in MJ and it had gone better than imagined , I went to great lengths thru PMs with Jim and Jo to see if they wanted me to jump over here next and to assure them I was only here to train (thats all I wanted to do even though soooo much more was needed for lisa at the time) we discussed pulling in extra help for the time being and I saw the use of the same mods who helped me train our first"live" mod would work perfectly as they had already been thru the first round and knew how I worked and were great to carry all that experience over here as well as help reach a consenus faster in the reports

hind sight yes you are right all that could have been done in a thread here... also PMs asking and inquiring could have been done as well, and not jumping to conclusions and throwing rude and disgusting comments my way:sigh