Dumb question!

[Alpine]

Dumb question here. (I know I deserve dumb answers then) ;)


What's the point of this forum if anyone can post here? I made my thread on anger and it's full of posts by people who frequent the wof subforum.

I should of just made it in the regular forum. (scratches head)

I'm kinda confused! :scratch:

[simpleone]

Maybe...but it probably help to get input from the folks who are allegedly angry... to get a better understanding and maybe come to a peaceful resolution?...so there is no bitterness or misunderstanding of any sort :) ...just my thoughts...

[Tamara224]

I don't know. We tried to be inclusive so as not to offend anyone. We tried to make it about doctrine not people. So we invite fellowship posts from anyone at all.

Maybe we need to change or add to our rules to more closely match what we want.

All I know is I'm sick of trying to reason with people about this issue.

But I agree. There is no point to this forum if anyone we disagree with can come and combat us all the time over it.

[jeolmstead]

I don't know. We tried to be inclusive so as not to offend anyone. We tried to make it about doctrine not people. So we invite fellowship posts from anyone at all.

Maybe we need to change or add to our rules to more closely match what we want.

All I know is I'm sick of trying to reason with people about this issue.

But I agree. There is no point to this forum if anyone we disagree with can come and combat us all the time over it.
I don’t get it either…..

But apparently it’s the fault of a “few obnoxious non-WOF posters” who live on this site and cause problems.

John O.

[Tamara224]

I don’t get it either…..

But apparently it’s the fault of a “few obnoxious non-WOF posters” who live on this site and cause problems.

John O.


:hug: Well, I guess we could always take the tack that we must be doing something right to have so much opposition. ^_^

[jeolmstead]

Its like someone kicks open the door of your house and rushed in.

You scream,

The intruder begins to find fault with your décor.
He starts to verbally abuse you.

Fortunately (for you) The neighborhood policeman is passing by.

He comes inside, but to your surprise he browbeats you for not welcoming in the intruder. He tells you are narrow minded and bigoted for having a door on your house.

Soon both he are the intruder agree to forgive you for being unreasonable provided that you will create a room for the intruder and all his friends to come and go as they please

Sounds like a deal to me……


John O.

[Tamara224]

Its like someone kicks open the door of your house and rushed in.

You scream,

The intruder begins to find fault with your décor.
He starts to verbally abuse you.

Fortunately (for you) The neighborhood policeman is passing by.

He comes inside, but to your surprise he browbeats you for not welcoming in the intruder. He tells you are narrow minded and bigoted for having a door on your house.

Soon both he are the intruder agree to forgive you for being unreasonable provided that you will create a room for the intruder and all his friends to come and go as they please

Sounds like a deal to me……


John O.


It certainly feels that way. Good analogy.

[Trish1947]

Dumb question here. (I know I deserve dumb answers then) ;)


What's the point of this forum if anyone can post here? I made my thread on anger and it's full of posts by people who frequent the wof subforum.

I should of just made it in the regular forum. (scratches head)

I'm kinda confused! :scratch:
Umm...I've always thought it was the best policy if you want to know something, like why someone is angry, is to ask the person you feel is angry. Any other person answering this question for someone else, is nothing but opinion, supposition, and inuendo. Really I thought I qualifed to answer the question, even if it was posted in an area where it's not normally allowed. I never did like middle mens opinions about what another persons heart feels. The source is always a good place to start. It eliminates a whole lot of mis-understandings.

[simpleone]

Umm...I've always thought it was the best policy if you want to know something, like why someone is angry, it to ask the person you feel is angry. Any other person answering this question for someone else, is nothing but opinion, supposition, and inuendo. Really I thought I qualifed to answer the question, even if it was posted in an area where it's not normally allowed. I never did like middle mens opinions about what another persons heart feels. The source is always a good place to start. It eliminates a whole lot of mis-understandings.

This post makes a lot of sense :thumbsup:

[probinson]

Its like someone kicks open the door of your house and rushed in.

You scream,

The intruder begins to find fault with your décor.
He starts to verbally abuse you.

Fortunately (for you) The neighborhood policeman is passing by.

He comes inside, but to your surprise he browbeats you for not welcoming in the intruder. He tells you are narrow minded and bigoted for having a door on your house.

Soon both he are the intruder agree to forgive you for being unreasonable provided that you will create a room for the intruder and all his friends to come and go as they please

Sounds like a deal to me……

Here is the post exchange that I believe may have inspired in this wonderful analogy. :sigh:
http://foru.ms/t6116263&page=5

To summarize, I (the police?) said that there were a "few obnoxious vocal posters" spoiling the whole bunch. I then proceeded to say that we should ALL (myself included) walk in God's Love, even towards those that aren't reciprocating that Love to us, and freely admitted that I personally fall short in this area and said I would try to do better.

I then proceeded to say that there were also a "very small but vocal minority of WoF posters that is obnoxious and anti-nonWoF", and stated that ALL of us should strive to do better.

After that, I apologized if my first post came across wrong, because I should not have singled out just the non-WoF posters in that post, and suggested that we all try to do something about it.

I suggested that we create a single thread in both the WoF and non-WoF forum specifically designed, "to share testimonies, fellowship, have fun, get to know each other better, sharing in what the Lord has done for us, and we start to fellowship with each other in an attempt to tear down some walls", not for "browbeating" each other. I equated it to each of us inviting the other over for a cup of tea, in an attempt to tear down some walls, not creating "a room for the intruder and all his friends to come and go as they please."

Now, perhaps my idea could use some tweaking, and do feel free to add your suggestion, but my intent was to find ways that we can begin to fellowship with ONE ANOTHER and tear down the walls that separate us.

[jeolmstead]

Here is the post exchange that I believe may have inspired in this wonderful analogy. :sigh:
http://foru.ms/t6116263&page=5

To summarize, I (the police?) said that there were a "few obnoxious vocal posters" spoiling the whole bunch. I then proceeded to say that we should ALL (myself included) walk in God's Love, even towards those that aren't reciprocating that Love to us, and freely admitted that I personally fall short in this area and said I would try to do better.

I then proceeded to say that there were also a "very small but vocal minority of WoF posters that is obnoxious and anti-nonWoF", and stated that ALL of us should strive to do better.

After that, I apologized if my first post came across wrong, because I should not have singled out just the non-WoF posters in that post, and suggested that we all try to do something about it.

I suggested that we create a single thread in both the WoF and non-WoF forum specifically designed, "to share testimonies, fellowship, have fun, get to know each other better, sharing in what the Lord has done for us, and we start to fellowship with each other in an attempt to tear down some walls", not for "browbeating" each other. I equated it to each of us inviting the other over for a cup of tea, in an attempt to tear down some walls, not creating "a room for the intruder and all his friends to come and go as they please."

Now, perhaps my idea could use some tweaking, and do feel free to add your suggestion, but my intent was to find ways that we can begin to fellowship with ONE ANOTHER and tear down the walls that separate us.
I appreciate that Pete. I know your heart is in the right place. I too would like for everyone to fellowship and get along. I thought that was the point of having this sub-forum.

I know that some of what I believe is offensive to some of the other camp. I do not wish to subject them to it. I try not to be controversial in the main forum. I do however like to have the freedom to express my views here without being attacked by people who are apparently seeking only a confrontation.

In my mind your idea recreates the main forum environment here and I don’t really see the purpose.

I do not resent the WOF sub form and I respect those on it by not expressing views I know would violate their doctrinal position. Is it too much to ask for the same consideration?

All week we have been berated and attacked in the main forum and here. I do feel like my door has been kicked in. Some people have taken offence at our name when none was given and they feel the need to come here and express that.

If you want to create a shared place you have my blessing. I’ll do my best to support you in this endeavor as well as the other Mods and the CF leadership in general.

Frankly, I appreciate the effort that goes into this forum and those people trying to get a handle on it.

God Bless

John O.

[probinson]

I appreciate that Pete. I know your heart is in the right place. I too would like for everyone to fellowship and get along. I thought that was the point of having this sub-forum.
And you would be correct. I am a firm believer that we all need to have like-minded fellowship. That is why I supported the creation of this forum.

I know that some of what I believe is offensive to some of the other camp. I do not wish to subject them to it. I try not to be controversial in the main forum. I do however like to have the freedom to express my views here without being attacked by people who are apparently seeking only a confrontation.
And, so long as no rules are violated, I support your right to express your views.

In my mind your idea recreates the main forum environment here and I don’t really see the purpose.
Well, let me try to explain better then. There is a serious hotbed of contention between WoF and non-WoF. The idea is to create a place (a single thread) in each forum specifically for the purpose of helping us tear down walls. It would be symbolic, in that we were "inviting" one another to come over and fellowship as a guest in the other's home.

Much like I wouldn't expect a guest in my home to come in and attack me, I would expect the same in both of these threads. But we would have a heightened awareness, that we are supposed to be conducting ourselves like guests in the other's home. I believe it would help us to fellowship with one another peaceably, in that we could talk about what we DO agree on, we could ask how the kids are, we could get to know one another better and show forth God's Love that is in each and everyone of us. That's my thought process.

I do not resent the WOF sub form and I respect those on it by not expressing views I know would violate their doctrinal position. Is it too much to ask for the same consideration?
Not at all, and that's not the purpose of these 2 new threads I've suggested. The purpose is to begin to fellowship with one another, not to have more doctrinal debates.

All week we have been berated and attacked in the main forum and here. I do feel like my door has been kicked in. Some people have taken offence at our name when done was given and they feel the need to come here and express that.
I understand this, and please understand that the staff is currently working on a solution. The nature of how the system is set up here means that these things take time, but we are trying to come to a more permanent resolution as we speak.

If you want to create a shared place you have my blessing. I’ll do my best to support you in this endeavor as well as the other Mods and the CF leadership in general.

Frankly, I appreciate the effort that goes into this forum and those people trying to get a handle on it.

Thank you, John. It's just a suggestion, and like I said, I'm open to anyone else's thoughts or suggestions. I just think we all need to learn how to Love one another and fellowship with each other. This was just my thought on how we could start to do this.

[JAS4Yeshua]

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[geetrue]

And you would be correct. I am a firm believer that we all need to have like-minded fellowship. That is why I supported the creation of this forum.

And, so long as no rules are violated, I support your right to express your views.

Well, let me try to explain better then. There is a serious hotbed of contention between WoF and non-WoF. The idea is to create a place (a single thread) in each forum specifically for the purpose of helping us tear down walls. It would be symbolic, in that we were "inviting" one another to come over and fellowship as a guest in the other's home.

Much like I wouldn't expect a guest in my home to come in and attack me, I would expect the same in both of these threads. But we would have a heightened awareness, that we are supposed to be conducting ourselves like guests in the other's home. I believe it would help us to fellowship with one another peaceably, in that we could talk about what we DO agree on, we could ask how the kids are, we could get to know one another better and show forth God's Love that is in each and everyone of us. That's my thought process.

Not at all, and that's not the purpose of these 2 new threads I've suggested. The purpose is to begin to fellowship with one another, not to have more doctrinal debates.

I understand this, and please understand that the staff is currently working on a solution. The nature of how the system is set up here means that these things take time, but we are trying to come to a more permanent resolution as we speak.

Thank you, John. It's just a suggestion, and like I said, I'm open to anyone else's thoughts or suggestions. I just think we all need to learn how to Love one another and fellowship with each other. This was just my thought on how we could start to do this.

I like this suggestion ... I made one similar to this several weeks ago and it was not well accepted at that time.

We need to find some common ground and not repeat the same mistakes.

I know let's make it a sticky in WOF and Charismatic non-WOF ...

Flaglady said that Erwin said that, "No one reads stickies"


Something Jesus said comes to mind. This was when he was accused of having a demon ... something about a house divided will fall.

I'll go look it up