Satanism in the forum

[GreenMunchkin]

Have seen so many Christians saying it's fine, my guage is starting to go off-kilter. What are your thoughts on Satanism? What are your thoughts on Satanism being allowed a place here?

Do you distinguish between Satanism and religions that are simply non-Christian? Islam and Buddhism, for example.

I don't want us to discuss the theology of it, AT ALL, but I really would like your thoughts on it all, cos aside from a few CC members speaking against it, it's been pretty brutal and relentless and am starting to lose focus and perspective. So what are your thoughts, please?

[NewGuy101]

Eh, I don't seem a problem with it since it fits the sites plataform. Vampires are next on the CF welcome list.

[Criada]

No!

No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
No.

[woobadooba]

We are to cast demons out, not entertain them.

See 2Cor. 10:3-6

Don't let them deceive you into believing that their world-view is innocent, and that Satan has nothing to do with it. For, he is at the very heart of their abominable philosophy, and laughs at them as they try to ignore the fact that he is there.

[NewGuy101]

You guys can't seem to get your minds around the fact that this isn't a Christian website.

[woobadooba]

You guys can't seem to get your minds around the fact that this isn't a Christian website.

I've been trying to tell people this even before the changes were made.

[HowardDean]

hi friend wooba!:hug:

Hon (all of you) theres one right now in another forum trying to convince me I should love satan and if I don't, I am pro genocide!
I'm not deceived enough to love satan, just as if a flat earther were to try and convince me, I can't, I know the truth.
The only purpose for satanists on this board is to deceive and get our eyes off of Jesus, in Whom there is all truth.

[GreenMunchkin]

Eh, I don't seem a problem with it since it fits the sites plataform. Vampires are next on the CF welcome list.Julio, am not asking you to help the forum, am asking you to help me. Ok? I really need some help and advice. Forget the state of the forum, for a second. Please?

[woobadooba]

OK, we had a similar problem in the SDA forum. There is a general website rule that forbids the activity of Satanic Proselytization and glorification. Report all posts that Foster such an element to Erwin, Letalis, and the moderators of the forum where this takes place.

Action was taken against this in our forum, and I am sure it will be taken in other forums.

[HowardDean]

This is in deliverance ministry. A guy who recently came out as one.

By the way, am I okay to post here? I am a conservative in my beliefs christian, but a political lefty.(One of a kind)

[GreenMunchkin]

Woob, it's been going on for nigh on 4 days incessantly, reports, wikis, discussion, prayer, arguments... it's unbelievable. We're having to wiki that Satanism has no place here, and people are disagreeing. Erwin knows about it and won't do anything. Most of the people discussing it seem to feel "Be nice to the Satanist... otherwise it's just rude!" Someone - a pastor, apparently - called him a "breath of fresh air".

But it's literally all I've been doing here for a few days, so my perspective is way off. Funny thing is, the Satanist in question comes across as a very lovely guy, funny, clever, talks about empathising with us a lot, so he means well, even though he's deceived, but at some point is it right to just stop arguing it and let go?

Or is this as important as it feels? It was a spiritual battle for a couple of nights, and it's less intense now, but that doesn't mean the issue has disappeared. Weary of it, man. Ugh.

[woobadooba]

hi friend wooba!:hug:

Hon (all of you) theres one right now in another forum trying to convince me I should love satan and if I don't, I am pro genocide!
I'm not deceived enough to love satan, just as if a flat earther were to try and convince me, I can't, I know the truth.
The only purpose for satanists on this board is to deceive and get our eyes off of Jesus, in Whom there is all truth.

This person that you are speaking of is trying to manipulate you. Just ignore him/her.

In reality, the argument is quite foolish, as Satan is the one that is pro-genocide, because he knows that he is headed for destruction, and is trying to take as many down with him as he can, including those that think he loves them. He totally despises these people, and uses them as pawns to carry out his wretched work.

[Criada]

Sweetie, your guage is about as on-kilter as it gets!
That's why you are so upset by this.
But - remember all you said to me last night.
It's an attack, sis - but it won't succeed, cos satan has already lost.
And you are surrounded by people who love you, and are holding you up.
And so many are praying for this forum - ultimately he doesn't stand a chance. It is still against the rules, you know. The link I reported yesterday was removed.
Love you, sis! :hug:

[NewGuy101]

Julio, am not asking you to help the forum, am asking you to help me. Ok? I really need some help and advice. Forget the state of the forum, for a second. Please?
Greeny what exactly do you need help with? I didn't see any of that in your op.

[HowardDean]

Erwin did pm me back about it (right quickly). It seems he thinks its good to have them here to be a witness. But their minds are closed.
If the shoe was on the other foot, the christian would be booted off the satanic board for sure.
I am asked to prove from the bible that satan doesn't love.
Someone else says he is so sexy.
Bah. Hum and bug.

[woobadooba]

Woob, it's been going on for nigh on 4 days incessantly, reports, wikis, discussion, prayer, arguments... it's unbelievable. We're having to wiki that Satanism has no place here, and people are disagreeing. Erwin knows about it and won't do anything. Most of the people discussing it seem to feel "Be nice to the Satanist... otherwise it's just rude!" Someone - a pastor, apparently - called him a "breath of fresh air".

But it's literally all I've been doing here for a few days, so my perspective is way off. Funny thing is, the Satanist in question comes across as a very lovely guy, funny, clever, talks about empathising with us a lot, so he means well, even though he's deceived, but at some point is it right to just stop arguing it and let go?

Or is this as important as it feels? It was a spiritual battle for a couple of nights, and it's less intense now, but that doesn't mean the issue has disappeared. Weary of it, man. Ugh.

There are several reasons why people who profess to be Christians support this:

1. They really don't know Christ
2. They are fearful of speaking against Satanists
3. They just don't care

I would encourage you to stand strong in your convictions against this, and where there are rules to abide by, make sure that these people do not break them. If they break them then take action against them.

Be prayerful! This is serious stuff! Many of these people are actually possessed by demons.

As for the cunning one that has managed to lure you in, I encourage you to stay away from him. Satan is a master manipulator. He prides himself on getting people to feel sorry for him. He then uses this as a means to get them to feel bad about speaking up against his abominations, and eventually causes people to doubt the validity of God's word.

Be very careful!

[GreenMunchkin]

Sweetie, your guage is about as on-kilter as it gets!
That's why you are so upset by this.
But - remember all you said to me last night.
It's an attack, sis - but it won't succeed, cos satan has already lost.
And you are surrounded by people who love you, and are holding you up.
And so many are praying for this forum - ultimately he doesn't stand a chance. It is still against the rules, you know. The link I reported yesterday was removed.
Love you, sis! :hug:It's not against the rules, my love. Other religions are allowed to prosyletise here now. Until we get the wiki done - and it's not looking good, due to the people disagreeing - Satanic prosyletising is also fine. There's a lovely loop-hole in "Hmm, ok, but what does 'prosyletising' really mean?"

Naw, it isn't about me, sis, I didn't mean to give that impression. Lisa has been there, too, and there have been a couple of CCers who have posted their thoughts, but it definitely feels like we're at a cross-road where either the forum can regain some semblance of Christianity, or it becomes a place where Satanic prosyletising and recruiting can occur freely. It's crazy. Isn't it? Is it? Am losing perspective!

Greeny what exactly do you need help with? I didn't see any of that in your op.Your thoughts on Satanism, please, bro. And - whether the forum is Christian or not - the idea of Satanism having a stronghold here. Is that ok? Not ok? VERY not ok?

[HowardDean]

I think, eventually the forum must fall to ir, and a mass exodus of christians who won't compromise will happen. I hope the powers that be will see then.

[NewGuy101]

Your thoughts on Satanism, please, bro. And - whether the forum is Christian or not - the idea of Satanism having a stronghold here. Is that ok? Not ok? VERY not ok? Greenie, you know I love you and I hope this doesn't seem mean since all you seem to get that out of my responses. But I told you my answer already. This place is a perverse strong hold, it's only going to get worse from here.

I don't get it, I thought the whole reason why everyone who wanted to stayed here was to "witness to people who are confused." Well Satanist are very confused, apply the same logic.

[twistedsketch]

There are different kinds of Satanists, many of which don't even believe in the devil. These are more akin to atheists with a more directly anti-Christian philosophy. Maybe mix a some witchcraft in there too. I frankly don't think that we should have subforums for ANY non-Christian faith.

[KarenJoy]

I woke this morning and the Holy Spirt reminded me of the following verse

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light and light for darkness
Isaiah 5:20

There is only Salvation in Jesus He is the One we should be loving, He died to save us We should be focusing our attention on Him because He is alone is worthy of our praise

[GreenMunchkin]

How about threads labelled things like "Adoration of Satan"?

Maranatha, Lord Jesus!

[bill16652]

It is evil and one of the reasons I cant call this a Christian board anymore. It has wonderful Christyians on it but the board itself is another story.

[DerSchweik]

The issue is disturbing, to say the least.

The forum needs to be open to discussion and study for the purposes of disseminating and promoting the truth - however some discpline is also necessary to counter the flagrant promotion of the Lie.

The overarching temptation is to censor such people, to prevent them from writing; however we must exercise extreme caution as this could put us in a position of judging thoughts and intentions. On the other hand, we can certainly judge specific actions, improper behaviors and these we can, and should censor or punish.

I think perhaps the wisest solution is not to respond.

Consider how Jesus responded to satan's temptations in the desert - three times satan chided Him, "If you are the Son of God..." and each time Jesus responded with Scripture, once. The fourth time satan tempted Jesus with something Jesus already possessed as the Son of God; again Jesus' singular response, Scripture. (Mt 4:1-11).

Before the high priest, false testimony was brought forth against Jesus, untruths about Him, lies. Jesus' response? "...Jesus kept silent." (Mt 26:63).

When finally Jesus was posed a truth about Him, He responded in the affirmative, "...you have said it yourself..." (Mt 26:64).

How then did Jesus respond?

When Scripture was twisted, He responded with Scripture to counter the twist - once.
When lies and false accusations were made against Him - He was silent.
When truth was spoken - He affirmed it.I don't see how we can do any better.

In Him,

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Erwin did pm me back about it (right quickly). It seems he thinks its good to have them here to be a witness. But their minds are closed.

Huh. You actually got a response from Erwin? Well, you must hold alot of clout because I got nothin. :|

I am very sick of being ignored. Makes me wonder if any of my votes even matter.

GM...you have fought well. :hug: It's disgusting to me that we have to fight at all for what SHOULD be obvious on this board. I don't want to see pentagrams, I don't want to see satanists, I don't want to see witches. And it's very distrurbing to read posts from someone who is demon possessed.

Do I want them to come to Christ and be set free of satan? Absolutely! But not at the expense of those who are weaker in their faith.

[HowardDean]

Amen.

[HowardDean]

How then did Jesus respond?

When Scripture was twisted, He responded with Scripture to counter the twist - once.
When lies and false accusations were made against Him - He was silent.
When truth was spoken - He affirmed it.I don't see how we can do any better.

In Him,
Very good!

[DerSchweik]

Very good!
I am very concerned that we give these "wolves in sheep's clothing," these "false prophets," these anti-christs, these petty pseudo-intellectuals a podium from which to spew their lies by responding to them repeatedly.

We should, at best, simply ignore them. And if they get abusive, in non-compliance with the site's rules and regulations for behavior, we should exercise the discipline to remove them.

Other than that, we need to ignore them and not respond to them. It is a strong urge to do otherwise, but it is not of the Lord to do so; we must stridently stifle that urge and just ignore...

For those among us who may be more mature in Christ, we must nurture those weaker in the faith, encourage and disciple them properly (as best as this venue will permit), in Christ's love. We must let them know they have brothers and sisters in Christ they can turn to when accused and attacked as they are by these wolves.

"By this will they know that you are my disciples, by the love you have for one another."

Amen? Amen.

In Him,

[woobadooba]

We should, at best, simply ignore them. And if they get abusive, in non-compliance with the site's rules and regulations for behavior, we should exercise the discipline to remove them.

Good idea

The best thing to do is to make the rules for each forum where they frequent more strict, to prevent things like this from happening.

Unfortunately, many of them have gained the sympathy of certain moderators that let the reports against them slide. These moderators should be dethroned, as they are clearly demonstrating that they don't have good judgment enough to take action against such people for the sake of protecting the young ones in the faith.

The rules need to be as clear as possible, to leave no room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation. I've noticed that obvious violations were deemed to be non-rule violations because certain moderators don't really understand the rules well enough to think things through properly. By making the rules more definitive they will have no excuse to not take action against such reports. This will also help in revealing which ones are playing 'favorites', thus making it easier to make an appeal to have them removed from their position of authority.

[Lisa0315]

This is in deliverance ministry. A guy who recently came out as one.

By the way, am I okay to post here? I am a conservative in my beliefs christian, but a political lefty.(One of a kind)

Technically, it is okay because we never closed this forum to members only. You are not allowed to vote or debate our rules here, but respectful comments are not disallowed. We have defined fellowship and debate if you want to go read our rules first. In fact, if you go read the rules, and you agree with all of it, you are more than welcome to become a member.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Well, if 4U has become the world, we are no worse off than we are in real life. We must be the light in the darkness. What we once saw as a sanctuary and place to fellowship, will now simply be as it is everywhere else. So, do not be discouraged. Put on your battle gear and do as the Lord leads you.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Lisa, go up to Support Reports... :doh: :(

[Hentenza]

Well guys, what a horrendous thread. I've been over at ministry reading through it and it is utterly disgusting. It amazes me that the ministry mods have not closed the thread for staff review given the amount of reports that is generating. It is obvious that there are posts within the thread not reported yet that break several site wide rules and ministry FSR's.

[MrJim]

Well, if 4U has become the world, we are no worse off than we are in real life. We must be the light in the darkness. What we once saw as a sanctuary and place to fellowship, will now simply be as it is everywhere else. So, do not be discouraged. Put on your battle gear and do as the Lord leads you.

Lisa

At least CC can be a sanctuary?

[Mickey1953]

Woob, it's been going on for nigh on 4 days incessantly, reports, wikis, discussion, prayer, arguments... it's unbelievable. We're having to wiki that Satanism has no place here, and people are disagreeing. Erwin knows about it and won't do anything. Most of the people discussing it seem to feel "Be nice to the Satanist... otherwise it's just rude!" Someone - a pastor, apparently - called him a "breath of fresh air".

But it's literally all I've been doing here for a few days, so my perspective is way off. Funny thing is, the Satanist in question comes across as a very lovely guy, funny, clever, talks about empathising with us a lot, so he means well, even though he's deceived, but at some point is it right to just stop arguing it and let go?

Or is this as important as it feels? It was a spiritual battle for a couple of nights, and it's less intense now, but that doesn't mean the issue has disappeared. Weary of it, man. Ugh.

Hi and I do understand the confusion.... I posted on the site you are referring to.... I do not know the line to draw.... what I shared was the following....

I am not sure all that has been written prior to the last few pages…
But I felt I should share.

I was lost. Real lost. I was not the kind of person that was wanted in a Christian Church. But, God wanted me there. I went making sure I did not look at any of the faces. I went with a sincere heart to know God. A special Christian woman named Thanna, very loving Christian woman – put her feet, hands, heart and prayers and walked into my muddy muck of my life and because of her love and Christian heart of loving me where I was at, I met the Jesus of the bible. Not through religion…. But through the name of Jesus - loving one that was unloveable... me.

Not many are called to do this. Not many can do this…but I am thankful for her; for because of her faith & love, all my children are saved and my life is healed because she sat with a sinner, as the God I believe in, sits with sinners still today...

As I said I would have been lost as far as I know if it were not for a solid, Christian woman, who could get past my exterior & sin..... I was not a Satanist. I was raised in a church and remembered what I was taught about him- Satan
But, I was not God's.....

There is scripture that says to help a person that is in sin - you have to be strong enough so you do not slip into it with them....
I will leave this without the scripture for now... and if anyone can help me with it, please.... I will keep searching for it.

What do you do on a forum to control this? I do not know. Do you turn away people, even Satanist? I do not know.... I just know there were not many willing to reach out to me and I needed Christ....I wanted Christ because this special lady shared who He was by how she patiently stayed with me... it was not easy....

Someone was concerned about children....I understand that... I work with children and many things are already directing them to a world away from God. My battle plan: stay firm in my beliefs, stay with the children, so they may know Him...Jesus Christ.

I found this information:

http://www.yutopian.com/religion/theology/Demons.html

"Thus the proper way to deliver a person from demon is to preach the gospel to him. By accepting the gospel, the Holy Spirit will dwell in the person and the demon, being less than God, has to flee.

For the same reason, Christians cannot be possessed by demons. But we can be oppressed by them. Therefore all Christians should take a decisive stand against Satan (James 4:7), and put on our armor (Ephesian 6:10-18) to protect ourselves. "

Another is:
http://www.gotquestions.org/authority-rebuke-devil.html


"It is not necessary for a Christian to rebuke Satan because God has given us His full armor to stand against evil (see Ephesians 6:10-18). The most effective weapons we have against the Devil are our faith, wisdom, and knowledge about God and His Word. Even Christ, when tempted by Satan, did not rebuke him but answered him with Scripture (see Matthew 4:1-11). To gain victory in spiritual matters, we must maintain a clear conscience and have control over our thoughts. "We are human, but we don't wage war with human plans and methods. We use God's mighty weapons, not mere worldly weapons, to knock down the Devil's strongholds. With these weapons we break down every proud argument that keeps people from knowing God. With these weapons we conquer their rebellious ideas, and we teach them to obey Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:3-5, NLT)."

I am not saying Satanism is okay. I was not okay. I am saying I needed the love of a Chrisitian believer to lead me to Jesus Christ....