The Sign Of Jonas 3 Days & 3 Nights

[ozell]

It has been taught that Jesus died on Good Friday and rose early Sunday morning. As a result of this teaching, man instituted the holiday called Easter.
And on Easter Sunday you have Christians, world wide paying tribute to a day, in which they believe Jesus was resurrected. In researching the scriptures one will find that the whole concept of Jesus dying on a Friday and being resurrected on Sunday is contrary to the bible itself. In other words this tradition directly contradicts the word of God.

In this lesson one will see what the scriptures say concerning the death and resurrection of Jesus.

[ozell]

EASTER CREATED BY MAN

Now before we get into the death and resurrection of Jesus we need to address Easter itself.While it is the not purpose of this lesson to discuss or examine in it's entirety the tradition of Easter, I will look at it from the perspective of the bible. And the scriptures will show that Easter, is a tradition implemented by man. The word Easter appears in the bible one time and one time only. The following verse is the one that makes reference to Easter.

Acts (12:4) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

Now an individual may see this, as the legitimizingof the holiday Easter. After all one sees it being referred to in the bible.

However if we look at the verse directly above this one, it points to the fact, that the period being referred to is actually the Passover.

Acts (12:3) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Verse (3) states that when Peter was taken it was the days of unleavened bread. One can determine that the time they were going to bring forth Peter was the Passover, by looking at the following verses.

In them one will see that the Passover, is the day proceeding the Feast of Unleavened Bread not Easter. In addition the verse in John, states that it was a Jewish custom that the Romans would deliver unto them one at the time of the Passover.

Leviticus (23:5) In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
(23:6) And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

John (18:39) But you have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

In closing concerning the subject of Easter, one will not find that its observance is supported by the bible. And that is because, Easter itself is supposed to be a commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus. And Jesus told us to commemorate His death not His resurrection.

Luke (22:19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

In reading chapter 22 of the Gospel of Luke one will find that Jesus asked this of His disciples during the Passover meal. The Passover is what Jesus asked us to observe to remind ourselves that He died for us not Easter. Jesus asked us to commemorate the Passover. He was not only to die on the Passover, He became our Passover. For a more through explanation on the Passover please view the lesson (Is This Not The Passover)

[ozell]

JESUS GIVES A SIGN

Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.

(Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

(John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
(19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
(20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
(21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights

[ozell]

CANNOT GET 3 DAYS & 3 NIGHTS

Now despite the fact that Jesus Himself said that He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights man has come up with the tradition of Jesus dying on Good Friday and rising early Sunday morning. In following this tradition not only does one not observe one of God's Holy Days which is the Passover, they directly deny the words of Jesus. Because it was Jesus who gave the sign of being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. The tradition of Good Friday and Easter clearly does not line up with scripture. Because following this tradition the maximum one has Jesus in the grave is 1 day and 2 nights.

According to tradition if Jesus had died on Friday, He would have been in the grave Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night. One would not count Sunday because in John (20:1) it states that the 1st day of the week which is Sunday, Mary came to the grave site when it was still dark. In Luke (24:1-6) They find that the stone which was placed in front of the sepulcher had been removed and an angel tells them that Jesus had already risen.

(John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
(2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
(2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
(3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
(4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee

[ozell]

JESUS DIED ON THE PASSOVER

The following verses will serve to show that Jesus died on the Passover. It states in Mark (15:42-45) that on the evening of the preparation day, which is the day before the Sabbath, Joseph a counseller asked for the body of Jesus. Once Pilate determined Jesus was dead, he gave him the body.

Mark (15:42) And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,
(43) Joseph of Aarimathaea, an honourable counseller, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

The above scriptures is where the problem lied with the early church trying to interpret the events of the bible. One should take note, that what the majority of modern day Christians, practice or follow come directly from the Roman Catholic Church.

You had non spiritual people trying to decipher events that were spiritual. Since the scriptures stated, that the preparation day, was the day before the Sabbath, they automatically assumed this event took place on a Friday, because they knew the Lord's Sabbath was from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

That is how they came up with the concept that Jesus died on Friday and He rose early Sunday morning. What they failed to take into account were the Lord's Holy Days or as they are also called High Sabbaths. There are seven yearly Sabbaths and they with the exception of Pentecost can fall on any day of the week.

At the beginning of this lesson it was showed in Leviticus (23:4) that the Passover which is the 14th of the month, is the day before the feast of Unleavened Bread which is a Holy Day or A High Sabbath. The Passover is sometimes refereed as the preparation day because they use this day to prepare for the feast.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the Sabbath which was being refereed to in Mark(15:42) when it was stated that Joseph craved the body of Jesus. Jesus had been crucified on the Passover and the next day was the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Jesus foretold as to when, His death would occur.

(Matthew 26:1) And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
(2) Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Now remember Gods days start at evening and end the next evening. Keep that in mind as you view the next set of scriptures. Jesus had been betrayed by Judas the evening of the Passover.

John 13 tells how Jesus and His disciples that evening were sharing the Passover meal.

John (18:3) shows that same evening, Jesus was betrayed and taken away. And one knows it was still nighttime when they took Jesus, because the men that came and took and bound Him had lanterns and torches.

Jesus was crucified the next day but it was still the Passover.

Remember God's days run from sundown to sundown. Jesus had been taken into custody the night of the Passover and the next morning which is the day of the Passover he was condemned and crucified. The following verses even show that Pilate was willing to release Jesus, the morning after he had been taken in to custody. It was still the Passover as we all know the Jews refused and Jesus was crucified.

(John 18:39) But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
(40) Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

Remember Mark (15:42) Joseph craved the body of Jesus the evening of the Passover. Now one can see that this was towards the end of the Passover.

[ozell]

3 DAYS & 3 NIGHTS

The scriptures show that Jesus was in the earth 3 days and 3 nights just as He had foretold.

In looking at the previous scriptures one should now have a better understanding, as to what took place. If one remembers Mary did not come to the grave site until the first day of the week which is Sunday.

(John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher,

And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. That's because Jesus went into His grave right before the end of the Passover or Wed. evening. The passing of the Passover brought in the Feast of the Unleavened Bread.

So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday Night, Thursday Day and Thursday Night, Friday Day and Friday Night, Saturday Day and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.


In summation I am sure there will remain those who feel that there is nothing wrong in observing Easter. Because they believe that it is the spirit in which one does something that is important. Again my purpose it not to antagonize nor to cast dispersions. It is only hopefully, to cause one, to carefully examine the doctrine and practices, which they are following.

And by researching the scriptures one can ensure, that their doctrine lines up with the word of God. And having said that, Jesus told us to worship in spirit and the Lord gave everyone specific instructions how to do that. Those instructions are contained in the Holy Bible, for it contains the word of God.

And if any one follows a doctrine or operates in a spirit that is contrary to the scriptures, then they know with a certainty, that the doctrine and spirit they are following, are contrary to God.

In I John (4:1) it tells you to try the spirits. How does one try the spirits? Again judge any and all by the word of God. By operating in the so called spirit of things people worship God in ways, that can not be supported or substantiated, by the bible.

And they do this while still not observing God's commandments. Observing the Passover is a commandment from God Leviticus (23:5).

People world wide observe so called religious holidays in the name of Christ, and none of these are supported by the bible. This lesson hopefully showed that one of them Easter, is no more than a tradition established by man.

Again try the spirits, for if one can follow practices not supported by the bible, yet not do what is written in scripture they are operating under a strong spirit. And that spirit is usurping the word of God.

[Tavita]

Hi ozell,

I would like to offer a different perspective to think about. These excerpts come from an online book called the Law of the Second Coming...

http://www.gods-kingdom.org/SecondComing/Chap1.htm#Jesus%20Crucified%20at%20Passover

"Exodus 12:22 And you shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning.
This law settles the question men have had about the timing of the last supper that Jesus ate with the disciples. There are some who teach that the Last Supper, which Jesus ate with His disciples, was the Passover meal and was eaten on the night of Abib 14 after all the lambs had been killed. That view teaches that Jesus was crucified the following day, Abib 15. This view is based on Jesus' statement in Luke 22:15, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer." It was, indeed, a Passover meal, but it could only have been eaten on the evening after Abib 13, because after this meal, they sang a hymn and then went outside to the Mount of Olives (Mark 14:26), where Jesus was arrested. If they had eaten the Passover meal on the night after Abib 14, it would have been unlawful for them to leave the house.
Edersheim tells us in The Temple, page 213, that "at the first Passover it was said, 'None of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning,' which did not apply to later times." This law perhaps did not apply insofar as the rabbinic traditions were concerned. One cannot easily dispute with so great an authority as Edersheim. Hence, it was probably a common practice for people to be outside their houses on the evening of Passover. However, the real question here is whether Jesus fulfilled the law in its every detail in regard to Passover. We do not believe that Jesus would have given credence to the rabbinic traditions that were in violation of Exodus 12:22, especially in view of the fact that this Passover had to be fulfilled precisely in accordance to biblical law.
Therefore, we must conclude that the Last Supper and Jesus' subsequent arrest took place on Thursday evening, the beginning of Abib 14 (as the Hebrews reckoned days). His trial took place that same night, and He was crucified in the morning or at noon.
Jesus was put on trial that same night in front of the Sanhedrin. The following day Jesus was crucified. Mark 15:25 says, "And it was the third hour when they crucified Him," perhaps, when Pilate sentenced Him to be crucified. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, wrote some decades later that Pilate sentenced Jesus to death at the third hour of the day, but that Jesus was actually put on the cross at the sixth hour, that is, at noon. The third hour of the day was about 9:00 a.m., which was the time of the morning sacrifice in the temple."






"In 33 A.D. Abib 14 fell on a Friday, and the day of Passover fell on Abib 15, which was also the weekly Sabbath that year. Therefore, the wave-sheaf offering fell on Sunday, Abib 16. It met the requirements of both the Pharisees and the Sadducees that year. This was convenient for them, but unfortunate for us, because Jesus' resurrection on that day did not settle the legal dispute or tell us which sabbath was indicated in the law.
In the early Church, Ignatius, bishop of Antioch and a disciple of John the revelator, wrote a number of letters that give us some useful information on this subject. In chapter nine of his letter to the Trallians, he writes,
"On the day of the preparation [Friday], then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath [Saturday], He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's Day [Sunday] He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, 'As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection."
From this we see that Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, and a Jewish Christian, saw no contradiction in the fact that Jesus was raised on the third day from His crucifixion, rather than after 72 hours that comprise a literal three days and three nights. He may have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom meaning continuous time that would never contradict the many other places where Jesus said that He would be raised on the third day. Lamsa says in his Idioms in the Bible Explained, page 46, that in the East those who are "in difficulties and a dilemma" are said to be "in the belly of the whale." It is a Hebrew idiom, drawn, no doubt, from the story of Jonah.
In English, the equivalent of this idiom is to be "in a pickle" or "in a jam." From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead. This also occurred "in the heart of the earth," for to the Hebrew people, Jerusalem was considered to be the center, or heart of the earth. Hence, we could say that, like Jonah, Jesus was in a stressful situation for three days and three nights in Jerusalem, the heart of the earth.
Ignatius was reputed to have been the child whom Jesus set forth in the midst of His disciples in Matthew 18:2 as an example of how one must become as a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven. While some think this to be mythical, all historians recognize that Ignatius was born about 30 A.D. and, as a child, met Jesus personally. In fact, he tells us specifically that he had personally met Jesus in his letter to the Church of Smyrna, Chapter 3. Jerome, who translated his letter into Latin some centuries later quotes him:
"In this last he [Ignatius] bore witness to the Gospel which I have recently translated, in respect of the person of Christ, saying, 'I indeed saw him in the flesh after the resurrection, and I believe that he is'."
Thus, Ignatius was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ not only before His crucifixion, but also after He had been raised from the dead. Though young, he was one of the 500 or so people who saw Him after His resurrection (1 Cor. 15:6). He later became a disciple of John, whom Jesus loved, and eventually he died as a martyr in 107 A.D. It is highly doubtful, then, that Ignatius would have been mistaken in regard to the date and timing of Jesus' death and resurrection."

[ozell]

Hi ozell,

I would like to offer a different perspective to think about. These excerpts come from an online book called the Law of the Second Coming...

http://www.gods-kingdom.org/SecondComing/Chap1.htm#Jesus%20Crucified%20at%20Passover

"Exodus 12:22 And you shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning.
This law settles the question men have had about the timing of the last supper that Jesus ate with the disciples. There are some who teach that the Last Supper, which Jesus ate with His disciples, was the Passover meal and was eaten on the night of Abib 14 after all the lambs had been killed. That view teaches that Jesus was crucified the following day, Abib 15. This view is based on Jesus' statement in Luke 22:15, "I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer." It was, indeed, a Passover meal, but it could only have been eaten on the evening after Abib 13, because after this meal, they sang a hymn and then went outside to the Mount of Olives (Mark 14:26), where Jesus was arrested. If they had eaten the Passover meal on the night after Abib 14, it would have been unlawful for them to leave the house.
Edersheim tells us in The Temple, page 213, that "at the first Passover it was said, 'None of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning,' which did not apply to later times." This law perhaps did not apply insofar as the rabbinic traditions were concerned. One cannot easily dispute with so great an authority as Edersheim. Hence, it was probably a common practice for people to be outside their houses on the evening of Passover. However, the real question here is whether Jesus fulfilled the law in its every detail in regard to Passover. We do not believe that Jesus would have given credence to the rabbinic traditions that were in violation of Exodus 12:22, especially in view of the fact that this Passover had to be fulfilled precisely in accordance to biblical law.
Therefore, we must conclude that the Last Supper and Jesus' subsequent arrest took place on Thursday evening, the beginning of Abib 14 (as the Hebrews reckoned days). His trial took place that same night, and He was crucified in the morning or at noon.
Jesus was put on trial that same night in front of the Sanhedrin. The following day Jesus was crucified. Mark 15:25 says, "And it was the third hour when they crucified Him," perhaps, when Pilate sentenced Him to be crucified. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, wrote some decades later that Pilate sentenced Jesus to death at the third hour of the day, but that Jesus was actually put on the cross at the sixth hour, that is, at noon. The third hour of the day was about 9:00 a.m., which was the time of the morning sacrifice in the temple."






"In 33 A.D. Abib 14 fell on a Friday, and the day of Passover fell on Abib 15, which was also the weekly Sabbath that year. Therefore, the wave-sheaf offering fell on Sunday, Abib 16. It met the requirements of both the Pharisees and the Sadducees that year. This was convenient for them, but unfortunate for us, because Jesus' resurrection on that day did not settle the legal dispute or tell us which sabbath was indicated in the law.
In the early Church, Ignatius, bishop of Antioch and a disciple of John the revelator, wrote a number of letters that give us some useful information on this subject. In chapter nine of his letter to the Trallians, he writes,
"On the day of the preparation [Friday], then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath [Saturday], He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's Day [Sunday] He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, 'As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection."
From this we see that Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, and a Jewish Christian, saw no contradiction in the fact that Jesus was raised on the third day from His crucifixion, rather than after 72 hours that comprise a literal three days and three nights. He may have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom meaning continuous time that would never contradict the many other places where Jesus said that He would be raised on the third day. Lamsa says in his Idioms in the Bible Explained, page 46, that in the East those who are "in difficulties and a dilemma" are said to be "in the belly of the whale." It is a Hebrew idiom, drawn, no doubt, from the story of Jonah.
In English, the equivalent of this idiom is to be "in a pickle" or "in a jam." From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead. This also occurred "in the heart of the earth," for to the Hebrew people, Jerusalem was considered to be the center, or heart of the earth. Hence, we could say that, like Jonah, Jesus was in a stressful situation for three days and three nights in Jerusalem, the heart of the earth.
Ignatius was reputed to have been the child whom Jesus set forth in the midst of His disciples in Matthew 18:2 as an example of how one must become as a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven. While some think this to be mythical, all historians recognize that Ignatius was born about 30 A.D. and, as a child, met Jesus personally. In fact, he tells us specifically that he had personally met Jesus in his letter to the Church of Smyrna, Chapter 3. Jerome, who translated his letter into Latin some centuries later quotes him:
"In this last he [Ignatius] bore witness to the Gospel which I have recently translated, in respect of the person of Christ, saying, 'I indeed saw him in the flesh after the resurrection, and I believe that he is'."
Thus, Ignatius was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ not only before His crucifixion, but also after He had been raised from the dead. Though young, he was one of the 500 or so people who saw Him after His resurrection (1 Cor. 15:6). He later became a disciple of John, whom Jesus loved, and eventually he died as a martyr in 107 A.D. It is highly doubtful, then, that Ignatius would have been mistaken in regard to the date and timing of Jesus' death and resurrection."


St Ignatious was Catholic?

Paul warned the Romans about trying to take over from the natural branch.

take a look at this

Jesus said search the scriptures

Jn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

now Lets look at the scriptures concerning Jesus death

Dan12v25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

When the Messiah died in the mist of the week
animal sacrifice ceased.

now lets go to the NT to confirm

Mt 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;


what was the purpose of the veil in the temple?

animal sacrifice

Jesus was killed in the midst of the week.

he rose 3 days later which is saturday nite.

how do I know this.

Mt28v1: In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2: And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3: His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5: And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6: He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

at the end of the sabbath(saturday) Jesus was gone

[Eccl12and13]

Are you kidding me? I don't even know where to start, but here goes:

"Ignatius was reputed to have been the child whom Jesus set forth in the midst of His disciples in Matthew 18:2 as an example of how one must become as a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven. While some think this to be mythical, all historians recognize that Ignatius was born about 30 A.D. and, as a child, met Jesus personally. In fact, he tells us specifically that he had personally met Jesus in his letter to the Church of Smyrna, Chapter 3. Jerome, who translated his letter into Latin some centuries later quotes him:"


Now I am no way saying this is not possible, but let's just do an experiment. I would have you ask any 4yr old to 99 yr old who they met when they were 3yrs old and see what the answer would be! Right.....!



Next,

""On the day of the preparation [Friday], then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath [Saturday], He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's Day [Sunday] He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, 'As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection."


Now according to Jesus how many hours are in a day? Let's see what our Lord has to say


John 11;

[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Now let us reason together, if there are 12hrs in (1) day there must also be 12hrs in (1) night.


And yes Jesus did say;

Matt 12;

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


So according to Jesus there must be, at least (3) 12hr day periods and (3) 12 hr night periods, that must pass in order for His words to be true.


(12+12+12) or (3) 12hr day periods + (12+12+12) or (3) 12hr night periods = 72hrs.


Now if this statement is true, and we know it is;

Matt 27;

[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

How can anyone possibly get 72hrs from the evening before the Sabbath to the dawn of the 1st day of the week?

That is not possible with anyones math!!!


Let's stop trying to make what man has given us fit the bible and just go with what the bible says. Three days and three nights is just that. If Jesus had said 1 and a half day He could have just as easily said that too. And if He did I would be preaching that, but He didn't, He said Three and Three and that is what must be preached!

Now by all means you don't have to go with it, the choice is yours. But this is what the Bibles says on matters such as this;

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I choose to take the Doctrine of the bible!

[Tavita]

Are you kidding me? I don't even know where to start, but here goes:

"Ignatius was reputed to have been the child whom Jesus set forth in the midst of His disciples in Matthew 18:2 as an example of how one must become as a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven. While some think this to be mythical, all historians recognize that Ignatius was born about 30 A.D. and, as a child, met Jesus personally. In fact, he tells us specifically that he had personally met Jesus in his letter to the Church of Smyrna, Chapter 3. Jerome, who translated his letter into Latin some centuries later quotes him:"


Now I am no way saying this is not possible, but let's just do an experiment. I would have you ask any 4yr old to 99 yr old who they met when they were 3yrs old and see what the answer would be! Right.....!



Next,

""On the day of the preparation [Friday], then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath [Saturday], He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathea had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord's Day [Sunday] He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, 'As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord's Day contains the resurrection."


Now according to Jesus how many hours are in a day? Let's see what our Lord has to say


John 11;

[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Now let us reason together, if there are 12hrs in (1) day there must also be 12hrs in (1) night.


And yes Jesus did say;

Matt 12;

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


So according to Jesus there must be, at least (3) 12hr day periods and (3) 12 hr night periods, that must pass in order for His words to be true.


(12+12+12) or (3) 12hr day periods + (12+12+12) or (3) 12hr night periods = 72hrs.


Now if this statement is true, and we know it is;

Matt 27;

[46] And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

How can anyone possibly get 72hrs from the evening before the Sabbath to the dawn of the 1st day of the week?

That is not possible with anyones math!!!


Let's stop trying to make what man has given us fit the bible and just go with what the bible says. Three days and three nights is just that. If Jesus had said 1 and a half day He could have just as easily said that too. And if He did I would be preaching that, but He didn't, He said Three and Three and that is what must be preached!

Now by all means you don't have to go with it, the choice is yours. But this is what the Bibles says on matters such as this;

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I choose to take the Doctrine of the bible!


Did you read all my post or just some of it.

Three days and three nights is an 'idiom'..

From this we see that Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, and a Jewish Christian, saw no contradiction in the fact that Jesus was raised on the third day from His crucifixion, rather than after 72 hours that comprise a literal three days and three nights. He may have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom meaning continuous time that would never contradict the many other places where Jesus said that He would be raised on the third day. Lamsa says in his Idioms in the Bible Explained, page 46, that in the East those who are "in difficulties and a dilemma" are said to be "in the belly of the whale." It is a Hebrew idiom, drawn, no doubt, from the story of Jonah.
In English, the equivalent of this idiom is to be "in a pickle" or "in a jam." From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead. This also occurred "in the heart of the earth," for to the Hebrew people, Jerusalem was considered to be the center, or heart of the earth. Hence, we could say that, like Jonah, Jesus was in a stressful situation for three days and three nights in Jerusalem, the heart of the earth.

Ignatius was a Hebrew believer who had been taught of the Apostle John.

If you are so intent on keeping His commandments and doing exactly as the bible says then you ought to be finding out what the Jewish idioms of the day were. And if you want to have an Hebraic mindset then learn how that mindset sees things.

[Eccl12and13]

Did you read all my post or just some of it.

Three days and three nights is an 'idiom'..

From this we see that Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, and a Jewish Christian, saw no contradiction in the fact that Jesus was raised on the third day from His crucifixion, rather than after 72 hours that comprise a literal three days and three nights. He may have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom meaning continuous time that would never contradict the many other places where Jesus said that He would be raised on the third day. Lamsa says in his Idioms in the Bible Explained, page 46, that in the East those who are "in difficulties and a dilemma" are said to be "in the belly of the whale." It is a Hebrew idiom, drawn, no doubt, from the story of Jonah.
In English, the equivalent of this idiom is to be "in a pickle" or "in a jam." From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead. This also occurred "in the heart of the earth," for to the Hebrew people, Jerusalem was considered to be the center, or heart of the earth. Hence, we could say that, like Jonah, Jesus was in a stressful situation for three days and three nights in Jerusalem, the heart of the earth.

Ignatius was a Hebrew believer who had been taught of the Apostle John.

If you are so intent on keeping His commandments and doing exactly as the bible says then you ought to be finding out what the Jewish idioms of the day were. And if you want to have an Hebraic mindset then learn how that mindset sees things.




No.....did you read all of mine?

I don't know or care what an idiom is! Let's just go with what JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAID!!!


(1) Are you denying that Jesus said there are 12 hours in a day?

John 11;

[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.



(2) Are you denying that, JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAID,at a minimun, He would be in the grave for (3) days?

Matt 12;

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.



(3) Are you denying ALL of our doctrine in to come from the WORD OF GOD?

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



Let's look at the Doctrine you are trying to sell me;


Am I to believe St. Ignatius who was, "... REPUTED to have been the child whom Jesus set forth in the midst of His disciples..." and "...He MAY have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom meaning continuous time..."?

He, MAY have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom? Is this all you have? A hunch? Are you kidding me? He was REPUTED to be the child!!! Don't you know?


And talk about a stretch with this one,

"Lamsa says in his Idioms in the Bible Explained, page 46, that in the East those who are "in difficulties and a dilemma" are said to be "in the belly of the whale." It is a Hebrew idiom, drawn, no doubt, from the story of Jonah.
In English, the equivalent of this idiom is to be "in a pickle" or "in a jam." From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead. This also occurred "in the heart of the earth," for to the Hebrew people, Jerusalem was considered to be the center, or heart of the earth. Hence, we could say that, like Jonah, Jesus was in a stressful situation for three days and three nights in Jerusalem, the heart of the earth.


Try as you may you STILL can't get even this wild theroy to work;

"From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead.

"...for three nights and PART of the third day."




Now let's look at the FACTS FROM THE WORD OF GOD!!!

Let's look at what the creator of the world said,


"Are there not twelve hours in the day?, "so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

To this very day there are still 24hrs in (1) day!

Now whose Doctrine do YOU want to believe?


Well I will say you at least got one thing correct;"While some think this to be mythical..." Yes I'm sure some will agree that all of this is indeed MYTHICAL or Fables as Paul calls them.

Once again did you read my entire post?

Let's stop trying to make what man has given us fit the bible and just go with what the bible says.

JESUS said (3) days and (3) nights! What's wrong with that? Should I believe man or God?

I think you know my answer!!!

[Tavita]

No.....did you read all of mine?

I don't know or care what an idiom is! Let's just go with what JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAID!!!


(1) Are you denying that Jesus said there are 12 hours in a day?

John 11;

[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.



(2) Are you denying that, JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAID,at a minimun, He would be in the grave for (3) days?

Matt 12;

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.



(3) Are you denying ALL of our doctrine in to come from the WORD OF GOD?

2Tim.3

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



Let's look at the Doctrine you are trying to sell me;


Am I to believe St. Ignatius who was, "... REPUTED to have been the child whom Jesus set forth in the midst of His disciples..." and "...He MAY have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom meaning continuous time..."?

He, MAY have understood three days and three nights to be a Hebrew idiom? Is this all you have? A hunch? Are you kidding me? He was REPUTED to be the child!!! Don't you know?


And talk about a stretch with this one,

"Lamsa says in his Idioms in the Bible Explained, page 46, that in the East those who are "in difficulties and a dilemma" are said to be "in the belly of the whale." It is a Hebrew idiom, drawn, no doubt, from the story of Jonah.
In English, the equivalent of this idiom is to be "in a pickle" or "in a jam." From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead. This also occurred "in the heart of the earth," for to the Hebrew people, Jerusalem was considered to be the center, or heart of the earth. Hence, we could say that, like Jonah, Jesus was in a stressful situation for three days and three nights in Jerusalem, the heart of the earth.


Try as you may you STILL can't get even this wild theroy to work;

"From the time Jesus was in the garden, where He was arrested, Jesus was "in the belly of the whale" for three nights and part of the third day when He was raised from the dead.

"...for three nights and PART of the third day."




Now let's look at the FACTS FROM THE WORD OF GOD!!!

Let's look at what the creator of the world said,


"Are there not twelve hours in the day?, "so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

To this very day there are still 24hrs in (1) day!

Now whose Doctrine do YOU want to believe?


Well I will say you at least got one thing correct;"While some think this to be mythical..." Yes I'm sure some will agree that all of this is indeed MYTHICAL or Fables as Paul calls them.

Once again did you read my entire post?

Let's stop trying to make what man has given us fit the bible and just go with what the bible says.

JESUS said (3) days and (3) nights! What's wrong with that? Should I believe man or God?

I think you know my answer!!!


Wow, get a grip on yourself. I'm sorry you get so upset over someone putting another perspective forward. And that's all my intention was, read my first post.

Makes me think I have touched on some deep issue that hurts.

There is no use posting in this thread any longer for me.. yes, you can take it as a cop out and take it that you've 'won'. It's obvious that nothing anyone else says is anywhere near the truth you have.

adios