The Day of AtonementBegins at sundown Thursday, September 20th

[ozell]

"And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." Romans 5:11.

Many bible readers and believers have no problem agreeing with the apostle Paul's above statement.

Yes, I am sure they will zealously profess that Jesus made atonement for their sins, by dying on the cross.

However, if you asked them the meaning of atonement or what day represents it, some would stutter and others would stare in disbelief. This immediately brings to mind another statement Paul made "For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. (Romans 10:2)

Atonement means to make amends or payment for past sins or errors and this is to be acknowledged on The Day of Atonement, which is known as Yom Kippur (Yiddish) to the world.

Sure, Jesus did make Atonement for our sins and it is important that we know when to celebrate this act of repayment made by our God." Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement.

It shall be an holy convocation (gathering) onto you, and ye shall afflict (fast) your souls ... Leviticus 23:27.

God is omnipotent, therefore, he knew from the beginning that Jesus would die for our sins and he had Israel celebrate this act even before it happened.

Read Leviticus the 16th chapter and you will learn that the death and resurrection of Jesus was acknowledged (and still is to be) every year on this Holy day.

Each year on the day of atonement the high priest would kill a goat for the sins of the people and sprinkle his blood on the mercy seat. The priest would then take a living goat and lay all the sins upon it, afterwards, letting him go into a land not inhabited.

This all represented Jesus.

Jesus is now our high priest who sacrificed himself and who bore our sins. "But Christ being come an high priest... "Hebrews 9:11 "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews I 0: I 0) " Surely he hath borne our grief, and carried our sorrows..."Isaiah 53:4 and again..... The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

(Isaiah 53:6) Instead of raising a goat from the dead God used two, one to represent the death of Jesus and the live goat to represent his resurrection because Jesus had to be living to take our sins upon himself.

"For if, when we were enemies, we were
reconciled to God by the death of his son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life"

(Romans 5: 10) Paul also said in I Corinthians 15:17 "And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins" - You see how Jesus resurrection (live goat) is just as important as his death (dead goat).

Now if you believe in Jesus, how then can you reject the holy Day of Atonement, which is a sign of Jesus and who he is to us? This is why God said celebrate it forever. Leviticus 23:31,32 says "ye shall do no manner of work it shall be a statue forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

It shall be unto you a Sabbath. It shall be unto you a Sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even. From even unto even shall ye celebrate your Sabbath." Nevertheless, many would be believers must not believe that forever means forever because they won't be celebrating the Day of Atonement.

However, they will be celebrating Halloween (all saints day), which the Lord speaks nothing about.

Many will go out and buy pumpkins, make pumpkin pie and trick or treat but how many will afflict their souls as the Lord commanded.

Afflicting your soul doesn't mean cutting or physically harming yourself but only fasting and abstaining from usual pleasures. This should be no problem for those who truly believe that Jesus made atonement for our sins by being afflicted. "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter (Isaiah 53:7)

The prophet Joel told us how to observe this holy day (holiday ) saying "Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord. (Joel: 1: 1 4)

With all this information on The Day of Atonement, it's a wonder that hardly anyone observes it. Maybe, just Maybe, it's like we said earlier, simply a lack of knowledge, however, if you're reading this you have no more cloak for your sin

[DeanM]

I think it starts Friday Sept 21 at Sundown, and goes through Saturday at sundown.

At least that's when I will be observing it.

[Cris413]

The name "Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement," and that pretty much explains what the holiday is. It is a day set aside to "afflict the soul," to atone for the sins of the past year.

How heartbreaking it must be for God when anyone considers the blood of the Lamb is not a sufficient sacrifice for the atonement of sin.

:(

[ozell]

I think it starts Friday Sept 21 at Sundown, and goes through Saturday at sundown.

At least that's when I will be observing it.

Hi dean

we do our own calendar and this is what we came up with.

but also

we asked and pressed the Jewish leadership why they changed the date

they do not want there people to observe back to back sabbath.

which will happened
sundown thursday to sunday friday atonement

and then the weekly sabbath kicks in.

[ozell]

The name "Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement," and that pretty much explains what the holiday is. It is a day set aside to "afflict the soul," to atone for the sins of the past year.

How heartbreaking it must be for God when anyone considers the blood of the Lamb is not a sufficient sacrifice for the atonement of sin.

:(

If you only understood the high sabbath days.

they point to the coming of Jesus.

when christians do not keep God's commandments

and continue to sin.

How could they know or understand?

let ne say this.

God gave the oracles to Israel, Israel knows, the gentile don't

the gentiles was sacificeing to devils when the OT and NT was written.

any holy day out side of the word of God is Pagan.

[DeanM]

The name "Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement," and that pretty much explains what the holiday is. It is a day set aside to "afflict the soul," to atone for the sins of the past year.

How heartbreaking it must be for God when anyone considers the blood of the Lamb is not a sufficient sacrifice for the atonement of sin.

:(
Well.......

Jesus' sacrifice was indeed all that was necessary for the removal of sin, but the Bible also states that we should repent our sins.

And as to what is "heartbreaking to God," I would think that people who Don't repent and ask for atonement run this risk.

You may not want to hold Yom Kippur as a Holy day. That's fine with me. You may not keep passover either. But some of us do. Don't tell us we're breaking God's heart.

Think of Yom Kippur as a day of repentance, and that's how I see it.

The high Holy day was not overturned by Jesus' sacrifice. Likewise, neither was Passover.

Though the organized Christian church does not regard Yom Kippur, it does not mean that the Holy day is not without merit.

I repent on Yom Kippur out of respect for God's word.

Nobody is forcing anyone else to do this. Skip it if you like. Don't judge the people who keep God's holy days.

[Eccl12and13]

It appears the creator had a plan even before the world was formed as we can read in the following verse;


2 Tim 1:

[9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


So, knowing Christ would come and die for our sins, God still intructs us to keep His holy days FOREVER!!!:


Lev 23:

[27] Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
[28] And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
[29] For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
[30] And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
[31] Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[32] It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.


We can even see that His High days and Sabbaths will even be kept during Christ 1000 year rule on this earth;


Zech 14:

[16] And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

[18] And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

[19] This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.



And again:



Isa 66:

[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.



This is why I will be observing Gods' high day this Thursday. Because when He says FOREVER he means just that. And I know he means it because above in Zech 14 vs 16, everyone that is left, ".....of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles."


So for those who think you can get by and not do His commandments, all I can say is this; If you are blessed and are alive during Christ reign, one way or another you will be keeping His Sabbaths and High days. Because if not, ".....And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."


The choice is yours; You can get used to doing them now, or you will be FORCED to do them later!


And while I'm on the topic, here is a question... Do you think the Sabbath Day that ALL WILL keep during the millennium period will differ from the one God established from the beginning? Do you think He will give those nations the "option" to serve Him whenever they like, saying 'we can serve God everyday.'? Or will He stay true to His word,

Lev 23;

[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

[3] Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.



Mal 3;
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not;

Heb 13;
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

[Cris413]

Well....... Jesus' sacrifice was indeed all that was necessary for the removal of sin, but the Bible also states that we should repent our sins. How wonderful you understand this. And as to what is "heartbreaking to God," I would think that people who Don't repent and ask for atonement run this risk. Yes...an unrepentant heart is sad indeed...but how many times does one have to ask for atonement...the crucifixion of Jesus Christ wasn't enough antonement? You may not want to hold Yom Kippur as a Holy day. That's fine with me. You may not keep passover either. But some of us do. Don't tell us we're breaking God's heart. Think of Yom Kippur as a day of repentance, and that's how I see it. I beg to differ. Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement....not the Day of Repentance.

Main Entry: atone·ment
1 obsolete : RECONCILIATION
2 : the reconciliation of God and humankind through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ
3 : reparation for an offense or injury :

Main Entry: 1re·pent
1 : to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life
2 a : to feel regret or contrition b : to change one's mind transitive verb1 : to cause to feel regret or contrition
2 : to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for - re·pent·er noun

If you consider Yom Kippur is a day of repentance then you clearly do not understand Yom Kippur and it's significance.

The Jewish community takes Yom Kippur quite seriously...as there is no atonement for their sins otherwise. And it cannot even be done properly without the Temple...

A repentant heart is something we should possess - always when we blow it... and we will blow it.

We don't wait for Yom Kippur. Repentance should be immediate upon the Holy Spirit convicting our hearts of an offence. The high Holy day was not overturned by Jesus' sacrifice. Not for the Jews...and I really don't understand how one atones for sin without a sin sacrifice. Without the shedding of blood...there is no remission for sin. (You may want to read through Hebrews)

I've had wonderful conversations with Jewish friends regarding these things...and they really don't have an answer either...most of them observe Yom Kippur as it's simply the best they can offer in these modern times without the Temple. Likewise, neither was Passover. Now Passover is a completely different observance....

Passover is in remembrance of our deliverence out of bondage!

One of the most deeply moving spiritual experiences of my life was participating in a Messianic Passover Though the organized Christian church does not regard Yom Kippur, it does not mean that the Holy day is not without merit.Yes...for the Jews and it is quite sad that it's not enough without the blood of the Lamb I repent on Yom Kippur out of respect for God's word. Repentance is great and pleasing to God...any and every day...but considering you MUST repent on Yom Kippur is a vain ritual.

Jesus Christ atoned for your sin sufficiently on the cross. Nobody is forcing anyone else to do this. Skip it if you like. Don't judge the people who keep God's holy days.I always make note of Yom Kippur. I do not observe Yom Kippur because there is no need for me to.

I always think of my Jewish friends on Yom Kippur. How much they mean to me...and how I pray for their redemption through Jesus Christ.

It also makes me a little sad...because I know that all they do...is in vain without the blood of the Lamb.

My suggestion would be...if you are to observe Yom Kippur...do it properly...not just the way you think will be "OK" because you've decided it's simply a day of repentance.

I'm not judging anyone...but I do believe that it grieves God when belivers in Jesus Christ consider His blood was not sufficient and therefore must "work" and strive to earn salvation in and of themselves...particularly in some vain ritual.

I will add as well...I believe it also grieves God greatly when anyone...Jew or Gentile rejects the blood of Jesus Christ.

Honestly...I would take "mainstream" christianity over some cultish sect trying to convince me that I'm still under the Law and need to earn my salvation...

The Law...that never was given to me in the first place as a Gentile.

[DeanM]

[quote=Cris413;38969112]How wonderful you understand this. Yes...an unrepentant heart is sad indeed...but how many times does one have to ask for atonement...the crucifixion of Jesus Christ wasn't enough antonement? I beg to differ.


Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement....not the Day of Repentance.

How wonderful I understand this? Oh! It's sarcasm!
No worries there. I personally don't stoop to that level, but for you, it may be the best you have to offer.

And as far as your definition of Yom Kippur, did you bother to look it up? You're correct, It is a day of atonement, as I clearly said before. But not a day of repentance?

Dictionary.com differs with your home-spun definition.

Yom Kip·pur
–noun a Jewish high holy day observed on the 10th day of the month of Tishri by abstinence from food and drink and by the daylong recitation of prayers of repentance in the synagogue.
Also called Day of Atonement. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Day of Atonement)



Do ya see the word "Repentance" there? I'm not just making this stuff up.



Main Entry: atone·ment
1 obsolete : RECONCILIATION
2 : the reconciliation of God and humankind through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ
3 : reparation for an offense or injury :

Main Entry: 1re·pent
1 : to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life
2 a : to feel regret or contrition b : to change one's mind transitive verb1 : to cause to feel regret or contrition
2 : to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for - re·pent·er noun


And now that we've established that Yom Kippur involves repentance, let's apply the definition that you provided. What does Jesus say?

Matthew 4:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=4&verse=17&version=31&context=verse)
From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Matthew 4:16-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=4&verse=16&end_verse=18&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Matthew 4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=4&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)

Jesus told us we need to repent. Do you not agree?




If you consider Yom Kippur is a day of repentance then you clearly do not understand Yom Kippur and it's significance.


I could say the same of your understanding. It is also the day of reflection upon the past year, and a day to remember those who have passed on. I choose to repent, as commanded by Jesus, who was a Jew, and who held Yom Kippur as a high Holy Day. Again, if you choose not to, I am fine with that. Just don't tell me I don't understand.



The Jewish community takes Yom Kippur quite seriously...as there is no atonement for their sins otherwise. And it cannot even be done properly without the Temple...


Prove it.



A repentant heart is something we should possess - always when we blow it... and we will blow it.


So why do you treat me with such venom when I repent on this particular day?

We don't wait for Yom Kippur. Repentance should be immediate upon the Holy Spirit convicting our hearts of an offence.

So you're saying that the Holy Spirit will do all the work, and we just have to sit back and relax?

Not for the Jews...

Are you antisemitic? They are as entitled to their beliefs as you are.

and I really don't understand

True


how one atones for sin without a sin sacrifice. Without the shedding of blood...there is no remission for sin.

Hebrews 9 19-24

19When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."[e (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=65&chapter=9&version=31#fen-NIV-30110e)] 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

The scripture you're quoting is from the context of Moses (a Jew) using the blood of a calf.
You're trying to say the Jews do not know of this?


(You may want to read through Hebrews)

I did, and well, it does not back up your claim. It backs up my claim

I've had wonderful conversations with Jewish friends regarding these things...and they really don't have an answer either...most of them observe Yom Kippur as it's simply the best they can offer in these modern times without the Temple.

It's hard to answer somebody as mixed up as yourself. I don't blame them for having difficulty conveying anything to you.


Now Passover is a completely different observance....

Passover is in remembrance of our deliverence out of bondage!


Our? We're Jewish all of a sudden?


One of the most deeply moving spiritual experiences of my life was participating in a Messianic Passover Yes...for the Jews and it is quite sad that it's not enough without the blood of the Lamb Repentance is great and pleasing to God...any and every day...but considering you MUST repent on Yom Kippur is a vain ritual.


Wait a second! Who said anything about "I must" repent on Yom Kippur. Nobody is holding a gun to my head. And for the same reason, as I have said over and over, I don't care whether you observe this high Holy day or not.

Jesus Christ atoned for your sin sufficiently on the cross. I always make note of Yom Kippur. I do not observe Yom Kippur because there is no need for me to.

That's your right. And it's my right to think otherwise. You're the one who said that the observence of Yom Kippur caused God "Heartache."

I always think of my Jewish friends on Yom Kippur. How much they mean to me...and how I pray for their redemption through Jesus Christ.

And do they ask for your prayers?

It also makes me a little sad...because I know that all they do...is in vain without the blood of the Lamb.

And the Blood of the Lamb is nothing without faith and repentence.

My suggestion would be...if you are to observe Yom Kippur...do it properly...not just the way you think will be "OK" because you've decided it's simply a day of repentance.

Where on Earth did you get the idea that I do it improperly?

I'm not judging anyone...

Saying that anyone who repents on this high Holy day causes God "Heartache" sure sounds judgemental.

but I do believe that it grieves God when belivers in Jesus Christ consider His blood was not sufficient and therefore must "work" and strive to earn salvation in and of themselves...particularly in some vain ritual.

"It grieves God?" How are you not judging? "A vain ritual?"

I will add as well...I believe it also grieves God greatly when anyone...Jew or Gentile rejects the blood of Jesus Christ.

What you believe should not be wielded like a club.

Honestly...I would take "mainstream" christianity over some cultish sect trying to convince me that I'm still under the Law and need to earn my salvation...

Judaism is a "cultish sect"?

The Law...that never was given to me in the first place as a Gentile.

Does your Bible omit the old testament? Mine doesn't.

The bottom line is this. If you do not wish to observe Yom Kippur, then don't. As far as anyone else who does, why would you berate them so badly? God does not feel heartache when one of His children repents their sins. How dare you sling such accusations?

If you don't like Yom Kippur, or repenting, or Jews, or whatever your problem is, just get over it. And when you say that God "grieves" over something that you obviously know very little about, it makes you look like you have no compassion, understanding, tolerance, or love for your fellow human beings.

[cyberlizard]

it's actually 'yom kippurim' the day of AtonementS, just isn't written like that for english translations.

What is more, it is not a removal of an individual's sin, but a corporate removal of the sin of Israel, like it says, behold the lamb who takes away the sin of the world.

But there is more to it than atonement for sin, as it was not only people that atonement was made for. atonement was also made for the altar... i must ask when did the altar sin.


Steve

p.s. it is not just about saying sorry and being apologetic over sin, it demands that you set things straight between you and your neighbour.

[holo]

Read Leviticus the 16th chapter and you will learn that the death and resurrection of Jesus was acknowledged (and still is to be) every year on this Holy day.Yeah, for people in the old covenant. I'm not in that covenant though.

Nevertheless, many would be believers must not believe that forever means forever because they won't be celebrating the Day of Atonement.Much like yourself then, who don't believe that the "eternal" law is actually eternal. You have said yourself that the "ceremonial law" was done away with...

Many will go out and buy pumpkins, make pumpkin pie and trick or treat but how many will afflict their souls as the Lord commanded.

Afflicting your soul doesn't mean cutting or physically harming yourself but only fasting and abstaining from usual pleasures.Why?

The prophet Joel told us how to observe this holy day (holiday ) saying "Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord. (Joel: 1: 1 4)1. He didn't tell "us." He told Israel.
2. Where is this "house of the Lord?"

however, if you're reading this you have no more cloak for your sinAh, bummer...

[Cris413]

Dean...

I sincerely was not trying to be sarcastic...and my intent was certainly not venomous or hostile. Not sure exactly why you think I'm anti-semitic.

It didn't even occur to me that anyone would consider I meant Judaism when I referred to cultish sects. I was speaking about belief systems that profess Christ and yet insist believers must atone for their own sin to obtain salvation...

I do however, get a little tired of "mainstream" Christianity being bashed left and right simply to deflect the fact these doctrines ARE false doctrines...

…being taught by people proclaiming that they have some super fabulous special belief system that only they understand....and everyone else just is just "mainstream" pseudo-christians.

I read over my post several times...looking for anything I may have said that could have been misconstrued as venomous or uncompassionate and I simply don't see it.

Now...other than I could have been a bit more precise regarding my thoughts on cultish sects I think my post was pretty clear.

Passover...that's pretty fine hair to split I think. OK ...the Jews deliverance from their bondage in Egypt and the believer's deliverance from the bondage of sin...(Egypt being a type of the world from which believers have been delivered) As I said...I'm familiar with the Messianic Passover Haggadah.

Am I wielding a club...or the Sword of the Spirit...God is the only One who can truly be the judge of my words and the intent of my heart...

And if you felt beat up...well...all I can say is perhaps it's the message and not the messenger that you have a problem with...just something to consider...

You can attack me personally all you like, I take no offense and it won't change a thing.

Peace

[jive4005]

Shalom...

His,
Rev J

[Cris413]

If you only understood the high sabbath days.

they point to the coming of Jesus.

when christians do not keep God's commandments

and continue to sin.

How could they know or understand?

let ne say this.

God gave the oracles to Israel, Israel knows, the gentile don't

the gentiles was sacificeing to devils when the OT and NT was written.

any holy day out side of the word of God is Pagan.

Even though I consider have a fairly good grasp of the foreshadowing in the OT regarding ceremony, festivals and holy days and such...(OT is Christ concealed and NT is Christ revealed)

... the study of God's word is ALWAYS an ongoing learning process as we grow in the Spirit so I will by no means ever claim to be a theologian...

I will agree with you that most of our Holidays are rooted in some form of paganism...easter eggs, christmas trees, yule logs, jack-o-lanterns, Halloween masks...just to name a few...pretty much everyone knows this.

We personally do not celebrate Halloween...but that's simply our personal choice....I wouldn't presume to judge anyone's heart that let their kids dress up and go trick or treating...but it is a satanic holy day and we prefer to opt out and spend the evening in prayer.

And before you get your kickers in a knot about me judging someone observing Yom Kippur when obviously I'm "OK" with halloween...

Just let me say...it's the heart of the matter that really counts...letting kids dress up and having some fun is completely different condition of the heart...

Obeying a ritual with the heart that it's necessary to atone for sin to obtain salvation...not so good IMHO.

If parents were dressing up their kids so evil spirits will pass them by...well...then we might have a problem.

It is pretty sad that for most of the population..Jesus is no longer the focus of the Christmas Season and there are those fighting tooth and nail to take Christ out of Christmas.

Best estimation Jesus was born late September in 2 BC...

But it's not the day...it's the remembrance of the birth of our Lord that's important why He came as a babe in the manger and not the Warrior King the Jews were expecting the Messiah to be.

Christ should be in our remembrance every moment of every day...not just at Christmas time.

Christmas used to be a time of peace on Earth and goodwill toward men...but somehow it's become a stress filled hustle/bustle consumer nightmare and most societies in general seem to have forgotten what the heart of Christmas is all about.

Anyway...I'm getting a little carried away here...

Personally we would rather observe a Messianic Passover than Easter...

The dates for Easter are pretty off kilter as well but again...it's not about the precise day...but about the remembrance and gratitude we have in our hearts for the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior.

How cool are you and your group to take it upon yourselves to challenge the Jewish leadership regarding the precise day of Yom Kippur...(please excuse my sarcasm here...I simply couldn't resist ;) )

[Cris413]

I was just reading through your post #9 to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding your attitude...when I responded earlier...post #12 I think....

and I realized you edited my "quotes" in such a manner that butchered the meaning of just about everything I wrote.

Not to mention you "quoted" me to appear as though I was referring to Passover when I was clearly speaking about Yom Kippur in my original post. That makes a HUGE difference!

You edited my words to make your responses "seem" more appropriate and validated...If you EVER do it again...I'll report you. If there is still such a thing in this forum or any rules for decorum at all. That's just about as underhanded as it gets!

And make no mistake...my harsh tone is absolutely intended in this post...(if this is the anger you were looking to incite...so sorry to disappoint you...I'm not angry but I am quite appalled.)

I tried to consider that perhaps you were just so angry that you were not paying attention to what you were doing...but it's pretty obvious...it was intentional.

Even if it were an honest mistake....If you can't be responsible in taking the time to make sure you quote others accurately and in context...then I suggest you don't quote people.

[DeanM]

I was just reading through your post #9 to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding your attitude...when I responded earlier...post #12 I think....

and I realized you edited my "quotes" in such a manner that butchered the meaning of just about everything I wrote.

Not to mention you "quoted" me to appear as though I was referring to Passover when I was clearly speaking about Yom Kippur in my original post. That makes a HUGE difference!

You edited my words to make your responses "seem" more appropriate and validated...If you EVER do it again...I'll report you. If there is still such a thing in this forum or any rules for decorum at all. That's just about as underhanded as it gets!

And make no mistake...my harsh tone is absolutely intended in this post...(if this is the anger you were looking to incite...so sorry to disappoint you...I'm not angry but I am quite appalled.)

I tried to consider that perhaps you were just so angry that you were not paying attention to what you were doing...but it's pretty obvious...it was intentional.

Even if it were an honest mistake....If you can't be responsible in taking the time to make sure you quote others accurately and in context...then I suggest you don't quote people.
I accept your apology.

[Cris413]

I accept your apology.

:swoon:

Peace

[Zecryphon]

Even though I consider have a fairly good grasp of the foreshadowing in the OT regarding ceremony, festivals and holy days and such...(OT is Christ concealed and NT is Christ revealed)

... the study of God's word is ALWAYS an ongoing learning process as we grow in the Spirit so I will by no means ever claim to be a theologian...

I will agree with you that most of our Holidays are rooted in some form of paganism...easter eggs, christmas trees, yule logs, jack-o-lanterns, Halloween masks...just to name a few...pretty much everyone knows this.

We personally do not celebrate Halloween...but that's simply our personal choice....I wouldn't presume to judge anyone's heart that let their kids dress up and go trick or treating...but it is a satanic holy day and we prefer to opt out and spend the evening in prayer.

And before you get your kickers in a knot about me judging someone observing Yom Kippur when obviously I'm "OK" with halloween...

Just let me say...it's the heart of the matter that really counts...letting kids dress up and having some fun is completely different condition of the heart...

Obeying a ritual with the heart that it's necessary to atone for sin to obtain salvation...not so good IMHO.

If parents were dressing up their kids so evil spirits will pass them by...well...then we might have a problem.

It is pretty sad that for most of the population..Jesus is no longer the focus of the Christmas Season and there are those fighting tooth and nail to take Christ out of Christmas.

Best estimation Jesus was born late September in 2 BC...

But it's not the day...it's the remembrance of the birth of our Lord that's important why He came as a babe in the manger and not the Warrior King the Jews were expecting the Messiah to be.

Christ should be in our remembrance every moment of every day...not just at Christmas time.

Christmas used to be a time of peace on Earth and goodwill toward men...but somehow it's become a stress filled hustle/bustle consumer nightmare and most societies in general seem to have forgotten what the heart of Christmas is all about.

Anyway...I'm getting a little carried away here...

Personally we would rather observe a Messianic Passover than Easter...

The dates for Easter are pretty off kilter as well but again...it's not about the precise day...but about the remembrance and gratitude we have in our hearts for the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior.

How cool are you and your group to take it upon yourselves to challenge the Jewish leadership regarding the precise day of Yom Kippur...(please excuse my sarcasm here...I simply couldn't resist ;) )
"but it is a satanic holy day and we prefer to opt out and spend the evening in prayer."

Actually, as Satanic Holy Days go, Halloween is not number one. Your birthday is. Satanists view themselves as the godhead of their religion, therefore since they are the supreme being, the day of their birth is the most imortant day to them. Halloween, is like # 3 on the list, if it's actually on the list at all. A common misconception is that Satanists worship Satan. They do not, they worship themselves. They do not bow down to anyone or anything. It's really about rebellion against all forms or religious practice. Now I'm talking about LaVeyan Satanism here, there are other forms I'm sure.

[Cris413]

"but it is a satanic holy day and we prefer to opt out and spend the evening in prayer."

Actually, as Satanic Holy Days go, Halloween is not number one. Your birthday is. Satanists view themselves as the godhead of their religion, therefore since they are the supreme being, the day of their birth is the most imortant day to them. Halloween, is like # 3 on the list, if it's actually on the list at all. A common misconception is that Satanists worship Satan. They do not, they worship themselves. They do not bow down to anyone or anything. It's really about rebellion against all forms or religious practice. Now I'm talking about LaVeyan Satanism here, there are other forms I'm sure.
Many unfortunately...

Interesting thoughts on birthdays....This is probably where the JW's get their doctrine on not celebrating birthdays.

Again...I think it has more to do with the heart of the matter...

I sincerely doubt anyone will go into a spiritual down fall over a birthday cake and some candles...;)

Now, if one were to worship their own birth and celebrate themselves above God...yikes!

Always a pleasure to read your posts brother!

[JolieHeart]

God bless you all. To me, the terms repentance and atonement are linked. Not necessarily interchangeable, but interdependent. Happy Yom Kippur!!